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DYK for Little Cross

On 20 February 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Little Cross, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Little Cross monument in Elgin, Scotland, was listed as a Category A building in 1971? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Little Cross. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Little Cross), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

NPPSCHOOL

Just a quick reminder that it's been a bit over two weeks since I posed an as-yet-unanswered followup question on your NPPSCHOOL page. Once we wrap up original research, the next topic is speedy deletions. signed, Rosguill talk 22:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry Rosguill. I'll try to be more active in the future, taking a look now. Thanks, Puddleglum2.0 00:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
OK, I can get to that Saturday morning. (PST). Thanks for your patience. Puddleglum2.0 01:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
no worries, I just wanted to check in in case it had slipped off your radar. signed, Rosguill talk 01:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Cool, thanks Rosguill. As you can see in the above thread, I've written an article! It was an interesting process. Thanks again, Puddleglum2.0 01:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020 GOCE blitz bling

  The Cleanup Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copy edits totaling over 6,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2020 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 17:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Fajr International Film Festival

Hi Puddleglum, I don't want to template you with {{GOCE-ab-noedits}}, but what's the status of your c/e of Fajr International Film Festival, where you've yet to make an edit? Cheers, Baffle☿gab 10:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Baffle gab1978: Whoops! I'm so sorry, I forgot I signed up to review that article! Working on it now. Again, so sorry! Puddleglum2.0 21:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for that. It's a short article. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
@Baffle gab1978: Thanks for reminding me. I just had a quick question for you about the article (I could raise it elsewhere, but I do want your opinion.) A lot of the article's content is just lists; is that acceptable? None of the list contents are even linked. Thanks, Puddleglum2.0 04:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I saw there's two or more large lists in there. They are unreferenced so you're well within policy to remove them without discussion. It's up to you but I'd certainly mark them with {{Unreferenced-section}} and put them between {{Div col}} / {{Div col end}} templates to reduce scrolling on large screens. It's fine not to worry about layout problems though. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

March Madness 2020

G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team

A barnstar for you!

  The Civility Barnstar
User:Puddleglum2.0 Thank you very much for your kind and sympathetic gesture. I will certainly contact you if I have any questions :)
History DMZ (talk) 17:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

  •   Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
  •   Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
  •   Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
  •   Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
  •   CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
  • The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included   L293D,   Kingsif,   Enwebb,   Lee Vilenski and   CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

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WikiCup newsletter correction

There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter;   L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead,   Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

  Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

  Miscellaneous



A cup of coffee for you!

  Thanks for taking initiative as a writer for The Signpost. No stress, have fun, and ping me if I can assist. Your first priority is to enjoy yourself. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
@Blueraspberry: Thanks! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 20:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate.

January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here.

March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now!

Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone!

Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist

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Draft:Gesa Credit Union concern

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WPR interview

Hey Puddleglum, just letting you know that I've answered your questions on your WPR page. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬📝) 20:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Tenryuu! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 21:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Akane Yamaguchi

Hello. Help copy edit. Thanks you. Vomli (talk) 07:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Vomli! I went through and fixed the obvious mistakes. If you want a more in-depth copyedit, feel free to request one at the GOCE Request page. Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 14:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.

March copy edit notes

Hi! Thanks for helping to reduce the copy-edit backlog by an astounding 75% in March! Here are a few notes on your copy edit of Salisbury-class frigate:

  • 1950's → 1950s, mid 1950s → mid-1950s (MOS:DECADE)
  • 1961–2 → 1961–62, 1966-68 → 1966–1968, from 1967–70 → from 1967 to 1970 (MOS:DATERANGE)
  • 2000-ton → 2,000-ton (MOS:DIGITS, for article consistency)
  • Neither ... or → Neither ... nor
  • The acronym RN was used for Royal Navy without explanation (MOS:ACRO).
  • There were a couple run-on sentences.

You can see my diff here. I wouldn't count any of these points against you, but try to catch this sort of thing if you're doing a featured-quality copy edit. Thanks again! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Reidgreg! I'll keep this in mind for the future. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 14:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Congrats

  The Signpost Barnstar
For an outstanding article in the March 2020 issue Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, thanks a lot Smallbones! I really appreciate it. (Also though, some credit to Clovermoss for having the original idea. =) ) it's great to be writing for the Signpost . --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 01:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Belated welcome

Thanks, matey :)

Better a late welcome than no welcome at all, naturally. I'd send ya a beer back but I need to enjoy them cookies first.

In any event, keep up your good work, you've done a great deal in a short (or maybe long) time span yourself.... NomadicNom (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks NomadicNom! I've been here about 7 months, so I know a bit about WP. =) If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me! Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 22:34, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Interestin'. I've been around Wikipedia and other wikis for maybe four years... always been kinda a casual Wikipedian though. Been taking to recent-changes sniping in the last couple months though. NomadicNom (talk) 22:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I just realized you registered in 2018! I just saw you had only 400 or so (quality) edits so I assumed you were new; my apologies! =D I'm curious -- do you edit other language wikipedia, or wikis separate from the WMF? Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 22:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I've spent a little time on the JA wiki, but two years of trying to learn that language doesn't seem to have gone very far yet... so I still don't know enough to make proper edits there just yet. Outside WMF.... mostly I've done Wikia editing, on the Fallout Wiki. How 'bout yourself? NomadicNom (talk) 22:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
English Wikipedia is my home =) I read the Italian Wikipedia sometimes, by an not confident enough in my grasp of the language to actually edit there. I also occasionally dabble in other wikis, for the video games I play, but I'm not active much outside en.wp. My main editing haunt currently is at the GOCE, which is a project that works in improving grammar, but I also occasionally do some vandal fighting, help new users at the teahouse, and write a monthly column for the Signpost. Anyways, happy editing, it's always good to take a quick break from editing and talk for a bit. =) --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Fix broken ping: @NomadicNom: --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Happy editing to ya as well. Hope to see ya 'round the RC. NomadicNom (talk) 23:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

March 2020 GOCE drive bling

  The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copy edits totaling over 60,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2020 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copyediting four long articles during the GOCE March 2020 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copyediting 13 old articles during the GOCE March 2020 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 13,850 words – during the GOCE March 2020 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to reduce the copy-editing backlog by 75% in one month! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Reidgreg! --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 21:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Let me know if I can help with the interview in anyway

Puddle g,

I've been late in getting started this month and was just wondering if you're copacetic with the interview assignment. BTW, if you don't like to receive Wiki emails but want to send one there's a workaround. In your preferences just turn to email option on, send the email, then turn it off again. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip Smallbones! Feel free to do whatever with the interview -- I don't feel any particular ownership of it. One thing I wanted your opinion on though -- I wasn't quite sure whether the questions are interesting enough, whether it's what the readers want to know... What do you think? For the WPR I'm planning an interview with WikiProject Redirects. Thanks as always, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 04:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For editing Mumbai Gujarati Natak Mandali and all your services to Wikipedia. Regards, Nizil (talk) 12:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Changing meanings

Hi Puddleglum; please be careful to avoid changing the meanings of texts when you copy-edit articles. I refer you to Armoured Division (India)], where you changed "redesignated" to "split". "Redesignated" means to give something a new designation—to rename something—not to divide it into multiple parts. I don't wish to nag you but I think it's an important point. That said, it's good to see your help and encouragement of new copy-editors on various talk pages, it's appreciated. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Baffle gab1978, my dictionary I use actually didn't have the word "redesignate" so I tried to replace it with the nearest word I could find. (Time for a new dictionary!) I appreciate your checking! Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 03:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply; yes, my browser's spelling checker wants me to spell it "re-designate" along with some other bizarre suggestions (inc. "redesign-ate"!). If I'm unsure of a word's spelling or meaning, I find a web-search usually provides useful results. Anyway, I hope you're keeping well in these unusual times. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020 GOCE blitz bling

  The Cleanup Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Puddleglum2.0 for copy edits totaling over 6,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2020 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 20:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

"extremely WP:BITEy"

I don't think making such an aspersion was appropriate. Being firm about adhering to policy, especially when it involves accusations of racism, for example, is not "BITEy," —being new is not a license for such violations— it is a necessary part of an admin's role. El_C 02:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@El C: I apologize for the use of the word "extremely", and will strike it out soon. It was wrong to call an editor racist, but I do believe at least some allowance should be given to such a new editor, assuming it was, however wrong, in good faith and ignorance of policy. A warning and links to relevant policy in my opinion would have sufficed, but I could be completely off, I only skimmed the discussion. Again, I apologize, and did not intend for anything I wrote to be a knock against you or C.Fred, I realize you are doing the right thing, but in a way I personally would not follow. Cheers, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 02:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Puddleglum2.0, apology accepted. But all allowances were, in fact, made. The user was not blocked, even after they tendentiously argued that saying a user is only somewhat motivated by racism was any better than saying they were motivated by racism outright. I think I was able to get my point across, which they seem to have now understood, thereby ending the exchange amicably. El_C 02:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@El C: thank you. I have refactored my comments according to this discussion, (I still am sorry that they had such a heated entry into Wikipedia, no matter who began it) and hope that we are on good terms now? Thank you for all your contributions. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 02:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
We're good, Puddleglum2.0. Thanks for the kind words and thank you for taking my concerns to heart. It is appreciated. All the best, El_C 03:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help is needed

Hi Puddleglum, I hope you are doing well and staying safe! I find your Wiki signature very appealing, especially that little message at the end (How's my driving?). I wish I could create something similar with the Columbus' phrase (Following the light of the Sun, we left the Old World) in Latin. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get it right in the signature section of user preferences as it keeps telling me like html tag is wrong. However, when I type it manually in ordinary texts, it works perfectly. Will you kindly give me a hand with this, I would really appreciate that. Thank you in advance! --Visioncurve (talk) 07:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Of course Visioncurve! Can you give me an example of what you want your signature to look like, and then I can create it for you? Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 14:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt response to my request. I highly appreciate that. I would love to have this one: Visioncurve (linking to "User:Visioncurve"), immediately followed by "Haec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi" (linking to "User talk:Visioncurve"). Thank you very much!--Visioncurve (talk) 15:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good Visioncurve! I have just one more question, do you want any colours in your signature, or do you want the talk page link to be above or below the userpage link like my "2.0"? Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 15:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC) also,do you want a different font?
Hi, Puddleglum. How are you? Regarding you last question, I would like the first part of my signature (Visioncurve) in purple and the rest (Columbus's phrase) in green. It would be nice having the talk page linked to Columbus's words. Thanks a lot and stay safe!) --Visioncurve (talk) 04:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
doing fine, thanks! I hope you are staying well also. How's this: VisioncurveHaec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi? If you like it, you can copy the code in the message into your preferences, otherwise tell me if you want any fixes and I'll be happy to make them! Cheers, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 20:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Yup, it worked!) You are the best, you know that? Thank you so much! Take care...--VisioncurveHaec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi 04:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
No problem, I'm glad it worked! Stay safe! --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 04:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

GOCE CV for Signpost

On what page is this being written up? Is it User:Puddleglum2.0/May CV or somewhere else? Should we answer the questions from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/WikiProject report? What's the procedure? – Reidgreg (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: We were initially going to do a Community View piece, but now I think we are going to do a WPR, as most members and participants seem to think it would be a better fit, so it would be great if you could answer the questions at the WPR page. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks! --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 14:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

What is purpose of guest book

I looked at your user page, and noticed a link to your “guest book”. What is th purpose of this guestbook? Just wondering. Thanks, Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

It really doesn't serve much of a purpose -- I just like to collect signatures I guess. =D There are a lot of editors that have them, if an editor appreciates.something I did or something, they can put their sig there. Or just for fun. They aren't required, it's just a fun thing. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 17:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I put mine there because why not:)Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)