User talk:Worldbruce/Archive 4

Request on 12:59:41, 12 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Anikesh Majumder

• Anikesh Majumder (talk · contribs)
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Hi Worldbruce

Hope you are doing well!

Why my article QOIE has not been accepted and please assist what should I do so that this article can be reviewed again?

Thanks & regards Anikesh

Anikesh Majumder (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Anikesh Majumder: My analysis is that the company has not received deep coverage that is not based on a press release, nor coverage over a period of time. Therefore it is not notable and does not belong in Wikipedia as the subject of a stand alone article. No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Wikipedia may not be used for advertising, promotion, or public relations. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations.--Worldbruce (talk) 14:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Helpful script

Hi! I noticed you had been tagging lots of draft articles with WikiProjects. I actually have a script that lets you do that, instead of navigating to the talk page first: User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter. Let me know what you think! Enterprisey (talk!) 01:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Enterprisey, I know the script well, recommend it to others, and use it for some tagging.

Its greatest drawback is that it doesn't recognize WikiProject Biography, which is what many drafts are. My recollection is a bit hazy, but I think you're using someone else's list of projects, and they omit Biography because their list is used in the post-acceptance project assignment step at AfC. There it's undesirable to have it in the project list because for an article we want to take advantage of the intricate syntax of {{WikiProject Biography}} and set the living and listas parameters. Consequently, during post-acceptance the addition of WikiProject Biography is driven by a checkbox and a series of fields rather than by typing in the "Add WikiProjects" box.

For drafts, perhaps 80% of which will never be accepted, it isn't clear that the extra time to use all the power of WikiProject Biography is worth it. Quickly slapping on template WikiProject Biography is sufficient for reviewers to find or avoid biographies, according to their tastes.

Some other projects are missing too: Military history is the largest, but I've also noticed Classical music and Concerts. I've heard anecdotal reports that one or more projects don't like drafts tagged with their template, which might be why some are missing, but no one has ever named those "touchy" projects, and no one has ever complained to me. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the script to merge the existing list with a new one from another one of my tools. It should have a lot more projects listed now, and let me know if there are any more that you definitely want added. Enterprisey (talk!) 04:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

New batch of film lists

Hi Worldbruce. Did you notice that all the deleted lists have been recreated? I'm preparing a bundled AFD of all those that are splits from List of Bangladeshi films. I'm in the process of cleaning it up now and putting data back. Sam Sailor 18:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Yes, I noticed. At least one was put up for CSD G10 by Vinegarymass911, but speedy deletion was declined on the grounds that the split of a large list is ineligble. I'm not convinced that the by-year lists are necessary, but on the plus side they were recreated by an editor other than out-of-control মাখামাখি, the missing attributions can be fixed, and Vinegarymass911 renamed them to avoid the anachronism of describing films made in East Pakistan as "Bangladeshi" long before Bangladesh existed, which was one of my principal objections. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

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Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy

Hi, Worldbruce. In trying to clean up (thanks, PeerBaba) a section of Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy, I realized that the last paragraph, whose sentences I had copyedited, did not seem to hang together as a logical narrative (if it ever had).

I have referred to the paragraph's (poorly) cited sources, which link to biographies of Iskander Mirza and Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy at Story Of Pakistan a multimedia journey. Those biographies did not contain the narrative cited in that last paragraph.

As I am no subject expert, and noticing your recent edit at the Iskander Mirza Talk page, I wonder if you might take a look at that problematic paragraph I mention above with an eye to its making more sense and being properly referenced. Thanks--Quisqualis (talk) 19:27, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Banglapedia

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Banglapedia. Thanks.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 23:47, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

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		Thank you for all your help with Resource Requests!Zigzig20s (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

linking

Hi, when you create an article about Parliamentary constituencies of Bangladesh, Please link that with bengali wikipedia's article. e.g Bhola-4 should be connected to bn:ভোলা-৪ (জাতীয় সংসদের নির্বাচনী এলাকা). --আফতাব (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Good idea. It can be done in Wikidata. It isn't one of my top priorities, but I'll do it periodically in batches, perhaps when I complete a district. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for informative reply! Rjstephan WP (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Worldbruce , Need some clarificaton on references for a new Wikipedia Artcile

Hi Worldbruce, I got a chance to look at a comment on draft:Nelson Dilipkumar. I can understand that a wikipedia page cannot be added as a reference for a new article since they are user-generated. But I have added 5 other references to the article which are external links and those links are also references for some other wikipedia pages. If it was accepted as a reliable source earlier, why not now. And can you please give your valuable time on looking into my article and help me to classify which of them are not reliable and which sources can be reliable.

As a beginner, I am really confused as there is no one particular person to get help from. I am hoping I will get some help from you. Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaranyaRethas (talk • contribs) 09:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@SaranyaRethas: Both references and external links can link to URLs outside Wikipedia, but there's a huge difference in how they're treated. First, external links are forbidden in the running text of an article:

In CinemaExpress, blah blah blah.

In CinemaExpress, blah blah blah.

So you've taken the draft in the wrong direction by adding external links to the text. Second, reviewers looking for references will ignore anything placed in the "External links" section. What you're telling people by placing links there is that they are not references. In reply to your earlier question at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#14:10:41, 9 March 2018 review of submission by SaranyaRethas, I explained at length the best way to add references. Read that. Follow the links you've been given and study the material they lead to. Ninety percent of editing Wikipedia is reading, not writing.

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of the draft being accepted; Dilipkumar simply hasn't done anything notable yet. You can return to the topic in a few years when his career is further along. In the meantime, the above explains what you're doing wrong with regard to referencing. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:19, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

References

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Replied at User talk:Seraphim System#Resource Request: Major rulings of the European Court of Human Rights on Cyprus. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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	Thank you very much for your help and suggestions. FloraSanz (talk) 18:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

It's Never Enough (Mordecai album)

talk:It's Never Enough (Mordecai album) Thank you so much! Sorry for my lack of knowledge on all of this, and thank you for helping me see my mistakes!

Yesterdaysfire (talk) 04:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Jatiyo Sangsad constituencies on Wikidata

Hi @Worldbruce:! Thanks again for contributing as much as you do to Bangladesh-related topics on enwiki! If you are able to do so, please link the pages to Jatiyo Sangsad constituencies that you create to their respective items on Wikidata, given that the equivalent pages about the constituencies on bnwiki already exist. You can find all of the items here. Let me know if you need help with other Wikidata-related matters. mahir256 (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Along the lines of my reply to Aftabuzzaman above, I am aware of the Wikidata task. With only a quarter of the constituencies done, my priority is finishing the other three-quarters. Linking them in Wikidata isn't something I'll be doing in the next few weeks, but if no one else does it first, I'll do it periodically. I anticipate that all of them will be done before the end of the year. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:38, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, wow, sorry for not noticing Aftab's reminder. Thank you for at least being aware of the need to do so! mahir256 (talk) 03:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Flag

Hi, I've noticed that you are an AfC reviewer but don't yet have the New Page Reviewer flag. Can you please head over to PERM and request it? Please mention that you are an active AfC reviewer in your application.
As part of a larger plan to increase cooperation between New Page Patrol and Articles for creation, we are trying to get as many of the active AfC reviewers as possible under the NPR user flag (per this discussion). Unlike the AfC request list, the NPR flag carries no obligation to review new articles, so I'm not asking you to help out at New Page Patrol if you don't want to, just to request the flag.
Of course, if NPP is something you would be interested in, you can have a look at the NPP tutorial.

Thanks Legacypac (talk) 06:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia talk:The future of NPP and AfC#further discussion --Worldbruce (talk) 03:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

A page you started (Kushtia-2) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Kushtia-2, Worldbruce!

Wikipedia editor JSFarman just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

I just started reviewing new pages. I was very excited to see your username, and know before even loading the article that I could hit the check mark without any fear of making a mistake. Phew. Thanks for the timing.  :)

To reply, leave a comment on JSFarman's talk page.

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JSFarman (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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	Thanks for the help on this, the article is on page 12 of that edition of the Star.The article is also published in the Polish Millers book on p133. The page number is visible at the top lhs. Czar Jowlier Tope (talk) 18:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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Redundant tags added via draft-sorter.js

Hi. This edit added redundant WikiProject banners (and failed to add the BLP flag for the WikiProject Biography banner). I'm not sure if this is a bug of the script used, but if it is, you might want to raise it with the script's creator/maintainer. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul 012, I've undone my edit. The redundancy was my fault, I was working through a long list too quickly. [Shameless recruitment plug: You would be a valuable addition to the pool of reviewers at Articles for creation sorting the grain from the chaff among drafts]. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Updated draft

Worldbruce

How are you? A.s.o.G. here regarding a draft you reviewed on the artistDraft:Qmoog(Musician). My Colleague Neypar9 and I were able to locate two radio interviews in which the artist is featured and cited them as well a few other sources. If you wouldn't mind, please take another look at the draft. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neypar9 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Neypar9: When I've declined a draft, I don't review it again at AfC if it's resubmitted. This policy gives authors the benefit of a fresh look by a reviewer who may have different strengths. Interviews with the artist will not help demonstrate the notability of Draft:Qmoog(Musician). In clarifying what is independent coverage, the notability guideline for musicians explicitly excludes "Any ... publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves." --Worldbruce (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Worldbruce, for helping my article get accepted. I do intend to create the next lists based on this one, so I will follow your advice and have a look around Wikipedia to find inspiration to improve this one. Cheers EddyPieHands (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hey Worldbruce, you are doing an amazing job with the constituencies. At this pace I think you will be able to complete them all. I am trying get Kazi Nazrul Islam into good article standard. I would appreciate any and all help, especially with citations and formatting. Thank You.

Vinegarymass911 (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Gary Stevenson Page

Hi Worldbruce - Thank you for your feedback on the Gary Stevenson page. The cited source provides that Gary is 61 years old, which means he was either born in 1956 or 1957 (he was born in 1956, but in any event, the current age range is inaccurate based on the source). I don't know of another source identifying his birth year as 1956 specifically, but if I do find one, I will update again. For the time being, I will insert the year of birth possibilities based on the source. KRedfoot (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2018 (UTC) KRedfoot

@KRedfoot: That's fine. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:31, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Abidullah Ansari Page

Hi Worldbruce - can u tell me how to change the title of a page? Abidullah Ansari(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Abidullah Ansari: On Wikipedia, a page is renamed by moving it to a new name, see Wikipedia:Moving a page for how. --Worldbruce (talk) 12:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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For extra assistance at Resource Request

Thanks for going the extra mile (kilometer? eight kilometers!) in finding additional news articles about the Tangshan earthquake. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Re: Declaration of Connection

Hello Worldbruce, Thank you for your response. It was very helpful. Yes, I am a paid user that was hired as an independent contractor by an agency to publish a general page for this athlete and other athletes and businesses, which are coming soon. I would very much like to follow the guidelines with respect to the Wiki community, and I am in no means attempting to over-promote any athlete or business or be involved in any "Black hat SEO" practices. I am just a newbie making newbie mistakes. However, it appears that I did not have a user profile set up, so I created one with the required disclosure. Can you please review my article for Jason Khalipa(Athlete)?

I have a couple general questions as well. Do I need to create a new disclosure for every person/business in the same format that hires me to write their wikipedia page? What else should be on my user profile? Is that also a page for me where I should add my information? Am I allowed to create my own page? Lastly, how do I get cool stuff tagged to my page like you have? Patrick.Loera (talk) 21:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the PS

I don't remember creating that article, but it's always nice to see others like my editing. (Sometimes I wonder.) I think the lede may need to get trimmed. I'm not really interested in this topic, so I'll let you improve/expand the article if you want.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

New article rewrite, edits and references: Richard J Marks

Hi Worldbruce, thanks for your attention, and for your patience, too. (Earlier today, I was trying to make fixes on an iPhone, but I recognize that it is much more effective to be working on a real computer). I sat down calmly this evening, and rewrote the opening completely, using good source references that exist, the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Marks

The "early life" portion had to be cut, per your notations about the subject's family and his notable paternal uncle, for which external references simply aren't coming up anywhere (i.e. that they are relatives). They come up in the kinds of genealogy sites that can't be used here, (but not elsewhere, such as obituaries). I know that no two articles can be compared, but this was included insofar as many articles do cite people's family/ancestry without references. In any case, there's no major loss on that front. The more focused, important edits have been to the opening, and career, which is both shortened and more succinct, by the fact of having to eliminate the subject's early career (CNN accreditation and Cable Ace Award -- a reference that was difficult to locate, since the timeframe precedes the mainstream use of the Internet. I called CNN today to see if there was a way to that information, to verify; as expected, they do not give references for their journalists (due to possible lawsuit issues, etc.). This subject, as a journalist, was known to have been at CNN at a time in its history (throughout the OJ Simpson case) that precedes the time in which the public widely used the Internet for breaking news (people turned then to CNN cable news) -- so although Marks is listed in several places around the Internat as a producer from start to finish of the OJ Simpson case, CNN has no written record of this that could be used. So it has been cut. Similarly, National Geographic as an "early career" mention was cut, as no independent source exists (outside of a biography located online). The main thing is that the subject is a bona fide journalist and convener who is notable for his work in China and US in high-profile initiatives and pioneering campaigns for the environment. Worth the effort here. Many thanks for helping make this a good article with good references. The Green Salon and the International Earth Forum remain well-referenced, with sources readily at-hand. Thank you! Lettucecup (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)Lettucecup

Hi Worldbruce -- I'd like to warrant a good editorial resolution here for writing about a journalist (and notably, an environmental convener). It'll help me in writing articles in future too, as I am interested in journalists and their histories, as well as their contributions to society.

First, thanks for the advice and for your editing. (I'm certainly very willing to be a partner here, to improve it as best I can, and not leave it to others.)

Second, I am reticent -- right now -- to add content or context that was in prior drafts, that makes the piece interesting. Thus I went through and deleted unneeded references, at your request.

Hopeful that the existing references now clearly provide the minimum WP:THREE ... and they ought to: Newsweek, LinkTV, ChinaDaily, The Atlantic, Washington Life, Best of DC are referenced to articles about the subject's role in the energy-environment convenings. Other references to key public documents for convenings (DOE, SISC China, and Webby Awards 2000) remain in the list as they may be the only references that remain and have not yet disappeared).

Third, you rewrote the text for US Department of Energy. While the edit/cuts mirrors the existing reference (in which the subject is credited in a peer review report), it gives the absolute conclusion that the subject's only and primary communications role, in a full-time position (year-long) during the Recovery Act, was to organize materials for a 3-day peer review. That's misleading, and I think it's unfair to the subject. I have carefully looked at the report. From it, I added the nature of the role to the peer review, as is true, that the subject was a federal contractor, and established context re: the era (Recovery Act of 2009); and cited directly from the report that the formal peer review was "conducted by" DOE's Geothermal Technologies Program (GTP).

Lastly ... and I feel this is important (it's where this person's career began as an accredited journalist): the subject was indeed a broadcast CNN journalist. In this process of verifying references, it became a major omission. As I noted earlier, is not referenced in an article, and CNN does not verify anyone not on-air (such as producers), given that it is broadcast cable television, not print. How can we do it well? To be fair to this article and subject, I'd like to replace it.

Thanks, and have a good week. I'll try to edit once more this evening. Lettucecup (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)Lettucecup

Declared Connection

Hi Wordbruce,

Thanks for the quick response to my query. I have just declared that I am employed by ComeOn, I must have missed this when setting up my account (I promise there was no black hat strategy involved, I think my user name would have failed me anyway lol). Just wanted to confirm that it's ok to re-submit now?

Thanks, Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaeldaviscomeon (talk • contribs) 15:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Michaeldaviscomeon: Thank you for your declaration. What I wrote in answer to your question at the AfC help desk still applies. The cited sources appear to be non-independent or to fail WP:CORPDEPTH, which is explicit about what counts as trivial coverage. Unless you can replace the draft's sources with better ones, I wouldn't re-submit. I don't see a snowball's chance in hell of this being accepted as an article, but you're welcome to re-submit if you want a third opinion. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the disambiguation help!

Never would have figured it out myselfChip.berlet (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Article on Manisha Chakraborty

Hi Worldbruce, I have noticed that you are interested on articles related to Bangladeshi Politics. Therefore, I have a question for you regarding an article on a Bangladeshi politician from Barisal with the name Mansiha Chakraborty. She has got significant coverage by the major newspapers of Bangladesh and is the first female mayoral candidate for Barisal City Corporation. However, the article was nominated for speedy deletion and later got deleted. Vinegarymass911 mentioned that we do not have articles on candidates and therefore the article was deleted. Do you also agree to this generalized comment on notability for politicians? Thanks in advance! --Kaisernahid (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kaisernahid. To say that candidates are non-notable would be an oversimplification, but it often works that way in practice. Manisha Chakraborty was deleted for being "unambiguous advertising or promotion". If it is not your goal to promote her, then you shouldn't care whether an article is created now or after the election. If she is elected, she's more likely to be viewed as notable, although mayors are not automatically assumed to be notable. They have to demonstrate notability through significant coverage. There's an assumption that every candidate, no matter how unimportant the office or hopeless the candidate, receives a certain amount of coverage, and elected local officials must exceed that routine level to justify an encyclopedia article.

A project I'm working on is writing an article about the office, Mayor of Barisal. I've had a hard time finding enough material to show that the office is notable, let alone that any holders of it are notable. If you can supply any reliable sources about Awlad Hossain Dilu's tenure as acting mayor while Sarwar was under arrest, I would be most grateful. If you're interested in Barisal politics, why not write an article on Mujibur Rahman Sarwar, the first mayor, who was also a Member of Parliament, so assumed to be notable? Or you could improve Barisal City Corporation or even Barisal. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I am not in general interested in Barisal politics. I have only recently got interested because of the increased coverage of this topic in the news media. I am getting a sense that if I created the article on Manisha Chakraborty after the election, then irrespective of the outcome of the election, the article may not have been deleted. Anyway, I have Barisal City Corporation on my TODO list. Thanks for your response. --Kaisernahid (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

All the sources covered her in the context of the election which would be considered routine coverage. I agree with what Worldbruce has said here. You could take a look at this article:Mayor of Barisal City.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Request on 00:31:13, 31 July 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Kwametalks

• Kwametalks (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Phrimpong (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

If I am right, your point suggest Ghanaweb.com as the most reliable and independent page for my referencing and I can't comprehend. Is it the time its been in existence or the "tracking" of articles from different sources to feed their portal?

Kwametalks (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Past examinations have found that Ghana Web is published under editorial oversight and has a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. Is your position that it isn't reliable? You may be right. On closer examination I see that this particular page is editorial content attributed to sirarticle.blogspot.com, which is not a news blog of theirs, but a self-published blog written by someone who is not a expert in the field previously published by reliable third-party publications. So I was mistaken. I thought the draft had one decent source, but it has none. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Humayun Azad's writings

@WB, Humayun Azad was an atheist writer from Bangladesh (a poor and conservative Muslim-majority country), Azad had tried to remove all kind of conservatism (including sexual taboos) from the country writing books like Aloukik Ishtimar, Kobi Othoba Dondito Aupurush and Ekti Khuner Swapna, please don't try to delete the pages, I want to publicize his writings (article about the books have already been written in Bengali Wikipedia). Fayaz Rahman (talk) 07:53, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

WB, the articles will be deleted, I want to have them delete, I was the main author (failing to add enough source and also the books are not popular). Fayaz Rahman (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Spicy Onion part deux

Hi W, just to follow up on the Spicy Onion query at WP:ICTF, your evaluations were correct--no obvious editorial standard, no presumption of fact-checking or accuracy, etc. Many of these sorts of references are no-brainers and you can basically tell by looking at them that they all follow the same general cookie-cutter blog shape. A rough list of sites that are/are not considered reliable can be found at WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources, and a more detailed list can be found at WP:ICTFFAQ. However the human eyes are sometimes the best gauge: if it looks like a blog, kill it with fire. Many of these sorts of sites simply scrape information from other sources. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Objection to redirect of The North Jefferson News

I have been away from Wikipedia and did not see the deletion request for The North Jefferson News. If I had, I would have certainly objected. The nominator merely said it fails WP:GNG but gave no supporting evidence whatsoever. The NJN is a weekly newspaper that is part of the CNHI chain, and other weeklies within that chain have articles. This newspaper has been in business for nearly half a century, and the article about it has been around for nine years with only a quickly-removed PROD that was not acted upon further.

If there is away to object to this redirect after the deadline, I wish to do so now. I see no way in which this newspaper fails GNG. (By the way, I retired two years ago, though I still do freelance work, and I no longer have any association with this newspaper.) Realkyhick (talk) 04:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Realkyhick. You're an old hand, so I don't need to tell you that swaying consensus takes arguments based on policies and guidelines. I don't mean to come across as teaching grandmother to suck eggs, but I don't know how active you've been at AfD recently, so:

• The nominator presented the article as evidence. It cited a single source, one that isn't significant coverage and doesn't appear to be a reliable source. The nominator also said they performed a WP:BEFORE, a good-faith effort to find reliable, independent sources containing significant coverage that could be used to pass WP:GNG, and were unable to find such sources.
• The fact that articles exist about similar newspapers is not relevant. See Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#What about article x? and the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Most of those similar newspapers probably shouldn't have articles either.
• The age of a subject is generally irrelevant to whether the subject is notable, see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Subject age. You may be able to argue that being in business for nearly 50 years is a "significant history" that should satisfy criterion #2 of Wikipedia:Notability (media)#Newspapers, magazines and journals, but "significant history" is vague, and will mean different things in different people's minds.
• The age of the article is irrelevant to whether it should be kept, see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age.

There are ways to object to a redirection as a result of a deletion discussion, they are outlined in Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? The best way to change an outcome, however, is to come up with really strong sources that demonstrate notability. The article has only been redirected, so you are welcome to spin it out again if you identify such sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm an old hand, but not nearly as active as an editor as I used to be. I think the fact that The North Jefferson News has served its community for nearly 50 years is probably enough on its own to prove notability, even more so since The Birmingham News, once the dominant metro newspaper, has cut back its coverage in that area significantly. I did a quick Google search on Wikipedia itself and found at least a dozen times when The North Jefferson News was cited as a source, probably more (I stopped after a dozen). Full disclosure: I wrote many of the stories cited, since I was the primary reporter there since the time the NJN went online until I retired two years ago. So my question now is, how do I restore the article after it has gone through an AfD, though that AfD was only commented on by you and the original nominator? Realkyhick (talk) 21:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Humayun Azad's photo

@WB, please see the profile picture of Humayun Azad article, should the previous versions of this picture be deleted?. Fayaz Rahman (talk) 04:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

I've uploaded a photo of that man in wikimedia commons, will that be deleted or not?. Fayaz Rahman (talk) 04:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

The image is copyrighted, and you aren't the photographer, so it will be deleted from commons. I think a bot will take care of any previous versions on Wikipedia, and you don't need to do anything about them. The current image, shot from a low angle, with high contrast, and something in the background at the upper left, is unflattering. Some crop or other version of [1] would be better. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Frank Leslie's on Gale

Hello, I was wondering how did you get access to the pages here? Can you send me the link? I just got access to Gale. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

At the time, I was at a library that provided access, so there isn't a link I can send you. Gale, like all the large players, is divided into many subscription packages, so there's no guarantee that the Gale you have access to will include Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper, but it's a starting point for searchers. My best guess is that it was in their "19th Century U.S. Newspapers" collection. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Done with wiki editing.

Wanna block me? Go ahead. As if I cared. People like you make the wiki stupid. Get a life! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imroz Shahriar (talk • contribs) 14:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Declaration issue: User: Sharath RK Teja

Hi Bruce, Thanks for calling out the problem. I work for the company that owns grptalk app, which I forgot to mention only because I'm new to Wikipedia edits thing. It wasn't intentional. I wish to rectify the mistake and need your help in doing so. Thanks, Sharath — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharath RK Teja (talk • contribs) 06:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Sharath RK Teja: The place to declare you connection is User:Sharath RK Teja. Complete details are in or linked to from User talk:Sharath RK Teja#Declare any connection. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, Worldbruce. Thank you again for your help at WP:REREQ. It's much appreciated. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

About Bengali population

Hi could you please mention the total Bengali population with credible source. Their 300 million is mentioned made by a politician. Also if possible try to develop the article.--203.163.242.122 (talk) 05:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

If this is in reference to Bengali language, Ethnologue is the gold standard for this sort of information, the most reliable, reputable, credible source there is. You will see them cited in Wikipedia's articles on individual languages and in List of languages by total number of speakers. The latter does a good job of showing the number of native speakers (242.6 million) and of those who speak it as a second language (19.2 million).

There's an old joke, "How can you tell if a politician is lying? — Their lips are moving." Politicians are not experts in most of the things they talk about, and usually have an agenda - a reason to spin the story in such a way as to sway their audience. Bengali is an important world language. In the speech you allude to, the politician is trying to convince people that it's a more important language than listeners have previously thought. Is 261.8 million "nearly 300 million"? Well, yes, if you're rounding to the nearest hundred million. Otherwise it's an exaggeration. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I have no problem with the source please check Bengalis article and tell me which source is appropriate for "Total population" figure in the infobox. I not talking about the Bengali Language article, I would like to know your view about the Bengali ethnic group article. Also please develop the Bengali people article.--116.72.131.164 (talk) 14:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Please give your view about ethnic Bengalis article.--115.96.154.109 (talk) 05:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I'll look into those when I have time, but many other things demand my attention, so it may not be for a few months or years. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

One user - one account

Hello Worldbruce, This is with respect to the talk that you posted on my talk page (link here)

Neither I've used multiple accounts nor coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. The only account I use is the "Sandippradhan86". If you like, you can do IP address check/session Id check/location check on your side. If you find me doing these activities, please block me from editing. I would not have any concern(s).

Thank you --Sandippradhan86 (talk) 03:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Using multiple accounts for advertising

The user Sandippradhan86, after being warned by you for account duplicity, possibly created a new account 'WikiLoneCrusader' at 14:13, 19 October 2018 from a different ip, to revive his advertising material from the article Anukulchandra Chakravarty and remove any criticism from verificable sources. --Charbaka (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Charbaka: If you believe there is behavioral evidence of sockpuppetry, the correct place to report it is WP:SPI. --Worldbruce (talk) 21:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

DownBeat article text

Hi Bruce, re my Resource Exchange request, could you transcribe the part of the April 2000 DownBeat article "Farewell to the quartet" above the text '"Cherokee" and "Don't Blame Me" are masterpieces of improvisational economy ...' into plain text for me? That section is illegible to every OCR program I have access to. The rest of the articles you sent me are fine. Thanks! Graham87 12:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Graham87: No problem, I've emailed you a transcription of the problematic text. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, got it! I assume "attributed to their incredible longevity" should be "contributed to their incredible longevity"? I hadn't encountered that usage of "world music" before, but it makes sense in that context. Graham87 14:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Graham87: The word "attributed" didn't sound right to me either, but that's what the magazine says, so I guess you should put a "[sic]" after it. You're probably right that the word the author wanted was "contributed". --Worldbruce (talk) 01:11, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Sunampur government school head teacher

Hi,

I tried to add some details of the first head teacher of Sunampur government school but not sure how or what to do, please help. Thanks Nizam259 (talk) 13:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Greatest Bengali of all time

With what logic you have deleted 'Greatest Bengali of all time' poll's stat from Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's page? Kindly don't edit anything in Wikipedia expressing your own personal liking or disliking. Thank you. Rh7hd (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rh7hd: The primary reason I removed it was, as stated in the edit summary, that it was added by a chronic sockpuppet here. In accordance with WP:SOCKSTRIKE, the best way of cleaning up their disruption and removing the benefit of violating policy was to undo their edit.

Another reason to remove it is that it was added to the lead, which violates MOS:LEADREL. That problem could have been remedied by moving the information to the body, but there are other good reasons not to include it at all.

As WP:NOTEVERYTHING tells us, "information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true". There are a number of scholarly book-length biographies of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Do any of them mention the BBC radio poll? No. Does any encyclopedia article about him mention it? No. So Wikipedia almost certainly shouldn't mention it either.

As another experienced editor told you on your talk page, it should not be included because it is WP:UNDUE.

A basic principle in Wikipedia is to let the facts speak for themselves. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's actions show readers why he is significant / famous / important. Including his ranking in one radio poll seems to me to cheapen and belittle his accomplishments, reducing him to the level of a housewife's favorite washing powder, or listeners' favorite K-pop band. Perhaps that was the sockpuppet's goal. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: Replying to your points:

1. Someone in the past tried to take off the entire 'Greatest Bengali of all time' page from Wikipedia and put it for deletion process just because he/she doesn't agree with the result. After several weeks of discussion, Wikipedia strongly announced to 'keep' the page (check: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greatest Bengali Of All Time). That proves there is no question about the accuracy of this poll.

2. In the first paragraph, if highest awards, medals, honors given by own governments can be included, there's no question of not letting opinion poll result participated by own nationalities to be included, and which is also organized by one of the top global news medias like BBC.

3. You obviously may not find this poll's result in old books on Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, that's because the poll is very much recent (of 2004). Check the newer writings, you will get it.

4. You wanted to lighten the weight of this poll by comparing it with 'washing powder' and 'k-pop' survey. Kindly check this list Greatest Britons spin-offs. You will find out how many countries around the world followed the basic Greatest Britons poll and organized similar polls in their own countries. Do you still think, those prominent figures included in all those lists are 'cheap'? -- Rh7hd 06:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

More DownBeat article text

Hi Bruce, could you email me the DownBeat article "Lessons from Bags: The Milt Jackson Interview" from the November 1999 issue? I wonder if there'll be any interesting quotes/info I can use from it. Thanks! Graham87 14:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Graham87: I don't have immediate access to DownBeat. In the course of research for my own editing, I make periodic visits to 17 libraries within a thousand kilometer radius. Some of them have DownBeat, but I don't know when I will next be at one that does. Odds are you'll get a faster response by asking at WP:RX. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, fair enough, I'll do that. Graham87 01:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Reverse Logistics Association

I'd like to thank you for your comments about Notability, in regards to my draft page about the Draft:Reverse Logistics Association, and apologize that it took me some time to get back to you. I would also like to apologize if this is not the preferred way to respond to your points, but I thought it was.

It seems that the standard for professional organizations that is in use is not the one outlined in the Notability page, and I would say that this is a good thing.

The Wall Street Journal only has had brief mentions of the organization I have written about, this is true. However, the WSJ only asks for information from recognized experts in a given field. The fact that the Wall Street Journal and Forbes have turned to the Reverse Logistics Association, multiple times, for information, is what should validate the organization as being thought leaders in the field. The proof of the stature of an organization is not solely based on having been profiled in publications. This logic seems to be supported by the pages for other organizations, as well.

I just looked at some of the organizations listed here: List of industry trade groups in the United States. I only looked at National organizations, and I only looked at the first column of “Advertising, Business and Marketing” organizations, representing 13 organizations. (“Ad 2” redirects to American Advertising Federation, so there are only 13 unique organizations there). However, all of the following 10 articles, I would argue, have received less media attention that has the RLA, and have less to point to, in the way of “substantial” coverage.

• American Advertising Federation
• AMC Institute
• American Independent Business Alliance
• Association for Convention Operations Management
• Association of Chamber of Commerce Executives
• Association of National Advertisers
• Center for Audit Quality
• Community Associations Institute
• Compete America

These 10 organizations don’t provide links to any substantial coverage anywhere outside of their own publications. In this very small sample, the RLA has more media coverage than over two-thirds of the organizations’ pages I looked at. A small number of those organizations are able to point to something outside its own publications:

• Association for Information and Image Management - Only has a mention in a guide to trade associations
• Commercial Real Estate Women - Three very short descriptions of the organization creating new chapters, etc.

In short, it would seem that the de facto standard for professional and trade organizations is not as stringent as that which is described on the Notability page.

Either 2/3 of those organizations have to have their pages taken down, or it must be admitted that the standard for trade organizations is not as stringent as the general standard for organizations.

Because the RLA has more evidence for significance than these organizations, I would argue that either the RLA page needs to be allowed, or else these other groups need to have their pages taken down. And I believe that these organizations deserve to have their organizations listed in Wikipedia, not taken down.

I would argue that a different standard should be applied to not-for-profit trade associations than for other organizations. Every adult in the US is a potential customer of a car company or electronics company (or AAA or AARP, etc.) so magazines like to publish articles about them, because people like to read articles about them. For trade associations, however, there is a very small number of people who might be interested in any one organization, so there is no incentive for magazines to publish articles about them. Magazines just don’t write in-depth articles about trade associations the way they do about companies or other groups.

Notability is an important criteria, because it prevents someone from writing an article about their favorite bowling alley. But I would argue that for professional organizations, notability should be based on what an organization has done, not where it has been profiled.

Rontl (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks re: Resource Request

Thanks for providing the pdf of the Zootaxa article that I requested. Jmchutchinson (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Non sequitur

It is 1945.Even in his birth document 1945 is used.So,I will recommend the 1945 year Samir Sadique (talk) 06:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Duplication

On Persecution of Hindus you consolidated duplicate refs but didn't remove duplicated content. Would you please also remove the duplicated content supported by refs numbered 237, 245 & 246? Furthermore, ref 254 & 258 are duplicate, same for 255 & 256, 260 & 262, 261 & 263. Many thanks. - 58.27.134.35 (talk) 11:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not interested in doing that type of editing on that topic at this time. As long as you abide by Wikipedia's terms, conditions, policies, and guidelines, you're welcome to register an account and edit the article yourself, or if you don't wish to register, use {{Edit semi-protected}} on the article's talk page to request specific edits. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:17, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

traded_as issue

Dear Worldbruce, you gave me a task about adding traded_as perameter in infobox. I have looked at this list and added the perameter in some articles from the list. Most of the companies, in that list, are not notable. So, I found only 12 articles in wikipedia. However, let me know about my progress and give me suggestion if I do any wrong. If you have any tast/project/cleaning up work like this, please give me a chance to do the work. I will be very happy to do that.- Rafi (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)