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SS Irish Oak

I've moved the article to SS Irish Oak per naming conventions for steamship. I'm currently working on a more compact infobox in my sandbox. The cost of the bareboat charter is only mentioned in the current infobox. This should really be in the article and referenced. The ship was one of the {{Design 1019 ships}}, so the template needs adding; also, there are many more categories which the article falls into, I'll do both of these shortly. Mjroots (talk) 09:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The article has the makings of GA in the short term, and maybe FA in the medium term. See my comments on the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 10:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Working on it . Mjroots (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I've finished for now. You might find this source useful re the sinking of Irish Oak. {{cite book}} will be useful too. Mjroots (talk) 18:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

.de Wiki has a little on the sinking of U-607 - see here. Mjroots (talk) 07:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

You've nearly cracked the refs. Just these four to go now:- Voyage taking 9mo from USA (one of the books?); lights on at night; violation of neutral status; Berlin knowing claim was a wild exaggeration. Once these have been done we can take a close look at what the criteria are for GA. Mjroots (talk) 18:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't like giving up on the rumor that an American sub sank her, there are allusions to it in questions in dail/commons. Is the "violation of neutral status" addressed by what happened to the guilemot?; the Berlin knowing claim was a wild exaggeration. would be useful in your 607 article ClemMcGann (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The claim about Berlin would be useful if it could be verified. Suggest we remove it from the article, leaving the violation of neutrality as the last unreferenced statement. I'm looking on the net to see what I can come up with about the neutrality of merchant ships in wartime. Mjroots (talk) 06:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

OK I agree, I will continue to search for the phrase. It might be in a back issue of 'signals' (the house magazine of the now defunct Irish Shipping Limited) [1]. I might add the crew list of the Irish Oak. John Clarke tells me that when they got to Dublin they lunched in Leinster House (seat of the Dail). The "Fate of U-607" paragraph has more about the Irish Oak than the 607.

When this is done, perhaps we could look at RNLB Mary Stanford. I would like to raise its profile. The bravest lifeboat - left to rot!

Thanks - ClemMcGann (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

(od) I've nominated the article at WP:GAN#WAR. It's currently #30 on the list, so might be a few weeks before a reviewer tackles it. I was thinking that Irish Plane Irish Pine might also be worthy of an article. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Your interest is appreciated. Several of the other ships are worthy of attention and progression. I would rather advance RNLB Mary Stanford as I consider her current treatment a disgrace. As for the war-time ships, logically the overview Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II should be first, I'm also brewing an Irish Shipping Ltd during the war article User:ClemMcGann/isl

That final uncited remains, there are lots of allusions to it but I have yet to find a precise cite

and I haven't given up on U-607 and the 'wild exaggeration' ClemMcGann (talk) 10:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Irish Shipping Ltd sounds as though it would make an article on its own. A template could be made to link all the ships it owned - see Seatruck Ferries for an example of this. As you will have seen, I've rewritten the article to eliminate that final fact tag. The other stuff has been removed for now, so it can be discounted. Keep searching for sources and by all means add in such info that can be referenced. Is RNLB still awaiting a peer review? Hopefully it'll get done in due course. Mjroots (talk) 10:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

In time, I'll do an Irish Pine but there is little to be said. The tragic loss of 33 lives. Her rescue of the Richmond Castle. There is more material in your original idea Irish Plane. - offhand - Obviously its rescue of the Irish Oak. Her trip under the old 'fenian flag' (gold harp on green field). Her encounter with the Britsh destroyer near the Azores (can't remember name). Her accident on the Antrim coast and her final loss in 1947 off Cork ClemMcGann (talk) 10:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Irish Shipping Ltd already has an article. I've created the Irish Pine article. No doubt you'll be able to expand it in due course. Mjroots (talk) 07:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I meant Irish Shipping during the war - enough went on to justify an article on that period. Thks for the Pine aticle ClemMcGann (talk) 13:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

(od) The article has been assessed for GA status and found to be wanting help in a few areas. I'll shout at WP:SHIPS for assistance with copyediting. Can you fix the caption issue? Mjroots (talk) 07:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed that the info on MV Irish Oak is not referenced. I've added a few details of her later history on the talk page - source is Miramar. Mjroots (talk) 06:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I notice that the article has not passed the GAR. However, it is not too far short and the problems do not seem insurmountable. We really need someone fresh to give it a good copy-edit and then resubmit it. In the meantime, I'm minded to move the article as proposed on the talk page. What do you think? Mjroots (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes - move it - and thanks for your efforts - I'm going to give it a rest for a while - then I will probably go back to (what I see as) the umbrella article: Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II - when it makes it, try the 'exemplar' ship: MV Kerlogue before returning to the SS Irish Oak Regards ClemMcGann (talk) 13:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I've done the move, sorted out the various redirects etc, and listed the article for copyediting at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. It is currently 77th so don't expect action too soon. Mjroots (talk) 08:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I've dropped Sturmvogel another note this morning. Suggest we wait a while. We can always renominate at WP:GAN. Mjroots (talk) 10:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

thanks ClemMcGann (talk) 16:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

U-607

If you take a look in my sandbox, you'll find an article on U-607 in preparation. Still needs a bit of work as it's mainly from only two sources atm. Will do more work on it later as I'm off for a family lunch. Mjroots (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

well done ClemMcGann (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How about thinking up a good hook and nominating this for WP:DYK? Let me know if you need any help but you only have 5 days from the creation date. ww2censor (talk) 18:39, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Asgard II

What was wrong with my addition of ISL as the ships' managers? Mjroots (talk) 13:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

ISL ceased to exist over 25 years ago! [2] ClemMcGann (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Asgard II was commissioned in 1981, so would seem to have been under ISLs management initially. Mjroots (talk) 07:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It was - correct ClemMcGann (talk) 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Rockall/Roccabarra

According to the article, that's what the natives called it upon its discovery. Perhaps it's not a "native name" more than it is a n "original name".

Which article? what natives? Discovery when? I'm inclined to revert the lot ClemMcGann (talk) 11:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Ath-bhliain foai mhaise dhaoibh a chara.

Have a good new year. BigDunc 18:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:Irish maritime stubs

Hi ClemMcGann - you wrote: Wondering why anyone would limit "This category is for articles that are directly connected to Irish Maritime." to "This category is for articles that are directly connected to the Maritime history of Ireland." particularly when many of the articles in the category are not "history"? Quite simply because there is no such permcat as Category:Irish maritime, neither does any other country have such a stub category in the form "Fooian maritime". The nearest equivalent permcat is Category:Maritime history of Ireland. Given that all stubcats should map directly onto a permcat, it seemed the logical thing to do to map it onto that.

BTW, your comments at WP:SFD seem to suggest that you may not fully understand the purpose of stub templates and categories - which is not connected to specific subject wikiprojects, but is an overarching system for all of Wikipedia. If your WikiProject needs to keep track of its stubs, it would make far more sense for it to use a banner assessment template. It's a more flexible scheme for individual projects, allows a direct link from each article's talk page to your project, and allows you to keep track of all of your project's articles, not just the stubs. To give you an idea of just how flexible it can be, have a look at how the Beatles WikiProject uses their assessment templates: Wikipedia:TBA. Grutness...wha? 01:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

ok ClemMcGann (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahoy, S.S. Irish Oak! Re: copyedit...

I've glanced at the article and I'm willing to help you and Mjroots. How would it be if I leave notes for you both when I've finished a section or need further information for clarity? Cheers! Shir-El too 18:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Mjroots has suggested I leave notes on the SS Irish Oak's discussion page instead, which I'm doing. Please check it out, as there are a number of questions already. Thank you, Shir-El too 03:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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I went to Spain on a short vacation. I marked this page as my being on a wiki break. On my return two valid images are gone. To give such short notice, when on a wiki break, is unreasonable ClemMcGann (talk) 09:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

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Irish Oak: didn't thank you before...

I didn't thank you before for your pompt reply to my questions. I see you must have your hands full at the moment! I've requested some further info (on its discussion page) to round-off the article before submitting it again; except for that I think the article is ready. Please let me know when you get back, and good luck with your renovations! Cheers! Shir-El too 17:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

back with the cbcc again. I will look at those images next week. for what its worth I am on the council of the Maritime Institute of Ireland who own those paintings and I spoke with Kenneth King, the artist, and with Des Brannigan who scanned them, (the same who ran guns for the Spainish Civil War and was declared persona non gratia in Spain) before uploading them. I was of the opinion that I had given sufficient information ClemMcGann (talk) 12:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

btw - what "renovations"? I´'m just enjoying some sunshine : though I had a bad experience = my wallet was lifted = fortunately they didn't have pin numbers 88.5.185.96 (talk) 12:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

When I went to the Meritime Institute website it mentioned the building was closed, undergoing renovations; I thought you might be involved. I can't help you with the image problem, as I'm relatively new here myself and my mentor is on a Wiki break indefinately, so can't ask her. Why don't you ask one of the administrators for advice/help? Or how about getting a mentor? That's how I've been able to learn so fast (for me) on how to do things here. (One other thought: if the image you used is also on a postcard or brochure, then you may upload it and use the "fair use" rationale, i.e. it's part of promitional litarature.)

I'm sorry about your wallet. And even more sorry for your loss. May you know no more sorrow. All the Best, Shir-El too 20:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

We are currently rebuilding that web-site, the new site is temporally at [3]. (have a look - give me your opinion) We have (if I say so myself) done a magnificent job restoring the church. We had a wiki get together during the renovations, rather poorly attended, in my opinion. We will - very soon - start on the final phase - heating, toilets, emergency lights, wheelchair access, counters in reception area and coffee dock, some display cabinets. We are resolved to reopen this year although it will be late in the year

As for the paintings - we (the MII) own them - the artist is a member - they were scanned by a former president (of the MII) so I fail to see the rationale of the need for 'fair use'. I have reinstated the Oak - this time on commons

He also deleted the Leukos. Recently relatives of an Argentine national who was killed when she was shelled by a U-boat were located. They were presented with his posthumous medal - I was at the ceremony and have a photo, so I need to look at that article again, anyway ST Leukos

However I don't like to see our material elsewhere without attribution, its no so much the actions of the Rumanian student that I object to - its the way its done - wait till I go on a (clearly marked) wiki break and give a weeks notice of deletion.

A problem with Wikipedia is having to watch articles and protect them from vandals and administrators. Since I started to revise the website, I have received quite a few articles from published authors, The old site does rate well on Google hits, I'm beginning to concentrate more on it than this wiki. As I said, have a look, I would be interested in your opinion. I will 'launch' it around Easter ClemMcGann (talk) 01:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

1. Without further referenced info I'm done on Irish Oak. Will be happy to come back when you have more - let me know.
2. Followed the link to the obutiary. Good text; lacks good punctuation. Will be happy to re-write gratis if you wish.
3. Admins, like critics, are supposed to be a pain; it's how they spur others to excellence. Meanwhile, why not ask the person in question for their help? They can only say "no".

Cheers! Shir-El too 13:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I gave the Romanian student a task, [4] perhaps he will yet prove useful

Thanks for your work on the Oak

I won't touch the obituary. Philip died while I was in Spain, that obituary was agreed by several people. I won't disturb it

I do appreciate your rewrite offer. Do browse through the other articles on that site [5], particularly that which do not credit an author. I would value your advice and copy-edit

Regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. It will probably pass this time round. That comment, however, is somewhat "crystal ball gazing" at the present time, as my review is far from being complete (but I only tend to fail 10% of the articles that I review). Pyrotec (talk) 22:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Re the problems with OR (I agree). I don't whether the records exist nowadays in easy accessable form, but newspaper reports of the trial(s) can be used as sources (as they are published documents). Pyrotec (talk) 16:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

some months ago, I tried and failed. I am told that reporting of war-related crime was censored. This might have applied. ClemMcGann (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

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done made a request for deletion IngerAlHaosului (talk) 18:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

will watch with interest ClemMcGann (talk) 18:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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Eire→Éire

While this is grammatically correct, the É was not used by the UK government, nor was it used during the war to mark Irish territory, ships, etc. ClemMcGann (talk) 09:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Clem, I didn't know that. Could you point me at any articles you've reverted so I can add them to the bot as exceptions? Cheers CmdrObot (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II

Hi ClemMcGann, I've had a quick look at the article. I like it. Hypothetically, if I was doing a WP:GAN review on it today it would pass. Just to clarify, I'm not doing a review on it today so I'm not passing it.

You've got a lot of good details, with citations; and some good illustrations. My personal preference would be to make Bibliography and References into a single section as you are using a lot of author/page no referencing in the References and these refer to publications in the Bibliography. Your grammar is good: lots of short one, two and three sentence paragraphs are somewhat looked down one, but you have not fallen foul of that.

There are some minor changes that I would suggest, that could help improved the article:

• I don't particularly like this style of writing: "Irish Mercantile Marine[note 2] refers to the fleet of Irish registered merchant ships, be they privately or government owned, engaged in the commerce or transportation of goods in and out of the navigable waters of Ireland", it looks like a definition from a academic lecture.
• Don't assume that the general reader is familiar with dates in Irish (and World) history:

• So "Following the Irish War of Independence, ..." could become: "Following the Irish War of Independence (1919-21), ...."
• "The economic depression had been global", could be edited to: "The economic depression in the early 1930s had been global."

The "metric police" will get you, so change "235,000 acres" to "235,000 acres (95,000 ha)", and I saw a lot of "ton"s (the problem is depending on where you are a ton is 2000 lbs or 2240 lbs; and some people only understand kilos); but you've already got feet mostly covered but not all. (Sorry, no pun was intended in "covering feet").

Nominate it at WP:GAN when you are good and ready. If I'm free, and no one else gets there first, I'd be happy to review it. Pyrotec (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I should have added: there are templates {{convert}} as in {convert|235000|acre} and {convert|400|ft}, double braces needed, so you don't need to hard-code convert, as in "142 feet (43 m) long Kerlogue". Pyrotec (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Now a GA. Congratulations. Pyrotec (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

thanks, - ClemMcGann (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

SS Irish Oak GA

You've earned it! Mjroots (talk) 10:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

This user helped promote SS Irish Oak (1919) to good article status.

Congratulations! Next stop WP:FA!Autarch (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Good job, I intend adding it to the Ireland Portal articles. ww2censor (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Congrats! Well deserved. RashersTierney (talk) 01:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

and thanks to all of you for those kind words - and thanks to all who contributed to the article ClemMcGann (talk) 03:02, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

You will find it at: Portal:Ireland/Selected_article_archive/40 and it appears randomly out of 40 pages. Unfortunately the Portal:Ireland get very little traffic; between 32-72 per day and 117 on St.Patrick's Day. ww2censor (talk) 04:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

So? - let's make it more interesting, more attractive! ClemMcGann (talk) 08:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Gle mhaith! Haus^Talk 04:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Haus ! :)) agus buichos duit freshin - thanks for your previous advice and assistance - good to hear from you again ClemMcGann (talk) 08:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with the Irish Merchantile Marine during World War II article. Looks like that may make GA too in the near future. Mjroots (talk) 10:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciation! Only got back today and have to run! Has it been nominated for DYK? Will get back to you when able. Cheers! Shir-El too 12:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

It has plenty of potential DYNs, but first I'll get the Merchantile Marine it to GA, thanks ClemMcGann (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I was referring to a DYK for Irish Oak, not Mercantile Marine. My computer's been down; hope "to be back soon!" Shir-El too 19:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

and Haus is gone back to sea! who is left? come back soon ClemMcGann (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again! Took a look at Merchantile Marine and it needs editorial work. I'm not up to speed on the tool changes here at WP so I'll be relying on you heavily. Shall we use the same method as with Irish Oak, posting Q & A's on the Discussion page? 'Talk' to you soon, Shir-El too 17:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Mariners' Church

I finally created the article for the above, will work on it as time permits. Mariners' Church, Dún Laoghaire Need a photo of the exterior, also some history. Regards, Hohenloh ⁺ 17:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, do you have any details of the dimensions of the church? I need these for the Infobox, also any other details that may be of use for the Infobox. Ta! Hohenloh ⁺ 18:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I will ask the architect next week ClemMcGann (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

He will send me the accurate dimensions in a few days ClemMcGann (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi. I am not sure which comment you are referring to. It is evident that the Irish Mercantile Marine is a subject about which you know a great deal. The edits I made are relatively minor and I feel we should discuss why you would rv them without explaining why. Also I think I made the article better by moving the images -- the result is much better than before. Yours, Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 18:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you are referring to the edit summary. I see. That was just in case there was anything you disagreed with that, as the article's primary editor, you might rv while making future updates. Maybe I was being too defensive. Sorry. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 18:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi there. I'm responding to the message you left on my talk page. First off, I don't quite understand what you are asking of me. Do you wish for me to create a graphic of an actual ticket that will be used in real life for admissions to this museum? If so, then you've come to the wrong person. I would be happy if you could clarify what you want. Secondly, I am in somewhat of a jam right now, my computer having crashed, and I am unable to edit more than a few times a week, meaning I will have to put your request on hold until my computer is fixed. However, I would be happy to work with you on this project of yours, provided it is within my abilities. In any case, I will wait for your answers to my questions before taking further action. -Jakkinx|Talk|Sign! 18:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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No need to make a specific request because File:Innisfallen(2).jpg is already tagged as having being on the commons and it will be deleted in due course. You can always add the {{db-author}} tag to the image if you are impatient. ww2censor (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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The Spire

Thanks for your intervention. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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Response to your list question

I posted a response to your question about timeline lists at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists #Irish maritime events during World War II.

Rynanna

I think my source for Rynanna is the book on Kent shipwrecks. I'm currently housesitting at the moment so will check book when I get a chance, maybe later today but certainly over the weekend. Mjroots (talk) 06:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Source is the Shipwrecks of Kent, p43. Ship was built in 1909 if you want to start researching for an article. Gotta dash out, will add source to list later today. Mjroots (talk) 12:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ta very, will try to get more info - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I misspelled the name of the ship, it is Rynanna. I don't know why she doesn't show up until 1937 as no previous name is recorded. Mjroots (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Rockall

Hi Clem,

I made the edit to the Rockall infobox on the grounds that the UK seems to be the only country to actually land on the rock, plant the flag and claim it, as well as putting the plaque on Hall's ledge. I think that it would be more accurate to continue to list Denmark, Ireland and Iceland as 'claiming' the rock, and change the UK to 'administering' it. The UK, as the article correctly states, only claimes a 12nm radius around the rock, so it seems to me that the disagreements regarding the terratorial claims to the shelf as discussed in the article are largely disconnected from the claims to the rock itself. Although all four parties claim the area, Denmark, Ireland and Iceland seem to only be interested in the shelf, whereas the UKs interest centres on the rock.

I am all for changing it as described above, but I am sure that you feel differently - you were quite right to revert my edit as I should have discussed it before changing it.

I have posted a duplicate of this message on the Rockall talk page as it is no use to anyone else having a discussion on our own talk pages. It would be great if we could talk it over there.

ANHL (talk) 21:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia Ireland

Hi,

A while back you added your name at Wikimedia Ireland. Well, it took a year (almost to the day) but ten editors have expressed an interest in starting a Wikimedia chapter in Ireland, which meets the criteria for a "critical mass". If you're still interested, I'd would be great if we could kick off discussion. Maybe, a first step might be to introduce ourselves (anonymously) at the chapter talk page with some ideas about what a chapter could do or a sketch of your interest in founding one ... or even just say restate an interest and say 'hello' :-)

You may also be interested in joining the Wikimedia Ireland mailing list, if you are not already on it. --RA (talk) 20:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Book of Kells

Hi Clem, I noticed that you added the initial errors section to Book of Kells with this edit. An anonIP editor recently added a citation request for this section so I wondered if you have some sources for this. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

==Kells==

I'm fairly certain that it was from Simm's book, which I haven't to hand, I'll look, but no promises. I suppose giving an image of the book itself would be OR? ps have u seen http://doodle.com/98u89hyei8r24dus ? - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I thought I was on the mailing list for these things - may I'm not? Hohenloh ⁺ 17:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

page 1 of the Genealogy of Jesus is here: File:KellsFol200rGeneolgyOfChrist.jpg while page two is hereFile:KellsFol201rGeneolgyOfChrist.jpg The second entry on this page is the 'extra ancestor' - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Y not the cites i wanted, but cites nonetheless - ClemMcGann (talk) 03:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Cookies

Thank you so much for the cookie of course now my diet is ruined but hey I'll make the tea and we'll enjoy together them both together. So kind thank you for the encouragement its well appreciated.Uthican (talk) 13:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Museums in Ireland

The National Leprechaun Museum already has an article and is listed on List of museums in the Republic of Ireland. I'm working on adding museums bit by bit over the next week or two. Thanks for the help. Jllm06 (talk) 21:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

IMMinWWII

Hey Clem. I've got an eye on your GA candidacy and will pitch in if necessary. I spied a few punctuation problems today and was surprised to find that while I was fixing them, a script that I use was silently causing problems with some references on the page that use a "group" parameter. I went back and took a close look, and think I fixed all the problems it caused. If you happen to see any remaining problems, let me know and I'll fix them. Cheers. Haus^Talk 21:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

much appreciated. if you are even in this part of the world do visit the museum. when this is through I'll nominate the Kerlogue. wondering whether to nominate the timeline and what to niminate it for. regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 00:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. The article is coming along nicely again! I've got a question for you: can you tell me what exactly Forde says about Menapia's tonnage? My guess is that it is gross register tonnage. If so, stating that might preclude some problems down the road. Also, the template {{GRT}} might be of some help. Cheers. Haus^Talk 23:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll check, but first look at this [6]

That is Kenneth King. He lives in Glencolmcille a very remote and beautiful part of Donegal. He was very welcoming. Since the MII owns the paintings featured in the article I was ok for otrs. However I considered it polite to ask his permission. I had a hard copy of the article as it was then. He was happy to say yes. Then he spoke at length of the voyage of the Menapia and asked me to include it. Now - where is that book? - ClemMcGann (talk) 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

902 gross tons. See [7]. Should I use that GRT template? - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 23:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice painting. :) Hopefully after I get over the hump of the chief mate's license, I'll get some time to come and immerse myself in the Old Country and it's lovely libations. Pre-1960s, "gross tons" has to mean "gross register tonnage". The template is an option, but it is useful to link to the grt article for non-specialists. Cheers. Haus^Talk 23:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to respond to your question on the GAC page, here is a method to deal with the situation where an author published more than 1 book in the same year. The title approach is used as well, as mentioned in Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to present citations. Cheers. Haus^Talk 04:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The Sun is pretty big,<ref>Brown 2005b, p. 23.</ref>
but the Moon is not so big.<ref>Brown 2005a, p. 46.</ref>
== Notes ==
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== References ==
*Brown, R. (2005a). "Size of the Moon", ''Scientific American'', 51(78).
*Brown, R. (2005b). ''The Sun'', Academic Press.

thanks, I'll look at this again ClemMcGann (talk) 08:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm doing a little picking of nits on the article right now, and ran across a sentence that I don't quite understand. Can you expand the sentence with "requisition the tankers" a bit? Does this mean "transfer to the British fleet?" Thanks. Haus^Talk 00:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, coffee hasn't made it to the brain yet: the following sentences make it clear. I do think tweaking that particular sentence would be helpful, though. Cheers. Haus^Talk 00:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

yes, thats what happened. I'll look at it again. - ClemMcGann (talk) 00:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

SS Eros and U-48

Hi, have you seen this? I'm interested in writing a short article on the Eros event at some stage, but probably you know much more of the surrounding details.Red Hurley (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)