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The Story of a Flemish Farm

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Our article The Flemish Farm says it is "based on an actual wartime incident". I would like to know more about that incident. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 17:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flag with a History. British Pathé. Pathé News. 1942.
see also [1] Nanonic (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You might try RX for "A Belgian Squadron in Great Britain" in Message: Belgian Review, page 31 of the 1941-2 bound volume. Can't really tell from the books preview if there is anything additional. fiveby(zero) 19:51, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oliver Stewart (February 25, 1942). "Air Eddies". Tatler. Caption for photo of award of Croix de Guerre to James Rankin by Camille Gutt has The Belgian pilot who flew back to his own country and, in the face of the enemy, saved the Standard which had been buried in a remote part of the country, was also decorated with the Croix de Guerre by M. Gutt. fiveby(zero) 20:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also described here - The Battle of Britain, 1945-1965: The Air Ministry and the Few . I haven't been able to find the pilot's name, perhaps not released at the time because of fear of retaliation for any family still in Belgium. Alansplodge (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Fiveby:, @Alansplodge:, @Nanonic: thank you, all interesting stuff. I have asked as suggested at RX. It would be good to know the name of this plucky Belgian. The film does make a point of the dangers faced by the families of those Belgians who had made it to Britain to carry on the fight. DuncanHill (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Free Belgian forces#Belgians in the Royal Air Force cites Baete, Hubert, ed. (1994). Belgian Forces in United Kingdom. Ostend: Defence. pp. 165–7. for regimental standard of the 2nd Régiment d'Aéronautique. We ought to be able to track down: 350 squadron, 2nd regiment, and a croix de guerre probably awarded 13 January 1942 if all those details are correct. Frustratingly not so. Maybe try fr:Wikipédia:Oracle? fiveby(zero) 18:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bingo! Aided by my schoolboy French and a lot of help from Bing Translator:-
On May 26, 1940, following the invasion of our country by the German armies, the standard was buried in France, in Vendargues near Montpellier, by Colonel de Woelmont and Major Hellemans. On April 25, 1941, Captain Vandermies and Major Hellemans joined forces to retake the flag. One took away the pole, the other the silk and the standard was thus brought back to England. On December 1, 1941, the standard was handed over to Mr. Gutt, Minister of National Defense in London. It then became the standard of the Belgian Air Force in England. On February 12, 1942, it was entrusted to the 350th Squadron. This same standard later became that of the [Belgian] Air Force: on October 14, 1948, Colonel BEM de Fraiteur, Minister of National Defense, entrusted it to Lieutenant-Colonel Aviateur Burniaux and in September 1949, it was entrusted to Colonel Aviateur Ecuyer Donnet, Commander of the Operations Group. [2]
In 1941, Montpellier was in the Zone libre of Vichy France, but still hostile country. Alansplodge (talk) 11:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Captain Vandermies appears to be the same Pierre Vandermies who arrived in Britain on 30 January 1941 and in May of the same year, returned to Belgium to set up escape routes for downed Allied aircrew. [3]
Albert Hellemans "was active in the Belgian Resistance from October 1940 to mid-1941 when he escaped to France. He was arrested when trying to get to Spain, but he escaped, crossed the Pyrenees and made it through Spain to Gibraltar". [4] Alansplodge (talk) 11:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. fiveby(zero) 12:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now added at The Flemish Farm (film)#Premise. Alansplodge (talk) 14:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

American Civil War - fate of Southern outlaws

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At the end of the Civil War, what happened to the Confedrate outlaws? Did they all surrender and were then executed for being criminals, instead of soldiers? Like what happened in the film The Outlaw Josey Wales? 86.131.21.36 (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Such as Jesse James? --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See Pardons for ex-Confederates. Alansplodge (talk) 08:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even John S. Mosby and his raiders were pardoned. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "Confederate outlaws"? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably "Many infamous outlaws of the American West started out as members of guerrilla units during the Civil War". [5] We have an article on Quantrill's Raiders, whose members included the James brothers. Alansplodge (talk) 12:59, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is The Outlaw Josey Wales a documentary? --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean Confederate guerrillas. 86.131.21.36 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do any names come to mind? (besides Josey Wales) --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could read the link I provided above. Alansplodge (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So could the OP. But it appears the OP has something else in mind. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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