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Your submission at Articles for creation edit
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- Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Dreams are real. TV is not. (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. There are actually a couple of different issues that contributed to the decision that it was too promotional:
- The final section sounds like an advertising brochure. As well as operating a modern GMP manufacturing facility, FORZA is certified ISO 22000, ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 in recognition of its compliance with international quality, safety and environmental standards. The company is also a member of Leatherhead Food Research and holds 15 trademarks with the Intellectual Property Office. We really need to make sure that article sections describe their subjects neutrally; this doesn't mean that you need to mention problems where none exists, but it does mean that we have to watch our adjectives and the way that we present positive points; in this specific situation, it would have been good to mention the ISO certifications with links (which you provided) and nothing more.
- Much of the rest of the article was uncited and talked about the company's achievements in this way or that (e.g. the portion on T5 pills emphasised how Forza "completely transformed the food supplement industry"); when sources aren't provided for such strongly positive statements, it makes us wonder about the extent to which we can trust those statements.
Please note that I deleted it after someone else had already reviewed it and declined your submission as advertising. Pages can be undeleted by administrators upon users' requests, so that the users can improve them; we generally don't do this with things deleted as advertising, but I would be happy to email you the contents of the page if you wish. Nyttend (talk) 12:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Email sent. Two reminders: (1) You left a note at my talk page while logged out, which causes your IP address to be displayed. This can be used to identify you, which doesn't matter if you don't care, but it's a big deal if you don't want to be identified. Do you want it to be removed? I can do it easily, or I can leave it alone if you don't care. Either way, it's a good idea to make sure that you're logged in when editing, if for no other reason than that your edits will all be together at your contribution page that way. (2) Forgot to mention that we normally don't have article titles in all caps. This is done for entities whose names are acronyms, e.g. NATO or NASA, but entities that simply style their names in all caps have articles with normal sentence case, e.g. Lego or Time (magazine). Not a big deal; if you resubmit it with all caps and it's accepted, the reviewer will probably end up moving it. Nyttend (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Check the history of my talk page; you'll see that I changed the link in the signature, and the IP address is no longer visible. And no need to apologise; the caps thing is a thoroughly minor issue that's easily fixed. Nyttend (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Go ahead; I'll be happy to try to help. Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'll need to be in my car before long, but I can offer a couple of preliminary comments: (1) The tone sounds better. Nothing in particular, but the whole thing seems more neutral and less promotional. (2) You still need to improve the sourcing substantially. Putting a citation after a piece of text says "All this text comes from that source", and while I've not yet checked most of the sources, the middle part of "The UK's first legal T5" is concerning — your source doesn't mention Forza or the T5. Remember, however, that it's at AFC specifically so that you can improve it gradually instead of needing to have it all at once. I'll try to get you a better review later today. Nyttend (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Got your note as I was preparing for work, and I'm on just a short break right now, so I can't yet help you. I'll try to do it this evening (overnight UK time), so if I've not done it when you check in tomorrow, please leave me a reminder note. Nyttend (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- Ugg, sorry — I had plenty of time last night and completely forgot. Your tone is quite neutral; I don't think there are any problems with it, and I doubt that others will object. If the T5 were a big deal for the company, it should definitely be mentioned, and the way you're writing about it now is quite appropriate. There's just one thing I'd advise you changing: unless I overlooked something, the current version of the draft has just one source that discusses Forza directly (citation #4), while the rest are talking about side issues. It's fine to have sources for side issues that are relevant, and all of your side issues look relevant, but you need to change the citations somewhat, because right now the side-issue sources are being used to cite statements about Forza — for example, #3 doesn't mention the T5, but the current version of the draft makes it look as if the source talks about the T5 being replaced. This, together with the lack of sources for the section on the technology centre, means that the page isn't ready yet for being an article; however, this is precisely why we have places like Articles for Creation, since it's important that you be able to draft something gradually instead of needing to write everything all at once. Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Got your note as I was preparing for work, and I'm on just a short break right now, so I can't yet help you. I'll try to do it this evening (overnight UK time), so if I've not done it when you check in tomorrow, please leave me a reminder note. Nyttend (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'll need to be in my car before long, but I can offer a couple of preliminary comments: (1) The tone sounds better. Nothing in particular, but the whole thing seems more neutral and less promotional. (2) You still need to improve the sourcing substantially. Putting a citation after a piece of text says "All this text comes from that source", and while I've not yet checked most of the sources, the middle part of "The UK's first legal T5" is concerning — your source doesn't mention Forza or the T5. Remember, however, that it's at AFC specifically so that you can improve it gradually instead of needing to have it all at once. I'll try to get you a better review later today. Nyttend (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Go ahead; I'll be happy to try to help. Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Check the history of my talk page; you'll see that I changed the link in the signature, and the IP address is no longer visible. And no need to apologise; the caps thing is a thoroughly minor issue that's easily fixed. Nyttend (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Forza, a page you created, has not been edited in 6 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.
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Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Forza edit
Hello Sam325. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Forza".
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 16:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)