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Wikidata weekly summary #604

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Discussions New request for comments: Clarify Wikidata: Account creators abilities and where to request from S8321414. (RfC started 23-11-20) Events Upcoming: UNLP: the first Wikiarchivists Day is coming < 04.12.23 at the UNLP Public Library, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Organised by WM Argentina. Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call November 28, 2023: As a satellite event for Data Modeling Days, we will facilitate community discussion around data modeling in Wikidata for library collections in a variety of formats, including people, books, serials, scholarly articles, rare materials, music, media, and realia. Agenda Data Modelling Days, November 30-December 2, online. 3 days of discussions, presentations and workshops to discuss our challenges related to data modelling and improve the structure of Wikidata's data together. Check out the program, add yourself as a participant. Wikidata editathon to add Arabic labels & descriptions to Islamic art objects, hosted by Wikimedians of the Islamic Civilization User Group, 2 December 17:00-19:00 UTC Press, articles, blog posts, videos Blogs 23 Linked Data Things Querying for labels: The normal way and the wikibase:label service way, by Bob DuCharme. Wikimedia Hackathon 2024 is Here: Mark Your Calendar 🎉 for May 3rd – 5th, 2024, and register to attend What is Wikidata? Your Guide to the World’s Largest Free Knowledge Base Papers Using Wikidata to identify the gender gap in Ibero-American public art (Q123470669) - The study, using Wikidata, reveals gender disparities in public art in Madrid and Buenos Aires, emphasizing the need for more works created by women and increased visibility of female artists. Understanding Structured Knowledge Production (Q123561334) - A Case Study of Wikidata’s Representation Injustice. This paper seeks to explore the sources of epistemic injustice and biases from Wikidata's peer-production data model. Paying it forward: Crowdsourcing the harmonisation and linking of taxon names and biodiversity identifiers (Q123561640) - highlights the use of Wikidata as an asset when linking taxa in different databases. Videos: Individual Sessions from Wikimania Singapore 2023 Exploring Wikidata as a learning platform < Shani Evenstein Sigalov presents this Wikimania Singapore session on her 5-year PhD journey Data use and reuse: Unlocking Potential of Frictionless Data for Wikidata < Sara Petti, Shashi Gharti & Carol Matos of the Open Knowledge Foundation host this session. Using Wikibase and Wikidata for Community Archives by My Community < a non-profit organisation using Wikibase and Wikidata to digitise and preserve Singaporean cultural artefacts and stories. Wikidata Basics with SPARQL access to analyse data from Wikidata < Asaf Bartov hosts this workshop for Wikidata newbies. Gain some foundational skills and learn how you can contribute to the biggest Knowledge Graph! How to use Wikidata to build web tools for the social good < Csisc & Yamen present Sawtpedia & (github), 2 tools built using Wikidata and will show you how you can build your own. Linked Open Data and Wikidata < Alan Ang (WMDE) talks about the importance of Linked Open Data and forming mutually beneficial partnerships between the Foundation and Institutions. Notebooks Explore new ways of visualising your data with a Circular Dendrogam, illustrated here with Association Football players broken down by Country and Team. Tool of the week Harvest Templates - is a tool that helps transfer data from Wikimedia projects to Wikidata. User:MichaelSchoenitzer/Updown - is a userscript used for faster navigation. If there are a lot of values for one property it will add arrows that allow you to jump to the first/last value. Other Noteworthy Stuff WMDE is researching ways to improve the editing experience in different languages and would love to hear your feedback. We would like to talk to a few of you in online interviews to learn about your experiences, expectations, and concerns. Please let us know in this sign-up form if you are interested in taking part. The Research team at WMF is running a second labeling campaign to evaluate the Revert Risk model for Wikidata. This is part of ongoing work on creating a new generation of Machine Learning models to support patrolling work on Wikimedia projects. Please help by going to this link, and labeling each revision in one of these three categories: Keep, Not Sure, Revert. Notice that "Not Sure" should be used in all cases where the Keep or Revert labels are not clear to you. Wikibase Suite: Wikibase 1.40.1 – major release compatible with MediaWiki 1.40, based on MediaWiki 1.40.1 Is there a Wikidata item (about you)? Consider providing a voice-clip pronouncing your name in this Voice-intro project Did you know? Newest properties: General datatypes: Torino scale (the Torino scale level for the astronomical object) External identifiers: ‎Star Citizen Tools Wiki ID, Gale publication ID, Emerald network site ID, Museo Nacional de Arte artist ID, GeoLOD ID, Catalogo Nazionale Dati ID, Klingon Word Wiki ID, Newman Numismatics Portal ID, tribal council number, EDItEUR Thema ID, Propylaeum-VITAE ID New property proposals to review: General datatypes: COR SEM (The Danish central word registry identifier) UPOC ({{TranslateThis | de = Ist eine eindeutige id zur Identifizierung von Organisationen/Sendungen/... zu einem Dienstleister. <!-- | xx = Beschreibungen in anderen Sprachen --> }}) উইঙ্ক অ্যালবাম আইডি () Europeana record ID (unique Europeana record identifier for photos, objectes etc.) ISU ranking position (Skater's position in the ranking of the International skating union) old image (image of this thing taken long ago) Montana Plant Life URL (URL for a plant family, genus, or species on the Montana Plant Life website) External identifiers: Japan Search ID, NIWA article ID, WikiIndex ID, Wiktionary ID, Moviebuff ID, Coin Hoards of the Roman Empire ID, Flightradar24 ID, identifiant du musée des Beaux-Arts de Rennes, Baidu Baike page numeric ID, Parliament of Victoria ID, m3db.com lyrics ID, ELMCIP ID, The Plant List ID (Arizona Native Plant Society), TracesOfWar award ID, Babelio serial ID Query examples: Rail link between Narvik and Singapore (source) Week 47, 2023: Top album languages found on Wikidata right now (source) Gender representation of Scottish witches (source) Most popular names in Ghana among Ghanaians on Wikidata (source) Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Heritage Collections - The aim of the present project is to create the world’s most comprehensive high quality database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata. WikiProject Roman Provinces WikiProject Events and Role Frames - The primary aims of WikiProject Events and Role Frames is to define a set of properties that consistently model event occurrences and their participants; to fill gaps in Wikidata regarding items for events and actions; and to encourage use of the proposed model and newly introduced items across Wikidata. Newest database reports: Wikidata:Database reports/badged items without claims - This is a list of badged items (i.e. items for feature or good articles in somewiki) without claims. Ideally it should be empty. Showcase Items: Nelson Mandela (Q8023) - First President of South Africa and anti-apartheid activist (1918–2013) Showcase Lexemes: gepard - Polish noun for cheetah with many forms Development We are preparing for the Data Modelling Days happening later this week Language codes: We are making some small remaining changes before the next testing round of the new language code (phab:T345750, phab:T345751, phab:T345083) We continued to make a lot more language codes available (phab:341409) EntitySchemas: We are experimenting with how to work around some technical blockers for the new datatype Wikibase REST API: We've been working on the ability to remove an Item's label in a specific language and modify the descriptions on a Property (phab:T342981, phab:T342981) You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer. Monthly Tasks Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above. Comment on property proposals: all open proposals Contribute to a Showcase item. Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language! Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects. Help write the next summary! Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Abdulai (WMDE) 15:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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[Wikidata] Weekly Summary #605

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Discussions New requests for permissions/Bot: RudolfoBot - (Task: import lists of drugs with black box Warnings) TiagoLubianaBot 4 - (Task: add drug-drug interactions from (Q123478206) A reference set of clinically relevant adverse drug-drug interactions) LiMrBot - importing and updating information about asteroids and comets. Events Upcoming: Wikimedia Hackathon 2024: Register and Apply for Scholarships until January 5th 2024! WikiMania 2024 Scholarships are open - You can apply now for paid accommodation, travel and registration of the event! Next: Extended Semantic Web Conference 2024 < The deadline to submit your Papers is December 7th (23:59 UTC-12)! Talk to the Search Platform / Query Service team - the 1st Wednesday of every month, bring your questions on Wikimedia Search, Wikidata Query and Wikimedia Commons Query service. Past: Data Modelling Days 2023 - (30 Nov - 2 Dec.) If you missed it, don't worry! We have recordings, slides and notes for each session, available here! Press, articles, blog posts, videos Press Around 250 war-threatened architectural monuments documented (German) - Wikidata, Wikibase and Commons are helping preserve and plan the restoration of culturally-significant Monuments damaged or destroyed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Blogs How many properties are created on Wikidata each month?, by Envel Le Hir Videos Connecting Archives Connecting People (CACP) Project A Wikidata Workshop provided by the British Institute at Ankara. Metaphactory's advanced semantic search with Wikidata KG < shows a new way of building queries with Metaphacts visualised UI. Read more with their latest News Posts! Wikibase for GLAM organizations: Collections in the Linked Open Data web by our excellent Partner Manager User:Christos Varvantakis (WMDE) Intro to Wikidata and importing bibliographic elements from Zotero < (Italian) An initiative to expand Greek and Latin antiquities in Wikidata for use in humanistic studies. Read more here > Gruppo Wikidata per Musei, Archivi e Biblioteche Tool of the week ZotWb < export records in a Zotero group library to a custom Wikibase, prepare datasets to send to OpenRefine, feed OpenRefine reconciliaton results back to the Wikibase. Wikidata is envolved in the entity reconciliation. Here's a short explanation and demo video Tool is written and provided by David Lindermann with support from WMF Rapid Grant. Other Noteworthy Stuff Wikimedia Deutschland job opening: We're looking for a new Product Manager for Wikibase Cloud. Are you interested or do you happen to know someone who might fit this position? Wikimedia Deutschland will be collaborating with Purdue Students to Find New Mismatches for the Mismatch Finder. We Need Your Help to Suggest External Datasets! Outreachy Round 27 interns selected, including 1 Wikidata related project. A cool new Obsidian plugin for Wikidata is in the works. Fulltext search for folders in an external archive via text in Wikidata items (more). Have you tried EntiTree yet? Explore relationship and connections between Wikidata entities with this new visualisation! Last call for the Wikibase.Cloud 2023 User survey. It only takes 10 minutes and it's fully anonymous so please participate! The StructuredDiscussions extension is being archived but your comments on the Project Chat are wanted. Did you know? 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Do not include the initial "cc") clerked for (this person has held a clerkship with the judge) battery life (the length of time a device can continue to work before it needs its battery to be recharged) External identifiers: China Animal Scientific Database taxon ID, DIMA ID, CoL Taiwan ID, RFI station ID, BUGZ ID, China Animal Scientific Database dbb ID, turismoroma.it place ID, Enciclopedia di Roma monument & street IDs, International Hockey Federation competition ID, Black Games Archive ID, Al-shamila Book ID, Akadem person ID (new format), AustrianGames ID, Atari-8-bit Forever game ID Query examples: People born somewhere named after them (source) Rose cultivars named after screen writers source) Newest WikiProjects: Events and Role Frames Newest database reports: Showcase Items: Symphony No.7 composed by Ludwig van Beethoven Showcase Lexemes: läsa - 'read' about this Swedish word with many pronounciations and grammatical features. Feel free to suggest next week's Showcase Item and Lexeme! Development Wikibase REST API: We finished the endpoint for removing an Item's label in a specific language (phab:T335841) and the endpoint for modifying descriptions on a Property (phab:T342981) We are working on the endpoint for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (phab:T342983) Mismatch Finder: We are continuing the work on moving the tool over to the new design system Codex We adjusted the styling for the values of monolingual text statements to make the language easier to distinguish from the value (phab:T280774) mul language code: We made some final adjustments to get it ready for testing. Lexemes: We are adding a license note for anon users when editing a Lexeme’s lemma, a Form or Sense (phab:T343999) You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer. Monthly Tasks Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above. Comment on property proposals: all open proposals Suggested and open tasks! Contribute to a Showcase item. Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language! Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects. Help write the next summary! Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 16:59, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Microwave oven copyvio revdel

Just an fyi, User:76.139.59.27 did the same copyvio at Jack Asselstine[1]. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks for the heads up. Nthep (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Explanation

I'm still looking for an explanation as to why redirect talk pages can't be used to talk on or add projects (the templates even recognise class=redirect so it's standardised). https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATybee_Bomb&diff=1188482077&oldid=1188473012 boils down to "don't do it because don't do it." Can you explain why? 92.30.149.54 (talk) 19:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

If it had any meaningful history e.g. a move discussion then it's separate existence would be justifiable, but as it's had none and has never been anything but a redirect, there's no apparent reason for it to exist separately (and I do include a project classification in that). Nthep (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Which policy says that? 92.30.149.54 (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

None that I'm aware of. I just don't see the need for this redirect to have an unredirected talk page when it's been a redirected talk page since 2011 without any issues. Nthep (talk) 14:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

So what part of that was I supposed to understand when you deleted it twice with no answer? I came here trying to understand what I'd done that was so wrong, am I understanding right that the only thing I did wrong was do something you personally don't like? So you deleted it like vandalism? 92.30.149.54 (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

I never said it was vandalism. Yes I do disagree with you but so far I've not heard you give any justification for your changing the status quo after 12 years. So what's your case for the change? Nthep (talk) 15:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

I said you deleted it like vandalism: undid with no reasoning given. My case for the change is so redirects aren't 'lost track of' by projects. So they end up in lists if nominated for discussion etc. I also think the talk page is for discussing the content, in this case a redirect. I still don't understand why I did something so bad it was deleted with no reason, that's really what I'm looking for, you didn't say "I think it's better like this", you just said "Undid" like it was obviously wrong and I had done something bad. The only page I found when I did some searches is Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects but it only deals with the 'main' redirect page and is silent about their talks. 92.30.149.54 (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

You could have put a rationale in the original edit summary, that would have avoided any look of drive-by editing. Do I agree with your rationale, no, but it's enough of a reason of an area with no apparent policy for me to say ok, my opinion is different but it's a justified edit. Nthep (talk) 15:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hi Nthep, thank you for cleaning up copyright violations! S0091 (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks, but bigger thanks to you and others for spotting them in the first place. Nthep (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #606

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Discussions New requests for permissions/Bot: LccnBot (Task: Adds P244 to bibliographic entities base on library authority records.) New request for comments: Duplicate References Data Model and UI < During Data Modelling Days '23, 2 proposals emerged trying to answer the question of how to handle duplicate References on Wikidata Items. Events Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call December 12, 2023: Several members of the Chinese Culture and Heritage Wikidata group will provide an overview of the group's Wikidata projects as well as the challenges they have encountered. Agenda Data-SHS Bordeaux Week: Processing and Analyzing Quantitative Data in Human and Social Sciences 2023. Dec. 11 - 15, Bordeaux, FR. Press, articles, blog posts, videos Blogs Agreeing to agree: Roundtripping people identifiers with Wikidata < The Te Papa Museum of New Zealand shows how Wikidata is being used to verify subjects when sharing Collections and data between sources. Here's a video explaining more! Papers / Books 1Lib1Nearby with Wikidata (German) < Queries and edits for the multilingual world knowledge of the nearby environment. Creating a multi-linked dynamic dataset: a case study of plant genera named for women < S. Mering, L. Gardiner, S. Knapp et al. Fine-tuned LLMs Know More, Hallucinate Less with Few-Shot Sequence-to-Sequence Semantic Parsing over Wikidata < Presented at the Empirical Methods in Natural Language Processing conference. Authors: S. Xu, S. Liu, T. Culhane et al. Videos BiCIKL to Wikidata: Harmonizing the chaotic universe of natural history collectors < presented by Mathias Dillen at the TDWG 2023 Annual Conference. Modelling Research Expeditions in Wikidata: Best Practice for Standardisation and Contexualisation. Presented by Dag Endresen also at the TDWG Annual Conference. Riksdagen Corpus Wikidata < Magnus Sälgö. Scholia - a profiling tool to explore scholarly knowledge < As part of the national research data infrastructure (NFDI) infratalk, Dr. Daniel Mietchen presents Scholia. Catalogue of Premodern Manuscripts < See a Wikibase instance used for The Digital Scriptorium Catalog. Presented by Lynn Ransom & L. P. Coladangelo. Data Modelling Days 2023 Playlist < The list of recorded Sessions for the DMD '23 Online Conference is available here! Building a semantic knowledge (wiki)base for synthetic phytochemistry < Presented by Dr. Gitanjali Yadav OpenRefine - a open source tool for working with data < This session explores the advantages of using OR to wrangle, clean, transform and standardise data for Wikidata. Presented by Jinoy Tom Jacob at the IndiaFOSS3.0 Conference. Various queries and modeling on Wikidata (French) < User:VIGNERON introduces several SPARQL queries. Tool of the week QLever SPARQl Engine < If you attended Data Modeling Days '23, you may have seen an extraordinary Session given by Hannah Bast and Johannes Kalmbach showcasing the power and advantages of the QLever engine. QLever can handle queries that cause the WDQS to timeout or allowing Federated queries and Geospatial! (QLEver has already featured in Tool of the Week but we wanted to showcase it again after experiencing it at DMD '23) Other Noteworthy Stuff Healthcare Disparities in the U.S.: Exploring Access to Healthcare in the Immigrant Population < Zoomable Bar Charts and visualisations exploring access to healthcare across the U.S. Prison system, powered by Wikidata and WDQS. Authored by Haryn Shin. DMD23: documentation and outcomes can be viewed on Wikidata project Chat as well as related-topics from the Conference on Qualifiers for fuzzy properties and Should WMF fund QLever? Did you know? Newest properties: General datatypes: official wiki URL (URL of the official wiki for the item) counterexample (qualifier for deprecated P279 statements; example instance or subclass of the item class for which a "subclass of" statement does not hold) External identifiers: ELMCIP ID, RFI station ID, BnF archives and manuscripts ID, The Plant List ID (Arizona Native Plant Society), DIMA ID New property proposals to review: General datatypes: Flora of the Hawaiian Islands ID (URL of the entry for a plant species, subspecies, or variety in the Flora of the Hawaiian Islands website) Hijri Date (Hijri Date of claim) External identifiers: Mid-Atlantic Herbaria Consortium taxon ID, New words in Danish ID, Game Classification game ID, Lobbypedia ID, Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae text witness ID, Game Classification machine ID, Game Classification creation tool ID, a8.fandal.cz ID, Numer KRS, Stadium 64 ID, Sina Chinese Basketball ID, Veterans Legacy Memorial, SixtyFour Originals DataBase game ID, WHDLoad database ID Deleted properties: Query examples: Geolocalized object that have the same name than something named after some some kind of church building. This includes streets, bus stops, … Video games per Platform. Timeline of video game releases per platform. Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Heritage Collections: database of archival fonds and heritage collections (including contemporary scientific collections or documentation holdings) and to ensure the interlinking of respective catalogues, finding aids, or collection databases with Wikidata. WikiProject Source Reliability: is an effort to identify and aggregate online sources of assessments of the reliability and credibility of sources. Newest database reports: Showcase Items: (Q8409) Alexander The Great - Alexander III, King of Macedon. Showcase Lexemes: (L630387) Pri - the meaning of this Breton word is not 'muddy' with VIGNERON's contribution! Development Wikibase REST API: We continued work on the routes for adding aliases in a given language for a Property (phab:T343721) and removing a Property's label in a given language (phab:T342983) Monolingual text values can now use many more languages than before. We’re still working on doing the same for Lexemes. (phab:T341409) You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer. Monthly Tasks Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above. Comment on property proposals: all open proposals Contribute to a Showcase item. Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language! Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects. Help write the next summary! Anything to add? Please share! :) Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 15:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Pilipino

Filipino 119.94.167.189 (talk) 15:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

what are you referring to? Nthep (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Astonished

I've just woken up from my afternoon siesta. Did you even look at the discussion on the talk page of Refaat Alareer, from which it is clear that no copyright violation is involved? Even more astonished that you have given no explanation there. Please reconsider. --NSH001 (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

yes I did and and I've responded at the talk page. Nthep (talk) 16:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Then you should have first offered your thoughts there, and invited further discussion, before revdelling it. That is why I said "Let's wait for a copyright expert to appear." The whole point is that Alareer wanted his work to be distributed as widely as possible. This is obvious to anyone who has been following Alareer's work. It's ridiculous that it should be prevented from publication by a legal technicality, when in reality it has already been released. This is why we have WP:IAR to prevent absurdities such as this. If the worst comes to the worst, I suppose I could email Helena Cobban, who runs the Just World Books publication house. I've been following her work for decades (she is a Quaker like me) and I have no doubt that she would provide a formal release if asked. But doing so would simply make Wikipedia look silly. WP:IAR again. --NSH001 (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page, show where this desire for his work to be shared as widely as possible is. What's obvious to you and what is a legal formality are not necessarily the same. I've spent time trying to find anything that is anywhere near sufficient to satisfy WMF licensing conditions and I can't find any. You've got an emotional attachment to this subject and you desperately want to include this poem. I accept that. There are times when I get frustrated that copyright and licensing stops me adding material to Wikipedia that I'd love to include but IAR isn't a panacea to go and ignore fundamentals on copyright, just because we want to, no matter how worthy you think the cause is. Nthep (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)