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The determination of a reliable source is not simply based on the website it's from. Alssa1 (talk) 21:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I have read briefly the information about Reliable Sources (RS). It doesn’t appear to name specific sites. However there seems to be an understanding within the Wikipedia community that certain sites such as twitter and YouTube are not RS. A recent example arose on the bellingcat page. Eliot Higgins had written something on his verified twitter account which was then quoted on the bellingcat page. It was later removed on the grounds that twitter isn’t RS. In the maths community thee are results that everyone “knows” are true but which have never been written down. They are known are “folklore”. It feels as though something similar exists within the Wikipedia community. Personally I would prefer that this “folklore” be written down somewhere but there may possibly be reasons for not doing so. Is this a fair assessment? Burrobert 04:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burrobert (talk • contribs)
In this instance, Alssa is attempting to add an anonymous attack video on YouTube as a reliable source for a negative assertion about a controversial public figure. This is unacceptable by any criterion. RolandR (talk) 09:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
An anonymous attack video? Where the hell did you get that idea from? Alssa1 (talk) 11:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
So who is responsible for the video with the machine-generated voice which you added? On what grounds do you claim that this is a reliable source? RolandR (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea regarding the machine generated voice, I'm referring to the clips IN the video, NOT the machine voiced commentary (if you can call it that). Alssa1 (talk) 18:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok that’s fine, but what are your views on my other comments. Is it “folklore” that twitter and YouTube are not RS? Are there any occasions on which either could be used as a source or are they always forbidden? Do you know of any examples? Burrobert 10:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burrobert (talk • contribs)

You would have to check the reliable sources noticeboard. There is no blanket ruling, each instance is treated on its merits. But in principle, a confirmed Twitter feed can be used to verify information about the user (but not about other people), or about their views. A YouTube account of a reputable news provider will be considered as reliable as any other site (printed or online) from the same source, so could be used in some circumstances. RolandR (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks RolandR. That seems like a reasonable policy. Burrobert 17:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burrobert (talk • contribs)


Request for consensus on capitalization of "independent"

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Hi, you may be able to provide insight on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government#Stylistic question about capitalization of "independent" in an infobox. It's clear that "independent" should not be capitalized in a sentence (except if it's the first word), as is the usage in Independent politician, because it is a common noun and not a proper noun, like Republican. Should it be capitalized in an infobox or when it's abreviated in parentheses, i.e. Bernie Sanders (i) vs Bernie Sanders (I)? I look forward to your thoughts at the talk page, above. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 22:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

he.wp

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Hi,

May I ask you a favour? Could you please ask on he.wp to have my user page semi protected? Our old friend, or an impersonator, have been leaving nasty messages there on my user page (if I understood google.translate right), thanks, Huldra (talk) 21:03, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I've just had a look, and the abuse doesn't even make sense - it seems to be just half a sentence. I suspect that the abuser was not a Hebrew speaker, but was using a machine to make an (unsuccessful) translation of their comment. Since, unless I am missing something, this was the only offensive edit, I doubt that this would suffice to have your page protected. I will try to look at the Hebrew WP tomorrow, to see how their page protection works.
And I doubt that this is JA; it is abusive, but not as disturbing as many of his comments. Has he been stalking you here, too? As you may have noticed, the death of the main suspect has virtually eliminated abuse of me - thus confirming our suspicions. RolandR (talk) 23:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
yeah...I somehow was in doubt that this was him...he signed himself with his full first name (J.), and he usually never does that.
But the abuse has been all over...on several wikis I have never edited, like on he.wp, de.wp and wikiquote. It all started about 3 years ago, when I got a SUL account :(
I am lobbying over at meta to get a global semi protect of all my user pages....I am sick of wasting all this time on rubbish like this.
Delighted to see that your abuse have virtually stopped! Not a second too early....Huldra (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Notability is based on published papers (Under the name Amanda. W. Peet) and awards recieved (also under Amanda W.). So their birth name is relevant to the lead per your edit-summary (as its the name by which they are notable). Regards, Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC) Just to add - their notability precedes their gender identity confirmation by about 10 years - even if their wikipedia article did not. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Just to let you know that I declined your request for speedy deletion of S.J. Goldsmith. There is enough assertion of significance to prevent speedy deletion; however, as I noted in my edit summary, you are free to nominate the article via the AfD process if you think Goldsmith lacks the notability to have an article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi RolandR, thank you very much for your additional message -- I have actually not noticed that this was also a copyright violation. I just wonder about the last part of your warning message... "on Facebook"?   ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I must have been dreaming, and typing on autopilot! RolandR (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

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I'm sorry about editing your comments on the talk page. You were 100% correct to make this edit. I had the tab of the main article opened at the same time as the talk page and I must have edited them both by mistake. I apologize wholeheartedly. --GHcool (talk) 01:35, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Apology accepted; I can see that this could have been accidental. Please ignore my angry warning on your own talk page. RolandR (talk) 01:37, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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Engels in Category:German Calvinist and Reformed Christians

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Engels was obviously not a Calvinist christian for the entirety of his life, but apparently, he was a devout adherent of Calvinism in his younger days [1][2][3][4].

[1] "the young Engels. His was a (Calvinist) Reformed upbringing and the faith he inherited was taken up with a zeal and exuberance he would later transfer to communism." - Roland Boer http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0008429810389019

[2] "Engels grew up as a devout, if critical Christian. His family was of the Reformed (Calvinist) part of Christianity. Indeed, his mother was of Dutch background, coming from a country – Holland – that was deeply Calvinist in its north." - Roland Boer https://politicaltheology.com/revolutionary-christianity-friedrich-engels-and-the-aufhebung-of-religion/

[3] "Frederick Engels was born in 1820, in the German city of Barmen. Brought up as a devout Calvinist he moved to England in 1842 to work in his father's Manchester textile firm." - Verso Books (featured authors page) https://www.versobooks.com/authors/776-frederick-engels

[4] "Friedrich Engels (1820– 1895), who grew up in a Reformed family of entrepreneurs, focused on the democratic and republican character of Calvin’s constitution of the church, contrasting it with German Lutheranism that was, according to him, “a willing tool in the hands of petty German princes”." - Stefan Laube https://books.google.com/books?id=cBuwCQAAQBAJ&q=1820-1895#v=snippet&q=1820-1895&f=false

There are hundreds of other sources that verify this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamSmithFan (talk • contribs) 16:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hey. Your revert of me here implies that I only made the edit because of the request. Just wanted to say that I made the edit because, after seeing the request, I was surprised it wasn't already included. See, eg, the ADL ([1]) under the "Is BDS Anti-Semitic?" heading. I'm not going to reinstate, because I know this is a sensitive topic, but the category should be included. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, its in Category:Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, which itself is in Category:Boycotts of Israel, which is in Category:Antisemitic boycotts, which is in Category:Antisemitism, so unless the pre-existing categorization was wrong, there wasn't a big different based on my edit. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. That categorisation, too, was inappropriate and pejorative, and I have removed it. RolandR (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
@RolandR: And yet still Category:Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions -> Category:Boycotts of Israel -> Category:Anti-Zionism -> Category:Antisemitism. Its clear that BDS has long been categorized in a sub-sub-sub category of antisemitism. Given that it is, indeed, a form of antisemitism, please consider reverting your edits. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Certainly not. BDS is not a form of antisemitism, and your repeatedly asserting that it is does not make it so. I, like many other Jews, support BDS, and I am outraged that you therefore consider me to be an antisemite. I urge you to strike out your assertion, which I take as a personal attack. RolandR (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
@RolandR: We shouldn't have the debate about if we consider BDS to be anti-semitic or not. I just ask if you have any sources that say it is not anti-semitic. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Haaretz. Forward. 40 Jewish groups. Gideon Levy. Boycott from Within. Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods. Daniel Blatman. Do you want more? RolandR (talk) 01:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
@RolandR: And yet there is Jewish Voice, Center for Security Policy, National Post, and Huffington Post. There is clearly a divide between sources, and between jews themselves, regarding whether or not its anti-semitic. I respect your view, and won't restore your removal of the antisemitism category. But, I do intend to revert your removal of the categories from Category:Boycotts of Israel and Category:Anti-Zionism and restore them back to the last stable revision. Also, I suggest you take a look at Anti-Zionism#Anti-Zionism and antisemitism. We clearly disagree about this, and I suggest that any further debate be held at the talk page of BDS, anti-zionism, or anti-semitism. --DannyS712 (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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I clipped the category of Category:Jewish resistance members during the Holocaust because the people in question were diffused into subcategories of that category, such as Category:Jewish partisans. The parent category is redundant with the subcategories. I also moved people into subcategories in some cases. Asarelah (talk) 14:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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On May 25, your sent me the message: "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Communism, you may be blocked from editing." I tried to correct the reference to the book "Communism: The Great Misunderstanding" published in 2016. This book was replaced with new one (second edition), published in 2019. I believe that it was beneficial to provide with new better reference. Although I forgot to type the year of publication (2019) I did provide correct ISBN number for the book. Please reconsider. Thanks, Prosto aneg (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, this is very odd. After you replaced the ISBN, I checked the reference. Using the Open Library link, as I always do, I found that it led to the title "Relative value of different weights of tin coating on canned food containers: Report of an investigation by a Technical committee representing the National canners association, the American sheet and tin plate company, and the American can company", published in 1917 by the National canners association. However, on further investigation, I see that clicking on the Google Books link, which I prefer not to do, does indeed lead to the correct title. I have never before come across a case where two different ISBN databases give different books, and I shall pursue this further.
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Hi @RolandR . Sorry if this is a silly question but I was just wondering- how do I know which copy of an article I should revert back to if the current one is vandalism? I would be much helped if you could tell me. Thanks! :) TomSmithNP (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

In the instance I responded to, on Leon Trotsky, you were reverting from a good version to a previously-vandalised one. If you do not understand how to identify and respond to vandalism, you should not be making such edits. I advise you to read the appropriate guidelines before continuing. RolandR (talk) 11:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see!!!! Thanks SOOO much! I'll try not to do that again! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomSmithNP (talk • contribs) 11:45, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi @RolandR . Sorry if this is a silly question but I was just wondering- how do I know which copy of an article I should revert back to if the current one is vandalism? I would be much helped if you could tell me. Thanks! :) TomSmithNP (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

In the instance I responded to, on Leon Trotsky, you were reverting from a good version to a previously-vandalised one. If you do not understand how to identify and respond to vandalism, you should not be making such edits. I advise you to read the appropriate guidelines before continuing. RolandR (talk) 11:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see!!!! Thanks SOOO much! I'll try not to do that again! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomSmithNP (talk • contribs) 11:45, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hey, I remember you are a translator from Hebrew to English so I need your help on a small thing.

This is the summery of the Hebrew source: 

ב2020 מכרז להקמת בית מלון ומתחם נופש בכפר הוצע ליזמים על ידי משרד התיירות ומנהל מקרקעי ישראל. המתחם כולל תכנית לבניית 120 יחידות אירוח ושטח לבניית חנויות, מתקני ספורט, בריכה, שטחים פתוחים ועוד. ההחלטה על המכרז הגיעה בעקבות עליה בתיירות צליינים לארץ הנותנת לגליל הזדמנויות חדשות לאור אתרי הדת, ארכאולוגיה ונוף הרבים המצואים בו. כאוכב מצטרף לכפר שיבלי בו פורסם לראשונה מכרז למלון בכפר בדואי.

This is what I came up with: 

In 2020, a tender was offered by the Ministry of Tourism and Israel Land Administration for the construction of a hotel and tourist resort in the village. The compound includes a plan for 120 accommodation units and space for shops, pools, parks, sports fields and more. The decision was made in light of a rise in pilgrim tourism to Israel which creates new opportunities for the Galilee thanks to its religious, archeological and natural sites. Kaukab joins Shibli–Umm al-Ghanam, where a tender for hotel construction in a Bedouin village was offered for the first time in history.

The problem is that there are a lot of words from the worlds of real-estate and tourism which are absent from my English vocabulary and I suppose that my grammar was also slaughtered in the process. Thanks in advance.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 09:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bolter. Real estate really isn't my expertise either, but I'll try to check the terms. On first glance, this looks fine. The English is perfectly correct and comprehensible, but a bit clunky, so I'll rewrite it at the same time. It's more than thirty years since I was in Kaukab, but I used to know people there; it must have changed a lot since 1984! RolandR (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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