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I reverted your edit to Jeremy Lin. Per WP:V, sources support him "outplaying" Williams. NPOV is not a lack of a point of view, but a fair representation of all viewpoints. I dont believe there are any verifiable claims that Williams was not outplayed. Feel free to discuss if you have further concerns. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 17:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Still, if we're going to say Williams was outplayed, we should clearly present that as someone's opinion. You can't really present that as a fact. The sportswriters are picking and choosing which statistics to give the most weight to. It's not like Lin outperformed Williams in every statistical category. Zagalejo^^^ 18:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
While someone who didnt watch the game would resort to just looking at the boxscore for comparison, I trust that a journalist is using their expert opinion on the overall game to determine if he was "outplayed/outdueled", which does not necessarily require Lin surpassing Williams in every category, and might also be based on factors not in a boxscore. I do agree on WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV if the opinion is debated now, but the added detail would seem to be too cluttered for what it adds in this case. As a compromise, let's just say Williams was an All-Star and leave it at that.—Bagumba (talk) 18:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

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I'm sorry about removing the information in the legacy section. The only reason I removed the legacy section was because I mistakenly thought the information was already in the article, so yes the information should be added to somewhere else in the article. NBA Fan44 (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Hi, I see that you've resubmitted this article for review, but I don't see any changes from the previous version that was reviewed? The concerns indicated were that the sourcing did not adequately show notability under our rules; have you been able to identify additional references? Please let me know if I'm looking in the wrong place; wouldn't be the first time. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

It looks like Sarah was correct on several levels - for one, Indianapolis is indeed an amateur sports town. But the critical point here, in so far as this article is concerned, is whether the sources provided show that the subject (Mr. Sanders) is indeed Notable under our policies. It may be that he is notable in fact, but that that notability is not confirmed by sources - in which case the article would not be approved, given that the subject is a living person and our rules are fairly strict about Biographies of living persons. In that case, you'd want to find more and better sources to bolster the case for notability, at which time we'd revisit the matter. So let's look at the sources, as they're numbered currently (as per this revision).
  1. This source is from Boston College. It may confirm some data, but does not show that the subject is notable - anyone who played on the team would have a similar page, whether they were notable or not.
  2. This source is a player stat page from ESPN - and, again, any player for whom stats exist would have such a page. This may confirm that Sanders played in games, or for a particular team, but does not indicate notability.
  3. This is the 2008 schedule for the BC Eagles, and does not mention Sanders in any way.
  4. Similarly, this is the 2009 schedule - and, again, Sanders is not mentioned.
  5. This is the recap and Box Score for the win vs. UNC. Sanders is mentioned, but the article is not about him - it's about the team and the win. This is what would be termed "Routine Coverage". It confirms that Sanders played and was present, but isn't directly about Sanders himself.
  6. This is the 2010 schedule for BC - and, again, Sanders is not mentioned.
  7. This article is about Sanders, and does discuss his transfer from BC to Fairfield. It doesn't really go into much depth, honestly, but it is a valid reference.
  8. This article is from the Bleacher Report, and does focus on Sanders - but I'm not sure that the Bleacher Report meets the requirements for a Reliable Source. For one, it's unclear what (if any) editorial control exists; this is a key requirement.
  9. This is a brief mention in a long list from ESPN analyst Andy Katz. The fact that the mention is so brief and the list itself is speculative (players who might be in the running for an award), it's not a good measure of notability.
  10. This is a blank reference. Perhaps a coding error?
  11. This article is from the Connecticut Post, and talks about Fairfield's loss to Mercer in the CIT. It mentions (and quotes) Sanders, but doesn't go into much depth about Sanders himself.
  12. This is an article from the Hartford Courant, and talks specifically about Sanders and his performance at the PIT. It also speculates about his draft prospects.
So I dunno. It's awfully thin, and I can see precisely where Sarah's concerns lie - When we look at Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#College_athletes, we see that Sanders has not won a national award, has not been inducted into the hall of fame for his sport, and has not gained national media coverage on his own merits. But for the mention from Andy Katz, there's no reliable national coverage that I can see. He does have draft prospects, so I looked at the Notability guideline for Pro Athletes in Basketball, and I see that one of the criteria there is "Were selected in the first two rounds of the NBA Draft." So it's possible that Sanders would be considered notable once drafted - and at that point an article would certainly be appropriate. I can't shake the feeling that the article may be premature - and I would not be comfortable approving an article on a living person with this level of sourcing. But it's much more of a "Not yet" concern, as opposed to a "Never ever" concern - Sanders is likely to become notable at some point, and when he does we'll be here. There is no Deadline.
I hope this helps. I can tell from your exchange with Sarah that you feel strongly about this subject, and that's great - but do remember that we're all on the same team here, working to improve the encyclopedia. When we disagree, we don't assume that the other editor doesn't know what they're talking about - we assume that they are acting in good faith. Take a deep breath and see if there are ways to address the concerns - whether by finding more, better sources or by waiting for more obvious notability. Remember to remain WP:CIVIL; your comments on Sarah's talk page seem to have gotten a little heated, and that helps no one. Good luck to you, UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 19:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
That's my point, though - I believe Sarah's analysis was sound, and I largely agree with her. The sources above aren't sufficient to show that Sanders is notable at present. It doesn't mean that he's not notable, it doesn't mean that he won't be more notable down the line - all it means is that we do not have enough references to document that he meets one of our notability criteria. These criteria formed over time through consensus, and articles that don't meet those criteria, and which don't have compelling reasons to keep beyond that, are frequently deleted through the Articles for Deletion process. The argument that people like Jeremy Lin had articles at this point isn't valid, because Jeremy Lin is not Rakim Sanders. Each subject is different, the coverage of each subject is different, and one cannot be equated to the other. The relevant essay is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
And that's the major intent of the Articles for Creation process - when an article moves to the main article space from AFC, it is presumed to be compliant with our policies. In this case, I don't think the article as it stands (and given the sourcing available) would survive a deletion nomination. Better to wait and see what happens with the draft before proceeding, I would think. Once an article is deleted at AFD, it's that much harder to create an article, as there will then be a presumption that the subject is non-notable. My recommendation is that you wait - either leave the draft at AFC for as long as they'll let you, or move it to a userspace draft. Then we'll see. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
I think hiring an agent is an example of routine coverage - there's no analysis, nothing to indicate that it's anything other than reporting the fact that it happened. Plus, everyone in the draft hires an agent, yes? So it's not something that defines Sanders as such. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
The additional source (I assume you mean this one) goes into some detail about Sanders, as you say - but the concern there is that it is a local source. The notability criteria talks about nationwide coverage, and so this would not meet that requirement. I think we cross posted on Friday, as I did not see the new source before posting - so my apologies there.
I'm also concerned that we seem to be talking past each other. My only point about the proposed article is that I do not think the subject meets our notability criteria yet. Period, full stop. Sanders may well be a brilliant player, and there are indications that he will be joining the ranks of the professionals - as we've discussed. And he sounds like a good kid. But those facts do not in any way change whether he meets our notability criteria. The question I asked the other day, when I took the time to read through each of those sources and evaluate them, was whether this article on this subject with these references (plus whatever Google News came up with) would meet the requirements of WP:NBASKETBALL. unfortunately, it does not. There's a suggestion that Sanders will be drafted - and if that's the case, great, he now unambiguously meets our criteria. But that has not yet happened and, by rule, we do not speculate as to whether a subject might become notable. Whether another player has an article, and when that player has an article, does not change how this article on this subject with these references is evaluated. Precedent does not work that way - which is what WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS explains. If other articles are inadequately sourced, perhaps they don't meet our criteria either.
I strongly recommend that you take a moment to review our policies on assuming good faith and on civility. I appreciate that you feel strongly about this subject, and it's clear that you've put in a lot of time to make this article the best that it can be. What I'm saying is that the subject is not (yet!) ready to be approved. That doesn't mean that I didn't bother to read what you posted, or that I'm agreeing with a fellow editor just to screw you over. If I disagreed with Sarah, I would have said so, or asked her to re-evaluate. That's how the process works, we look at the references and the facts available and go from there.
Notice also that I did not decline (or even edit) the resubmitted article - if another editor at AFC wants to approve it, they can. And then someone else can nominate it for deletion if they do not believe it meets our criteria. I'm done. If/when Sanders is drafted, there is no question whatsoever that he would meet one of the Notability criteria (being drafted). The draft is what, six weeks away? Less? I suggest you wait. If that's not acceptable, then good luck to you. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 20:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Sanders is not (yet) notable because he has not been drafted into or played in the NBA or a comparable league overseas, has not won a major award for his play (such as tournament MVP or the like), and has not received widespread nationwide media coverage on his own merits (i.e. not as a result of being part of a team that receives such coverage). Darius Miller seems to have played on the National Championship team, which adds a layer of notability not present with Mr. Sanders - so the comparison is flawed. (The sourcing on the Miller article is lacking, however). The notability of Darius Miller does not in any way change the notability of Rakim Sanders. Now, once Sanders is drafted, or goes to play for a professional team, or receives significant non-local media coverage, an article may be appropriate. Have some patience. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

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OK, I moved the page, and fixed the Reggie Jackson links. (To move a page, you look to the right of the star at the top of the page, and hit that arrow.) Zagalejo^^^ 20:32, 6 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

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I undid the move you made on this page due to the fact that he is playing in the NFL. That is the most current thing in his life so it needs to be at the top. MDSanker 02:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

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