Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Doubledayo.jpg

Abner Doubleday edit

Original - Abner Doubleday, American Civil War general.

Unrestored version provided for comparison.

Reason: American Civil War general attributed by popular myth as the inventor of baseball.
Articles this image appears in: Abner Doubleday, Origins of baseball
Creator: Unknown, probably Matthew Brady or Levin Corbin Handy. Restored version of Image:Doubledayuncropped.jpg.

Support as nominator Durova^Charge! 22:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You have got to be kidding me. Sorry. Really nice restoration work, but the twenty-gazillionth American Civil War general to be featured. Go ahead, wave it through. I've voiced my sentiments on that subject before. --Dschwen 22:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- He's actually more famous for the baseball myth than as a general. Durova^Charge! 22:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sounds to me like a common on the subject? Capital photographer (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also I wonder why you didn't use material from the right shot to fill in the spot on his lip. Your retouching made his lower lip bigger than it appears in the right frame. --Dschwen 14:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The lip... please compare original and restoration this is easily fixed, but I don't want to meddle with your file. --Dschwen 13:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay; heading to bed. Will toy with that tomorrow and upload if I can make it an improvement (you're giving me so much lip about it). ;) Durova^Charge! 07:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - You'd best not giving him mere lip service then! ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Despite Dschwen, the image is worthy based on its merits.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 01:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support good restoration, good image (given era), quite notable subject. Sharpness is not great however given when the photo was taken, I would assume the softness is the result of the primitive photography of the time requiring long exposures. Capital photographer (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support good restoration, subject of atleast moderate interest (participation in civil war, baseball myths and Theosopical soceity membership) --Kalyan (talk) 04:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Many better FP pictures already exist of such generals, and the picture itself is certainly not up to FP technical standards. EgraS (talk) 07:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not? E.g. Image:Tecumseh sherman.jpg doesn't look half as good, neither does Image:Ulysses Grant 1870-1880.jpg. (Obviously, that's not to say that Abner Doubleday is on the same level with those two wrt historical significance. But he sure is very notable, and combined with this quality restoration, I think the overall EV is fully sufficient.) Dorftrottel (troll) 12:41, May 8, 2008

Support. We just have to live with the fact that editors can't be told what they should work on - it's not like we're on a payroll! I'm sure that whoever schedules TPFs does their best to remedy systemic bias at that stage. As for this picture, you have to acknowledge that it meets the criteria (or nominate the article for deletion to establish non-notability, which will probably fail). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I'm doing my best to remedy systemic bias (if you look at my FP gallery you'll see). Some external factors do tend to be US-friendly. Namely, the best online archive I've found for high quality archival scans is the Library of Congress. U.S. copyright law also puts more material into the public domain than most other countries. I've been making efforts at Commons and at the Foundation level to clear some hurdles that would make it easier to counter systemic bias in image uploads, but that really gets too tangential to this FPC to discuss in detail here. Durova^Charge! 19:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Superb restoration. The other photo of Doubleday on Wikipedia isn't as good. Spikebrennan (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Would also be useful in the bad haircuts article. --jjron (talk) 23:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support excellent restoration, great detail, very encyclopedic. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-05-09 18:22Z
Support. Yes, we have a lot of these types of featured pictures. No, that doesn't mean we shouldn't promote it. NauticaShad es 01:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support A very nice and very well done restoration of an old photo and the number of previous Civil War General Photos (Union or Confederate) has no bearing and should have no bearing as to whether an image is made an FP or not. Cat-five - talk 09:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Doubledayo.jpg --jjron (talk) 08:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]