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October 2

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The result of the discussion was redirect Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox personal identification (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Previously one use on Resident Certificate, replaced with Template:Infobox Identity document here. eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:31, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replace but keep a redirect (or the equivalent for templates), as this will surely be recreated. LT90001 (talk) 22:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Olympic event category navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only transcluded by another template which is itself unused. eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The intended use was analogous to that of Template:Ice hockey at the Olympic Games category navbox, for easy cross-navigation between curling categories of different Olympic Games, but it seems I never got the job done properly. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox UK constituency alt (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

29 transclusions, there is already a Template:Infobox UK constituency main with 1,879 transclusions and Template:Infobox UK constituency (former); no documentation so it's not clear why (or if) this is needed. eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DeleteLT90001 (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was merge with article, history saved at Talk:Jews/infoboxPlastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:08, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Jews (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

there are currently over 4000 articles using template:infobox ethnic group, but this one is the only one that has not been merged with the article. I see no reason why it needs to be kept separate from the article. we can preserve the edit history by moving it to a subpage of the article, and redirecting it to the article. we can preserve the talk page history by archiving it with the rest of the talk archives. Frietjes (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as is A merge has been reverted once recently, and the discussion on the talkpage has two people who disagree with the nominator on this subject. The reasons against a merge are mentioned there, and I feel the nominator should be trouted for forum shopping. The main point in the discussion against a merge is that there are very frequent and animated discussions and disagreements (including edits) regarding this template, and therefore it makes sense to treat the template and the article separately. Just have a look at the edit history and the talkpage of this template, and it becomes obvious that if all those edits and discussions were to be part of the article and its talkpage, they would be overloaded with edits and discussions, and the distinction between the template and the article proper would make the mixture of edits to both and discussion about both too confusing. Debresser (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think what you say is correct. Infobox discussions have nothing (or little) to do with discussions about the article content. Arguments about the infobox are usually who will be in the collage, what to write under "religions", what is the correct number of Jews in different countries, who are the "related groups" to Jews. Those are separate discussions to the discussions about the article, especially in the case of Jews, and they don't cross the discussions on the Jews talk page. 2.124.14.197 (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank your for repeating an known point of view without relating to the reasons that have been brought why this template should not be used directly in the article. Debresser (talk) 09:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see why people want to hide edits from the edit history of the article, it should be visible to editors who watchlist the article, instead of needing them to search for changes on a single use template page. Changes to the content of the infobox should be part of the article history. Hiding that is bad. -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 06:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral: I've become uncertain about this. If we look at the pages that link to it, the only Wikipedia article that links to this infobox is "Jews", and therefore I don't think it'll be a big deal if they are merged. There are already similar templates, like this and that one, too. Shalom11111 (talk) 16:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: People who just say "delete" without mentioning reasons should not be counted. Seriously, there are few people who voted "delete" yet didn't bring up any reasons, or brought up reasons which were already explained why irrelevant for this case. The main argument of those who support "delete" is "it's the only ethnic group template with a separate page", but I don't think this argument is a real reason. Most ethnic group pages don't suffer from vandalism like the Jews do, and most articles don't have so many debates and discussions on the talk page as the Jews article does. 176.251.55.76 (talk) 17:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PS Does anyone know why my IP changed? Weird. 176.251.55.76 (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --09:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanquisher.UA (talkcontribs)
  • Subst and delete: The template isn't even much bigger than most infoboxes. I don't see it flooding the page with edits and discussions. Besides, the recent activity flood only appears to have been going on for about a month. I don't think it's a permanent thing. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The template is even editprotected now. Would you want that to happen to the article? If you don't know how to check edit history, don't give an opinion! Debresser (talk) 16:20, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, that looks like a temporary dispute, not a permanent thing. And did you really have to call me an "ignoramus" in your edit summary? Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:08, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete, if someone wants to create the Moldova template, go ahead, but it appears we already have Template:Riots, protests and civil disorder in RomaniaPlastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Conflicts in Romania and Moldova (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Strange combination of social unrest and wars in two different countries bundled in one template. The Banner talk 21:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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Transliteration scheme side boxes

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Malayalam transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tamil transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tulu transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We don't need a whole box to tell people what kind of translit scheme we're using. Just like with languages, preface the first translit in the article with the wikilink to it, and people will get it. — Lfdder (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment unlike the script-warning-boxes, I don't see the need for these, since we're using a latin transcription, so there's no worry about having characters that an English-based computer system won't display. And any notice of what transliteration scheme to use should either be codified in a MOS for that language/script, or appear as a talk page banner (such as how the WP:ENGVAR banners exist as talk page material, and not article page material) -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. These are simple notices, and are helpful both for readers and editors about the transliteration standard in use on a page. Someone adding content to one of these pages isn't going to look up in the MOS before contributing, and readers attempting to understand the page content shouldn't have to search through article text to find the transliteration. With this template, it's always up there at the top of the page, where it can is visible to drop-in editors and easily found by readers, and they can be used for adding maintenance categories to pages. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 06:56, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel the information regarding the transliteration scheme is quite important as the transliteration scheme is quite different from the common romanised spellings that readers are used to. If not informed, they might try to change it to one of the non-standard forms. If we're going to add just a link at the preface, I'd request to do that to the few articles where this template is used before deletion. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:26, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Unlike the ENGVAR templates which are to help editors, these templates help readers and editors so to be on the article is appropriate. The editors of an article should be left to decide how best to explain to readers: TfD is not at all well placed to decide this. It would be very unhelpful to expect readers to refer to the MOS to see how transliterations have been performed. Thincat (talk) 07:31, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Ukrainian oblast divisions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only on Administrative divisions of Khmelnytskyi Oblast, it duplicates much of the information available on Khmelnytskyi Oblast so it could be deleted without replacement. If necessary, the number of cities and villages could be displayed in a table. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can use a table for that.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:10, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete. {{db-author}} added by Frietjes (talk · contribs) 19:44, 3 October 2013. Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Texas regional council (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created in April and used on 24 articles, it could be replaced with Template:Infobox settlement. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be better to use only the most recent population figures? In other cases Template:Historical populations is used for that purpose, but since those articles are nearly all stubs it might be excessive to add a separate template for 2 or 3 population figures. If that option doesn't convince you, it could be moved to a more generic name, and used for all articles that require more than one population figure for the same place.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
anything is possible, but what is the most appropriate thing to do? I am still unsure of how an association of governments is a settlement, seems more like an organization? Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I think this form of government is similar to a French communauté, which incorporates several local government entities and for which we also use IB settlement.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:09, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox motorsport round (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It could probably be replaced by Template:Infobox motorsport championship. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox wikiproject software (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, and there is already a Template:Infobox software anyway. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Only a handful of enhancements to add and I've started to apply this template to projects. it does things neither of the other two templates do and is a broader template. I'll be adding it for another WikiProject tomorrow and then more as my free time allows. Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now it's used on one page, to which it was added by removing IB software. Do we really need this new infobox?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking no. Dates could (should) be taken out and both beta and alpha listed under |latest preview version=. — Lfdder (talk) 12:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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