User talk:Mika1h/Archive 2

Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath

I Believe We Have A Disagreement Over This Page. What I Am Trying To Do Is To Make The Page Look Better, By Removing An Eyesore Of Empty Space At The Very Beginning. Since You Seem To See Moving A Title Down As Vandalism, I Tried To Add A Bit Of Background To Fill Up The Space. You Moved It. Do You Understand My Problem, Or Must We Continue This Pointless Back And Forth?

The Sullier

What empty space are talking about? I don't understand. I've been moving the reception article to the bottom of the page because it belongs in bottom of the article. If you don't believe me, then check the feature and good articles we have on video games in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games/Featured_articles --Mika1h 08:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Look Right Below The Table Of Contents And The "Story" Title. Between That And The Quote From The Game Is An Empty Space. Do You See? The Placement Of The Reception Article Does Not Matter To Me. It Was Created Solely To Make The Page Appear More Pleasing To The Eye. Understand?

The Sullier

I noticed it showed the empty space only on Internet Explorer. I use Firefox so it was fine for me. Anyway I fixed it now. Happy? --Mika1h 15:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank You.

The Sullier

FreeSpace 2 Release Date

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/188670.html

Actually I was sorta wrong - you posted FS1's release date. I've put both dates up now Lordkazan 19:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Simon the Sorcerer 2 move

Hi there, it seems you didn't follow the steps on Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Steps_for_requesting_a_page_move when reqesting move for Simon the Sorcerer 2, so I just delisted the request from Wikipedia:Requested_moves. Please list it again if you still wish to execute the move. Regards, Dijxtra 10:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Infobox changes

I've noticed you've been editing quite a number of CVG Infoboxes, changing things such as "ESRB: Mature (17+)" to "ESRB: M (Mature)" — which seems to give the viewer less information at a glance — and "[[Microsoft Windows|Windows]]" to "[[Microsoft Windows]]", although not doing the same for "Sony Playstation" or "Microsoft Xbox" — providing needless clutter. Perhaps you could provide some rationale for these changes, or maybe there was some agreement concerning the above which I've missed? Thanks for your time. – Quoth 23:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I have been changing Sony PlaySation to PlayStation and Microsoft Xbox to Xbox whenever possible because they are the official names for those consoles. I usually edit Microsoft Windows to Windows because it takes less space and it doesn't clutter up the infobox if there are many platforms for the game. As for the ratings, almost all feature and good articles show them as T (Teen) or Teen (T). If you don't like it, change it back. I personally don't care for it one way or the another. --Mika1h 08:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You're correct that it is less clutter to not list the brand, that's exactly the reason I posted the above, you removed the pipe to the correct article, instead preferring the longer "Microsoft Windows" (see diff.) I'm coming to you directly to say this, as opposed to just mass-reverting your changes — or such silliness — because I've noticed you've been doing it a lot, for a while, even if they're the only edits to a particular page you make. As both infobox examples say the rating should be expressed with the more descriptive "Teen (13+)", etc., perhaps you should be doing the opposite in that regard, changing (T) to (13+) and the like. I just thought I'd query you on these regards to help avoid any unnecessary work. – Quoth 03:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It also came to my attention that you've changed links from years to their equivilent "year in video games" entry. While this is acceptable when clearly marked, it unfortunately breaks the automatic date adjustment that the WikiMedia software makes, which is why it's advised to avoid, and is what happened in your last Daikatana edit (see diff.). Sorry if it appears that I'm picking on you :p I thought perhaps you were unfamiliar with these issues. – Quoth 09:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Alien infoboxes

Hi we are discussing the two Alien infoboxes on the Alien talk page as I think they should be combined into one (people interested in the film may also be interested in the comics, novels and various games) and that if it was done along the lines of the Template:AVP one you did we could get the more information into Template:Alien using the same space. I'd appreciate your input on things. (Emperor 13:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC))

OK its done and it is the same size as the old Alien box but combines the two with more entries that were missing from the original. I've largely based it on your AvP template as that approach helps keep the vertical height down. (Emperor 16:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

Reference column count

Hi Mika1h,

Just so that you know, the CSS class "references-2column" can be used to make the reference list appear over two columns, so that you don't have to insert the column-count: 2; stuff manually; e.g.,

<div class="references-2column"><references /></div>

— TKD::Talk 10:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't know that. --Mika1h 10:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hi. Could you please tell me how to upload a videogame artbox without this one getting deleted. I`ve tried a couple of times without success and while looking, your name came up, so i was wondering if you could give me a hand. Thanks Zidane tribal 01:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

You have to add a license tag, a fair use rationale and a source for the picture. See this for example: [1]. Also the upload page has quite clear intructions: [2] --Mika1h 10:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

voyage

please don't misinterpret my actions. I will explain what I did:

1. I was confused by what was said on the FAC about image parameters. 2. I thought Gamespot was the correct way to put it, but obviously not 3. castes isn't correct; I'm going to change it to castes

--Paaerduag 07:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

voyage FAC

Thanks for all the minor fixes you've made to the article. I really appreciate it. I was just wondering if you might like to pitch in with your opinion on the Voyage: Inspired by Jules Verne FAC? It's just that a few more comments on there would be great. Thanks. --Paaerduag 00:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

and then there were none

thanks for all the helpful edits you've been making lately. I really appreciate it. especially with all those 'requirements' it's annoying, so it's really nice for you to do it. I was just wondering, with Agatha Christie: And Then There Were None, if you might like to put forward a support, object, or comment on the article? Everybody's opinion counts. thanks again.--Paaerduag 09:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy IX

The reason why I reverted your change on the Final Fantasy IX article because the preference formatting linking only links to the full year. See the other Final Fantasy articles for reference. I apologize if I had made any mistake. :D By the way, thank you for your comments. Greg Jones II (Sjones23) 20:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, both on the FF project talk page and on my talk page. As you say, date preferences doesn't work if you use the "in video gaming" links. Once again, please accept my apologies. By the way, I've fixed up the dates to the FFIX article. All the best for the summer Greg Jones II 21:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

About Cod2.jpg

Can i use this picture on Estonian Wiki? Yoosq 15:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure. --Mika1h 15:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You were right!

It turns out that the only reasonable move for Fire Emblem (Game Boy Advance) was to Fire Emblem (video game) — as you suggested earlier. I guess you can take comfort in realising that I was wrong and you were right. You can see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 12:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

SMRPG

You asked why List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars was redirected to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars in Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. I have restored the list of locations, and we are discussing it on its talk page. Could you please take a look? If you have time, please also look at List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and Smithy Gang. Thanks! Taric25 00:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Japanese N64 games

I noticed your one of the people that wished there to be a list of Japanese games online for Wikipedia which I tried to make for the Nintendo 64 a few months ago, but just like when they where added to the orginal List of Nintendo 64 games they are trying to delete the new page List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games here's a link Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games to the discussion, how about giving your view. (Floppydog66 16:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

Am I? I'm sorry but I don't care much if there isn't a list for Japanese games. --Mika1h 19:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Lack of apostrophes in List of ZX Spectrum games

That was me. Thanks for cleaning it up! :) Miremare 17:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Confusion over italics for names

Hi Mika1h, I am confused over why titles like "GamePro", "The Electric Playground", and "Computer and Video Games" are in italics (ref: FreeSpace 2). Though MOS states books are to be italicized, I am uncertain if they apply to periodicals. The article FreeSpace 2 makes reference to these sites in regards to their online content as well. So are all magazine links to be italicized even if its their online content the article is referring to? Thank you. Jappalang (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops, pardon my wonky eye. Spotted "periodicals" listed in MOS. I would still like to know if their names have to be italicized even if online-exclusive content is referred to. Jappalang (talk) 22:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that changes anything, because the titles are still primaly known for their magazine side. --Mika1h (talk) 23:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Icewind Dale

Why do you insist on removing useful, specialist sites from the IWD external links in favour of mass produced game database sites that provide only the bare minimum of valuable information (game credits, cheat codes), the like of which is duplicated hundreds of times elsewhere on the web? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.50.60 (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Why have three separate walkthrough links when you can just link to one general walkthrough/cheat code site? --Mika1h (talk) 22:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I gave the links a more thorough look and they are quite good. They are named quite misleadingly, because they are not just walkthrough sites, which I thought them to be. --Mika1h (talk) 22:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok cool, perhaps you're right about the link naming though. I'll change it later on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.50.60 (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Master of Orion

I see you've added "Rating: start class" to Talk: Master of Orion. Unfortunately there's no link to details of the rating. Can you please provide details or a link? Philcha (talk) 16:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't read the whole article through, but main things why this article isn't B-class or better:

• No development section

The intro states who the developers were, "Prequel and sequels" states how it started as Starlords and Emrich helped Simtext upgrade it. Philcha (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I meant a whole section on development, like in every gaming FA we have. Although I can understand that it can be fairly difficult to find development info on such an old game. --Mika1h (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• No reception section

The game's nearly 15 years old so the reviews are all gone - even the meta-review sites (metacritic, rottentomatoes) don't list MOO. The article states that MOO is in Gamespy's HOF, with ref and link. Philcha (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I googled about two minutes and I already found this: [3]. Also we have Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Magazines. --Mika1h (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[4] starts "... one of the best strategy games of its time," i.e. it's not a contemporary review. Does it still qualify for citation? Philcha 10:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I've also added a ref to GameSpot - The Greatest Games of All Time. That plus Gamespy's HOF is all the reviews visitors interested in games would need. Philcha 10:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Excessive gameplay details

I've edited Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares and written Space Empires III, so I know how much is needed to explain the differences between these games despite their all being space-based 4X games. To put it in perspective: (a) MOO and MOO2 differ much more than any 2 members of Civilization (series), and this needs to be explained; (B) Master of Orion is a lot shorter than a lot of science articles (I've edited / written some of these too). Philcha (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

See Video Game Project's guidelines. "Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it or an excessive amount of non-encyclopedic trivia.". The keyword is overview, not pouring all the information you know/find on the article. --Mika1h (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Incorrectly formatted references

How? Philcha (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, use video game GAs and FAs as examples. You need to use "cite web" templates or similar, not simply pasting the link with ref-tags. There are other concernes as well with the refs. The two last refs seem to be some no-name fansites, proof me wrong but they don't seem to have any notability. --Mika1h (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You should have read the 2 "no-name fan sites". Jon Sullivan's has: downloads for the game, patches and manual; technical tips on running the game under modern OSs; a strategy page. Sirian's has a thorough analysis of the races and illustrates ideas on strategy by presenting accounts of games, with screenshots. If you google for "master of orion -ii -2 -iii -3" they are at the top of the list. Every other MOO site I've seen links to them (you can use Google Advanced Search to check that). For a computer game that's serious notability. If you want to argue about notability criteria, first read Talk:4X - for games, players are the ultimate arbiters of notability. PS: Jon Sullivan and Sirian are not friends or even acquaintances of mine, I've never even emailed them; I'm judging their sites only by content and inbound links.

Re citation templates, I've posted a suggestion at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals) for a method of makng it easier to use the citation templates. Philcha 10:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

--Mika1h (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)