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MaenK.A._Talk 11:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pula requirements

Can you give some details about the Pula requirements and time duration for the various ethnic groups in Kerala? Plz mail me through wikimail. Axxn (talk) 05:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

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These rules were not applicable to you when you were racially abusing others? If you want a "civil discussion", then you should use civilized language. Suresh.Varma.123 (talk) 05:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Facing some problem in Nair

Could you plz add the template I have created to the Nair article. It is not allowing any editing. Axxn (talk) 06:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Muthuraja are Tamil Kshatriya

Muthuraja as Kshatriya.Even the NCERT text book refers to Muthuraja as rulers of Kaveri Delta before the Cholas. Few Sub castes of Muthuraja are Forward Caste & few others sub castes are listed as OBC, however both Forward Caste & Backward Muthuraja are both Kshatriyas. In today's context even the Landowning castes in Tamil Nadu are listed as backward due to political reasons, this includes most Mudaliars & Pillais. Rajkris has not bothered to look at NCERT reference attached in one of my edits of Tamil Kshariya, it has Termed both Muthariars & Cholas as chiefly families.

Muthuraja are Kshatriyas,Even Kshatriya Lodh Rajputs in North are designated as OBC(Shivraj Singh Chauhan the MP chief ministers is an OBC Rajput).Most of the Vellars are also designated as OBC except for a very small group of Vellalars. OBC is not a Varna Categorisation. Lord Krishna belonged to OBC Yadav community.Jats are OBC Kshatriyas in some states,in other states they are fighting for OBC status — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajananand456 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Tamil Kshatriya

Hi,
It is not because someone claim Kshatriya status, he's a Kshatriya. In that case, we should mention all the Tamil castes which claim Kshatriya status.
To claim Kshatriya status, the caste must be recognised by proper, independant historians, scholars as Kshatriya or a ruling, noble caste. This is not at all the case of Thevar; Thevars (ps: do not confuse the caste name with the word thevar/theva/devar/deva) were identified as caste only recently (some centuries ago...), see [1]. Thevars intially served as soldiers of the tamil kings and nobles (the Vellalas) and through their good military services, some of them acquired the right to own lands and became land owners, landlords (this fact is clearly illustrated by the popular Tamil proverb: "Kallar, Maravar, Agamudaiyar slowly became Vellalar"). After the fall of the ancient Tamil order, some of them managed to found their own area of domination, little kingdoms. See this ref [2], read it from page 139 to 149, this scholar clearly tells about their history. Thevars are not considered by proper historians as the heir of the ancient Tamil rulers. Historians consider the top Vellalar subcasted (actually the only true Vellalar) as the scions of the ancient Tamil rulers. See the refs in the Vellalar wiki page (it is me who is writting this artile, i have not finished yet). See the refs in the Thevar wiki, they are not at all good, revealing. Nowadays, most of Thevars are backward people (only a minority of them are landlords), they belong to the BC. Some of them migrated to Bombay, Malaysia (...) and are considered as backward people there (many Thevars used to live in Shanty towns in Bombay). They have many bad way of life; one of the most shocking is marriages between uncles and niece!!!(see [3])... They were not recognised as a respectable caste by the high ranking castes (Brahmins and Vellalas).
BtW, many people are mistaken by equating Kshatriya to Warrior. This is really wrong. Some people use this fake equation to claim kshatriya rank. Kshatiya means (Hindu) ruler, that is the kings and nobles (those who rule and therefore own, control the lands); in war time the Kshatriyas were supposed to have the qualities to fight by leading, commanding armies. A warrior, soldier is NOT a kshatriya, but a Sudra, a servant. Through good military actions, the soldier may become a military officer and the rulers may allow him to own lands; then only he becomes a proper Kshatriya, a member of the aristocraty. This is how feudal societies used to be, work not only in India but also in other parts of the world such as Europe.
I would like to change the last chapter of the Tamil Kshatriya wiki page to: "Nowadays , scholars consider the high ranking Vellalar subcastes as the scions of the ancient Tamil aristocraty" (I will add proper refs). Thanks.Rajkris (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Regards. Rajkris (talk) 18:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Hoad adittion on wikipedia

please have a look at namadhari naik page a proto australoid community claiming scythian status.edits by user Tej smiles and now i have been issued a three page revert warning.Linguisticgeek (talk) 15:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Meenachil Kartha

Hello! I see you have been working on the Meenachil Kartha article. However there are certain points I thought I would clarify with you:

• My understanding is that, owing to Rajput origin, the Meenachil Karthas were not considered Illam Nairs but as Samanthans (which as seen from a judgement of the Madras High Court in the early 20th century was a part of the Malayala Kshatriyas and not Malayala Sudras). Even today they are members of the Kshatriya Kshema Sabha and not the NSS.
• Padmanabhan and Raman Thampi did not have the Varma suffix.
• Thekkumkoor, Vadakkumkoor and Kayamkulam were not Nair dynasties. In fact Kayamkulam was part of the Chiraway Swaroopam and hence its Rajah was a cousin of Marthanda Varma. They were Kshatriyas. The Thekkumkoor and Vadakkumkoor families were also Kshatriyas albeit without the sacred thread. They were called Samantha Kshatriyas (again different from Samanthan).
• The Kerala District Gazetteers which you have cited also I think gives the story of the arrival of the family in Kerala. Sridevi and Ambikadevi, two ladies of the family, were based at Kumbhakonam and were married by the chiefs of Elangallur Swaroopam (Edapally) and the Erambrakkat Swaroopam and brought to Kerala. Sridevi's son, Veera Damodara Simharu was the first Meenachil Karthavu. Veera Rama Simhar was the son of Ambikadevi.

Manu rocks (talk) 05:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my queries. I shall proceed directly to the topic and not waste your time. The Cochin Rajah was not a Brahmin who took up the Kshatriya profession. Those are known as Nambidis. But yes the Cochin Rajah was considered the highest and purest of all Kshatriyas (though they had a surprisingly peaceful disposition as against the legendary Kshatriya "valour"). You are mistaken about the Koil Thampurans. All of them were ruling chiefs in history. The Kilimanoor Koil Thampurans were the Rajahs of Beypore and all the remaining houses belonged to the Parappanad royal family, which arrived in Travancore in the late 18th century during the Mysore war. Hence, you will find, the Koil Thampurans cannot marry among themselves as they are all, basically, one family. The Travancore family is not Unnithiri. They are recorded in ancient texts as the Southern Kolathiris. Indeed in the whole of Kerala only the Kola Swaroopam (ie Kolathunad and Travancore) had Kshatriya men marry their women and not Brahmins. Perhaps this might have been because of some kind of inferiority but that can only be speculated. What is your source when you state that Samantha Kshatriya position could be had only if the father was a Brahmin? Also about Samanthans, the censuses do not state that all Karthas and Kaimals were Samanthans. These were primarily Illam Nair clans but some Samanthans also used the same titles. Such as Alangadu Karthavu or Meenachil Karthavu. Samanthans do not use "Varma" as their surname. The Unnithiri/Unnyathiri, Nedungadi, Eradi etc that you mentioned are their surnames. The Zamorin belonged to this class. In that family, the women were married either to Brahmins or Kshatriyas of Cranganore and the men married Nairs. Thus the present Zamorin's daughter from his Nair wife marrying a man with a Nair surname is not surprising or conclusive of anything. Manu rocks (talk) 08:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. No problem about the delay in your reply. Anyway to return to the topic:

• I am aware that Nagam Aiya made several errors in his work. For instance, he states that Unnithans and Valiathans are the sons of those Kshatriyas without territorial sovereignty, which is far from the truth. However Nagam Aiya's description of Nair customs, rituals sub castes etc are generally accepted as being one of the best records of the same. In any case Velu Pillai revised the TSM in 1940 with better clarity. But you (and the authors of two links you sent me) are right that these books published by the Travancore government are not unbiased. Since the writers were government servants, it is only natural that they praised the royal family greatly while working on these books. The same loyalty afflicts Shungunny Menon's book as well, which is otherwise a good work.
• I do not have any direct information on the Meenachil Karthas. I merely remember a relative of that family telling me that they are members of the Kshatriya Kshema Sabha and not the NSS. Anyway, as i don't know any more about their present conditions, I cannot talk about that.
• About Hiranyagrabha: Shungunny Menon has given a good defense in favour of the Travancore family. Hiranyagarbha is one of the many Danams that are to be made by Kshatriya kings and not a procedure to become Kshatriya. If anyone could become Kshatriya merely through Hiranyagarbha, then the Zamorin and, as Menon asserts, every well to do Nair could also have conducted these ceremonies and upgraded himself. This Hiranyagarbha ritual has been majorly misinterpreted by people. But yes it is likely that the Travancore Maharajahs performed it to assert their Kshatriya rank which might not have been all that concrete.
• The link of Iravati Karve is referring to a Kshatriya's children by Nair wives. If the wife is a Kshatriya, and due to Marumakkathayam, so long as her husband if of equal or higher caste, the children are Kshatriya. It is without logic to state that the children of a Kshatriya couple would be non-Kshatriya or Sudra.
• The position of Nairs in the varna system is a wasteful discussion. The Nairs were always addressed as "Malayala Sudras" and this does not mean they were low caste. Varna position had nothing to do with the power of the Jati. Specially in Kerala the Nairs, till the 19th century, seem to have barely cared that they were technically "Sudras" because they had power. It did not matter and I do not understand why people want to assert "Kshatriya" rank in the 21st century, of all times, when it matters even less. Anyway, I will not delve into this matter further because it is very messy. But this new trend to project "Kshatriya" rank for the Nairs is regrettable and seems to reflect some kind of inferiority complex.
• Marthanda Varma fought many battles and won them all. His successor Dharma Rajah was the one who led the first few battles against Kayamkulam and then singlehandedly led his troops to win Thekkumkur, Vadakkumkur etc. Balarama Varma was weak indeed. But it is not fair to state that they were cowards. An equal number of "cowardly" instances could be found among the Nairs too. For example, when the Pillamar wanted to kill Marthanda Varma, they were cowed down in the last minute and did not strike during the Arrat of 1731.

Manu rocks (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

ANTI VANDALISM BARNSTAR

Thank you. I only noticed that today. Rajkris (talk) 08:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy Onam

Happy Onam,May you have a great day.Hail the king of kings Mahabali.Linguisticgeek (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Suresh.... with you a Happy Onam. Axxn (talk) 07:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Please cleanup Wiki

Buddy,this is wikipedia. Not comic book for LKG students. I was going through Kerala history and got amazed by the blunders in the wiki pages related to Kerala communities. I haven't heard of such exaggerations even in the stories told by Grandma. There are many funny stuff, Nairs - first time I am hearing the story related to their origin. Nairs - mahabharatha- Naga . :) dont u think its too funny.. Ezhava - They found the chera dynasty !! Oh my god.. :) Muslim - Direct relatives of Prophet Muhammed.. there could be more fun in other community sites too. I tried to cleanup some of the pages but many pages are blocked. Please cleanup the contents with unbiased, strong ref based contents. It is useful for our and coming generation or people who want to refer it seriously. Please be charitable to the society. Publish personal feelings or supremacy of individual communities in their respective community websites. if you don't mind.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pachan (talk • contribs) 03:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, if you want to contribute positively to wikipedia, then rather than indulging in edit wars, you should discuss the topic in the talk page first and reach a consensus. And use civil language while talking in Wikipedia. If you want to remove well referenced sections, then you should first discuss the topic and reach a consensus. Suresh.Varma.123 (talk) 03:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year Mr.Suresh

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