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Contacting me edit

You are allowed to use talk pages if you use them appropriately. If you post anything about Brighton/city status, you will be blocked immediately per WP:DROPTHESTICK. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Why did you remove my external links? edit

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Potential repeated ban evasion edit

Hi Jamie, I was just looking into some strange IP activity and noticed you previously issued bans on the IPs in question, so I was hoping you might be able to help. Today a collection of IPs have attempted to resurrect a speculative draft Draft:GPT-5 by making a couple minor edits and submitting to AfC, despite previous consensus and clear notices indicating the article shouldn't be moved to mainspace until GPT-5 actually exists. The IPs in question are: Contributions/62.74.32.95, Contributions/62.74.58.35, Contributions/62.74.32.77, Contributions/62.74.56.192, and Contributions/62.74.58.183. This looks clearly to me like sock-puppeting or ban evasion. Could you please take a look? I was also wondering if there was a way to withdraw the AfC submission, since it plainly will fail, but I'm having trouble finding a way to do that, so if you know how I would appreciate a pointer. Cheers! StereoFolic (talk) 19:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Upgraded that partial block to a full block, quite possibly the same person. I reverted the AFC submission tags; I think that should be sufficient? OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! StereoFolic (talk) 00:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looks like they're at it again, this time with Special:Contributions/62.74.14.25. StereoFolic (talk) 15:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks; I dropped several more rangeblocks and sprinkled some salt. Let me know if you see any related disruption from Greek ranges. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bleggen edit

I assume you are aware Bleggen (talk · contribs) looks like a sock of Jacobkennedy (talk · contribs). 2600:1700:1111:5940:FCA7:2D25:D4E5:C28F (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I am not but you are WP:griefing me now because I disagreed with an edit of yours. You also only did a few edits of which one is a summary starting with the words "We have been over this many time" in the edit summary of your first edit, implying that you are an alt. Please let's just avoid each other and not bicker with each other. ThanksBleggen (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
You don't get to strike out other's comments on my talk page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, User:2600:1700:1111:5940:FCA7:2D25:D4E5:C28F, another sock back in the drawer. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate people who fight the good fight, like yourself. A frustrating and often thankless job, so Thank You! 2600:1700:1111:5940:FCA7:2D25:D4E5:C28F (talk) 01:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

A kitten for a admin :) edit

yolo i hope you are having a good day (hope this makes it better lol), btw so much messages!, anyway have a great day and enjoy a picture of this adorable kitten!

ModdiWX (message me!) 14:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

User 23.245.44.64 edit

He has vandalized multiple articles including Mickey’s Mouse Trap (horror film), Kung Fu Panda, and more without citing a single source. He said March 22 for Mouse yet I searched everywhere and nothing. A couple of other users seemingly joined on this too. Can we ban him from editing? 98.144.64.54 (talk) 06:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Vyond edit

It seems they are at it again on Vyond-related videos regarding child discipline. Since I already reverted once, and NatGertler appears to be understandably busy on other parts of Wikipedia, I wonder if you can review the second attempt and help me make it clear to the editor that such content is not notable? Sometimes I feel that the whole article may not be notable at all. Best, --Minoa (talk) 12:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! edit

Thank you for the IP blocks on the Todd Helton page. Much appreciated! Regards, Bringingthewood (talk) 22:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

About block edit

Hello, what was the reasoning to block Special:Contributions/204.111.207.134 with 1 month instead of the more typical 31 hours/a week? —Matrix(!) (a good person!)[Citation not needed at all; thank you very much] 18:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's that IPs third block for vandalism; many admins such as myself will impose progressively longer blocks on IPs that disrupt frequently. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Invitation to participate in Wikipedia study edit

Hello, I have been contacting editors with experience in specific areas of editing to participate in a survey study. In order to limit access without forcing editors to disclose their identity in the survey form itself, I have been contacting them via email, which you have disabled for your account. If you would like to participate, please send me an email through Wikipedia and I will follow up with additional details and a link to the survey. Jonathan Engel (researcher) (talk) 13:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Australian childish vandal edit

Per Special:Contributions/Lets play a gsle today, I think this is another LTA that's worth adding (with said regex) to one of your private misc LTA filters. Habits are on this page on Meta. Codename Noreste 🤔 talk 05:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've begun to experiment with some filters; no hits yet. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reversion of French bulldog edits edit

A remark that you made in the reversion of my capitalization edits in titles is incorrect. I recommend you read the Wikipeda Manual of Style section on it.

There you will find that citations should, in fact not follow capitalization that would be incorrect in Wikepedia articles. And that Wikipedia citations are under no obligation what-so-ever to match the capitalization in the cited original. To the contrary: Capitalization in all Wikipedia (English language) article citations should be "corrected" to follow Wikipedia standards, despite not being identical to the capitalization in the cited source. A classic example of this is excess capitalization in titles of journal, magazine, and newspaper articles. Only the title of the journal itself, or the newspaper, or magazine, or conference proceedings, is allowed to have full capitalization.

You might find it a helpful clue, that the full-capital titles are usually the fields that are automatically italicized by the Wikipedia "cite" template.

However, there are some cases for foreign language title capitalization that I'm uncertain of: For example all German language sentences have all nouns (whether personal or general) capitalized; it's just a language standard (e.g. "a man from Munich" is ein Mensch von Munchen, not ein mensch von Munchen) so I presume that the normal sentence capitalization is carried over into cited titles (but not into their translation, of course). But to the contrary, I notice that a lot of citations for French and Italian language book titles (neither of which I have any language training in) seem to only start with upper case, and then go lower case for the rest of the title. I'm not sure how to proceed; in edits I've made so far, I've just retained the lower-case in a book title, and applied capitalization only to the translated title. However I might be being deceived by some style used by the citing editor that isn't standard for French or Italian the language, or which might not be standard for the Wikipedia for those languages.

But other than that, I really would suggest that you read up in the W:MOS. After that, you might want to revert your reversion, unless you find other intolerable errors.
107.122.85.58 (talk) 21:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

You may find it helpful provide links to the MOS policies you allude to. Where in MOS:TITLECAPS, MOS:ALLCAPS, or WP:CITESTYLE does it say that we should "correct" article titles to follow "Wikipedia standards"? The only prescription I see is that we should convert all caps to title case (quoting from MOS:ALLCAPS: Avoid writing with all caps (all capital letters), including small caps (all caps at a reduced size), when they have only a stylistic function. Reduce them to title case, sentence case, or normal case, as appropriate.) Furthermore, please note the discussion at Talk:French_Bulldog regarding capitalization. While the MLA does support the notion that "french bulldog" should not be capitalized, there does seem to be an existing convention in Wikipedia to capitalize dog breed names (e.g., Labrador Retriever; to systematically change all of those titles would require a policy or a consensus, neither of which I'm aware of. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dholuo language guide edit

HI Jamie, I had made the original Dholuo language guide J"https://www.freewebs.com/themulders/luoguide.htm" back in 2006 or so. This was on the wikipedia Dholuo site for ages (I didn't put it there, someone else must have seen it was very long/comprehensive and added it). I just noted that the freewebs is defunct and so I updated the link to a duplicate site that I had created years ago as a back-up - http://dholuo.weebly.com/ - but you removed this. I'm not sure why. I don't think there is a better more comprehensive language source out there. I have no interest in the website itself; you are welcome to copy the content and make your own. I just think that the information is helpful to have for the world so please consider re-adding that link in the wikipedia references for this. Helperlady2 (talk) 23:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Weebly sites are not appropriate per WP:EL. Please do not add it again. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

ok I won't - I have never edited any wiki page ever before and this was my first try to try to help; sorry i didn't know that rule. but if you care about people having access to this dholuo source please consider copying the content from that site and making a new site and adding that new link.

I would think that anyone who knows how to use Wikipedia also knows how to use Google to find more info on Dholuo. Wikipedia is not a guide. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry edit

Hello its me Joey. I think we got off on the wrong foot. Firstly Im sorry for not listening to your warning originally from August. After your warning I stopped working on the Wikipedia page, but resumed in February and im sorry, I understand that the salted article rule is in place to prevent an article that has been previously deleted several times for not meeting notability to not be recreated. I should have listened to you.

Also sorry for the mess in the deletion discussion. I just was new at it and I kinda seemed a bit new to it, also you were right about the sources. I couldn't find many on him, their were only 2 kinds of sources, 1: Controversy about Jeffy which the Sun reported on and Good Morning America, but it is rather criticising the show rather than giving an indepth source and infromation and 2: The Tom Brady auction, well good sources on Logan that mention him, they only cover the winning really and not his channel career, just because Logan won an auction doesnt equal Wikipedia notability, I understand that indepth sources from third parties are what equals notability because first party sources could be biased in favor of that person. I understand that my arguements werent good arguments in favor of keeping said article.

I promise to listen to administrators warnings and only create articles using reliable third party sources.

PS: I like the serious business user box thing on your user page with that picture of Gary Busey, he is a good actor. Anyway OhnoitsJamie, I promise I wont recreate that page again, and I promise I will follow all adminstrator rules and take ever warning very seriously. Joey (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Everyone makes mistakes, and I'm happy to hear that you've learned from yours and are ready to move on. Feel free to ask me questions if anything comes up that you're not sure about. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Village pump has links to a number of great resources including the WP:TEAHOUSE, and WP:RSP is a great place to check to see if a source meets our reliable sources criteria. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 11:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Joey (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

LTA active on another IP after your block edit

Take a look at their edits. Persistent disruptive editing from multiple IPs - WP:BIO concerns, adding unsourced ages of living people to articles, persistent disruptive editing/vandalism focussed on Joseph Yablonski, Longtail Aviation Flight 5504, Ronald Ryan, MK Airlines Flight 1602, etc. Shearonink (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello it's me again...I don't know what this disruptive editor's issue is and I don't care but please can something be done? This drip-drip-drip of persistent vandalism raids on articles is annoying & wearing & takes other editors away from actually creating & editing around here. Either a range-block for this IP or protect/semi-protect all their usual targets - Joseph Yablonski, Henry Lee Lucas, W.A. Boyle, various spree/serial killers, various violent events, etc., a range-block to include IP ranges around 197.157.3--(with Vodafone Egypt). In my opinion these IPs are the blocked editor/LTA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Psydodo, otherwise known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Asura_Indra/Archive. Shearonink (talk) 13:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've blocked another proxy range, but when persistent LTAs are employing proxies, there's no simple all-encompassing solution other than to block IPs/ranges as they crop up. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wilson Medical Center edit

Last month you gave a user a final warning "Third block for WP:SYNTH". Sadly, right after the one-month block ended he edited Wilson Medical Center (North Carolina). The citation he provided does not support the statement added, once again engaging in WP:SYNTH.

"Wilson Medical Center is owned by Apollo Global Managemen"LifePoint acquired by Apollo for $5.6B". Healthcare Dive. Retrieved 2024-03-16.

2a02:c7c::/32's block at AN edit

Hi Ohnoitsjamie, I found 2a02:c7c::/32's block settings interesting enough to start a discussion about it; it's at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard § 2a02:c7c::/32 and your input would be welcome. I'm notifying everyone whose name appears in the block log as this is practically a review of a series of admin actions yours was a part of. I hope that, due to the amount of administrators who built the block to the current state, discussing this in a central location directly rather than asking everyone for input on their own talk page is okay. And perhaps there was a past discussion and this is completely unnecessary silliness of me; I apologize in advance if that's the case. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Massage in so-called "Turkish baths" and in the Hammam edit

While I'm not prepared to go to the stake over your revert, I am interested to know your thinking. There is increasing unhappiness in the Islamic world about the use of the phrase "Turkish baths" as it implies that this originated in Turkey whereas it is an intrinsic part of Islamic culture worldwide, including Turkey, of course. Furthermore, today's use of "Turkish baths" in The West can include anything from Russian steam baths to gay saunas and day spas. This is one of the reasons why a couple of years ago it was decided to split the article on Turkish baths into two: 1. "Hammam" (about which this part of the massage article is certainly true); and 2. "Victorian Turkish baths", the hot dry air bath (about which the description in this paragraph was only true in a very few establishments, for a very short time, and is certainly not true today). I was merely bringing a specific phrase into synchronisation with current wiki practice. If you've searched wiki recently for "Turkish baths" you will probablyhave found a redirect to "Hammam". However, perhaps I should have taken even this small change to a talk page first. I did not do so since similar changes, with updating the wikilinks accordingly, has raised few objections in other articles. Best wishes, Ishpoloni (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

It was a mistake and I reverted myself immediately. I'm not sure what else you want me to say. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nothing! I was actually apologising to you! Best wishes Ishpoloni (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Conflict-of-interest/Refspam edit

Hello. In February 2021 you warned an editor twice (1, 2) about COI/Refspam. In the second warning you called it the "last warning". It seems they haven't stopped, as they have continued adding their refspam. Would you be able to take a look at this?

Kimen8 (talk) 14:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

CaseOh edit

Hello! I noticed you added protection to this article awhile back. FYI, this [1] just happened, I asked oversight to take a look. @Stwalkerster, @Liz, FYI-ping to you too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi edit

Can you provide real sources please Emirati08 (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

You are very close to being blocked indefinitely. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

ACWA Power links edit

Hello dear Jamie, I worked with a freelancer to help to publish our VC&MD and CEO pages on wikipedia, and for some reason they were deleted, can you please help in fixing the issue and having the pages back? Or do I need to hire another free lancer to publish new pages?

Marco Arcelli - Wikipedia Raad Al-Saady - Wikipedia

Thank you for your support, Yahya Yahya.Hamidaddin (talk) 08:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please take the time to read the warnings on your talk page regarding promotional edits, copyright violations and undeclared conflict-of-interest. OhNoitsJamie Talk 12:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Meless13 edit

Based on CU data, Meless13 appears to be operating from a different location than the LTA. I base this on the assumption that 4.39.232.210 and 2600:8800:4182:4c00:b5e2:27ca:88b5:c24d are examples of that LTA, both of which geolocate to warm areas of the U.S. I'm not permitted to say much about Meless13 but can say they are not on the same continent and aren't using a proxy (based on spur.us and on my own port scan). --Yamla (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, I will unblock. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! --Yamla (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Filter 1094 edit

Hi Jamie, while reading this I came across this filter hit and while the edit is unconstructive, I don't think it's the filters target. Thoughts? Nobody (talk) 12:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that is a false positive; let me see if I can tune it a bit. There have been so many WP:SPA accounts disrupting that article (some of them likely socks that the filter targets), probably should just semi or EC protect that page for a long time. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism edit

Hi! Is it possible you could have a look at the recent vandalism to Josh Aloiai? Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I made some adjustments to a few IP range mitigations. OhNoitsJamie Talk 12:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Changing links on BBC Radio articles edit

Hi, do you think 109.157.219.87 is the same person as some a few of the IP addresses you've blocked earlier on this year? Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Regarding article 'Delhi University Students Union', redaction and page protection. edit

Jamie

This is in regard to the article Delhi University Students Union. On [April 18] I made a request for page protection, the action taken on that was the blocking of the User by You. Thanks for that. Further, I made certain changes to the article on April 19, that changes were redacted by you. The imitation of same on my [talk page] has been replied to you, action awaited from your behalf. Pl guide me thru further course of action for both, undoing the redaction(s) and, page protection as the vandalism of the same content is still on.

Thank You. iAshwinDeshmukh Deshmukh.3851 talk 09:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sockpuppet investigation edit

Hi Jamie, Recently you blocked this account [[2]] for sock-puppetry; could you compare the IP address of that account to the IP user commenting in [[3]]. I'm finding what's on going on a bit weird and out-of-place. CeltBrowne (talk) 23:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

They both geolocate to the same area, but that's about all that can be discerned from those IPs. I don't have WP:CHECKUSER so I'm not privy to additional anon editing details. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply


Editor you've dealt with before now leaving nonsensical edit summaries edit

Back in October 2021, you stepped into a situation where User:Lynchenberg was, at first, making unfounded allegations against the band Mr. Bungle and Mike Patton within their articles, and ultimately making aspersions against me for not allowing their attacks against either.[4] Soon after, Lynchenberg stepped away from editing for the most part. When they returned in December 2023, they making minor disruptive edits to articles that they obviously saw I was active in.[5][6] When warned, their response was to request I delete my account.[7] In the meantime, and ever since, they've decided to leave nonsensical edit summaries to most articles that they edit.[8][9][10][11][12] Another editor requested an explanation for the most recent edit summary[13] and their response was more of the same nonsense.[14] At this point, it really seems obvious that Lynchenberg is WP:NOTHERE. Would you mind looking into this? NJZombie (talk) 03:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

EFFPR edit

Hi Jamie, as you may know, there's an Indian IP that keeps making reports without triggering any filters. Just in the last weeks there were at least four (IP 1, IP 2, IP 3, IP 4). I'm wondering if theres a better way to deal with this than just revert and ignore. Nobody (talk) 06:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

(talk page watcher) Maybe they should add it to 1161 or 1242? Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 07:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I was thinking a range p-block might work, but not sure if theres a good range for that. Nobody (talk) 07:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've partially blocked 2409:4043:4C00:0:0:0:0:0/40 from EFFP for a month. It's likely an LTA handled by 1242 whom I've thwarted from disrupting articles about political leaders. OhNoitsJamie Talk 11:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Jamie. BTW, do you think it would be possible to revive Filter 707 to stop edits like this? It's happened a few times and usually isn't picked up by 1151. (Feel free to Mail if there's some private specific concern.) Nobody (talk) 06:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

About your block of JulbuEv edit

Quack, quack.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

A beer for you! edit

Seems like you need a beer •Cyberwolf•talk? 14:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Cliff Cash protection edit

Hi, would you mind extending the move-protection alongside the edit-protection? There have been several messes made with pagemoves by this user and I don't see the page needing to go anywhere anyways. Thanks! Tollens (talk) 08:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Done OhNoitsJamie Talk 11:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Old Collegians Rugby Club edit

Why did you revert all my changes to this article? You removed the cn template from the mostly unsourced history section and restored the controversy section with many unsourced statements and an unencyclopedic tone that I had spent time remedying using the one reliable source that had been present there that actually mentioned the article subject. The citations that I removed were only tangentially related and didn't mention the article subject by name at all. If you are reverting per WP:QUO, that's fine, but should probably indicate as such in your edit summary and should probably contribute to the discussion that I started on the article talk page.

The problem with this article is the various sock/meat puppets that have been trying to remove the controversy section entirely. Uhai (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The material I removed restored was sourced to this Guardian article. You are free to restore the cn template and adjust wording if you feel that it's unencyclopedic. OhNoitsJamie Talk 12:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
You didn't remove this material, you added it back, and some of it is not adequately supported by said source and lacks sufficient inline citations. There's also concerns regarding relevance and WP:UNDUE (e.g. the whole thing about climbing the rafters and assessment scores). This is exactly why I started the talk page discussion: to discuss these things and modify the section as necessary. It honestly is WP:TNT material. Uhai (talk) 13:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Meant to say "restored." OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

reliable site edit

Is an obituary a reliable website? Gymrat16 (talk) 02:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

See WP:OBITUARIES NJZombie (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Syntax error edit

Hello OhnoitsJamie, I've been cleaning up Wikitable syntax errors for the last few months, and have gotten it down to the last one hundred and some pages. Ran across your User:Ohnoitsjamie/Box page today, which has some missing table closing tags and a few other WP:LINT errors.

As the page is Full protected and I have Extended Confirmed access, would you be willing to update the page to this? Just copy and replace the full page, it will add the missing table closing tags, and update the obsolete font and center tags to HTML5 compliant equivalents.

Thanks! Zinnober9 (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply