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Template:Infobox CFL Draft edit

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox sports draft. No opposition, reasonable arguments. Primefac (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox CFL Draft with Template:Infobox sports draft.
Per the other successful merge discussions for similar draft infoboxes (NFL and multi-sport). This one in particular has fewer than 20 transclusions and only 2 parameters without equivalents that are actually used: CIAU/CIS/U Sports (could be combined, number of Canadian university players drafted) and NCAA (number of NCAA players drafted). BLAIXX 23:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Subst and delete per above rationale. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Uw-catimprove edit

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. No consensus (yet) to delete; rewrites welcomed. Template is only 10 days old and has not been used on any User Talk pages yet. No bias against revisiting once we see what develops down the road. (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just no. We already have {{uncategorized}}, or you could, you know, just add a category yourself. I can't see a good reason to nag people creating what is probably their first article over something so minor it can be fixed faster than you can send this notice to them. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agree with the above and repeating what I wrote at WT:UTM: I don't think this is something editors need to be warned about. Some authors are more concerned about the articles they write not the categories in which they are or should be placed. Plus it's very easy to add a category for any drive by editor who notices it. If not sure, better to tag the article with {{uncategorized}} or {{category improve}}. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is an overly specific template. If this is a repeat problem with an editor's article creation, leave them a personalized message. Typing one or two sentences to someone isn't that hard. Natureium (talk) 00:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agree with the above. A "warning" is too much surely for such a crime. Personally, one of the things that drives me mad is people who add hatnotes indiscriminately. Just laziness. As noted above, add a category instead. Nigej (talk) 11:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Similar to {{uw-refimprove}}, and articles should have categories. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The key difference being that articles with inadequate sourcing are subject to being deleted, so it's more important to notify the user in order that the content not be lost if it can indeed be properly sourced. You are of course correct that articles should be categorized, but it is not one of our core policies, just a small maintainence detail that anyone can easily fix. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rewrite to remove the part that tells the recipient to go back and add cats, but keep as it's a useful template message dropping the links to categorization FAQs and the categorization guideline for new users. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 21:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm coming around to this. I agree a warning seems harsh, but we do have a category of such templates called "Advisories" at WP:UTM. This is a recurring issue suitable for a standardized response. Although this issue is particular/specific, for sure, so are many of the subjects of these templates. Yes, a personalized message could be written, but the idea behind WP:UTM is to provide standardized messages that are well thought out and contain links to relevant information, to save time for the user. This situation would benefit from that. It was my earlier opinion that the cleanup template on the article sufficed, but Nigej makes the point that many editors are likely to just fix the problem themselves, and then the original author is never informed about the need to categorize. So I think this template does fill a need. However, I think some rewriting is advised, and I think the links can be pared down to two at most. --Bsherr (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Survivor season edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:42, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This template seems like a very bad idea. Reality TV programs need less automated editing and more actual caring for notability, references, actual prose content. This yells wrong from every direction. Gonnym (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Overly complex. Surely easier to simply cut and paste from an earlier series. Nigej (talk) 17:33, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:USACHL edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The template was used on the three teams linked in template. I boldly merged those teams into the league page as the league lasted about 6 weeks before folding and all sourcing and historical info were virtually identical. The template is now just footer clutter on the three arena pages and not particularly useful. Yosemiter (talk) 20:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Coach Trip couples edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Template:Coach Trip couples and replace with Template:Infobox reality competition season. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:52, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Coach Trip couples with Template:Infobox reality competition season.
Template is almost an exact duplicate of previous template {{Big Brother housemates}} (See related discussions here, here and here). These need to be merged with {{Infobox reality competition season}} just like the Big Brother and Survivor articles are currently in the process of merging. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 20:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh god you’ve already trashed the Big Brother articles. Starting on Coach Trip now too. It’s a shame that two wikipedia user decided to come to a decision to REMOVE the Big Brother templates which provided convenience and was quick way to see who entered and exited the house on which day. DonutsAndBakewells (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! and Coach Trip should not be using their own custom infoboxes when other reality shows like Survivor, Love Island, etc do not and use a standardized infobox. After {{Infobox reality show candidates}} which was used on The Apprentice UK articles was deleted (which was very similar to these templates) its only natural that the remaining templates brought up for discussion as well. Also templates like {{Big Brother housemates}} and {{Coach Trip couples}} were designed to be minute by minute update infoboxes similar to what would be found on a blog or fansite. Those two infoboxes alone fail WP:NOTNEWS and WP:INDISCRIMINATE and are eventually replaced by {{Big Brother endgame}} and {{Coach Trip endgame}} at the end of the season. These infoboxes shows the final results of their time on the show. The information from the two "endgame" templates can be moved into a contestant table which has their Day Entered, Day Exited and Results in the same table which is just as quick to look at versus having to click a "show" button. The fact that {{Big Brother endgame}} and {{Coach Trip endgame}} requires the reader to click a "show" button to see this very information fails MOS:DONTHIDE. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 20:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete template and replace with {{Infobox reality competition season}} as there is no merge involved here (and only 5 articles using this fork). The problem with most of the reality TV series/seasons articles is that the "fans" are interested in creating colorful (very colorful) tables, without actually caring to reference. If we look at Celebrity Coach Trip (series 3) as an example, the information of entered/exit in the colorful pseudo-infobox table is already duplicated Celebrity Coach Trip (series 3)#Contestants. We can't solve all the reality TV articles problems, but we could at least make sure that the template used gives our readers a consistent, friendly and more accessibility-compliant infobox. --Gonnym (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace and delete per above rationale. Much easier to have a single template, with a fairly accessible name, that can be maintained, than a huge diaspora of smaller templates. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Coach Trip endgame edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Template:Coach Trip endgame and replace with Template:Infobox reality competition season. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Coach Trip endgame with Template:Infobox reality competition season.
Template is almost an exact duplicate of {{Big Brother endgame}} (Also see related discussions here, here and here). These need to be merged with {{Infobox reality competition season}} just like the Big Brother and Survivor articles are currently in the process of merging. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 20:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete template and replace with {{Infobox reality competition season}} as there is no merge involved here (and only 23 articles using this fork). The problem with most of the reality TV series/seasons articles is that the "fans" are interested in creating colorful (very colorful) tables, without actually caring to reference. If we look at Coach Trip (series 3) as an example, the information of entered/exit in the colorful pseudo-infobox table is already duplicated Coach Trip (series 3)#Contestants. We can't solve all the reality TV articles problems, but we could at least make sure that the template used gives our readers a consistent, friendly and more accessibility-compliant infobox. --Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace and delete per above rationale. Much easier to have a single template, with a fairly accessible name, that can be maintained, than a huge diaspora of smaller templates. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace and delete per above rationale. Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:IACGMOOH contestants edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Template:IACGMOOH contestants and replace with Template:Infobox reality competition season. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:IACGMOOH contestants with Template:Infobox reality competition season.
Template is almost an exact duplicate of previous deleted templates (See these discussions here, here and here). These need to be merged with {{Infobox reality competition season}} just like the Big Brother and Survivor articles are currently in the process of merging. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 20:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:AOS edit

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The result of the discussion was delete and replace with Template:Infobox reality competition season. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary fork of deleted {{Big Brother housemates}} currently used by one article Ace Of Space 1. Three other such templates have been nominated and deleted. here, here and here. Subpages Template:AOS/doc should also be deleted with template. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 19:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete template and replace with {{Infobox reality competition season}} as there is no merge involved here (and only 1 article using this fork). --Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace and delete per above rationale. Much easier to have a single template, with a fairly accessible name, that can be maintained, than a huge diaspora of smaller templates. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and Replace per nom. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 05:51, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox character/Wikidata edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 January 25. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Media companies of the United States edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, newly-created template. Poor substitute for Category:Media companies of the United States. Cabayi (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Unused and no useful purpose. Ajf773 (talk) 17:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep such a navbox is potentially useful, and if it has been newly created, may not have been deployed yet. Such a template would provide useful links between articles about US media companies --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Although potentially useful, the creator simply but 3 companies in and has done nothing to it for a week or so, and has not commented here. It is still unused. Given the small effort put into creating it and the small effort that would be required to recreate it, seems to me to be better to delete it rather than leave it, where it might remain unused and useless for years. Nigej (talk) 09:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I agree with Cabayi that this seems better suited to a category, particularly with the lack of a link to an article in the title. --Bsherr (talk) 23:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Schools in Jharkhand edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indiscrimate selection of schools across an entire state of India, many redlinks. Not suitable for a navbox. Ajf773 (talk) 09:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Detroit Lions 1986 draft navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:59, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

duplicate of Template:Lions1986DraftPicks Joeykai (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The creator seems to have realised it was the wrong style of name and created the other, leaving this one behind, unused. Nigej (talk) 08:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Nigej. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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