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BlaccCrab back on another registered account

Latest comment: 8 months ago5 comments4 people in discussion

I'm not necessarily expecting you to block them based on my say-so, but I'm entirely sure Chopdrop1999 is BlaccCrab, already back after they used that IP address in September last year that @Ad Orientem: blocked. I can tell their tone and the style of their edits from a mile off, always buzzing around on hip hop articles: [1] [2]. They were using 98.117.49.13 until they registered the account last month, obviously because their fighting over what's a "promo single" and what's not (as you might know is part of BlaccCrab's MO) was not working out for them (reverting Issan Sumisu on a Sum 41 article).

Among other connections. As I pointed out in September of last year, they will always return to the same topics. Ss112 21:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Ping @Drmies. Would your Magic 8 Ball be of any use here? -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hmm well kind of but no, not really--but you should go ahead and block em both, for a long time. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
@Drmies @Ss112 Chopdrop1999 indeffed. The IP hasn't edited in at least two weeks so I'm not comfortable with a block there. But if they resume, I will drop a long block on them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Sergecross73 msg me 03:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Members

Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Here are some examples straight from Dustin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097i_TmLEaE

Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starset/comments/rr8yeb/did_cory_juba_join_the_band/

"Yes. At the Columbus show, Dustin said he was officially in the band and how it's nice to have the band finally having a "complete" feel since he is doing the stuff live instead of having prerecorded things."

Also, they have official numbers now. Siobhan is 7701, Zuzana is 7702, and Cory is 7703. Hpylori808 (talk) 18:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Fan shot Youtube videos and reddit posts are not reliable sources on Wikipedia. They violate WP:USERG. This won't cut it. Please keep the discussion on the article talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

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List of calypsos with sociopolitical influences

Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Sergecross73, hope everything is alright with you. I stumbled upon List of calypsos with sociopolitical influences. Since you're also editing music-related articles, what do you think of it? I am not sure if it's needed at all, are particular genres of music typically broken down by topic in a list? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a pretty weird article. Not a normal cross-section of topics at all. And despite its massive lengthy, there's really not much of substance. There's no context beyond a ton of song names that largely don't have their own articles for context either.
Peesonally, I don't think it's appropriate...but because every item appears be sourced, it probably wouldn't be a slam dunk at AFD either. I think you might get some push back. Sergecross73 msg me 22:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Technical help with page move over redirect?

Latest comment: 8 months ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Hello Sergecross73, I was wondering if you might be willing and able to move Friendly Fire (Linkin Park song) to Friendly Fire (song). If I had the page mover right, I'd just do it myself. Per the disambiguation at Friendly Fire#Music, there appears to be no other notable songs with the title, just a B-side from I Get Along (Pet Shop Boys song) that can be added as a hatnote if need be. Thanks. Left guide (talk) 00:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help. Done! Sergecross73 msg me 01:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks again! Left guide (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
No problem. I'll do it any time (provided the request is policy-based and has no consensus against it, of course.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Might you also be willing to move Minutes to Midnight (Linkin Park album) to Minutes to Midnight (album)? There's only one other album of the same name, and the comparison of daily page views is 592 vs. 2, so this looks like a clear primary topic in an WP:INCOMPLETEDAB situation. A {{for}} hatnote for the Jon English album can be added to the Linkin Park album page to maintain navigation. Thanks. Left guide (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I personally agree with you, but it looks like that happened due to an unanimous (albeit small) talk page consensus at Talk:Minutes to Midnight (Linkin Park album)#Requested move 26 March 2017, so it may be better to start up a new discussion on that one first. If you pursue it, let me know and I'll participate. Sergecross73 msg me 18:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity

Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hey Serge, I see that you have active eyes always on the Mario article. Is it of interest to you to work on the article beyond general maintenance? Such as expansion, sourcing, all that.

I ask because this is more or less on my radar, and I think a collab would be fun. Thinking GA at the very least, to TFA at the most. Panini! • 🥪 20:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help - I'm pretty knowledgeable and interested in everything Mario. But...you'd have to be leading the way. It's not the sort of thing I'd lead - my interests often change on a whim, and I don't usually care about the whole GA that much either. So I'd help...but I'd probably fall somewhere between helper/assistant/consultant type help I guess. Sergecross73 msg me 14:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Possible problematic editor

Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Sergecross73, I recently saw the edits on some video game articles by TruthseekerW. They also made some edits to controversial topics (abortion, vaccines). I've left them a message, but their reactions feels very hostile very quickly. I'd rather not have another protracted dispute like with Atmospherpolyphonic, so I came straight to you. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 22:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I left them a note, but I wouldn't worry about them too much. RGW editors like that are generally pretty quick to be reverted and dealt with at ANI. Sergecross73 msg me 22:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Cancelled N64 games

Latest comment: 8 months ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hey, Surge, thanks for all your hard work on List of cancelled Nintendo 64 games, it looks fantastic. I went poking through the articles in the cancelled N64 and 64DD games categories, and after culling out everything already on the page and 64DD games that went to cartridge, here's the remaining games Wikipedia has categorized that are missing from the master list:

I'm sure some of these have good sources on their individual articles and can be just moved over to the main page, but I'd like a little help vetting each of these and making sure we can find sources to confirm they belong in those categories or if they should be removed. (I'm already a little shaky on including Harry Potter, since Nintendo did make a pitch but the game technically never entered production.) I figure the five 64DD games would be harder to find stuff on since they might not have gotten much coverage in English sources, so if you'd be willing to poke around for those, I can start chipping away at the rest. No pressure, though; just something to consider if you want to keep fleshing the article out. Thanks! Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, and for helping out some. I've been working on converting these lists to the "extended format" that gives details for the last couple years, and there's not usually many others working on it. Which is fine, its been more of my pet project, but its still appreciated when someone does help.
So, some thoughts on what you've said above:
  1. If you want to put that list on the article's talk page, we can tag team checking through it, leaving notes, etc. There may be a lot of false-positives - in cleaning up other lists in the past, it seems like there's a lot of false leads in working through Wikipedia's category system. Still worth doing, but just an FYI, there's a lot of junk to search through
  2. The 64DD article is pretty well developed, so I was planning on combing through 64DD#Proposed for leads as well.
  3. I've personally generally included "rejected pitches" in the cancelled games lists, as long as I could find reliable sources to write the entry, so I wouldn't be opposed to including HP.
  4. I've had a lot of luck searching through https://www.ign.com/games/platform/n64 both for sources and for entry ideas. It helped with a lot of entries I was going to remove as verification failures.
I do plan on working on it further...but I've also been contemplating taking a brief break on it for now just to do something different for a bit (I spent a lot of time on it this year so far.) But if I take a break, I don't believe it'll be too long. Sergecross73 msg me 17:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Sounds good. I've removed a handful of entries added by anons that I couldn't find mention of or sources for anywhere. I'll get the new list made over on the talk page. Thanks again! -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Wild 9

Latest comment: 7 months ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Why did you revert the composer on Wild 9? Dikiciyan is credited as Additional Music with his alias "Sonic Mayhem". [3] You don't have to add citation on every staff who worked on the game when the info is readily available. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 11:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You need to follow WP:V, and we're talking about an obscure 25 year old game stuck on the PS1 - that info is not in-fact "readily available" - we must follow WP:YOUTUBE as well. Sergecross73 msg me 11:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
That timestamp I linked is an in-game staff roll, which is about as accurate as it can get. What's the template for citing that source? Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 12:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
That violates WP:YOUTUBE. Sergecross73 msg me 12:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
No, I'm not talking the YouTube video; I'm trying to cite the staff roll that can be accessed within the video game. I merely posted the YouTube link to show what it looks like. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Obvious sockpuppet of Pjesnik21

Latest comment: 7 months ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Hi Serge. User:Pjesnik21 has re-registered with the account Drolq. You might remember this user is clearly based in the Balkans somewhere as they primarily edit articles of people from that area, pop music articles in general, and they couldn't stop habitually overlinking. The biggest giveaway: Pjesnik21 created List of number-one singles of 2023 (Croatia), and Drolq has created List of number-one singles of 2024 (Croatia). You protected the 2023 list so socks couldn't edit for a while, but it expired. Also:

All seems pretty obvious to me. Ss112 00:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Btw Pjesnik21 is continuing to evade their block. @Ferret and Ad Orientem: in case it warrants further analysis (I personally don't think it does). Ss112 23:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I welcome additional input. I'm stuck at "possible, but is it probable?" Sergecross73 msg me 00:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
@Ss112 Confirmed,   Blocked and tagged, go forth and WP:BANREVERT. You should probably be on the look out for more. -- ferret (talk) 01:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Greenish Pickle!

Latest comment: 7 months ago10 comments5 people in discussion

Greenish Pickle! is continuously removing stuff he/she don't like in the articles even if it's sourced and have engaged in arguments with me and other Wikipedians in the past. Can you please talk to them and warn them. Thanks. Kazama16 (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Kazama16, if there's an issue with a particular article, could you please provide the diffs? I can't really tell you try to resolve an issue either, except for User talk:Greenish Pickle!#Reverted edits on Mario, which is a three weeks old discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
The user gave me hate speech (kinda) here [18] there are more hate speeches directed to me in the past months. But actually we are fine now since the user ended the dispute. [19] Kazama16 (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I think you both could stand to be a bit nicer to each other, but that's about it. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, especially when you're working on high profile, popular pages like Mario or Link. Disagreements are bound to happen. Just start up discussions on the talk page when that happens, and work towards finding a WP:CONSENSUS. I watch over the Mario article and can add Link to my WP:WATCHLIST too. Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
How about we shouldn't let him edit a highly visible articles like Link and Mario yet? Look at this [20]. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 07:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm really confused, are you jealous of me or something? because you only see negativities in me. How about [21] and [22] and also I removed Anime News Network encyclopedic articles because they are unreliable and can be edited by anyone, I also gave this template [23] in the edit summary but you still reverted my edit. See my friend I don't want any arguments with you and wish the best for you ❤️ Kazama16 (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The heck, why would I get jealous over a naive person with zero achievement?🤡 Also, with that Anime News Network stuff, I self-reverted myself. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Congrats. Kazama16 (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe anybody needs to be full on blocked from the article. There is currently a lot of community interest in working on the Mario article so I believe issues with the article will be ironed out through edits and talk page discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 15:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This same user discussed here also made accusations toward me in the AfD discussion for Charlie Morningstar and here, which I do not agree with. AfDs can sometimes get too contentious, so I'll probably lean toward staying away from them in the future. In any case, I will work to be better with commenting in the future.Historyday01 (talk) 12:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

IPv6 hello

Latest comment: 7 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

@Sergecross73 2601:842:C180:4A00:382E:78F6:25EF:DC7E (talk) 20:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, can I help you? Sergecross73 msg me 20:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Elden Ring talk page

Latest comment: 7 months ago16 comments6 people in discussion

Hey Sergecross73, is Talk: Elden Ring on your watchlist? In short succession, Phlogistonatorspam (talk · contribs), IAintReadingALLThat (talk · contribs), Bellbearinghunter (talk · contribs) and RoyBokChoy (talk · contribs), all new accounts, made gameguide-like suggestions. Three of the four accounts claim to be studying at the University of Minnesota. Same person or weird coincidence of four like-minded individuals? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

That ones actually not on my watchlist, so I hadn't noticed. Yes, it could be WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT violations. Or it could just be a bunch of buddies who joined at the same time or something, and they're all equally unaware of how Wikipedia works. To me, its really only an issue if they're they become disruptive or appear to be WP:CANVASSing with one another to get their way. Not opposed to others doing a CU if they believe otherwise though, but I'd just work on trying to get them up to speed first. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello! Just want to make some clarifications and provide some background into the suspicious influx of multiple likeminded accounts on Elden Ring. Myself, Phlogistonatorspam (talk · contribs), RoyBokChoy (talk · contribs), and IAintReadingALLThat (talk · contribs) are all University of Minnesota undergraduate students studying social computing. One of our projects involves making edits to Wikipedia pages of interest and documenting the process. We all pair up in groups and contribute in some way to a page we find interesting. Elden Ring happened to be a page of interest for a couple groups in this class. Apologies for any violations of community norms... I am very new to this and have yet to learn the standards of making Wiki edits. But yeah... no WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT issues here :) Bellbearinghunter (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Okay, no worries. This sort of thing happens. You haven't done anything wrong, it's just that long-term editors see a lot of people try to abuse Wikipedia and wish to be quick to address it, and sometimes there are false-positives. As long as you four dont go around teaming up in every discussion together to get your way in debates, you should be fine.
It may be a bit overwhelming, but there is all sorts of guidance at MOS:VG on what to include or exclude on video game related Wikipedia articles. WT:VG is a good place to ask questions too. There's plenty of editors, myself included, who you can ask questions too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you Sergecross73for providing some guidance on what to include on video game related Wikipedia articles. As Phlogistonatorspam said, we are new to the Wikipedia editing process, but overall we just want to improve the wiki. I was actually unaware that other people from our class chose to do editing on Elden Ring, haha. Please provide us with any suggestions or comments with the edits that we propose. I will look over the two articles you provided in order to gain a better understanding of what is relevant for video game articles. Nice to meet you all. RoyBokChoy (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Sergecross73 (talk · contribs) Thanks for the guides. I will look into these and apply them to future discussions and edits. I appreciate it! Bellbearinghunter (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I'll try to come on some of your talk page questions soon. Sergecross73 msg me 01:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone, sorry my late reply. Great that you all decided to help out Wikipedia. I didn't mean to come off as suspicious! Like Sergecross73 said, I've seen my fair share of abuse, but I try to assume good faith.
But now, what's weird, is that there's a similar thing going on at Talk: Helldivers 2. There is ZNeptune (talk · contribs), Blund013 (talk · contribs) and Pherur (talk · contribs) made new topics in 24 hours. Two of those accounts were created on March 1, the other March 2. And similarly, they created their userpages first. Like the four Minnesotan editors here. Are these also part of the social computing studies? Shouldn't a class project be clarified? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 00:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
@Brianda (Wiki Ed) Are you aware of a class for UoM going on? Looks like there may be a couple of classes active and working together here that are not advertised as such. -- ferret (talk) 00:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I think we can add DuMmyfizh (talk · contribs) to that list as well. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 00:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, yes we are also apart of the class, sorry to appear suspicious to y'all. There are actually several groups of people working on different articles, hence why we were working on a different page. Those two places for guidance about videogame edits would have been very helpful earlier on in this task, we were just given some general guidance about good Wikipedia editing and stuff. Sorry for any naive additions we may have tried to make, we were just genuinely trying to provide some good contributions. Also sorry about the lack of advertisement. I think the general assumption from our professor was that since we are only adding quality contributions (trying to at least) disclosure of it being part of a course may have been overlooked. Thank you all for being so helpful and understanding about this, the deadline for this assignment is soon so I assume you won't see more suspicious groups pop up in the near future. ZNeptune (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi ZNeptune, I will definitely give you all the benefit of the doubt, since the edits were all in good faith and mostly on talk pages anyway, but I don't understand: all these accounts were created at the start of this month. Besides creating a userpage, these accounts haven't made any edits until March 27 and the days following, but the deadline of the assignment is soon? Don't get me wrong, I am no stranger to procrastination - I am doing so as we speak! But what is the assignment? Why does it involve video game articles talk pages? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 01:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes we all had to make accounts when we submitted a proposal for what topics we wanted to work on, hence them all being made at the same time. Its not specific to videogame pages, it just happened to be that a few groups choose those pages. We are supposed to try to contribute to a page and they also wanted us to post on the talk page to discuss changes I think, but it seems like discussions about that happen more in places like MOS:VG and WT:VG. We had to write a paper reflecting on our experience making changes, what we changed, why and how we thought it improved the page, etc. We were definitely supposed to spread out our edits more, but school and life happens and a lot of work ended up being done near the deadline unfortunately. I have let the professor know about us being flagged as bots in the reflection essay, and hopefully they will learn from this and have students disclose themselves if they do the assignment again next year. Hopefully that helps clarify things. ZNeptune (talk) 01:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
@ZNeptune To be clear, nothing was really done wrong. But the way everything lined up, it led to suspicion. If you want more material for writing up your reflection essay, the relevant pages are WP:SOCK (One person with multiple accounts) and WP:MEAT (Multiple people acting in concert). Unfortunately, these are both very common issues, so 8(+) accounts behaving like this can raise some eyebrows. -- ferret (talk) 01:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
While I'm here, I'll note a couple days ago, a set of 3-4 editors announced they were editing Discord together. I suspect it may be the same class. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear we didn't do anything wrong (besides unknowningly making gameguide suggestions/edits), and I totally understand how it seems very suspicious, I would have thought the same in your position. I made sure to add in those SOCK and MEAT aspects to the paper. It might be, the specifics for what page a group could choose, was that it had to have at least 10 edits per month, and at least 3 talk posts a month. The assignment was assigned at the beginning of March (before spring break), and due at the end, and group sizes were 3-4. Hopefully that helps. ZNeptune (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Vandalism part 33

Latest comment: 7 months ago90 comments15 people in discussion

Serge's 33rd iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 21:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Cleter merged content per Talk:Beyblade#Requested_merge_12_October_2023 but that discussion has not closed and people oppose the move. Looks like he stopped eidt warrring though.
He created a second account User:Jalos92 which was blocked indefinitely and he was warned. Timur9008 (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I gave them a final warning, and a bit of an explanation, as I'm not sure all the templated responses necessarily conveyed the issues. But there's little room for confusion now. Let me know if it happens further. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Sergecross73, you could check out Inteqaam (talk · contribs)? This edit warring already, perhaps a WP:CIR issue. Thanks. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Its not a competence issue instead of engaing in the talk page your reverting my edits even when clearly the other user was at fault. Inteqaam (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Looks like someone beat me to it. Sergecross73 msg me 15:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks anyway! Different question: what do you make of SomeWeb (talk · contribs)? Here for four and half years, 19 edits, all related to pornography, including adding inappropriate external links. They received several warnings. WP:NOTHERE? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Sergecross73, did you see my previous message? If no action is needed I understand, but at the same time I feel that if an editor would do those kind of edits in a very short they would be indeffed quickly. Thoughts? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, I did miss this. It looks like it came through around the same time as a bunch of other messages.
I gave the guy a more comprehensive warning about sources, but since his damage to the project is fairly minimal (he edits pretty infrequently) I didn't think it was time to jump to a block yet. Sergecross73 msg me 12:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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