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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 19:31:23 27 March 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of songs recorded by Shawn Mendes edit

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Nominator(s): NØ 09:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I’ve created this list 100% alone from scratch, and I believe it meets the criteria. My previous nomination for List of awards and nominations received by Dua Lipa has been open for way longer than a month with over 4 supports but for reasons that remain unknown to me, the delegates are still yet to promote it. So I’m assuming it’s fine for me to open this one. Regards.—NØ 09:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see another song list! Here's some comments:

  • Songs and albums should not be sorted by A, An, The, etc. (sort by the first actual word)
  • Wouldn't hurt to give the table some color. Maybe to indicate singles and/or covers
  • You can say who the artist is for covers ("Use Somebody" is Kings of Leon and "Under Pressure" is Queen and David Bowie, etc.) And put a break between the song and the word "cover" afterwards so it's under the title
  • Who wrote "Handwritten Demos"?
  • The lead should contain a couple more references
  • Care to expand on his live albums? (meaning what they contained, or did either contain a live song/cover that he hasn't properly recorded in a studio?) – things like that

Everything else looks good for now. Great job on this! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 03:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you can have another look at the list now. “Handwritten Demos” has no credited songwriters since it’s a 9 minute compilation of demos of various different songs. I addressed everything else.—NØ 07:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Then put a centered en dash in that empty box for that track and make a note saying what you just said. Just so that it's not empty. Also, say "is featured" in the image captions. Reads weird without it. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
  • For this sentence (Mendes signed with Republic Records in May 2014.), “Republic Records” should have a wikilink.
  • For this sentence (Mendes has appeared as a featured artist on The Vamps' song "Oh Cecilia (Breaking My Heart)", and has contributed a song called "Believe" to the Descendants soundtrack), I would add the years that both songs were released.
  • For this sentence (He has released two live albums titled Live at Madison Square Garden and MTV Unplugged.), I would add the years of the two releases. It is important to give the reader a sense of a timeline, and as someone completely unfamiliar with Mendes, I was left wondering when did this happen for this sentence and the sentence above.
  • I have a question for this sentence (His self-titled third studio album was released in May 2018, and included the singles "In My Blood", "Lost in Japan", "Youth", "Where Were You in the Morning?" and "Nervous".). In previous sentences about singles, you always included a colon after singles. I would add the colon to the above sentence for consistency.
  • The “Contents” bar at the top of the “Songs” section includes parts not used in the list (i.e. “0-9”). Make sure to remove anything from the bar that is not currently represented in the table. They can be added if/when Mendes records albums that start with a number or that particular letter.
  • The table includes something about a “Revisited” album, which I found out was a reissue from the album article. I would include the fact that he reissued this album with new material to the lead for clarity.
  • I would expand the note for “Handwritten Demos” to clarify that it is “a 9 minute compilation of demos of various different songs” as you say in the FLC. If I looked at the list without looking at the FLC, I would wonder why this song in particular did not have songwriters credited.

Great work with the list. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the valuable comments as always, all done!—NØ 04:29, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 06:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "reissued as Handwritten (Revisited) with live recordings and four new songs in November" - of which year?
  • "included the singles: "Life of the Party"," - there should not be a colon there
  • "Mendes has appeared [...] and has contributed" => "Mendes appeared [...] and contributed"
  • "cover versions of Plain White T's' "Hey There Delilah"" => "cover versions of "Hey There Delilah"" by Plain White T's" (avoids that awkward 's')
  • "released in September 2016, included the singles:" - again, there should not be a colon there
  • "released in May 2018, and included the singles:" - or there ;-)
  • In the table, "Oh Cecilia" is a cover of the Simon and Garfunkel song, surely, and therefore should be marked as such.....?
  • Think that's it from me.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done. "Oh Cecilia" definitely isn’t a cover of the Simon & Garfunkel song since all of the members of the Vamps are credited as songwriters. The song article calls it an “adaptation” of the latter so I added a note with similar wording here.—NØ 22:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. One other point - it's probably worth being more specific about the location of the Oracle Arena in the image caption, as I for one wouldn't even know what country it was in, let alone what town/city....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done, ChrisTheDude :D—NØ 04:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Lirim.Z
  • I would any type of verification for the liner notes; ASIN, EAN etc.
  • Mark songs released as a single like here --Lirim | Talk 04:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added the verification codes. I usually find it a pointless exercise to mark single releases on these lists because they’re already discussed on discography articles. So they just work as decoration and don’t really add much to a reader's understanding. And we’ve already marked the covers here to give colour to the table too.—NØ 06:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't switch so much between ASIN and EAN; use one or both. This list is a seperate list and not an addition to the discography. Singles are a "special kind" of released songs. I would mark them.--Lirim | Talk 17:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since their isn't a concrete rule for this I can't really say anything against your decision. I would still use either EAN or ASIN or both.--Lirim | Talk 20:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did switch them all to ASIN.—NØ 04:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I don't think I've ever seen a featured list with an opening paragraph that's only 30 words long – could you maybe combine it with the second paragraph to beef it up a bit?
  • "Mendes signed with Republic Records in May 2014." This needs a source.
  • "a more "matured" and "meticulous" side of the singer". According to whom? Presumably this is Mesfin Fekadu of Associated Press, but it would help if the text were explicit.
  • Why is the References link repeated in the second TOC, when it was already in the first one?
  • "Lost in Japan" moves above "Lost" when the table is sorted by name. Either "Lost" needs to be moved above "Lost in Japan" when the table first loads, or else "Lost in Japan" needs to be changed so that it stays put when the table is sorted.
  • "nine minute" -> "nine-minute"
  • Typographic quotation marks (i.e. “ and ”) need to be replaced with typewriter ones (i.e. ").
  • The alt text for most of the images needs to be rewritten, as it doesn't really provide relevant context. That image of Khalid, for example, isn't just "a picture of a main with black hair". Something as simple as, say, "Head-and-shoulders colour photograph of Khalid in October 2017" would work.

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 00:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All done, A Thousand Doors. Thanks for the valuable feedback.—NØ 06:33, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that the alt text still needs some work. Unless these images were being used to illustrate an article on, say, celebrities dyeing their name, there's really no need to highlight their hair colour in the alt text for every single photo – it's only going to confuse our visually-impaired readers. I was thinking something more like this. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; A Thousand Doors did the alt text themselves; promoting. --PresN 19:31, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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