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Li Bai

Thank you for your cleanup and syntax changes. However the comment:

"Imagery Example" section that was just added, while it is interesting, it is unreferenced and badly edited with many format errors. Not suitable for the encyclopedia page.)

is quaint and perhaps misdirected? The example I added is directly relevant to the discussion of Li Bai's imagery which is the subject of the section. Also, a reader who follows the link would find the image of the 17th century page, and the poem and annotations were printed on that page. The link is therefore the reference. Many would consider that examples illustrating the subject matter add significantly to an article. If someone added relevant examples to my articles, I would be most grateful. It would save me work and not increase it unnecessarily.

I readily admit to any format errors. Also I appreciate any and all constructive and substantive suggestions and comments.

Cheers, 康雍乾 (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Rare Book Preservation Society

Thank you for cleanup. I am a newby to wiki lingo. ): 康雍乾 (talk) 00:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Habitat destruction

I appreciate you taking the time to try and lend a helping hand by replacing an "old" image with a "newer" one, but the older image illustrates the subtopic better than the new one, and is of a higher quality. I have therefore restored the old image. Viriditas (talk) 09:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Bixi (tortoise) layout

Looking at this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bixi_(tortoise)&curid=25772915&diff=338528915&oldid=338508856 , I'd rather prefer the original layout, for 3 reasons:

• It's a typographical convention that when you have "creatures" in photos, they should look "into the page", i.e. the left-facing ones are at the right side of the page and vice versa
• The Vietnamese turtles are older than the one at the Marco Polo Bridge, so chronologically it makes sense to have them earlier in the article
• Both images were the same size, thanks to the "File: .... |thumb|upright" modifier used in both.

Care to revert? Cheers, Vmenkov (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Film directors

Please take note of the difference between China and People's Republic of China. This is Wikipedia. If you're unfamiliar of something, you can always look it up on Wikipedia. Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.177.66.30 (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid the NPOV policy is on a higher priority than common names. You may perhaps be interested to spend some time and look into the talk pages of the entries on China, Taiwan, People's Republic of China and Republic of China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.177.66.30 (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

By doing so you are effectively equating China and People's Republic of China. This is inconsistent with the NPOV principle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.177.66.30 (talk) 05:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for China Aviation Museum

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

China related articles

Hello there.

Whilst its really nice you are improving the museum and art galleries templates I created. I noticed you also unilaterally make some changes which I do not agree with. Using WP:AGF as a guide. The templates are based on categories already in place. It would be nice if you have any issue is to put it up on the relevant article or template page and discuss, reach WP:CON rather than deciding to add your POV to it. Thank you. Takamaxa (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Megacity table

Hi, Sevilledade. I see that in April you removed Guangzhou from the table in the Megacity article because you disagreed with the given source. Please remember that we must follow the verifiability and no original research policies—we cannot just decide to omit an entry from the table like this. I've restored Guangzhou to the table, in accordance with the data given by the source. Please feel free to discuss the matter at Talk:Megacity#Inaccurate Data. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 03:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

stop changing hui to Chinese muslims

There is a reason i use the word Chinese muslims instead of hui, beucase during the Republican period in china (1911-1949), the word "Hui" applied to all muslims in China, (see Five Races Under One Union, on the Hui people article it is referenced that Salars were called Sala "Hui", and Uyghurs were called Chantou "Hui") including people Chinese muslims fought against, such Uyghurs and Kirghizes during Battle of Kashgar (1934), only after 1949 were only chinese speaking muslims exclusively refered to as Hui, Europeans called them "Dungans", the reason i don't use that term is because now it refers only to hui in central asia, not in china, i don't want to confuse people, many sources describe Hui as Chinese Muslims

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you are causing only more confusion for people if you change every single instance of Chinese muslim from Republic of China period (1911-1949) to Hui.Дунгане (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I was wrong anyway

Hi Sevilledade,

thx for opening an article about the theme. Already corrected my own writing, for it was misunderstanding what happened with the museum the last years. There has been a Press release in 2006, see

http://en.beijing2008.cn/71/97/article212019771.shtml

Now it seems to me, it had been an enlargement of the old 1988 opened up museum. What do you think? Does it make sense to take over the information?

sören sch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sören sch (talk • contribs) 18:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Pingyao County

I have reverted your move of that page considering the near-total conformity with WP:NC-ZH regarding county-level divisions. Also, consider that Yangshuo County, Guangxi is not at the title "Yangshuo", even though, like Pingyao County, it is well-known in China and even to the world. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Fengshen Yanyi / Fengshen Bang

Hi, I don't wish to start an edit war over Fengshen Yanyi and Fengshen Bang. 封神榜 (Fengshen Bang) produces more results on search engines as compared to 封神演义 (Fengshen Yanyi), so I think we should abide by WP:COMMONNAME and use the former as the article's title. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 09:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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New section at Dream of the Red Chamber

Hi Sevillidade;

I've put a new section at Dream of the Red Chamber which I hope you will find helpful: "Reception and influence in modern times." I plan to make smaller changes to linked pages over the next week or two, so maybe hold off big edits until then (though I would be eager to hear suggestions) Cheers. ch (talk) 05:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello again! I've put a fuller explanation of Saussy's point on the Dream of the Red Chamber talk page. I agree that the phrase, while true, needed elucidation, since in fact it was not the same as saying that Hu Shi simply established "who" the author was. Saussy's point is that in addition, Hu established the concept of authorship itself. Hope this helps. If you don't have access to it, I'd be glad to send you a pdf of the article. ch (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Chart of the Jia Clan

Once again! The German page on DORC [6] Section (Der Jia-Clan) has a very useful table/ chart of the Jia Family. Would you be willing to work out an English language version? I might give it a whirl at some point, but you seem more adept. I tried to copy and paste it, but naturally the template for the German version doesn't work in the English Wikipedia. Cheers. ch (talk) 18:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

While the chart is informative, I think considering the present article's length, such a large chart might not be the most appropriate for the main article. Probably a sub-article would be good.--Sevilledade (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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He has removed multiple words in nearly every single edit, and tons of the articles which he did it in haven't even been fixed I only just reverted this one. You also seemed to have missed that he deleted random words here [7] and here [8]. Please RV his removals!Fixkihitter (talk) 07:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

tea & cha

Hi,

Re. this,[9] do you have evidence that the early source was Mandarin rather than Cantonese? (I reverted you to be safe, though it's quite possible that some people acquired the word from Peking rather than Macao or Canton, if we can source it.) If we're just going by sound, we could just as easily argue for Japanese. Also, if there was borrowing from both Cantonese and Mandarin, then that's a third strand, and IMO should be counted separately from the Portuguese at Macao. (Though granted that may cause problems with trying to be consistent with the Sinospheric languages.) — kwami (talk) 12:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. The etymological dict. entry is useful. I see that it is the Persian chai strand that comes from Mandarin; AFAICT, the other cha words are still from Cantonese. That makes them easy to keep straight. — kwami (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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Pipa

I undid your passage from Encyclopaedia because it contains assertions that we are not sure of. For example this phrase "plucked stringed instruments, both indigenous and imported". There are at least 3 theories about ancient pipas - 1) they are all foreign, but with some minor modifications, 2) the earliest ones are Chinese, the later ones foreign, 3) the earliest ones are Chinese, the later ones are hybrid of Chinese and foreign instrument, and then there are variations of these theories, resulting in even many more theories. If theory 1 is true, then there isn't an actual indigenous pipa, so that Britannica statement would be false.

The statement from Liu Xi about the foreign nature of pipa is especially important in that respect because it is from late Han Dynasty (the other Han Dynasty source say origin unknown). What that tells us is that the Han Dynasty pipa has a foreign origin according to the earliest sources. The problem came with the later sources from the Jin Dynasty - they say early pipa may have a Chinese origin, and that is what caused a lot of confusion in interpretation of its history. The Fu Xuan one is especially dubious, given that there are assertions in there which are most likely to be untrue (for example, it says pipa was introduced from China to places outside China, we can say this is unlikely because such lute instruments existed outside China for a thousand years before it appeared in China.) Nevertheless, many modern Chinese people would make a case for Chinese origin for pipa based on these Jin dynasty sources. It is too much to go into detail in this article about the various theories or which one has more merit, I don't want to make the article excessive long going into tedious academic analysis of the various issues, so I chose the language that would avoid statement which could possibly be untrue.

There are even more problems with the different pipas - Qin pipa, Qinhanzi, Han pipa (some Chinese sources would tell you these are all the same, when ancient texts suggest otherwise), hu pipa, bent-neck pipa, Kuchean pipa (some Chinese sources would again tell you they are all the same, but I have my doubt, see for example that pipa player picture - that pipa held by the player has 4 strings but without a bent-neck. BTW that picture is too small which made it unpleasant to look at and see clearly, which is why I prefer the bigger one). These problems are not worth getting into in an article like this, it'll just confuse people. This article as it is is probably more accurate in some respect than the Encyclopaedia Britannica one. There are however a number of other sentences which other people have entered but which I haven't checked, so they might have inaccurate information there. Hzh (talk) 00:49, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

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Radisson Blu Pudong wikipedia page

Dear Sevilledade,

Currently, I am trying to publish an article about Radisson Blu Hotel Pudong, but failed due to the Wikipedia COI policy. I was Looking through the edit history of Fairmont Peace Hotel Shanghai. Since you have been a major editor of the Fairmont Peace Hotel page, may I ask you to give me some advise as to how I can get my page published? I tried but unfortunately, it was "tagged for speedily deletetion" and shortly after, deleted.

This hotel is of major importance with respect to contemporary Chinese, Taiwanese and Korean Art. It also became the new spot for Shanghainese graffiti artists, after the graffiti wall in Morganshan Lu had been demolished.

I hope you can help me to publish it,

Kind regards,

s9crmeye — Preceding unsigned comment added by S9crmeye (talk • contribs) 03:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ye Shiwen

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Zhao Chang

Hi! Concerning this edit, could you elaborate on your edit summary (What the description says). What "description" are you referring to? In fact, I don't remember where I took that year/century from and JAANUS says 11th c. instead of 12th (which I had), so I am a bit confused... bamse (talk) 19:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and sorry for the confusion. As for the image description on commons, if I upload an artwork of which I only know a period and not an exact date, I usually add "before end-year-of-period" in order to make clear that it is old (for copyright purposes). So the only meaning of "Southern Song Dynasty, before 1279" is that is is dated to the Southern Song Dynasty and that the Southern Song ended in 1279. The Japanese sources I found such as the official database of National Treasures or the museum's website say that it is Southern Song (not Northern). Haven't found a reliable source for a century, so for the time being I will remove the century from the article. bamse (talk) 11:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

MIT and Tsinghua

Hi, Dade! I looked at your edits. The thing is that Tsinghua is still referred to as the MIT of China, even after the multidisciplinary system was put in place. Currently the article made it sound like it was a thing of the past to call it the MIT of China WhisperToMe (talk) 23:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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I am an actual student at Peking University and, whether I'm in Europe or in Beijing, PKU is indeed widely known by both Europeans and Chinese people as the "Harvard of China". This is not an irrelevant comparison; it is a matter of fact, and one of Wikipedia's purposes is to record facts. Furthermore, it is not advertisement but a fact that PKU is frequently (note the time adverbial here) ranked as the top Chinese university, although there are numerous rankings that do not consider PKU to be China's top university. Have a look at Harvard university's wiki page and you will find many statements which, by your standards, are "peacock expressions" and "advertisements". Sehenswurdigkeiten (talk) 03:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Response to your edits on the Peking University article

Hello Sehenswurdigkeiten. First, if you look at the Harvard University page, it does not contain statement such as "Harvard is considered as the best university in the United States" (even if that is true in many circles based on rankings, just as Peking University is ranked by many as the best in China; however the Harvard University page only word it as "one of the most prestigious") nor does it contain statement such as "Harvard is considered as the Oxford of United States". A truly great university does not need to advertise or brand itself like that. In fact, if you look at many of the top universities articles here, such as University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, Stanford University, Princeton University, University of Toronto, ETH Zurich, etc... (the list goes on), none of them label themselves after other top universities, as the "Harvard of Canada", "Harvard of France", "Harvard of...", etc. I'm sure there are many articles on the internet that does do that, but it doesn't mean such information is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Otherwise it would get wildly repetitive and non-creative (every top university becomes a "Harvard" of something).

Listen, there is no doubt that Peking University is among the crème de la crème of all the universities in China. However, there is definitely more elegant ways of conveying these information than the labels and shouting that it is the best. Insisting on calling it the "Harvard of China" just seems rather "sad", and may I say it, "insecure". Why "labeling" itself after another university from another country? Why not think of the university as simply "the Peking University of China". Let the name "Peking University" speak for itself.

Since you are a Peking University student, I'm sure you would want in the near future, students in other countries comparing their universities to the Peking University right? I highly doubt that would happen if the university is known as the "Harvard of China."--Sevilledade (talk) 16:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

Hi Sevilledade;

I appreciate your careful eye and many edits, since we work on many of the same articles. But in many recent cases, there has been no explanation in the edit summary, which makes it harder for us to learn from your edits. To take but one example, the most recent edit to The Carnal Prayer Mat, where I can't see what change has been made, if any. Cheers, ch (talk) 04:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

University rankings

Hi! Sorry to disturb.

I had changed the format of the section of "university rankings" on the articles of various Chinese and Taiwanese universities into point forms but the edits were all reversed by you with the reason of bad formatting. I'm not going to argue but I would like to know your reason or notion behind. My reason of editing is to make it more clear to read.

By the way, it seems that you are also concerning about the articles of Chinese higher education institutes, I would like to seek your help in improving them. I added back the results of some updated university rankings on the articles mentioned above and you can go and have a look on them.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.136.64.76 (talk) 16:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I got your message. Thanks for your attention! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.136.64.76 (talk) 15:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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Huaben, anyone?

Thanks again for your customary close reading at Bianwen. I will expand the point a little, maybe referencing Victor Mair on the Indian influences. Idema and Haft say "Bianwen" is used in two senses, one for all Tang tales found at Dunhuang, the other for Buddhist tales.

I will also expand the sentence at Jin Ping Mei. Probably the text should be "published" in the late Ming, but I will look at Plaks again to make sure that we have his point right.

But my immediate idea is to say that I've created Huaben, which you might also want to look over if you have time.

Cheers in any case ch (talk) 18:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Stop deleting correct information.

Hi there,

While I appreciate that you fixed a few errors in my edits, I certainly do not agree with you deleting most of my content from Peking University page.

There is nothing wrong with Peking University Shenzhen having a large presence on the Peking University page because 1. PKU Shenzhen is a highly specialized satellite campus of PKU and most people find PKU Shenzhen through PKU main campus website and wiki page . 2. The concept of a satellite school having a separate page and a presence on the parent institutions's wiki page is not new . Tsinghua University has a large section about it's department of Economics , Johns Hopkins University has a large section about its School of International Studies.PKU Shenzhen hence deserves a place in the PKU wiki page. Just because "you feel" that the section need not be there does not mean you will delete it outright.

I agree that PKU Shenzhen had a large section of PKU page but that is because PKU page itself is less updates and does not do justice to the 100 year old Peking University. I suggest you start expanding the Peking University page itself .

Please refrain from deleting anything in the future unless it is outright wrong . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny7338 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The 100 Most Influential Books Ever Written

On this page, I have added the widely accepted dates. Martin Seymour-Smith wasn't very good at giving dates, he cites 1200 for a book, which is usually cited at 600 BCE, thus, his listings are accept, no disagreement there, but many of his dating estimates aren't relevant or perfect. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Sounds about to be right. No problem. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Book of Documents

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Black Coal, Thin Ice

Hey, I'm trying to translate the content on the Chinese page into English. Can you please review it since I'm having some difficulties with some of the phrases. Also, I'm new to wikipedia, I'm not sure about the style.

Idea/Preparation The project started from Diao Yinan's idea to film a detective story. He stated his purpose as follow, “in many [astonishing] criminal cases happening in China nowadays, I saw 斑斓奇异的色彩 in the seemingly ordinary beings”. Diao spent eight years in total to write the screenplay; the final one being used is already the third draft. The first draft was completed in 2005, where it was then an cold color art film. But after talking to his cooperators who were more concerned about the box office, he decided to make it warmer. Out of commercial consideration, the film was finally made in to a detective film noir.

>astonishing is too strong, the original text mains "cases that are both clever and surprising" >I don't know what is 斑斓奇异的色彩 in English; it means "full of quirky and splendid color", but it sounds weird in English — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcti22 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Sevilledade,

In a recent edit summary, you wrote: "I can leave [the characters/pinyin] on there, but the purpose of that template is to put all the Chinese related stuff in there".

Is it really? To put "all" the Chinese-related stuff there? I'm not so sure. There's a sentence in the Chinese MoS regarding this: "[using an infobox] removes the characters, romanization and pronunciations from the opening sentence..." That sentence dates way back to 2007, and seems to never have been addressed since. It is, I think, a mistake. The purpose of the Chinese infobox is to provide a box with more extensive linguistic information on the title of the article, such as dialect and Simp/Trad difference data. I see no reason why having at least the basic characters and, if necessary, some pinyin in the lead would present a problem, as quite a number of Chinese-related FAs do this (see, for example, Zhang Heng). At some point this will probably need to be discussed on the MOS:CHINESE talk page. For now, would you be ok with holding off on making these en masse edit summary-less changes? Thanks.  White Whirlwind  咨  02:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Jin Chinese and Mongolian are also widely spoken.

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