Sundiiiaaa

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If you want to do something useful, consider editing. I'll help you in any way I can just click on my name. Nina Odell 21:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC) Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Talk:Robber baron. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. --Caranorn 12:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Note to admins looking in here. This account seems to have been created for the sole purpose to spam talk pages with political rethoric.--Caranorn 12:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

For instance - edit compare 1, edit compare 2, edit compare 3, edit compare 4, and edit compare 5. Please stop this soapboxing, and either contribute something useful, or start reading the articles. What you are doing now is not NPOV, and only serves to inflame other editors. SauliH 05:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Stop spaming

This is the last warning you will receive. Stop adding your personal opinions and research to articles and talk pages. Wikipedia is not a forum for you to propagate your views, whatever you are. Your edits to articles are inappropriate and your continued spamming of talk pages is disruptive and inappropriate. If you continue, this account will be blocked to prevent further damage to Wikipedia. Thanks, Gwernol 02:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our neutral point of view policy will not be tolerated. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 06:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologize to everyone. I haven't edited the articles, I only talked in the discussion section, because I need to tell you that employees are slaves. That means the articles don't speak the truth, which is what keeps us in slavery & causes world poverty. We're being taught to be slaves for wages, & we built everything wrong, but looked good doing it. Now it's more obvious than before, so I just hope we can change the words (& the world) by saying that so we can end the wage to end world poverty. And save the earth too. God bless you. Anyone can email me & talk if you don't think the wage is slavery: sundiiiaaa@yahoo.com Sundiiiaaa 04:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

I read some of what you had to say. And it can be arguable. It all depends on the amount of money they recieve, whether the money is enough, and what kind of job, and what dangers might the worker face. Hope you get unblocked. -Yancyfry

Thank you. But every person is a slave as long as there is just one poor person on the entire earth, because fear of a crime against you is slavery too. Some people can never get a "job" because of race, religion, education, appearance, location, etc. Freedom means every person could travel the world without any fear of crime because all people should have a Guar. Income RFID to eliminate money (not a contradiction). People never thought that what we do affects people in Africa, but it does affect them because all nations are connected financially, which is more obvious today. EX: This website http://www.pulitzercenter.org/openitem.cfm?id=276 explains how the slaves in Africa mine out the coltan which is used in OUR cell phones! USA buys their gold & diamonds & chocolate too, & they remain poor with little or no wage, all because USA doesn't think the wage is slavery. WE have to end the wage system to end world poverty. All nations must build massive live/work/play Tower cities connected to Trains (to save the earth), & all people can do it working part-time 10 hrs/week. No one is free until all people on earth own all things. I think Wikipedia should say that employees are slaves & the wage is slavery which causes world poverty because it's true. Sundiiiaaa 04:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Slave: a person who has lost control of himself & is dominated by SOMETHING or SOMEONE; drudge; toiler. [Employees are slaves who must sell themselves into slavery with resumés, job interviews, school grades, degrees, diplomas, by race, religion, nationality, etc. We're slaves to money. Masters are slaves to "minimum wage laws," providing insurance, taxation slavery, etc: the wage controls us all.]

Slavery: submission to a dominating influence; subservience; servitude. [The wage is a dominating influence. You can ask for a bigger salary but you won't get it. No one can survive on $6/hr, or $10/hr, or $100/hr: paying rent, medicine, car/s repairs, gas, etc. It's cheaper for corporations to have wage slavery than it was to have unpaid slavery because with paid slavery, they don't have to provide food, shelter, clothing or medical care. Corporations are slave plantations & employees are slaves in every way.] Sundiiiaaa 19:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Your disruptive soapbox rants on article talk pages

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Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Talk:Children's rights movement, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. KP Botany 16:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I will stop, but the fact is the USA causes world poverty & child slavery, including child prostitution, because the wage system is slavery. Read "When Corporations Rule the world" to see how we were forced to need money over centuries, so no one is free until we eliminate money worldwide with a Guaranteed Income RFID for every person. There should be perfectly equal wealth worldwide. We were born into slavery, so of course no one knows we are slaves, like monkeys born in captivity in a zoo: it's all we know. The encyclopedia should say that the wage is slavery, & that's the cause of world poverty. Saying anything else is a lie, & it's wrong because it leaves millions of children (11M) to die of hunger every year, not to mention other horribly painful deaths, & it drives me a little insane cuz I can't help them. Sundiiiaaa 03:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a soapbox, period. There are many other appropriate forums on the web for you to express and share you opinions; this is not one of them. See Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources and original research for an explanation about the types of sources that are appropriate to use as references here. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 05:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. But only someone insane would believe that corporations are "legal persons"! Sounds like a bad joke, since they're actually slave plantations which shouldn't be legal, & should be owned by all people on earth, to end world poverty & end the profit system. USA looked good building everything wrong (cars & houses etc). We should have built 100-story live/work/play Tower cities connected to maglev Trains (T&T) to save the earth & people. How did anyone ever want to drive cars in snow & ice? And heat? Commuting is slavery. Cars kill people (130 Americans a day, many are children). T&T destroys capitalism. Sundiiiaaa 04:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Maids are obviously slaves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maid (rent "Murderous Maids")

Bathroom attendants are slaves! Nannies are slaves! Both parents should raise their own kids. The wage causes infanticide since mothers can't be in 2 places at once: caring for & nursing their children and working as Nanny. Masters are slaves! Teachers are slaves, but so is every person. Only T&T & RFID will be freedom. I hate & fear automobiles, & so should everyone! Sundiiiaaa 05:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyedits

Thanks for taking the time to do some copyedit work on articles. Although minor, this is important work for Wikipedia. KP Botany 00:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Be careful though on matters of dialect. If the article is international in scope, but was initially written or started by someone who speaks Brittish English, then you should not be changed "recognises" to "recognizes." KP Botany 04:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Ok. Sorry. Sundiiiaaa 04:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Enough

Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Please stop attempting to use Wikipedia's talk pages as such. It's obvious that you are making no attempts to debate issues; you are simply pushing one philosophy (one that I have yet to see any other editors support). There are plenty of other forums for you to expound your views. If you continue, you will be blocked indefinitely. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 06:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Last night (1/24/07) on CNN with Anderson Cooper they had another story about child sex slaves in Cambodia & the USA, & they said it happens worldwide! Did you see it? http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/ There are always shows on TV that show "real slavery" in the USA! I see them all the time. Why don't any of you?? I'm positive that the USA wage system is slavery & the cause of world poverty & all child sex slavery! You all have to wake up & see that we're all slaves & employees are slaves & corporations are slave plantations. Don't be mislead just because they use the word "corporation" instead of "plantation". They still use the word plantation in other countries which makes it more obvious that they're all slave plantations. Don't let nice offices with carpets, refrigerators, microwave ovens, etc, blind you. It's slavery & exists because USA built everything wrong: cars, roads, houses & small ugly buildings. We can now see we should have built massive beautiful, fireproof, soundproof 100-story live/work/play Tower cities (emphasis on "play") connected to maglev Trains (T&T) which destroys the capitalist wage system because it eliminates all companies & jobs.

Capitalism is slavery continuing for wages, & it has always existed because slavery has always existed. Capitalism gave birth to communism, & both ways are slavery. Everything I read says people became communists because capitalist wage slavery was such hopeless, hard, unjust slavery. Democratic Socialism is what we need worldwide, which is easy to have today (without a war) because we have modern technology to teach it worldwide. All people could work part-time 10 hrs a week building Towers & Trains (T&T) if we end the wage & say all people must own all things, & when we give every person on earth a Guaranteed Income RFID to eliminate money (not a contradiction). Surely you can see every starving child worldwide (even many in USA) need a guaranteed income? Of course the wage is slavery & we're all still slaves: something & someone controls our every move.

Insurance is slavery & should not exist. Taxation is slavery & should not exist. Loans are slavery & should not exist. Renting is slavery & should not exist. Colleges teach slavery! Education causes poverty since most people can't afford any education, because education should be free worldwide & will be someday. Someday all people will be taught science, medicine, 5-10 languages, & child development, since the most important "job" is raising your own children & most people don't know how & need lots of advice. When all people work 10 hrs a week, then they can learn how to have fun, because most people don't know how to have fun. They're so brainwashed to work & sleep & then die. USA did everything as wrong as possible & must change to end world poverty. Sundiiiaaa 17:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll say this one more time; Wikipedia is not a soapbox. There are plenty of appropriate forums on the web for your ideas. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Second block

You have been blocked for 48 hours for using Wikipedia as a soapbox despite numerous warnings. While you have a history of making some constructive edits (spelling, grammar, wording, etc.), you continue to disregard pleas to stop using Wikipedia as a soapbox. (e.g. rants of this nature. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk

If you really want people to listen ...

... you have to talk with them, or, at the very least, to them. But when you keep repeating the same thing over and over, in the wrong venue, to people who aren't listening to begin with (because you're in the wrong place), nobody listens. If you care about your topic, if you really are concerned about these issues, you could show it by learning to discuss them in the appropriate venues. I don't go to the supermarket and upturn a vegetable crate to tell people looking for produce for dinner about the type of paint used to fix the scratch on my car door, making them a captive audience because they need to continue shopping. People are here to create an encyclopedia or to learn about encyclopediac topics. Personal biases, personal rants are not part of the basics of a topic included in an encyclopedia, they belong elsewhere. If you really want people to listen to you, if you yourself respect your topic, then show it by speaking to the appropriate audience, instead of trying to hijack Wikipedia for your purposes. I won't read any rant you post in response, so save your breath for speaking to the proper audience, in a respective manner, about a topic you feel passionate about, instead of misdirecting your time towards speaking to people who are busy on a different task. It will show respect not just for Wikipedians, but also for your topic. KP Botany 01:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It's so frustrating that no one knows the true meaning of slave or slavery, & everyone's too busy to learn the Truth. Knowing it would make it easy to end world poverty & human suffering, because not knowing it keeps us all in slavery (the way of death). I think an encyclopedia should say the truth, so we can end slavery, but not many people want to change their wrong ideas so we can quickly end world poverty. Sundiiiaaa 03:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

No one is free until every person on earth is free: with a Guaranteed Income RFID & working part-time (10 hrs/wk) building Towers & Trains. Sundiiiaaa 03:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

What's really frustrating is that those professing to know the truth can't be bothered to speak with people rather than at them. KP Botany 21:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I guess I don't know how to do that. I'm just trying to explain what they don't understand. Sundiiiaaa 00:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

please help us.

I completely agree with you, but might i suggest some other avenue of communication? particularly concerned that your long comments on the talk pages are actually making it much harder for the rest of us who believe as you do to bring this to light. please, for the rest of us who understand and agree with you, please refrain from making us all look annoying when all we're trying to do is enlighten people. Yours until the end of ALL exploitation, --Chalyres 11:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll try very hard not to disrupt wikipedia discussions again.

But could we maybe start a separate article calling it "Many forms of Slavery" or something, & then list some: loans, insurance, renting, credit cards, cars, houses, lawns, marriage, having kids, every sickness, taxation, schools, all work is slavery, needing basics like food, etc? Because most people are pretty good at enslaving themselves, & explaining the many forms of slavery would help some people find ways to set themselves a little more free. Sundiiiaaa 06:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Subtlety is a powerful weapon: Emily Dickenson's poem "Tell all the Truth, But Tell it Slant...The Truth must Dazzle Gradually, lest every man be Blind" says it best, i think (besides, most people are so tired from "working" for others an being exploited in excess of 40 hours a week that they don't have a whole lot of time to even imagine what life might be like otherwise.
The following articles would benefit greatly from some attention, and it looks like the first one needs to be expanded save it before it's deleted: 9 to 5, Wage slavery, Unfree labour, and Working poor. I think once enough other topics are established, well-written and respected, enforcing more discussion about modern and continued slavery (taking it out of the silly notion that "slavery was then, not now") will be a lot more easy and others will be able to argue more forcibly with moderators and complainers against temporary blocks against you. There's lots of discussion that can't really be considered related to the article on discussion pages all over wikipedia, but unless enough other people can back you up, you'll be subject to the same sort of thing who ends up deciding that your comments are somehow "more" unrelated even than their own.
I've seen some rather good editors run afoul of people who have more allies than they do, resulting in rules not otherwise enforced suddenly used to punish someone they don't like.
Also, might i suggest creating your user page? It'll give others more of a sense that they're dealing with someone who intends to stick around for a long time, which i hope you do.

cheers!

--Chalyres 09:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Sundiiiaaa's proposal to create an article about "many forms of Slavery." I advise you not to do that, as it would be a clear violation of original research and neutral point of view policies. As has been stated twice on this talk page before:

See Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources and original research for an explanation about the types of sources that are appropriate to use as references here. Wikipedia is not a platform for activism nor is it your personal soapbox. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying that it's impossible for Wikipedia to admit that most people don't know the true meaning of slavery? That it's my point of view & original research in understanding what the true meaning of slavery is? Sundiiiaaa 06:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes to all of the above. In fact, your choice of words ("true meaning of slavery") is inherently point of view. Chalyres has some good suggestions; note that in the Wage slavery, the concept of wage slavery is given proper context (socialist theory) and various interpretations of it are attributed to notable figures (e.g., Karl Marx). Your theories about the 10 hour work week and maglev trains have no place here unless you can attribute them to a notable figure or an otherwise reliable source. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Starting with your own references for your ideas, though, might be a good place to start. The place for original research, if no one else in the world supports your ideas, is academia. Go to school, study the subject in sufficient depth to be able to explain your ideas to people, get a degree, and start writing your original research. This is how you learn how to communicate with people instead of throwing ideas at them--when you do the latter, they simply bounce off and fall to the ground, making people irritated that you're throwing things at them. If you want to explain your ideas, learn how to explain ideas. If you want to irritate people, keep throwing things at them. It's impossible for Wikipedia to admit anything, it's not a person, and it takes people to make admissions--you'll learn this in school, also, as part of how to communicate with people: address ideas to humans, not things. If the ten hour work week is that important to explain to people, it deserves the effort required to give it credibility, namely, learning how to research it, support it, and explain it to others. KP Botany 00:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It's worth noting that research is not limited to academia, and a degree is not required for something to qualify as "credible." biographies are often considered authoritative even though many authors have no degree whatsoever and were definitely not limiting themselves to academic rigor. "uneducated" people were using lots of medicinal plants long before science ever considered them (turmeric is a great example). --Chalyres 05:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, certainly the natural history of the west was done best by those without degrees, those who could and did look at the land first, and now ethnobotanists go to the native peoples first and panic at the thought that lack of traditional ways is costing the world tremendous knowledge of plants. These people are not, by the way, uneducated.

This doesn't mean that for this particular editor, academia would not be a great place to start to learn to communicate with people--it would be. Because that is part of academia: you are given an audience to listen to and critique your ideas, you learn how to tell, in the first place, whether anyone is even listening to you. Addressing your ideas to an audience that isn't listening, that isn't set up to listen, that doesn't have any venue for your personal ideas about a topic, is not a good start.

Some biographies should not be considered authoritive. But, yes, there is excellent research done outside of academia, but, like Wikipedia, it attains its excellence by relying on researching others or experimentation or collecting data, not just announcing the ideas--the latter is almost always left to the pulpit. KP Botany 20:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

KP Botany said "It's impossible for Wikipedia to admit anything, it's not a person..." And yet the US Supreme Court says it's a law that corporations are "legal persons!" Which they're not, so that means that "law" should not exist. Sundiiiaaa 22:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I give up, you have no intention of doing anything but throwing your ideas at people as if human beings are dartboards--if your idea is great and folks don't listen when treated as if they are dartboards, you have only yourself to blame for the failure. KP Botany 22:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I am really really very sorry that I don't say things right. I won't disrupt the discussion pages again. All I want to say is that USA looked good doing everything wrong. And that it's urgent for USA to lead all nations to build massive 100-story live/work/play Tower cities connected to maglev Trains (T&T) & end the wage, because it's the only way to save the earth. Not to mention millions of lives of innocent children. That is all. Please forgive me for saying things wrong. 69.228.196.235 05:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)