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Administrators' newsletter – April 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

Administrator changes

• Kbdank71
• Kosack
• NrDg
• TLSuda

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.

Technical news

• The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

• An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".

Miscellaneous

• Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.

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Tech News: 2024-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Users of the reading accessibility beta feature will notice that the default line height for the standard and large text options has changed. [1]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 April. It will be on all wikis from 4 April (calendar). [2][3]

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation has an annual plan. The annual plan decides what the Wikimedia Foundation will work on. You can now read the draft key results for the Product and Technology department. They are suggestions for what results the Foundation wants from big technical changes from July 2024 to June 2025. You can comment on the talk page.

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MediaWiki message delivery 03:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

On 8 February 1993, Iran Air Tours Flight 962, a Tupolev Tu-154, collided in mid-air with an Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft near the Iranian capital of Tehran

On 8 February 1993, Iran Air Tours Flight 962, a Tupolev Tu-154, collided in mid-air with an Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft near the Iranian capital of Tehran 2.191.133.103 (talk) 11:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

خبر مرگت اول برو خوب مطالعه کن تو خود ویکیپدیا سوانح هوایی ایران بعد بیا ادعای دونستن از شیر مرغ تا جون آدمیزاد بکن ۱۹۹۳ یک فروند سوخو-۲۴ نیروی هوایی ایران با توپولف-۱۵۴ هواپیمایی ایران ایرتور برخورد کرد و ۱۳۴ کشته برجا گذاشت. سوخو با برخورد به دم هواپیمای مسافربری با چرخش زیاد حول محور عمودی به حالت سقوط مطلق در می‌آید. دم هواپیمای توپولف کنده شده و عده‌ای با صندلیهایشان به آسمان پرتاب می‌شوند. در این حادثه اشتباه خلبان سوخو دلیل بروز سانحه اعلام شد. در ۳ فروردین ۱۳۹۰ خورشیدی یک جنگنده سوخو-۲۴ در استان فارس سقوط کرد که ۲ خلبانش از هواپیما بیرون پریدن که چتر یکی از آنان باز نشد که منجر به مرگ آن خلبان شد. در در ۲۴ تیر ۱۳۹۳ خورشیدی، ساعت ۹:۲۰ دقیقه صبح در حوالی روستای قشقاوی در کنار دریاچه بختگان در دهستان خیر از توابع شهرستان استهبان، یک فروند سوخو -۲۴ متعلق به نیروی هوایی ایران سقوط کرد. خلبانان این جنگنده پیش از وقوع این سانحه، با موفقیت ایجکت کردند و هر دو نفر در سلامت کامل با چتر نجات فرود آمدند 2.191.133.103 (talk) 11:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

And what would you like me to do with this information? - ZLEA _T\^C 14:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2024-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Web browsers can use tools called extensions. There is now a Chrome extension called Citation Needed which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English.
• A new Edit Recovery feature has been added to all wikis, available as a user preference. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the project talk page. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
• Initial results of Edit check experiments have been published. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at the wikis that tested it. Let us know if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [4][5]
• Readers using the Minerva skin on mobile will notice there has been an improvement in the line height across all typography settings. [6]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar). [7][8]
• New accounts and logged-out users will get the visual editor as their default editor on mobile. This deployment is made at all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. [9]

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Tech News: 2024-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "Reverted" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [10][11]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar). [12][13]
• Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [14]
• A new variable page_last_edit_age will be added to abuse filters. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [15]

Future changes

• Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. Learn more.
• Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including Quarry). This affects only the abuse_filter and abuse_filter_history tables. Some queries might need to be updated. [16]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Will you help in an infobox

@ZLEA, I've added all units that I were to add in Template:Israel–Hamas war infobox, but it seems kinda squished, tried multiple times to fix it, couldn't, will ya please help, anyways thanks for your kind behaviour that you showed by fixing my USERBOX M Waleed (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

all these units were taken from other articles of the battles, I wrote in edit summary, of you ask for the source of these units M Waleed (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

M Waleed Is there a discussion that led to the addition of these units to the infobox? Personally, I think the conflict has grown to the point where it might not be feasible to include a complete list of units in the infobox, and it might be better to move the list to the Israel–Hamas war article itself. That said, you might also consider creating a content fork, perhaps titled List of units involved in the Israel–Hamas war. Whatever you decide, you should probably discuss it first at Talk:Israel–Hamas war. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I put the units in a collapsible format and I think it should be placed as all of the idf is not involved, M Waleed (talk) 00:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

To answer your question, the infobox otherwise looks fine on my device. May I ask what your screen resolution is? I'll see if I can replicate the problems you are having. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

the problem is that the titles, Israel Hezbollah conflict and red sea crisis, instead of being in the back start from middle M Waleed (talk) 00:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I see it now. It was caused by a misplaced "}}" which ended the "Inavsion of Gaza Strip:" bullet list after the "Red sea crisis:" section. It is fixed now. Let me know if you find any other issues. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot M Waleed (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@ZLEA, I might sound a bit annoying but can you also fix the units on the side of Hamas, the collapsed list has its title hidden, I Mean it doesn't show up , only [Show] comes but not the title, moreover what I may add is that while you're at it also use the small template for Hamas units as well as units on other fronts. M Waleed (talk) 14:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

M Waleed No problem. It's fixed now, but I did notice a link to the Lone Wolf disambiguation page among the list of armed groups. Is this referring to a group called the "Lone Wolves"? If so, then the link should be changed to reflect that, even if no article currently exists (for example, Lone Wolves (Palestinian group) or similar). However, if it's referring to lone individuals not affiliated with any group, then it probably should not be grouped with actual armed groups. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

It's referring to Non affiliates and there are many articles of such lone wolf attacks I can provide in a second. M Waleed (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

2024 Ra'anana attack 2024 Kiryat Malakhi attack etc are examples of lone wolf attacks in this war M Waleed (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

M Waleed Unaffiliated individuals should probably be listed separately from armed groups. Perhaps they could be listed in their own section like the Palestine Police currently is. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay I'll do so M Waleed (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Moreover also convert the size of individual units of Hamas and those of Other theatres to small size M Waleed (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done - ZLEA _T\^C 15:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks M Waleed (talk) 15:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia will be encouraged to try structured tasks. Structured tasks have been shown to improve newcomer activation and retention. [17]
• You can nominate your favorite tools for the fifth edition of the Coolest Tool Award. Nominations will be open until May 10.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 April. It will be on all wikis from 25 April (calendar). [18][19]

Future changes

• This is the last warning that by the end of May 2024 the Vector 2022 skin will no longer share site and user scripts/styles with old Vector. For user-scripts that you want to keep using on Vector 2022, copy the contents of Special:MyPage/vector.js to Special:MyPage/vector-2022.js. There are more technical details available. Interface administrators who foresee this leading to lots of technical support questions may wish to send a mass message to your community, as was done on French Wikipedia. [20]

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The Signpost: 25 April 2024

• In the media: Censorship and wikiwashing looming over RuWiki, edit wars over San Francisco politics and another wikirace on live TV

• News and notes: A sigh of relief for open access as Italy makes a slight U-turn on their cultural heritage reproduction law

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Tech News: 2024-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.

• The appearance of talk pages changed for the following wikis: Azerbaijani Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, Persian Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia, Korean Wikipedia, Dutch Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Romanian Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, Turkish Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia, Vietnamese Wikipedia. These wikis participated to a test, where 50% of users got the new design, for one year. As this test gave positive results, the new design is deployed on these wikis as the default design. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at all wikis in the coming weeks. [21]
• Seven new wikis have been created:
  • a Wikipedia in Betawi (w:bew:) [22]
  • a Wikipedia in Kusaal (w:kus:) [23]
  • a Wikipedia in Igala (w:igl:) [24]
  • a Wiktionary in Karakalpak (wikt:kaa:) [25]
  • a Wikisource in Burmese (s:my:) [26]
  • a Wikisource in Malay (s:ms:) [27]
  • a Wikisource in Georgian (s:ka:) [28]
• You can now watch message groups/projects on Translatewiki.net. Initially, this feature will notify you of added or deleted messages in these groups. [29]
• Dark mode is now available on all wikis, on mobile web for logged-in users who opt into the advanced mode. This is the early release of the feature. Technical editors are invited to check for accessibility issues on wikis. See more detailed guidelines.

Problems

• Kartographer maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using mapstyle="osm". This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed. [30]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar). [31][32]

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MediaWiki message delivery 03:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2024).

Administrator changes

Nyttend

• JohnOwens
• Killiondude
• MelanieN
• Nihonjoe

Bureaucrat changes

Nihonjoe

CheckUser changes

Joe Roe

Oversight changes

GeneralNotability

Guideline and policy news

• Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.

Technical news

• Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Conflict of interest management has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• This may be a good time to reach out to potential nominees to ask if they would consider an RfA.
• A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in May 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 15,000 articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!
• Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) election is open until 9 May 2024. Read the voting page on Meta-Wiki and cast your vote here!

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Tech News: 2024-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.

• The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [33][34]
• Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the SiteAdminHelper. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [35]
• Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [36]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [37][38]
• When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [39]

Future changes

• A new service will be built to replace Extension:Graph. Details can be found in the latest update regarding this extension.
• Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "Add a link". This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias. These communities can activate and configure the feature locally. [40]

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MediaWiki message delivery 16:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 217, May 2024

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 and Nick-D look at a diverse range of works Op-ed: Hawkeye7 on the "center of gravity"

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Tech News: 2024-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word __EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__ to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [41]
• If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template (what's this?)" will now also work without reloading the page. [42]
• Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the alt= attribute. This is identical in usage to the alt= attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [43]
• The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [44]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [45][46]
• The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [47]

Future changes

• In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [48]
• Two columns of the pagelinks database table (pl_namespace and pl_title) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new linktarget table instead (lt_namespace and lt_title). In your existing SQL queries:
  1. Replace JOIN pagelinks with JOIN linktarget and pl_ with lt_ in the ON statement
  2. Below that add JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id
  • See phab:T222224 for technical reasoning. [49][50]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 May 2024

• News and notes: Democracy in action: multiple elections

• Special report: Will the new RfA reform come to the rescue of administrators?

• Arbitration report: Ruined temples for posterity to ponder over – arbitration from '22 to '24

• In the media: Deadnames on the French Wikipedia, and a duel between Russian wikis

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Tech News: 2024-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [51]
• New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [52][53]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar). [54][55]
• The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see T365107 and T365119.
• In March 2024 a new addPortlet API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and give feedback.
• Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes: .collapsible, .multicol, .reflist, .coordinates, .topicon. Further details are available on replacement CSS if it is needed.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar). [56][57]
• When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [58]

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy

Hey, I was just wondering, I found out that the Mini Guppy article has been deleted, and have found your sandbox for it, are you intending to improve it to meet GNG or are using it for other articles A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

A-37Dragonfly I plan on improving it with sources from my university's library. If I can't adequately do that, then I plan on incorporating it into an existing article (in fact, I would not be opposed to merging all Aero Spacelines Guppy aircraft into a single article). I have yet to get to it as the past few weeks have been crazy for me, so if you wish to work on it, feel free to do so. I consider my sandbox open to all who wish to contribute. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I do not plan on helping right now, but I am happy to know it is being worked on as I really like the Guppy line of planes. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Same here. I remember when I first saw the prototype Super Guppy at the Pima Air & Space Museum when I was 10 years old. That was the first time I had heard of or seen the Guppy line, and I want to spot N941NA the next time it flies to Florida. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm planning to eventually go there one day, but that's gonna be a little difficult as I'm on the other side of the country, nice to see someone else who likes the Guppy line as much as I do A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Not trying to spam your notifications or bug you, but I have this one article I made that I want deleted as I think doesn't meet GNG and doesnt have reliable sources Henschel Projekt P.75. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I know of quite a few sources that might have some information on the P.75. I'll be sure to check them out when I go for the Mini Guppy sources. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help :) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

A-37Dragonfly I was able to find some sources for the Mini Guppy. I did not find any for the Henschel P.75, though I now realize that I might have been looking in the wrong places, so I will not give up hope on that one just yet. - ZLEA _T\^C 20:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, it's fine if you can't find many sources on the P.75, as there is a massive sea of WW2 German wind-tunnel designs that never flew, theres actually a website that has them all: Luft46.com, (could'nt add link because its pretty old) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Theres also List of German aircraft projects, 1939–1945 A-37Dragonfly (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Luft46.com is known to perpetuate debunked myths about German wunderwaffe. It is on the list of common aviation sources to avoid, as is Military Factory. I'm not saying the P.75 is one of those myths, but Luft46.com should not be used as a source for the article. I'll keep looking for sources, but you might want to WP:PROD the article in the meantime. - ZLEA _T\^C 23:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I didnt know Luft46 was, but after I put up the P.75 article, I found out military factory was unreliable, but i didnt know how to PROD it, I still dont know, could you help PROD it? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I've PRODED the article. I've also restored Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I just saw your PROD attempts. You might want to try Twinkle. It greatly simplifies PRODing, reverting vandalism, and many other otherwise tedious tasks. - ZLEA _T\^C 03:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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