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Re:Wikicup

Sorry for the late reply, I have been very busy. To sign up for the wikicup you must wait for the next one top begin. At the beginning, there is a list placed up on the main page, from there you copy the mentioned syntax on the page : #{{/Sign|Country|User name}} and add it to the participants section. Dreamafter (talk) 23:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Alleyway

I have left comments regarding the problems you suggested with the article on the GA nomination talk page.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Why did you remove the category, the article itself says that its the first conference of each year, in other words a recurring event. If that is incorrect, why did you write it? --Mika1h (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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No worries - and please don't take a negative review as a permanent setback - The referencing is good, it just needs a little copyediting and perhaps a little expansion =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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June 2008

Regarding your comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. You need to calm down and chill out. Go read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA - further blowups like that will get you blocked for gross incivility. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Suit yourself. Another outburst like the one you left in WT:VG will result in an immediate report to WP:ANI. We have much better things to do than to deal with your temper tantrums. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Copied from User talk:KieferSkunk#Dude:

Ha and also, you wanna talk lets start like this. You cant fool me. I knew your intenions. And you know what, if you actualy listened to yourself talking, me and you have similar issues. The project wrongly accuses people of things, and yet people like you kinda confuse me. You act crazy kind of mad and then act legit when your called out. The project is stuck up, I meant what I said. It is stuck way up the butt. And if someone is offended...GOOD. Sadly is was meant to call people out and to offend. Lets continue our disccusion on my talk page.Gears Of War 00:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Point me to an edit where I was acting out of line with respect to the civility policies within the last month, and I will happily apologize. In the meantime, I will repeat: COOL DOWN, or you will be blocked from editing for a while to prevent further disruption. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Never said you were un-civil. But you get on me about nothing! Im treated like some a-- hole. Im sad right now, kinda feeling hurt. I almost retired a couple of seconds ago. But now...I'll never be an admin. And I feel this hate for you and some other user and the WPVG because you ruined my ambition. I say that you should be more opening and welcoming to users. Any more problems...talk to me on my talkpage.Gears Of War 00:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Past blowups and even getting warned or blocked once don't necessarily bar you from becoming an admin. I had a really big blowup in '06 with another user that spanned five talk pages, Wikiquette alerts, an ArbCom request, etc., in which both the other user and I were quite disruptive to the project as a whole. Yet, I managed to become an admin eventually. So see? It can be done.

I don't think anyone there was trying to treat you like an "a--hole", as you put it. Please go back and read my initial response to you - I was doing my best to be as polite and neutral about it. You started getting upset at me from the get-go, and I let it go right at first since ALTTP took your side and other editors appeared to be following suit. After that, my comments were directed mainly at ALTTP, partly because this sort of thing has happened before with him and I was getting kind of tired of seeing him walk all over the rules without anyone calling him out on it.

I don't assign bad faith to people who aren't actively displaying it. I saw your request as a perfectly reasonable request, but a misguided one - your teacher may have asked Wikipedia editors to tell you what their favorite video games were, but the fact is that there are a lot of things that WP is not, and as I mentioned, I tend to interpret that more strictly than some others. Just because I pointed out that WP is not a forum does not mean that I think you're trying to disrupt WP - in that case, I was simply trying to let you know (before it became a problem) that it was outside the scope of that discussion page.

I think what would help you the most would be to take a step back and realize that criticisms of your edits are not a reflection on you as a person, and you shouldn't take them personally. At no point in all of this have I attacked you as a person - I have only criticized your behavior. I think you tend to take criticisms too personally, though, and that leads you to get angry when people don't see things your way. If you can step back and keep it from getting to you like that, I think you'll find the project to be more fun, for one, and undoubtedly more interesting.

BTW, I'm watching your talk page, so you can just reply here instead of replying at my talk page. I'll see it. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

If it helps any...

Look, I don't like giving warnings or shooting people down any more than you do. I believe in collaborating and working constructively for the common good. As such, I want you to know that I appreciate the amount of work you've done for the project, and I'm not criticizing you as a whole. I believe that your edits, your suggestions, and your requests, have all been in good faith, and I agree with some comments that were left for you in your Editor Review. You're eager to help out, and we can all appreciate that.

As I said in my reply on the project talk, I believe in upholding our rules equally and without prejudice. That sometimes means that people like me have to point out when other people are bending those rules. Wikipedia is, for all intents and purposes, a serious project, and while people should have fun working on it, the project loses focus when we start getting sidetracked with discussions that don't ultimately benefit the project as a whole. I'm a little stricter on this than many other editors, but having been in your position in the past, I can see why it's sometimes necessary.

That is not to say I'm perfect. I do make mistakes and I do sometimes step over my bounds when it comes to trying to keep things focused. In this case, I don't believe I did, but if it comes to pass that I was unnecessarily harsh on you, I will apologize.

I think that retiring from WP:VG and/or Wikipedia as a whole is probably a bit extreme here. Nobody is asking you to leave. I also want to make it clear that my block warnings (which are still in effect) are not punitive measures, but rather preventative - they are both to help you, as an editor, cool down to the point where you can get back to helping the project, and to prevent unnecessary disruption to the project as a whole. So my warning you is not a means of retaliation, but rather an attempt to head you off before you do more damage.

Like I said, in general, I think you're a good editor. You do good work, you act in good faith most of the time, and it's good to see someone so willing to help out. If you do decide to take a break for a while, that's fine, but do consider coming back to the project when you're ready. I think you'll find that we're not all as stuck up as you think we are - there are reasons why we work as we do.

I hope this helps some. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I personally feel you need to calm down Gears of War. The discussion was closed for good reason. I'm sorry if you don't agree with the guideline about "Wikipedia isn't a forum", but it makes perfect sense. Project talk pages are for discussions about articles (and guidelines and so on) related to the project, not just any random discussion. Wikipedia is a social place to have fun: user talk pages are the proper spot for discussions such as the one you made. You attacking KieferSkunk and the Video Game project (especially with the user box you made), doesn't help matters. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I've stayed totally out of this all, but actually I was pondering killing the discussion last night, and would have had a couple people not already responded. Rob right above me here said it good, but I'll try to expand. For the record, GoW, I think the problem here is that you have in your head that because you have the editing power on WP it means you can, as it were, do what you want. It's not you alone at all - a lot of people don't quite realize the true purpose of WP, and I'm most of us who know things now were all ignorent of what was best when we began. The fact you're 12 is probably a factor (being that yound isn't inhrently bad, but it means you may not see things as well as older people might), but in all honestly I've noticed you continually trying to push things that just aren't quite in line with general WP practice. It's not even about being serious or not, what it's really about is efficiancy. The purpose of WP is to write an encyclopedia, it's not a social club. I dunno what your homework was supposed to be (for all I know your teacher was completely in the wrong too), but the thread on this was completely unrealted to the point of WP. It's like if you went to a forum for Gears of War, and said "Hey, I don't have this game, but will anyone help me with Mario 64?"...or something.

I don't think it's nessesarily your fault inherently that things went down this way. With the way the net is, people seem to push the idea that they can type anything and anyone trying to regulate them is a horrid person and so forth. I've seen this on a forum I'm on, people curse at the moderators for trying to mod, use the chat board for anything almost trying to turn it into /b/...it's almost sad. But seriously, understand that most of us here want to simply help WP in whatever ways we can, and if we want to be social we know of outlets for that. Hmm...I think that covers it. Feel free to poke me on my talk page (or even here) if you wanna continue further. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 02:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Really?

I'm sorry to hear that. Jese today's been a very bad day on wikipedia. The United World Chart article was deleted for no good reason, and now you tell me this. I'm sorry to hear that you won't be able to help me anymore, but hey it was fun whilst it lasted :), and I wish you the best in the future. Thank you for helping me with the task force. :) JayJ47 (talk) 05:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: VG Issue

Sorry about the delayed reply (I have 5 final exams this week, and have to memorize the entire Periodic table, the Pledge in Spanish, and study a year's worth of English and Algebra. All in the same day. Anyways, you seem to have cooled down, so good job. You should just keep your cool in these situations, before blowing up and getting into trouble. This quote should help a lot:

“ Every time you click "save this page," be completely convinced that what you are saving will make Wikipedia a better, more friendly, and more successful project, and if what you’ve typed won’t do that, don’t click save. Essjay ”

RedThunder 23:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You're already out? Darn... I don't get out until he 17th. RedThunder 23:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I See

Oh I see. Thats good news then! JayJ47 (talk) 09:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Since Jimbo doesn't have the time...

You should wait a few more month before attempting RFA. That's all from me :) CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 15:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with CWii. And additionally, I say "just edit." Stop asking other users what you should do to gain administrative rights and just edit. The best administrators and candidates are those who don't care about becoming administrators. Metros (talk) 16:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Time is what you need. Lots of time. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, you guys got it all wrong. I wasn't gonna aply for a RFA. I was just asking for stuff that I should get involved with so that when ever I do try to be and admin, I'll have experience under my belt.Gears Of War 16:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Reread our answers, that is the question we are answering. General experience, time, measured maturity and judgement, those are what's needed. There is no specific area that you can be told to go to. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay thank you for the help.Gears Of War 16:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

As I just mentioned in your editor review, GoW, I think that an RFA is definitely not out of the question, but it will definitely take some time before you'll be ready for administratorship. Here are a couple of things to think about, though:

As Metros said, generally speaking, the best admins are the ones who don't care so much about becoming admins. There's a saying about the role, too: Many people tend to see admins as policemen, rulers, being in a position of power. It's true, to an extent, but admins are not really dictators or police or what not - we're janitors. We're given a set of tools to help clean up the wiki (usually likened to a mop and bucket) that non-admins either don't have, or have in more limited forms. While it's true that admins are called upon to enforce policies, we're under a strict rule to do so to minimize disruption to the wiki, and not to punish users. Also, it is not true that admins have any more say in forming policies and guidelines than non-admins do - being an admin doesn't automatically make you any more powerful.

To show that he's ready for the mop, an editor generally needs to have some editing history in multiple namespaces (Article, Wikipedia, User, Template, etc.), to have participated in one or more admin-related forums (WP:AFD, WP:RFC, WP:AN, etc. - these are not limited to admins only), and/or to have participated in some policy discussions (WP:N and WP:FICT might be of interest to you). A lot of editors look for a demonstration of broad knowledge of the wiki and community, in addition to just what the editor in question has done for the article space. It's not completely cut and dry - different editors have different criteria, so it's not possible to completely satisfy all of them. But in general, you need to be able to show that you understand what an admin's responsibilities are, and that you understand and respect policies and community consensus.

Finally, it really does take time - nobody that I know of has ever become an admin in anything less than a year of editing. You've only been editing on WP for a few months as of now, so it's definitely too early even in the best of circumstances. Build up some experience, learn the ropes, see what areas of Wikipedia interest you the most, and focus on just improving the wiki for now. Over time, as people come to trust you and work more closely with you, they'll see your merits as a potential admin and will be much more likely to support you. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 16:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I think one of my problems is that I got introduced to the concept of adminship to early in my career. Ever sense, that has been my goal, to make awesome articles and to be and admin that has been my priority, maybe I need to change my mindset some.Gears Of War 16:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably. I was pretty fired up about becoming an admin too, mainly because I saw it as a position of respect and authority. And to be sure, it is a position of respect and some authority (but not quite the same kind of authority as I originally thought). But it's almost a Zen thing, actually - it's like, if it's your primary goal, you're probably not going to reach it because you'll end going about it the wrong way, but if you just work with people like any regular editor without pushing toward adminship, you'll be far more likely to get there. Seems counterintuitive, I know, but that's kinda how it works - at least, that's how it worked for me.

And one thing I'll share is that having become an admin hasn't changed my editing at all - I'm still helping make great articles just as I was before I had the mop. It's just that now I'm also in a position to do some admin tasks when and where necessary, and I've actually done very little on the strictly admin side - deleted a few articles per WP:CSD, blocked a couple of users who really needed it, etc. I think you'll find the same is likely to be true for you - you can create great articles without ever needing the mop. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 16:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Gears Of War 17:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Advice copied from the Jimbo Whales talkpage

Copied from User_talk:Jimbo Wales#Hey Dude

Man, I cant believe you founded this joint. So you would know some pointers. What should I get involved with so that I am ready for a RFA.Gears Of War 13:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you get an admin coach. I am not advertising, but you may have a better chance if you sign up to other wikis (or have you?) StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I've already gotten some advice if you want to add more advice do so or copy the old one you just posted here.Gears Of War 17:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Work on other wikis is not a factor of consideration for becoming administrators here. This is especially true of some of the "nonsense" wikis that are cropping up a lot lately. Metros (talk) 18:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Being an admin on another wiki will not help you become an admin on Wikipedia. No wiki can help you become an admin in particular on wikipedia. If you are an admin on another wiki, the only thing that you will learn is the buttons. But do you know who to use them properly in wikipedia related tasks if your an admin on another wiki? No, not at all. -- RyRy5 (talk) 22:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude, chill

There is NO reason to bite a newcomer the way you did at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/norge0209. Please re-read your comment, and if you think it's unacceptable (like I do), do something about it. Thanks. giggy _(:O) 02:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Dont even start with that. Its not a big deal. I told the truth. He has absolutely no experience. Sadly, even with a new editor, the truth will never change. Dont make a big deal over that, I told the truth.Gears Of War 02:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you told the truth. You know it's true because you're experienced. He made a good faith application for adminship, thinking he'd be able to do the job. The last thing he needs is someone to, in the most abrupt and hurtful way possible, tell him that he's useless. Remove the offensive parts of your comments now or I will. Don't even start with the wikilawyering. giggy _(:O) 02:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Done, someones got to tell the cold hard truth.Gears Of War 02:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but this wasn't one of those times. Thank you. giggy _(:O) 02:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

But remember the softer your on them now, the harder you have to be later.Gears Of War 02:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I'm concerned (and I really hope you change this attitude before your imminent RfA). Do you seriously think the candidate won't be able to learn from this RfA, get some experience, and become a better Wikipedian in future? If we're supportive of him, then yes. If we uber strong oppose, and tell him he sucks, then no. Read over WP:BITE, and recall why we are here, please. giggy _(:O) 02:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Pull up. I never said that he sucks, I simply told him he had no experience now how you get those two mixed up I have no idea.Gears Of War 03:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

(<--). Very strong oppose. You have no experience, are rude, incivil, immature, and have totally the wrong idea about this project.
If someone did that on your RfA, how would you interpret it? giggy _(:O) 03:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Im not understanding where I'm going wrong. I simply say that theres no experience and now your on my butt about being uncivil. If I was being uncivil you would no it-trust me. I would take as firm strong feed back. He may have saw it another way, but thats not how I would have.Gears Of War 03:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Listen giggy, I have been criticesed amost more times than the most experienced editor. And I doubt this is the last time you criticise me, but please if its something as small as giving someone else criticm, dont come and tell me to cool off and stuff like that. Just get over it and move along, he'll get the picture without you telling me to remove my comment.Gears Of War 03:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I had dropped it. You kept it going. So now I'm gonna shoot straight on you.

You treat a newcomer the way you did today again, and you will be blocked for incivility, to prevent further newbie-biting-damage to the project. I don't care how many times you think you've been criticised - if you've learned from it, all the more power to you. If you haven't learned from it, then you maybe you should start doing so.

giggy _(:O) 03:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Then there something wrong around here. If you can get blocked for tough criticm something is really wrong.Gears Of War 03:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

←← No. Nothing is wrong. You need to stop eating the noobs. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't bite em'. I have forgoten about that and if he is even offended hey, so be it for right now.Gears Of War 20:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus, he only came for that one day just so that he could apply ofr adminship thinking it was a easy in because of his degree. So yeah, it over.Gears Of War 20:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not over. You need to not act like that ever again. Comprendo? CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Please just get off my case. I dont have time for this.Gears Of War 20:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Neither do I. Just say that it will not happen again. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay lets see here. As long as it's not a new user, if someone makes a RFA with no experince, I can be as criticising as I want. Thats my condition. Deal.Gears Of War 20:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not acceptable. As I said before, the civility policies are not optional. WP:BITE is a significant part of being civil. What I see these people saying is that there are ways to say that you don't believe a person has enough demonstrated experience, without biting them. "There was no reason for this user to be nominated, no matter how skilled he is" is a very strong statement. A friendlier alternative, which doesn't change the meaning at all, would be "This user may be quite skilled, but there is not enough demonstrated experience to grant this person the admin tools right now." — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Hear me out dudes. I only gave tough wikilove. I told him the god forsaken truth. Plain and simple. Yes I could have made it nicer. But it would have lessoned the reinforcement of my comment, plain and simple.Gears Of War 22:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and I can tell you that you're being a dick. That's tough wikilove too, but you don't like that, do you? That's why, instead of saying "you're being a dick", I try to be more helpful by (a) letting you know how you avoid offending people, while still saying basically the same thing, and (b) being less offensive myself. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite

I'd be willing to do this, but may not get to it this weekend. Remind me if it hasn't been done in a week. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Gears Of War 04:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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how is that vandalism?

title Mother Niggle (talk) 23:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

no, an anonymous editor un-did it. Mother Niggle (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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Please be aware that because this has yet to be absolutely confirmed or announced directly from Activision, it is too early for a full article on the game to be made. (We only have the SEC filing to go by) See this discussion about this situation. Also, please note that the article you created lacked a space between the colon and "M"; the correct name is already a proper redirect to the series article. --MASEM 03:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Vacation note

Did you mean to say you are vacationing in June (not July)? That vacation date is over a month away. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Because I will become less active a few days before the actual vacation date, sorry for any vacation.Gears Of War 15:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor review

I have closed your editor review. Make sure you have read all the reviews, most recently from KieferSkunk. Yechiel (Shalom) 17:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Be back soon...

Just saying I'll be taking any questions again on Tuesday after 4:00 PM (I'm writing from a hotel computer in Florida). RedThunder 18:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol cool, flirt with some cute girls for me, lol.Gears Of War 19:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:Requests for adminship/Karanacs

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to comment at [[WP:Requests for adminship/ Karanacs|my recent RfA]]. I am very sorry that some of the conversation tried to refocus on you - that was not fair and I hope it did not cause you any grief. Best wishes. Karanacs (talk) 16:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping by, I was not offended by you though. Happy editing.Gears Of War 16:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Criticism_of_World_of_Warcraft merge

Hi, I saw you think Criticism_of_World_of_Warcraft should be merged with the main article. Is this really a good idea? The main article is already fairly long... Ratfox (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, well how about merging the article with Worldcraft?Gears Of War 16:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Worldcraft? What's the relation? Ratfox (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well if it wont be merged it might haved to be a AFD.Gears Of War 18:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure you two are on the same page. World of Warcraft and Worldcraft have nothing to do with each other. I found that question a bit confusing too. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Right, thats my mistake. It should be mereged with World of Warcraft. The discussion is currently taking place on the article's talkpage.Gears Of War 20:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right. When I said it should be merged with Worldcraft, I meant to say Warcraft. A simple spelling error.Gears Of War 20:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Percy Jackson

Hey. I've been watching the "edit summary debate" on the reverts on the Percy Jackson article about short stories' inclusion. I myself think down your lane, and it's time to find a policy and cite it for why the short stories should not be included, and if the edit warring continues, protect the page and warn the ip. Respond with your thoughts. Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 01:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for your support dude. I have recently warned the ip(see his talkpage)and I appriciate it much. The reason why the article has not yet been semi-protected is because i have yet to shift my total attention to that article. Soon though, I will start to edit articles around the Percy Jackson book series and then the article will be protected, once again thatnks.Gears Of War 02:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

My History

Short section on my userpage that I'll copy.

I made a couple of edits in April 07, a couple in August, and really got into it at the very end of the year, being co-adopted by Amire80 and Randomtime. I became a good contributor, but gave myself a snowed RFA for a 12th birthday present. That, and off-wiki issues caused me to create a few troll sockpuppets. I was blocked on April 25th by MBisanz, and stayed blocked for about a month when Amire80 rallied for me with Sarah, who unblocked me if Amir would agree to mentor me. Right now, I'm adopted by LaraLove.

Is that good? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 13:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool thanks for the rely.Gears Of War 13:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I watchlist your talk. And I watchlisted another person's talk, and I saw there that Stormtracker was Red Thunder. Wow! One of my adopters was an RT! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 13:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, cool. Right now Im just looking at your contribs to see what you like to edit.Gears Of War 13:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever thought about joining WP:VG? We could really use more editors with huggle.Gears Of War 13:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Lara

Man, that was funny as hell! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah lol. I cant get that bloody picture out of my head lol.Gears Of War 14:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, we also just got thrown off a talpage...wow.Gears Of War 14:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You're not British, are you? You can't be, you used the word "math" instead of arithmetic. And there was no blood, last time I checked.

Ya, now the gates are closed for us. Speak of the devil! I'm off for a while, gotta eat breakfast. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Shh! People think Im a bloody brit. OI! Domt ruin my fun! lol.Gears Of War 14:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I can do a little Scottish. When my computer gets faster, I might send you a sound file. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Gotta go talk later(plus my stupid computer doesnt play recodings. Sadly it only plays itunes. So if its like adobe sound player, iw ont be able to hear it. Happy editing and later old chap(damn i need to work on that whole british thing)).Gears Of War 14:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I can convert it to iTunes. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be perfect, tell me when you do(though I'll gone shopping with my mom) :P. Tell me when its been converted,Gears Of War 14:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll update you when I convince my (somewhat cheap) father to buy me a microphone. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

lol, cool.Gears Of War 14:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Beverage Delivery

File:MountainDew-can.jpg

You're underage. Have some of this instead. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, thanks my good man, i was quite parshed.Gears Of War 15:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

It's parched. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe he was referring to the village in Tajikistan :) Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Bottom line I was thirsty gulp...gulp...gulp.Gears Of War 15:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Need a refill? Or perhaps something with more taurine/ginseng/caffiene? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there a Starbucks around here. I could use a frapicino.Gears Of War 15:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

File:StarbucksVentiMintMochaChipFrappuccino.jpg

You like coffee? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I love cofee. My parents dont let me drink alot but theres a Starbucks right donw the street so whenever I can I chill out over there gulp...gulp...gulp. I gotta go shopping :( later.Gears Of War 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Admin Coaching

I do not do admin coaching, but I do know someone who does. Talk to User:Useight about it, he will probably help you as he did for me. RedThunder 14:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay I just asked him for some admin coaching.Gears Of War 14:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm revamping my process for coaching, because I want to try a different angle. So let's call it "Editor coaching". Some members of the community have criticized my past coaching process as being too rigid, objective, and numbers-based, even calling it "gaming the RFA system", so I'd like to do this one a bit more subjectively. Through our "editor coaching" I'd like to find out what you already have experience in, what kind of editing you like to do, what areas you can improve in, what policies and procedures you still have to learn, what questions I can answer for you, and basically make you into a well-rounded editor. If we find that you are a suitable candidate for adminship, I'll nominate you. If you'd like to proceed, let me know and I'll create a subpage. Useight (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I have created User:Gears of War/Editor Coaching. I put four questions there so we can figure out the best direction to take the coaching. Useight (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking down a couple sections on this talk page I saw "So maybe you should get your head together before you talk like that." In my opinion, if there was only one rule on Wikipedia, it should be WP:CIVIL. There's never a reason to respond in such a manner. It gives the appearance of immaturity, apathy, and incivility. Useight (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I reacted this way because he came to me like i did something wrong. The discussion was closed and we all settled the whole thing. Okay maybe I missed it by one but I will not let people be like that. My whole attitude to that situation is that I had better things to do than get dragged into a conva that could get me called uncivil. Thats why I orriginally deleted his comment.Gears Of War 17:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Blue Dragon

I found a bit of time to give a good copyedit to some of it. I'm good at spotting problems with clarity or unnecessary words. But I might also ruin the flow sometimes. I can't say I'm a great writer. Feel free to revert, or get a second opinion. Cheers! Randomran (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Gears Of War 16:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Adminship comments...

It might be wise to think about some of the comments you make before you do so, to avoid being completely wrong and misreading a situation fully. Martinp23 17:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey man dont you dare say I was uncivil or said something wrong. It wasnt even mean. Dont come to me with that stuff. I said right thankyou. You are wrong. Being blocked 3 times is not good. I could have been alot wronger and I was not wrong. So maybe you should get your head together before you talk like that.Gears Of War 22:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest you actually look at the block log. He was blocked twice, once at his own request, and the other time, the block was removed after a fairly short period of time. This is what I mean by avoiding being wrong by checking. This was just a friendly word of advice, which you have responded to in a rather uncivil manner. Have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Martinp23 17:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually I would appreciate it if you look, it has 3 blocks on it.Gears Of War 17:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Look again. One block, one unblock, one block again. Comes to two blocks, and one unblock - not three blocks. Looking at the block reasons is even more enlightening. Martinp23 17:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, whatever, 2 blocks or 3 all the same a block is a block. Its no big deal. Cream is back so please, stop getting on me about this.Gears Of War 17:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not contacting you because Cream did a little exit after the RfA. I didn't even know about that when I wrote my original comment. I wrote to you more because I was, and still am, concerned about the fact that you seemed to be making a snap judgment without properly reviewing a situation. This is the sort of behaviour that drives away new users when they're slapped with warnings and brash comments when they're still learning. It's the sort of behaviour which also annoys more weathered users, which is never good. "a block is a block" is, to me, an example of this. You don't care for the circumstances behind the block, it seems - in this case, if you were to actually take a look at the block comments and follow some links - do a bit of research before taking action - I think you'd find yourself much better satisfied that The Right Thing is being done. This is true elsewhere - if you ever become an admin, doing things without having a close look first is likely to lead to DRAMA. I should know ;). But seriously, please take this conversation in the way I intended - please take this forward into the future and use the experience, and perhaps mistakes, to grow better. We only ever truly learn from our mistakes. Thanks, Martinp23 17:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

WHAT?

No, I won't get over it. I want someone to step in and stop this guy abusing me in edit summaries - I've had it for over six months now. The use of FUCK isn't a breach of civility. Do you know what civility means? --Jza84 |  Talk  19:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, don't restore talk message on my page or anyone elses. That's against policy. Secondly, who exactly did I "TELL" "what the fuck?" - that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever - "what the fuck?" is a rhetorical question - it's not even addressed to anyone. Thirdly, you clearly have no grasp on what this issue has involved - there's no way you read the case in that time. Forthly, given the above, I do not want or seek your help, thanks - and request respectfully, that you don't not contact me again. --Jza84 |  Talk  20:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Note, that while Jza84's word choice may not have been the best, it is not against policy for an editor to remove comments from his/her own talk page. Useight (talk) 21:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Not to be off-topic, but I'm desperate for feedback. I'm on at Wikipedia:Editor review/Shapiros10 2. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor Review

Yo. I'm on at Wikipedia:Editor review/Shapiros10 2. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 20:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool I'll be sure to leave a comment.Gears Of War 20:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The Cabal and so forth discussion

Cabal

User:Shapiros10/Under-18,don't give a damn about it Cabal. Join the fight! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Check what i put on the talk. I feel so much pride right now! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Response

What? Sorry, but I think you mistyped the whole thing, because I can't understand a word of it. What does a DYK have to do with anything? What does Jimbo have to do with anything? Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 23:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

All I can say is that this is absurd. Go ahead and be surprised when Jimbo doesn't quite agree with you. Unless Shapiros is willing to G7 the under-18s page, I'll open the MfD. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 23:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

"Fight"

Please stop with the "fight" and "battle" stuff like these edits: [1] [2] [3]. This is disruptive and not appropriate for Wikipedia. If it continues, you will be blocked for disruption. Metros (talk) 23:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What Metros said. Since you now seem to have graduated to accusing editors of racism, consider this a final warning. – iridescent 23:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:{, all my friends turning on this. Fine I wont mae disruptive edits. I will make sure the cabal stays within its limits and we shall only do what we can to change this wrong.Gears Of War 23:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I want it deleted. We're screwed. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 23:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The cabal may fall but I will not die until this wrong is righted, even if that does mean never being an admin.Gears Of War 23:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Attitude

Yes, we'll be admins eventually, but that cabal thing is a gigantic slap in the face. We don't care for adultism, but forget the cabal concept, OK? Or I'll come down from CT! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. I'm off. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Screw adminship..

We aren't saying you'll never be an admin, simply that you won't be one right now. I'd advise taking some time to cool off. Adminship is not something each editor is automatically guaranteed, you have to show you're worthy of it. You shouldn't be here for the sole purpose of becoming an admin; this is an encyclopedia not an online game. Cool off instead of trying to "level up". Adminship is not the be-all and end-all of being a user; you can still be a valid contributor without those tools. Ironholds 00:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well no matter what you guys meant, i never was going to be one so forget it.Gears Of War 00:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, it isn't the be all and end all. Focus on other things on wikipedia, or alternately take a breather for a few weeks and calm down. Ironholds 00:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

So much for all the counseling I gave you just a couple of weeks ago. I'm sorry, GoW, but I'm starting to think you're right - you're single-handedly killing any and all chances you may have had of becoming an admin (remember that everything you do here is a matter of public record). If it's ever going to happen at this point, I think it unlikely to happen for quite a while, and only after you've shown a willingness to stop fighting for it, and further to stop treating other editors uncivilly. And frankly, if you keep it up, you're going to end up not being able to contribute to Wikipedia at all - people are only going to tolerate so much, and your behavior is wearing thin on many. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Gears. Please listen.

gears, don't go. I'm still your friend here, and when you're head's in the right place, you're a damn good Wikipedian.

You'd be perfect if you didn't take everything so seriously. I heard you were warned for personal attacks. Calling this thing a battle is a no-no, because it isn't.

If you come back, stop wannting adminship. Start wanting to make Wikipedia a betterplace.Shapiros10.

Close one

I have also been opposed because of my age on my first RFA, so I know how you feel about this (It makes me want to write an essay). Again, I will leave you with a quote...

“ We are Wikipedians. This means that we should be: kind, thoughtful, passionate about getting it right, open, tolerant of different viewpoints, open to criticism, bold about changing our policies and also cautious about changing our policies. We are not vindictive, childish, and we don't stoop to the level of our worst critics, no matter how much we may find them to be annoying.

- Jimmy Wales

”

RedThunder 13:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Essay

See Wikipedia:Age and Adminship. I just started it about 10 mins. ago, but have to do some summer reading now. Feel free to help out, but don't be too biased. RedThunder 14:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

You as an editor

Dude. I've never stopped believing in you. You've done some annoying things, one thing that really, really ticked me off. But I have never stopped believing in you, and never will.

The reason I didn't respond to your message is that I've been a) using WP:HUGGLE and b) playing this really addictive online game. TTYL!

BTW, I sent you an e-mail. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 18:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 18:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol.Gears Of War 18:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sig

Actually, it's for my userpage. Check out the infobox. RedThunder 00:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

On another note, Radio Wikipedia is looking for editors to do segments for the show, and I thought you might want to do one on Age and Adminship. If interested, record yourself discussing the matter with your opinion (don't get too mad and keep it clean, please). Then, send it to me at tjc94@comcast.net. I will then put it into the show if possible. See this file recorded by me as an example. RedThunder 01:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Rollback

After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback can only be used to revert vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback may be removed at any time.

If you do not want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view this page. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Happy editing! Malinaccier (talk) 20:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I've received some messages on my talk page concerning your use of rollback. Make sure to use it only on vandalism. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Malinaccier (talk) 18:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

User page renovation

Othx. :) First off, I would like you to take a look at the designs listed on my user page. The list where it says "some pages I've designed". Tell me if you would like a design listed there. If not, just tell me what design you would like, just be specific. Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 14:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm... I think I could do that. The only thing I am not so sure I could do is the part when you said "I want that in a table with gold words". Is that okay? -- RyRy5 (talk) 14:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. It'll generally take me a few days to redesign. Just ask on my talk page if you need anything. Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Arthur Smith (footballer)

Hi. I was wondering why you deleted the QPR stats from Arthur Smith (footballer). The point being, they were added by an editor who also added QPR appearances and dates to other footballers of the pre-Football League period, and if Smith's are wrong, then probably so are the others. I know the additions were unsourced; I put a note on the editor's talk page asking for their source, but anon editors with dynamic IP addresses don't necessarily ever see such messages. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice Work!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Gears of War, showing he can kick some vandalism ass! Shapiros10 contact meMy work 11:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

My policy. You rvv on any of my userpages, you get a barnstar. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, man! Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 13:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Rollback (mis)use

I've just seen you revert three correct edits in a row using rollback ([4], [5], [6]). I'm sorry to do this to you – I appreciate it's been a bad week for you – but I've removed rollback from you as you're clearly misusing it. – iridescent 19:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Come on dude. This unfair! I have really helped why have you been so mean to me these last days.Gears Of War 19:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Already replied on my talkpage. As I say, Malinaccier (or anyone else) can feel free to restore your rights and I won't oppose, but in my opinion three disruptive edits in a row using rollback is two too many to be a mistake. – iridescent 19:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I will wait three weeks before giving it back. Ask me for it on July 20 and I'll give rollback to you then. Sorry, Malinaccier (talk) 17:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay.Gears Of War 18:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)