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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2016 [1].

Anthony Anderson (basketball) edit

Nominator(s): TempleM (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a professional basketball player who has spent most of his career with the Saint John Mill Rats or their previous incarnation. He finished his time in college with UMass as its second-best three-point shooter of all-time. As a pro, he has been an illustrious figure in minor league basketball in North America, winning MVP in both the American Basketball Association (ABA) and the National Basketball League of Canada (NBL). He is the NBL Canada's all-time leading scorer as well. I've put in plenty of work into this article over the past couple months, and it was recently promoted to GA. I believe that this article could definitely qualify for being a featured article, perhaps with a couple fixes here and there. Feel free to leave your comments and post whether you feel like this article can pass as an FA. TempleM (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Driveby comment from Iridescent edit

You talk about "London Capital Paws" and "The Paws" throughout, but the defunct basketball team was called London Capital; "P.A.W.S." was the name of their sponsor. I tried to check the cited reference to see if this error was derived from an error in the reference, but it's a dead link. ‑ Iridescent 00:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Iridescent: I believe that you are correct about the team name. Will I have to remove all of the information derived from the deleted article, because I can't find the same info anywhere else? TempleM (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You would have to remove the information if the article cannot verify anything. I tried looking for an Internet Archive version of the article you could add to the cite, but had no luck. One option you could consider is the Resource Exchange. The editors there have access to a wide range of paywalled newspaper articles and the like; perhaps one of them has access to the Daily Item. If so, they could provide you with a copy of the article, or at least confirm that it exists with a page number and date, which the source reviewer(s) will likely want to see. My old college's library only had the Pennsylvania Daily Item, unfortunately. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Iridescent: @Giants2008: I have made some changes to the section, replacing the deleted source with another one and adding some content. Let me know if you have any other concerns. TempleM (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image check: File:Saint John Mill Rats Poster.jpg is a fair use image but lacks critical commentary or a rationale as to how it helps readers understand the article subject. This does not appear to meet WP:NFCC#8.
    • Oppose pending resolution of the above. Anyone is authorized to change this to a support without further reference to me if the image is removed; please ping me if you are planning to keep it with an improved rationale and I will re-review. Stifle (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Stifle: I have removed the image, because I believe that it is not important enough to be listed under fair use. Let me know if you can re-review now that the image is removed. TempleM (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, oppose struck. I have not reviewed the rest of the article so now neutral. Stifle (talk) 09:54, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – I hate to be the bad guy when reviewing at FAC, but I'm finding a lot of glitches in the writing and issues with sourcing. Some of them really should have been caught before the FAC, and they lead me to think that a good copy-edit would be helpful, as well as some reworking in the references.

  • As a general note, publication dates should be included in references when available. For example, the New York Times story used in ref 4 will likely have a date of publication mentioned in the article. Not all of the references will (many statistics sites won't have a date listed, for instance), but it's good practice to include the dates when you can.
  • High school career: Boston Globe should be italicized as a print publication.
  • Freshman: "Anderson quickly became an key part of the Minutemen". "an" → "a".
  • "He eclipsed the scoring total in his following game against Boston College, after which he recorded a team-high 19 points." Since he clearly didn't score the points after the game, as implied by the sentence, this should be "in which" instead.
  • "In this game, Anderson hit three three-pointers in the closing 15.2 seconds, but his team failed to win the game." We now have "In this game", followed by "failed to win the game", which is repetitive in nature. I think you can just remove everything before Anderson's name; it seems clear enough that this is referring to the Boston College game.
  • More repetition here: "He became the first Minuteman to score over 5 threes that season and scored double figures for the 10th time as a freshman." There's "score" and "scored" in close proximity. Try to vary the writing a bit more.
  • Sophomore: A link to Steve Lappas isn't necessary, because there was already one in the prior section. Also, you can cut "head coach Steve" from this sentence, since we already know Lappas was the coach.
  • This sentence needs urgent attention: "Anderson recorded more than 100 assists for the second straight season, becoming the 1999 to do so."
  • Next sentence: "He also made the eight-most single-season threes in school history." "eight-most" → "eighth-most".
  • Junior: The "vs." here has a full stop (period) at the end, in contrast to the ones in previous sections. The MoS recommends that full stops be used, but this should be made consistent one way or the other.
  • Senior: Again, "Coach Steve Lappas" can be trimmed to just "Lappas".
  • The article contradicts itself in describing Anderson's game against Yale. It says he scored eight points, but Lappas' quote then says that he scored six points. Which is it?
  • What is meant to be citing the table of UMass' all-time three-point leaders? There should be a reference here, as there is for Anderson's stats.
  • In trying to answer the above question, I checked the source, which says it was six. That brought up another problem: the link went to UMassHoops.com, not the official UMassAthletics.com listed in the citation. UMassHoops.com is a fan site, and isn't a reliable source. It had copies of press articles about the game, which are more likely than not copyright violations. We shouldn't be linking to this site at all if that is the case. Upon checking, references 8, 11, 18, 19, 20, 21, 26, 27, and 30 also come from this site. That is a major issue, and I can't see this FAC passing if they are not replaced.
  • Also in the references, refs 1, 60, 68, 71, 76, 77, 80, 86, and 90 have all caps in the titles, which should be removed.
  • Ref 38 looks like another unreliable source with reprints from elsewhere.
  • Ref 40 is to somebody's blog. I have a hard time seeing that as reliable for much of anything, let alone an FA.

Sorry, but I think there is going to be a lot of work to resolve these issues during the course of an FAC, and I didn't even get to read the portion of the article that is about his pro career. I hope the issues can all be resolved, but have doubts as to whether this will pass on the first attempt. In particular, I'm really concerned about those UMassHoops.com links. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: I will address the issues you have stated. TempleM (talk) 00:23, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Ok, so I have fixed all of the issues you have pointed out except the dates and the unreliable sources, which I will save for later (since it will be a big job). Thank you for the review, and feel free to let me know what you think about the article right now. I will get back to you if/when I replace the UMassHoops sources and the blog source. TempleM (talk) 01:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Coordinator note: Substantial issues have been raised here, and the article does not appear to have been properly prepared for FAC. Therefore, I will be archiving the nomination. --Laser brain (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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