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Nominator(s): Eddie891 Talk Work 01:49, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a comprehensive list of all presidents of the New York Public Library. My apologies if the article doesn't meet the criteria. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:49, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • All tables need scope cols and rows per MOS:ACCESS (specifically MOS:DTAB)
  • All tables should be centered with names left-aligned
  • You don't have the years in which they served under the dates in the lenox library table
  • Put "Image" and "President" into their own columns
  • If no image is available, put an en dash
  • Change "Ref" → "Ref(s)" in New York Public Library table
  • "On February 14, 1849 the" → comma after 1849
  • Change the dates in every ref to American style dating, meaning 'Month Day, Year'
  • "Lenox library" → "Lenox Library"
  • "Astor library" → "Astor Library"

That's all I found off the bat. If you need any help just ask. Very good job so far! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BeatlesLedTV I believe I have addressed all of your issues. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:14, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I made some edits that reflect the scope rows that I mentioned previously. Couple more comments:
  • Date in ref 1 still needs fixed
  • Link the website in every ref if it has it's own page. For example, HathiTrust (which shouldn't be italicized btw), The New York Times, etc.
  • In the New York Public Library table, some of the terms you have exact dates down to months and days but others don't have that.
Everything else is good with me. Good job on this list! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
BeatlesLedTV. I have fixed everything listed above but two. HathiTrust is in Italics because the publisher in the {{[[Template:Cite Web|cite web]]}} auto-italicizes it. In addition, anthony marx is not precise to the day because of the template it uses to keep time current. Thank you so much. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Eddie891 Actually the publisher doesn't auto-italicize the website does. To counteract that you put italics in the website itself. I'll do it for you. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 22:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Hameltion (talk, contribs) 14:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
* A link in the bold isn't great (MOS:BOLDAVOID), so I've changed that
  • Lenox Library is linked twice in the lead; Astor Library once
  • No space should be between year dashes (MOS:DATERANGE)
  • Is the lifespan graph necessary? or sourced?
  • The articles is an orphan: link to it from the NYPL page and possibly individual presidents' pages

I've additionally made these tweaks, which are hopefully alright. --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 03:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hameltion, I've addressed all of your concerns save the lifespan graph. I personally feel that it is a nice alternative to having a 'living presidents' section. However, if consensus emerges that it should be removed, I will happily do so. Additionally, I have sources to the lifespans, but am not sure where to put them, so if the graph should remain, could you please tell me where to put the sources? Thank you. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I'd prefer the living presidents table (maybe the graph could be collapsed?). It couldn't hurt to put the sources in hidden comments (see WP:HIDDEN), and if it were to be a table, just make a Ref column. I also just noticed that some of the references have both YYYY-MM-DD and Month D, Year formats, so just make everything like the latter for consistency. --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 13:49, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh also the date span is only between years, not between full dates. --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 13:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hameltion Better? Eddie891 Talk Work 14:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Once you've abbreviated New York Public Library, use the abbreviation!
Fixed
  • Can I just clarify one thing, are these individuals elected, and then re-elected every single year?
That's a good question. The NYPL bylaws say nothing about term length other than

"The President shall be the chief executive officer of the Library and shall exercise general supervision over its affairs and have the usual powers and perform the usual duties pertaining to his or her office. The President shall be ex officio a member of the Board of Trustees and all Committees of the Board and of the Corporation and shall be counted in the computation of a quorum and entitled to vote in the same manner as other members of such Committees, except that the President shall not be a member of the Compensation Committee or the Audit Committee. The President shall have the power to appoint, suspend and remove all employees other than those elected or appointed by the Board of Trustees pursuant to these Bylaws.

and

The officers shall be elected by the Board of Trustees at each annual meeting and shall hold office for one year

So I'd assume yes,and have edited the page accordingly.
  • "The trend ended in 1971, when Richard W. Couper became" well you probably need to tell me a little about Couper to help me understand how his election meant the trend ended.
Turns out that he was fairly prominent, and all presidents have been
  • "Robert Lenox Kennedy succeeded him. After Robert Kennedy's " consider merging these sentences to avoid the repeat of the name.
yup, done
  • It's a shame there are three separate tables for this, although I'm struggling to imagine a format that would suitably merge them into one...
yeah, I tried to think of a way, but couldn't find one
  • Suggest term duration could be a separate column, and tables could be sortable.
done
Duration doesn't sort correctly I'm afraid, probably needs {{hs}} to be used. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and we need to use {{sortname}} for the names to sort by surname correctly.... sorry! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I did sort name, but does hs still need to be used, with your recent edits?
No, I think, including that new "age" template, we're almost there! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1981-1989" needs en-dash.
changed
  • Not convinced that the former living presidents needs a gallery, especially with only one of the two members having an image, looks a little odd to me.
removed. I'd like to note that this was added at the request of Hameltion (not saying they did anything wrong), but it did take the place of a previous timeline.
  • Ref 20 I would expect United Nations to be a publisher so not in italics (and no The).
fixed
  • Ref 14 - SHOUTING could be tweaked.
done
  • Ref 18 too.
addressed
  • Salary is mentioned in the infobox and, in passing, in the lead, but I'd add the current salary to the lead too.
mentioned

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man I believe I have addressed all your issues. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Anything else? Eddie891 Talk Work 16:25, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
*Feels weird to have a list when President of the New York Public Library goes nowhere. Are we sure this is the right title?
  • Still unclear who elects the President. The NYPL itself doing the electing seems nonsensical? I suppose there is a board of governors or some such and that they elect the President?
Clarified. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • First paragraph seems to be lacking in references. Merged in 1895? One year term?
One year term is referenced in the NYPL Bylaws themselves. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe a better description than "millionaire" can be found for John Stewart Kennedy, given we're talking about a job that in modern times pays 3/4ths of a million dollars a year, this seems insignificant when you don't realise he died in the early 20th century.
Changed to Businessman, couldn't think of anything else. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles I believe I have responded to all your comments except the first. I'll happily move the page to President of the New York Public Library, or redirect that page to this page. Whatever you think. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging BeatlesLedTV, Hameltion and The Rambling Man for more opinions about the name of the article. Courcelles (talk) 03:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To me it feels that the page merits its current title, so a redirect is certainly in order. An article at the proposed title, I imagine, would contain more about the president's responsibilities and election than the few sentences about that there are now. (P.S. I noticed that Alexander Hamilton Jr. (1816–1889) should be disambiguated.) --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 03:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this article should be moved to that title. Perfectly possible to have an FL at a "base" title, and I suspect this is all we'll ever see written on the position. Courcelles (talk) 02:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh I mean I think it's fine how it is now. But because that page doesn't exist I think it would be good to create that page and redirect it to this page. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 21:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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