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Drogheda Steam Packet Company

You might be interested in the article on the Drogheda Steam Packet Company. Hope you're enjoying your hols! Mjroots (talk) 18:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - ClemMcGann (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Clem. Glad to see you you 'back on the boards'. Hope the hols. went well and have 'recharged your batteries'. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Midland Construction are in Mariners, New stained glass windows instaled - ClemMcGann (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Good news. Really looking forward to the 'Grand Opening'. Spectacular project. RashersTierney (talk) 20:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Open to the public April 3; official reopening sometime in June Lugnad (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

SM UC-42

Re: SM UC-42 - I don't mean to tread on your toes with my recent edit, since your local knowledge is apt to be better than mine, but isn't Roche's Point at the entrance to Cork Harbour? So wouldn't it be approximately the correct location after all, as I got the impression the original sinking was at the harbour entrance. Of course, the hull may have been moved by the tides over the past 90-odd years as well. 17:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah! but is it the same wreck? In 1919 "The divers reported a German U-boat lying on the seabed with her stern blown off". The recent dive reported "little obvious explosive damage". We should know soon enough. ClemMcGann (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Aghada

Hello Clem. Aghada is known to many locals as 'Andrew Meaghers Playboy Mansion'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.96.3 (talk) 19:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm getting you confused with someone else

I see you've changed your username. Maybe you would consider adding a {{distinguish|User:Lugnuts}} to your user page, just to make it clear that you aren't the same editor and are not trying to impersonate him. Mjroots (talk) 13:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, not going to war over it. The normal convention is to have such notices at the top or the page, that's all. The confusion is in the similarity of user names, not where your editing lies. Mjroots (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Loganberry sports

On the page Loganberry, you reverted an edit, saying in your edit summary that the loganberry can produce a blackberry sport. A sport is a genetically new type produced by a mutation, so how can a sport on a loganberry be a blackberry? A blackberry isn't a genetically new type, but an already-existing one. — Eru·tuon 02:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Depends on your definition of "sport", but Loganberries can revert/sport/whatever to Blackberry - Lugnad (talk) 23:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Irish Hazel

Hi, do you possess a copy of Spong's book on Irish Shipping Ltd. Am currently researching the first Irish Hazel in the Empire ships series. Apparently the book has quite a few details, which were posted at Ships Nostalgia. I can use that source, but would prefer to quote the actual book. I need page numbers for the dimensions (is 16'6" depth or draught?), speed, and Catskell being the manager. Other info I've sourced elsewhere. Mjroots (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Irish Hazel (1895) now created. If possible, the blog post should be replaced with the book reference, but as the post is sourced, it should just about pass RS. Mjroots (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

First, thanks for the article, it is good to see some progress on Irish maritime articles. The confisication of the Hazel was addressed in several books. I will check if we have that book. Regards Lugnad (talk) 08:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Look at: [1] If you need more, just ask. Lugnad (talk) 09:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is useful. Can quote the book directly now. Mjroots (talk) 09:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The quote about the ship "being fit for nothing but the scrap yard" does not appear on pages 26-27. Does it appear elsewhere in the book? Mjroots (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It is a quote, therefore it should be somewhere, right now I can't locate it, I will look later. Page 54 comes pretty close, perhaps use this instead [2]

While searching, pages from Pat Sweeney's book might be useful: [3] and [4]. Regards Lugnad Lugnad (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Found it!!! :) its in Frank Forde's book: [5] - Lugnad (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've not got time to assimilate that info atm, but it is good gen. Will also search the Irish Parliament debate records to see what I can find. Mjroots (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Neil Francis

Hi,

can you have a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Francis_%28rugby_union%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.126.6 (talk) 12:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC) {-} Sorry, but NO, its not my field Lugnad (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names

There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCom binding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland,Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Fmph (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Bible

Hey Lugnad, I just added a suggestion in the Bible talk page that goes back to what I think we were agreeing upon earlier. Your comments would be appreciated. WalkerThrough (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm on vacation Lugnad (talk) 12:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't sockpuppetry

Hey Lugnad,

    Did you get my emails that I sent you?  I showed that I didn't do sockpuppetry knowingly.  I used those other accounts only for 3 edits.  Please check your email.  God bless you.

Love in the King, WalkerThrough — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.115.85.244 (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Is this how you feel about a title?

I would like if you could please to answer on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration#On Bastun's comments on the nettle or here in response to my comment [6] about the degree of feeling you have whether the title Republic of Ireland being wrong, to see whether it falls under WP:TITLE#Neutrality in article titles as a non neutral name. We just need to see if what a couple of people say there reflects reality or not. Thanks. Dmcq (talk) 12:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid I got it in the neck for asking another person! Dmcq (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Mary B Mitchell

Hello I've changed your recent edits to this page a bit ( I've explained on the talk page, here); do you have a source for what you added? Thanks, Xyl 54 (talk) 19:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

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		Thanks so much for standing up for me against the many who were not showing integrity regarding the rules of WP. God bless you. WalkerThrough (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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DYK nomination for Cymric (schooner)

You forgot to suggest a hook when you nominated the article. I've suggested one for you. Mjroots (talk) 13:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - haven't done this before Lugnad (talk) 13:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I note that the ibx states she was a barquentine, which is confirmed by Lloyd's Register. Looks like the article may need to be moved. The Lloyd's register entries contain much info that could be used to expand the article with. I take it you are aware of WP:SHIPS/R, where you will find much of use. Mjroots (talk) 06:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest.

Perhaps ‘schooner’ was not the best way to distinguish this sailing ship (avoiding the use of schooner and barquentine) and the SS Cymric and SS Empire Cymric and there are others not yet on Wikipedia. I encountered a similar issue with the lifeboat Mary Stanford. There are two lifeboats – deliberately – with the same name. The first Mary Stanford was funded by the legacy on the death of Mary Stanford, but it capsized with the loss of the entire crew. John Stanford, widower of the late Mary Stanford donated the cost of another lifeboat, specifying that it should be named Mary Stanford, which became famous. At the time I enquired as to how they should be named on Wikipedia, but did not receive definitive advice.

As I understand it the difference between a three-masted schooner and a barquentine is only the sail plan. The schooner has fore-and-aft sails on all three masts, while the barquentine is square rigged on the fore mast and fore-and-aft sails on the other two masts. In Arklow they preferred the schooner configuration. The Cymic was configured as a barquentine until purchased by Arklow, and then she was configured as a schooner. When Arklow schooners were used in films they were (sometimes) configured as fully rigged ships, see this photo: [7]

Perhaps some of this should be in the article? There is a picture of the Cymric on the dust-cover of Frank Forde’s book Maritine Arklow. She is rigged as a schooner and has “EIRE” and two tricolours prominently on her side. There is a painting here: http://www.mariner.ie/history/remember/kenneth-king-paintings/cymric

The side markings are not as vivid, I have authority to upload a low-resolution image of this, but I would prefer the dust-cover painting.

WP guidelines speak of using the common name, and there are lots of references calling her a schooner.

However I will accept your advice on whether article should be renamed. Feel free to rename Regards Lugnad Lugnad (talk) 17:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

If she was re-reigged at some point, but spent most of her life/was better known as a schooner, then the current title is fine, and a redirect should be created from the barquentine title. If she was launched as a barquentine, then the link from the relevant list of ship launches should be under that title. The infobox and article should be tweaked to show that she was re-rigged at some point.

As for disambiguating ships of the same type with the same name, the usual method is by year of launch. If these are the same (it does happen!), then either month and year of launch or builder and year of launch can be used to disambiguate. Mjroots (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done Lugnad (talk) 14:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Ship articles

Not much advice I can give, other than to make full use of all sources, including those listed at WP:SHIPS/R as well as book sources. Remember that many Irish ships were registered under the British flag in the period between 1923-39. Good luck with the article. Mjroots (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Cymric (schooner)

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Mary B Mitchell, again

Hello, again
I've tagged one of your edits (this one) as dubious; the discussion is here, if you wish to comment. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

PS: I've also re-arranged the section headings a bit, to separate the RN and the merchant service; I trust you are OK with that? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Convoy SC 129

Just to reply to your post, there; yes, I do have an e-mail address, imaginatively titled Xyl_54@yahoo.co.uk . I had a look at the Irish Oak page; U-boat commanders seemed to suspect Q-ships everywhere, though they were hardly used by the Allies in WWII. ( I read a memoir by Jost Metzler, of U-69; he met a ship he decided was a Q-ship, just because it fired back at him when he attacked it; and both wars saw a steady stream of attacks on neutrals ("assumed to be British"), passenger liners ("assumed to be Armed Merchant Cruisers") and hospital ships ("assumed to be troopships") despite a lack of evidence, and all indications otherwise. Traveling with lights made one an easier target, and travelling without lights was "acting suspiciously". But I'm digressing:

Regards, Richard (Xyl 54 (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC))

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Hello
. Just to let you know, I've written this page up with the stuff I dug out. I've mentioned the Irish Oak incident briefly; do you want to have a look at it? I'm hoping it says enough (without going into too much detail), and that I've got to the nub of it, in relation to SC 129.
Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 11:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Nice work, looks good - Lugnad (talk) 09:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

MBM, yet again

We seem to have got to the point of agreeing that splitting the article into MBM (schooner) and MBM (Q-ship) would be the best solution. Is that fair comment?
I’m happy enough to do that, but I think for attribution purposes it’d be better if you created MBM (Schooner); most of the content will be what you have written (and if I do it, it’d look as if I’d written it) OTOH moving what’s left to MBM (Q-ship) is best done by myself (again, attribution).
Are you OK with the process? If you click on the red link, and cut and paste the material you need (or copy and paste the bits that should be in both) It’ll just need a brief edit summary at MBM and a “completed” note on the split section (I've added one here, for formalities sake). When you’ve done I’ll tidy up and move it over.
Does that seem OK to you? Xyl 54 (talk) 01:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

OK Lugnad (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

The schooner page looks good; I've sorted the Q-ship page out now. It might be an idea not to have the categories overlap, otherwise some bright spark will wonder why when they see them there: What do you think? Xyl 54 (talk) 14:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

PS I changed the MBM redirect to the schooner page, BTW; its the more general article. I trust you're OK with that. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

thanks - Lugnad (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Irish patrol boats during WWII

This webpage mentions a patrol vessel named Love rescuing survivors of a torpedoed Norwegian merchant ship only 5 nmi off the coast of Ireland. AFAIK, there was no HMS Love, was this an Irish ship? Mjroots (talk) 11:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I do not have an answer. There was no LÉ Love either. July 1940 was a bad time. There was very little activity on the south Irish coast. France had fallen so convoys were diverted to the north of Ireland, to be further away from German aircraft based in France. A string of mines had been laid at the southern end of the Irish Sea. So it is unusual to find any vessel there. However some activites are not recorded as on May 25, in fear of a German invasion, an order was given to destroy records of anything which supported the allies. At that time Irish patrol vessel Muirchú would have been in the area. There was some German activity in the area. On 12 - 13 June German submarine U-38 (1938) landed a spy in Dingle Bay. Another spy came on 25-26 June to Minard Head, believed to be from another U-boat. Three further spies were landed on 7 July at Toe Head from a yacht Soizic, see Operation Lobster I. So there was a fair amount of calandestine activity, but I am unaware of any ship Love -- Lugnad (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, will have to ask at Milhist. BTW, YHM. Mjroots (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Merchantman in/around Ireland in the 1800s?

Hey mo chara, wonder if you might have any insight into this question. Best. Haus^Talk 00:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Mo chara dhílis, I do not know the origin of the ship Anne. However the mutiny by the unfortunate convicts is well known. Lugnad (talk) 00:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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In the unlikely event that you missed it, the museum has made the front page!. Very impressive official opening ceremony btw. Didn't get a chance to chat afterwards, but very much appreciated the invitation. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 01:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you liked it. Do visit again Lugnad (talk) 05:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Certainly will. Its a fantastic resource, and a credit to you all. RashersTierney (talk) 12:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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I hadn't realised (perhaps a bit slow!) that the term British Isles, even as a geographical description, was contentious, so I've changed the lead in RNLI. If you think the independents article should be renamed, I have no probs with that, but there are quite a few "What links here" articles that would have to be adjusted, and I'm not sure if that has to be done manually. Regards, Tony Holkham (talk) 12:31, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Tony, thanks. the rename should be done. I'm not certain of the consequences either. Regards Lugnad (talk) 14:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it just needs a redirect page. What d'you think the article should be called, or shall I just throw it open on the article's talk page? Tony Holkham (talk) 15:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Nicholas Leech who has written many books on lifeboats has been using the term "Britain and Ireland" for some time. There are other ideas at British_Isles_naming_dispute#More_alternative_terms Regards Lugnad (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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The photo, which dates from January 1944, is in the archives of the Maritime Institute of Ireland. I have their permission. However orts correctly point out that the copyright rests with the photographer. I do not know who that was. Therefore it cannot be reproduced. The end. Lugnad (talk) 14:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Bog slides

Hi! I reverted your edit on Mudflow because bog slides aren't mentioned in the reference, but I've been looking for someone from Ireland or the UK to help create an article about bog slides. Would you be willing to consult? It would mostly be terminology--starting with what they're commonly called. I posted a request for help, but have never gotten a reply. Thanks!— Gorthian (talk) 18:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

'Lo - I am no expert, but I will try. A few years ago, I was in west Donegal, when this peat bog started moving. Locals and officials from the County Council (who are responsible for the road) used the term "bog slide" Lugnad (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

- and here is another pic [8] Lugnad (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Your pictures are a blessing to have access to--thank you! Do you have any suggestions for references (preferably online)? Might there be anything substantial in the British Newspaper Archive?

I tend to edit in fits and starts, but I hope to start at least a stub article soon.— Gorthian (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, boy, I just did a search for "bog slide" and also "bogslide" in the BNA, and came up with more than 500 results. Maybe I'll join for a month and try to sift through some of those articles.— Gorthian (talk) 21:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

replied by email Lugnad (talk) 16:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I never got the email. Try again? Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 17:23, 10 December 2015 (UTC)