Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 24

Propose merging Template:Marvel-Comics-trademark-copyright with Template:MarvelAni-trademark-copyright.
The "MarvelAni" copyright template adds an additional sentence for Marvel's various animation copyright needs, and as of this discussion, is only used to note on 11 files. The info of the "MarvelAni" template can be added to the "Marvel-Comics" template, and it also is helpful should any additional expansions be done, they can all just be coded to the "Marvel-Comics" template. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: As I recently updated the formatting for both of these templates and added some additional features, I think merging these would be a more adequate solution than having two split templates with one calling the other. I will note that this should also be done with merging {{DCAni-trademark-copyright}} into {{DC-Comics-trademark-copyright}}, as well, given they are quite similar in concept and have the same features. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FictionalItem

Template:FictionalItem (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Unclear purpose. DB1729^talk 15:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated Pac-12 navboxes

Template:Pac-12 Conference baseball coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference baseball venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference basketball venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference men's basketball coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference men's basketball statistical leaders navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference soccer venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference softball coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference softball venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference swimming venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference track venue navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference volleyball coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference women's basketball coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference women's soccer coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference women's soccer navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 Conference women's volleyball navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pac-12 women's gymnastics coach navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These navboxes have either one or two bluelinks. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 17:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 17:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. No objection to recreation if the Pac-12 gets revived with more teams-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chicago Boosters

Template:Chicago Boosters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with three blue links in the body, one of which links to the main subject. Note, the author has suggested this might be a candidate for deletion.[1] -- DB1729^talk 12:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gary Elks

Template:Gary Elks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with two blue links in the body, one of which is to the main subject. Note, the author has recommended this deletion in another TfD.[2] -- DB1729^talk 11:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Detailed Middle East topic

Template:Detailed Middle East topic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unsuccessful copy of Template:Middle East topic The Banner talk 09:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Banner, what do you mean by "unsuccessful copy"? MWQs (talk) 10:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, you make clear that it is a copy/fork from "Template:Middle East topic". Second, the template starts with "prefix= join= the Greater Middle East". The Banner talk 16:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Second, the "the template starts with "prefix= join= the Greater Middle East". The template displays instructions if people leave the variables blank. If the variables are properly filled in e.g. {{d Middle East topic| prefix = religion | join = in }} then it displays the topic pages for the regions. If that's not intuitive, I'm happy to change it? (compare first and last below) MWQs (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is that new error meagre more helpful? Or should it just say "The Greater Middle East"? I want it to give an error message because it takes the variables differently to the others templates that look similar. MWQs (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: First, you make clear that it is a copy/fork from "Template:Middle East topic". I used the {{Middle East topic}} template as a starting point, but I changed almost everything. @Mikeblas said I need to mention in the edit summary every time I copy something, even if it's only little bits or I intend to change it later. There is pretty much none of {{Middle East topic}} left. There's the names of some of the places (about 20% to 50% - red links don't show) - compare 1 and 2 below - but that's only as much overlap as {{Middle East topic}} and {{Asia topic}} - compare 3 and 2 below. MWQs (talk) 13:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not what I said; it's a policy of Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I misinterpreted. The relevant bit of that link seems to be "content forking" but I'm a bit unsure on what I was supposed to do differently? How should I describe it if I start with a copy of something but plan to turn it into something non-redundant? I just described what I stated with in the first edit. But then I changed pretty much everything. It's part of a set that all overlap at least one other, the places in {{Middle East topic}} are Egypt plus a subset of {{Asia topic}} and that's a subset of {{World topic}}, but they all have different levels of detail etc. Then there's at least 3 sub regions of {{Americas topic}}. MWQs (talk) 04:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asia and the Middle East

Americas

Blank (all regions shown)

1. {{d Middle East topic}}

The Template:d Middle East topic includes a lot of historical regions (e.g. Ottoman Empire), and broad regions (e.g. Arab world) and it more broadly covers the Greater Middle East, including North Africa, and Central Asia, etc. It also covers a lot of disputed territories that aren't on the {{Middle East topic}} version (Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, etc.)

2. {{Middle East topic}}

The Template:Middle East topic only has current countries in West Asia and Egypt.

3. {{Asia topic}}

TheTemplate:Asia topic includes current countries in all of Asia.

with variables added

4. {{d Middle East topic| prefix = religion | join = in }}

Template:Navbox_usage

Template:Navbox_usage (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Navbox documentation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Navbox_usage with Template:Navbox documentation.
The target seems to serve the same purpose but is much more comprehensive. Set theorist (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad

Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with two blue links. DB1729^talk 23:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, it has three (including the parent), and the other redlinks are valid future articles. Mackensen (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ~~per Mackensen~~. It contains information relevant to the subject displayed in a standardized format at an expected location. (It would be much less visible if buried as text in the article.)^{12:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)} Useddenim (talk) 01:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has two links in the body. That does not justify a navigation box. --DB1729^talk 11:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's really an editorial question. WP:NENAN is an essay, and the examples therein don't apply to this navbox and the related articles. Mackensen (talk) 10:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 02:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not much to navigate with. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not enough content to warrant a navbox. We keep templates based on the present, not future speculation that has had over a decade to come true but hasn't. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Indian Premier League final preload

Template:Indian Premier League final preload (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Article content template used only for the 2024 Indian Premier League final and subsequent future events. Deleting this template will not result in any loss of attribution, as the creator of this template is the only one who has used it. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I just disabled display of a non-free file (that which is specified in the infobox given the year) outside of mainspace. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The goal of this preload is to maintain uniformity within the IPL final articles.

If it isn't worthy of a template, then Userfy it to User:Vestrian24Bio/Sandbox/IPL/Final preload over redirect. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hindu Temples in Pudukkottai District

Template:Hindu Temples in Pudukkottai District (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Hindu temples in Pudukkottai District (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Hindu Temples in Pudukkottai District with Template:Hindu temples in Pudukkottai District.
The incorrectly capitalized version is the larger and the one generally in use with far more transclusions than the (correctly) uncapitalized version. I suggest merging under the title "Template:Hindu temples in Pudukkottai District" and correcting the name at each article where it's transcluded. DB1729^talk 00:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

v t e Asia
Sovereign states	Afghanistan Armenia Azerbaijan Bahrain Bangladesh Bhutan Brunei Cambodia China Cyprus East Timor (Timor-Leste) Egypt Georgia India Indonesia Iran Iraq Israel Japan Jordan Kazakhstan North Korea South Korea Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Lebanon Malaysia Maldives Mongolia Myanmar Nepal Oman Pakistan Philippines Qatar Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Sri Lanka Syria Tajikistan Thailand Turkey Turkmenistan United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vietnam Yemen
States with limited recognition	Abkhazia Northern Cyprus Palestine South Ossetia Taiwan
Dependencies and other territories	British Indian Ocean Territory Christmas Island Cocos (Keeling) Islands Hong Kong Macau
Category Asia portal

v t e North America
Sovereign states	Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Canada Costa Rica Cuba Dominica Dominican Republic El Salvador Grenada Guatemala Haiti Honduras Jamaica Mexico Nicaragua Panama Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Trinidad and Tobago United States
Dependencies and other territories	Anguilla Aruba Bermuda Bonaire British Virgin Islands Cayman Islands Curaçao Greenland Guadeloupe Martinique Montserrat Puerto Rico Saint Barthélemy Saint Martin Saint Pierre and Miquelon Saba Sint Eustatius Sint Maarten Turks and Caicos Islands United States Virgin Islands

v t e South America
Sovereign states	Argentina Bolivia Brazil Chile Colombia Ecuador Guyana Paraguay Peru Suriname Uruguay Venezuela
Dependencies and other territories	Falkland Islands French Guiana South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

v t e the Americas
United States and Canada Latin America and the Caribbean
Regions	Latin America Hispanic North America Northern Caribbean Central America South America
Sovereign states	Antigua and Barbuda Argentina Bahamas Barbados Belize Bolivia Brazil Canada Chile Colombia Costa Rica Cuba Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador El Salvador Grenada Guatemala Guyana Haiti Honduras Jamaica Mexico Nicaragua Panama Paraguay Peru Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Suriname Trinidad and Tobago United States Uruguay Venezuela
Dependencies and other territories	Anguilla Aruba Bermuda Bonaire British Virgin Islands Cayman Islands Curaçao Falkland Islands French Guiana Greenland Guadeloupe Martinique Montserrat Puerto Rico Saba Saint Barthélemy Saint Martin Saint Pierre and Miquelon Sint Eustatius Sint Maarten South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands Turks and Caicos Islands U.S. Virgin Islands

v t e Pages about… (please see docs for how to add a topic) in The Greater Middle East
Mediterranean	Cyprus Northern Cyprus Greece Malta
North Africa	Algeria Egypt Sinai Libya Morocco Somalia Sudan Tunisia Western Sahara
Levant	Israel Jerusalem Jordan Lebanon Palestine Gaza Strip Al-Quds East Jerusalem West Bank Syria Golan Heights
Arabian Peninsula	Bahrain Oman Qatar Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates Yemen
West Asia	Afghanistan Iran Iraq Kuwait Pakistan Turkey
Caucasus	Abkhazia Armenia Azerbaijan Chechnya Dagestan Georgia South Ossetia Russia
Central Asia	Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan Turkmenistan Uzbekistan
History	USSR French Algeria British Empire Mandatory Palestine Kingdom of Iraq Mandatory Iraq Spanish protectorate in Morocco Russian Empire Ottoman Empire Ottoman Syria Byzantine Empire Roman Empire Roman Judea Ancient Egypt
Regions	African Union Africa North Africa Arab world Arab League Middle East West Asia Central Asia Asia Caucasus Europe EU