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Latest comment: 4 years ago by HistoryofIran in topic GA articles

Tomyris

There is two theory about this some historians believe she was Turk and some other believe she was Iranian . It needs time to find other references but now according to these sources, Massagetean and also Queen Tomyris was related to Turkic people :

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_sheet_of_book_%22An_Archaic_Dictionary_Biographical,_Historical,_and_Mythological%22.png

2.

The book: Hunted through Central Asia by Paul Nazaroff

3.there is some other references for this : https://tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/2016/03/tomyris-queen-of-massagetae.html

Mrjbmrjb (talk) 22:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

First off;
1. An Archaic Dictionary: Biographical, Historical, and Mythological, by William Ricketts Cooper, dated 1876
Outdated, and William Ricketts Cooper was never an historian.
2. Hunted through Central Asia, by Paul Nazaroff.
Not a book on history and Paul Nazaroff is a geologist not an historian.
3. https://tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.com/2016/03/tomyris-queen-of-massagetae.html
Blogs are not reliable sources.
So you have presented zero historians. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:34, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Success!

Scroll down for your name.[1] He's a good guy. I voted for his reconfirmation as a steward by the way. Doug Weller talk 07:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Thanks! Sounds like a proper vote; he sounds promising. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: Just replied to your email. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Azar Bigdeli copyedit

@Miniapolis: Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Glad to help! All the best, Miniapolis 18:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Hindu Empires and Dynasties

That article sounds like WP:OR. How Kambojas, Kushan Empire, Alchon Huns, Kabul Shahi, and some other linked articles were Hindu? In what aspect? --Wario-Man (talk) 22:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: The inclusion criteria seem to be very vague. Hindu in origin? Hindu rulers at some point? Hindu citizens within its domains? - LouisAragon (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I think the user who created that article, just adds any dynasty who touched a part of India or used Sanskrit. We have List of Muslim states and dynasties and List of Sunni dynasties, and I think while they are not important articles, they are based on facts. But this is definition of Hindu:
  • "Hindus are persons who regard themselves as culturally, ethnically, or religiously adhering to aspects of Hinduism. Historically, the term has also been used as a geographical, cultural, and later religious identifier for people indigenous to the Indian subcontinent."
So how those dynasties fit in "Hindu"? --Wario-Man (talk) 04:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: I believe the later Kabul Shahi were Hindu kings, also known as "Hindu Shahis" (per André Wink). Not really sure about the Kushans, Alchons and Kambojas. It appears some rulers of these entities adopted certain aspects of Hinduism/Hindu culture, while they also ruled over Hindu peoples (in addition to other peoples). Does that make them "Hindu empires/dynasties"? Anyways, these topic areas are not really my field of expertise. But I believe you did the right thing by removing them and adding tags. Some of those entries looked dubious to say the least. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
As you know, the identity, origin, and background of a dynasty, kingdom, or empire is not simple. e.g. maternal side of Ottoman Sultans were diverse, but did it change their identity? Or being a Muslim dynasty is equal to being an Arab dynasty? Also there are cases like Timurids; a mix of East, Central, and West Asia in many aspects. Calling those dynasties Hindu is wrong unless there would be some reliable sources that use term "Hindu X". I'll watch that article. Thanks for your reply. --Wario-Man (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Map on Iraqi Kurdistan

Sorry about that I should have checked the revision history beforehand. I went to the page and found it unreadable and tried to put in a fix for it. Didn't realise this was a previous spam problem. Thanks for fixing that. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 16:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Snood1205: I know you meant well. Thank you for your kind message. Take care, - LouisAragon (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Safavid occupation of Basra (1697–1701)

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Safavid occupation of Basra (1697–1701) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with your GAN.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: Many thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
You're very welcome. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

He requested 6-month ban and then created 50+ sock puppets! Just take a look at the names of socks. 10/10 WP:SCRUTINY. Do you think he's related to Team Tirgil34? --Wario-Man (talk) 03:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

One of the socks was certainly involved in denying the problem of pan-Turkist changes to Eurasian articles and accusing myself and MMFA of racism for suggesting it. I didn't see any actual problematic edits though. Probably if the protections at Huns were lower. Ermenrich (talk) 05:00, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
User:Dilbilir? Seraphim System had OK edits in his contribution history but he had pro-Turkey bias and POV-pushing mentality. I don't think a normal user would perform a plan like SS' sockpuppetry project. His SPI case shows a paid shill activity in my opinion.And Tirgil34 is one of the most toxic cases I have encountered on WP. Not only he's still active here, but he spreads his propaganda via other websites like his website(s), YouTube, internet forums, and etc. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems odd that a shill would self-block and also try to have all the articles they created speedily deleted though. Maybe it's more than one person, given that they seem to have variable strength at English.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
It sounds odd but it's not an uncommon behavior among sockmasters. Sometimes a sockmaster creates several accounts and tries to make each account as undetectable as they can. That's the reason why they have different writing style, English language skills, or even very different personalities. Sometimes sockpuppets revert each other, argue with each other, and participate in discussions. But yes, there could be a team behind Seraphim System. In my opinion, it's not impossible that a Turanist or Pan-Turkist group operate as Tirgil34. Because the way he promotes anti-X stuff (X: Iranian, IE, Russian, European, and etc) on Internet, is not typical POV-pushing. It's a propaganda. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
"(...) but he had pro-Turkey bias and POV-pushing mentality" -- From what I remember, the disruptive part of SS's editorial pattern was marked by POV pushing on Armenia-related topics; in particular, Armenia-Turkey topics (e.g. Armenian Genocide, Armenian Highlands). SS is known to have initiated numerous edit wars on these articles.
As for the 50+ sockpuppets, a "wise" man once said: "It is very easy to make good edits on obscure subjects. It is also very easy to make bad ones, to make deliberately bad ones, to knowingly insert content ranging from distortions to blatant lies to make the articles follow your agenda. And it is easy for that faulty content to remain there because of the obscurity and specialization of the subject." Seraphim System was making both sort of edits: he was a problematic editor not because of his socking, but because of his editing aims revealed through his content additions. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. BTW, Does Achaemenid Empire have enough topics (culture and etc) for creating a Navbox? I created Parthian and Sasanian navboxes, so I feel my work is incomplete without Achaemenids. Aren't you interested to create it? --Wario-Man (talk) 02:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: The Achaemenid period is still underdeveloped on Wikipedia, but I think there are enough articles to create a template. Its a huge topic, so it may be somewhat difficult to decide which articles should be included on the template, and which should be not. Having said that, I'm not really interested in creating a template myself atm. IMO we need to start rolling out some GA/A/B-class articles first (not counting those Greco-Persian Wars articles, which were written using atrocious sources) in order to create a proper "core" for this topic area. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
And watch this guy and his activity.[2][3] --Wario-Man (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

And for the lulz.[4] The blue parts are Tirgil34's discoveries. That's how he works. He finds something and mistranslates, falsifies, and adds his personal stuff to it. Then spread it everywhere. His BS blog is blacklisted but unfortunately some editors still add his stuff to WP articles thanks to Google search. --Wario-Man (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Ah yes, I remember him, he tried to Turkify Tomyris using non-RS "sources".[5]
That archive link you sent is pure banter. "After the Aryans moved to the Middle East, they called the country Ariana, i.e. “Aryan country” or Iran (from Türkic ar “man, warrior”, with abstract suffix -an. The name does not have an IE etymology." Kek. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
What do you expect from a Pan-Turkist/Turanist paid shill who is anti-Iranian, anti-European and denies the existence of IE languages? He just promotes some kind of Sun Language Theory and tries to restore/revive it: "Everything was/is Turkic". The good thing is while he's very active on YT and a forum called theapricity and still creates account here[6][7], he almost played all of his cards on EN WP. I remember how he infected many articles in 2012-2014. If you notice any similar activity, be bold and submit SPI case. Because as you know, he creates dozens of accounts to avoid detection. BTW, see Sogdia and its talk page. --Wario-Man (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

The name of Kavadh I

Hey - been expanding the Kavadh I article and I must say, I don't think I have yet seen the usage of the spelling 'Kavadh', I've seen a lot of 'Kavad' and 'Kawad' though. What do you think? Article move tiem? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:
  • Kavadh Sasanian
42 JSTOR hits.
3.740 Google books hits.
  • Kavad Sasanian
141 JSTOR hits.
2.840 Google books hits.
  • Kawad Sasanian
96 JSTOR hits.
717 Google books hits.
"Kavadh Sasanian" gets 1 BrillOnline hit (PS: you might like this entry?[8]), while "Kavad Sasanian" gets 18, and "Kawad Sasanian" 10.
Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Seems like I'm requesting for a move to Kavad I then. And yeah that source looks interesting, do you have access to it? --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Unfortunately not as I'm not subbed to Brill. But I'm sure Cplakidas or the guys at WP:REX could help you out. PS: perhaps you'd like getting these sources as well.[9]-[10]-[11]-[12]-[13]-[14]-[15]-[16]-[17] Please let me know if you need any of the Oxford or JSTOR sources (I'm subbed to both). - LouisAragon (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
[18] Sigh.. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Yeah. Not sure what to say. MC is a respectable editor, and has done splendid work on Wikipedia so far, but I'm afraid he's starting to make massive errors on West Asia articles as of lately. This is what I had to revert not that long ago.[19]-[20] I'm 100% sure he made these edits in good faith, but in regular occassions, these edits would have been labeled as outright WP:AA2 violations. There are still hundreds of articles to be made to cover all Safavid/Sasanian/etc. governors. It appears he seriously thinks Sistan/Khuzestan/Kartli/Kirman/Gurgan, etc. only had 2 governors during the Safavid/Sasanian/etc periods? There were empires/entities that existed hundreds of years, and there are literally dozens of peer-reviewed sources that make mention of governors that held office within these entities/empires (Floor's Titles and emoluments in Safavid Iran comes to mind, amongst many others). Just because we have only covered a small fraction of these governors so far, it doesn't mean those categories should be deleted. In short: all those categories will be populated in the future. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wrong edit

Apologies for my wrong edit in Bahman Mirza Qajar. I read about the other governorships and I don't understand how I missed reading Tehran. My default double-check (auto-search text string, in this case search for "Tehran") unfortunately did not reveal the oversight either because the article spells "Teheran" in the part where it discusses the governorships. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle: No worries, I know you meant well. Thank you for your message. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wiktionary

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Four Award

  Four Award
Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Teresa Sampsonia. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Well done. A fine and fascinating article. The first Four Award of many I hope. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Many thanks! Yeah, I hope so too haha. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Teresa Sampsonia scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Teresa Sampsonia article has been scheduled as today's featured article for April 27, 2019. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 27, 2019, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

We also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors on the day before and the day of this TFA. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for "a remarkable woman of the 17th century. Though often overshadowed by the "legacy" of her husband (Robert Shirley), Teresa had an unique life story. Born into a noble family in Safavid Iran, alongside her husband Robert, she travelled far and wide, and became the subject of numerous contemporary literary and visual works during her own lifetime."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Just noticed this gracing the front page. I thought that it looked familiar. Nice work and well done. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: @Gog the Mild: Thanks you for your kind words! - LouisAragon (talk) 22:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Alliance School Kermanshah

Hello LouisAragon. You did a good job improving my article Xerxes’s inscription , which I am grateful for that.It is nice that we are both interested in the history of Iran and I can learn from you,

I have an article in draft," Draft:Alliance School Kermanshah". I have gone through it three times and put in it as much sources i could find.I wonder if you could take a look at it and let me know what else it needs and what more I can do to it.I translated it from Wikipedia Farsi in the first place, Thank you.Alex-h (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Alex-h: Hi, excuse me for my belated response. I made some fixes, improved/added references, and removed links/sources that are probably deemed unreliable. It should be good now. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:09, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello LouisAragon, I did not expect you to put time and work on it. It was very nice of you. I hope we can work together more. Thank you again.Alex-h (talk) 21:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Could you review this article?

Hi. Looking at this article, I think it fails to summarize its sourced content and it may have some POV/OR stuff. Could you check it? --Wario-Man (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Compare it with other related article. Sections "In scripture and folklore" especially the third paragraph does not sound NPOV. Also see [21] and [22]. I guess he manipulated those articles. Because every time he changes a WP article, he uses them on that forum or YT. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: Good find! I removed what seemed to be the biggest violation of unsourced WP:OR, and added a few tags. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Also take a look at Origin of the name Khuzestan and this; used IP-hopping and their total contributions to other articles do not look unbiased. Check from the first edit.[23] And this onerequires your attention too.[24]--Wario-Man (talk) 15:45, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

POV - So you just delete this?

That is funny. How you just delete my comment. If you continue to spread POV style edits on Turkey with the idiotic belief that a 2nd world post communist eastern european country that has had elections for the last couple decades is part of the geopolitical west but Turkey is not then I will report them. Thank you and good day. GeorgePodros (talk) 13:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Georgepodros: First, You label as "POV" another editor's contribution and come here to post a WP:FORUM-like message without any source to support your ... POV ? Sounds like POV pushing IMO.
Second, it's better to assume WP:GF when it comes to other users' contributions. Wish you a great rest of your day.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Happy Nowruz

  Happy Nowruz
Happy Nowruz Alex-h (talk) 23:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
@Alex-h: Thanks a lot, you too! - LouisAragon (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Characene

I have taken my concerns to the Characene talk page. Would appreciate your perspective. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Achaemenid Empire Navbox

I have decided to create a navbox for Achaemenid Empire. A question: Should I add Kingdom of Pontus to "Descendants"? --Wario-Man (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Yes, definitely. Mithridatic dynasty and Kingdom of Cappadocia as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure. But my main issue is I don't know how to structure that navbox properly because unlike my previous navboxes (Parthians, Huns, Sasanians, and Safavids); there are too many Achaemenid-related articles and it's not easy to organize them into the groups of a navbox. So I may not create the navbox. Any suggestion? By the way, could you rewrite Babak Fort or add content to it? I have DePOV'ed it already but it lacks content. --Wario-Man (talk) 04:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man:
Could you make a start with this? What do you think?:
Of course, feel free to tweak/remove any of the entries (or their order). Given how large this topic is, I think we also need more templates for individual rulers (cf. Template:Cyrus the Great). - LouisAragon (talk) 13:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
As for Babak; sure, I will add it to my "to-do" list. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:49, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Helpful suggestion, thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 03:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

This one seems full of made-up numbers, stats, and sentences that not match cited sources. I found this which is courtesy of this guy that you know him. I think you better review the edited or created articles by him. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Roman–Parthian War of 58–63

Hi there. Would you create pages for battles of this war? Roman–Parthian War of 58–63 Amir El Mander (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Amir El Mander: Perhaps later - LouisAragon (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
OK. There are already good information on the main page. It's just need to be moved to new pages. Amir El Mander (talk) 13:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

@LouisAragon: thanks very much for the barnstar. I appreciate it. I'm trying to assess easy articles to help clear out the backlog. I'm also keeping an eye on talk pages that have bio tags missing living and listas parameters... --FeanorStar7 02:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@FeanorStar7: You're welcome! - LouisAragon (talk) 15:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

GA articles

Heya, do you know of any way to make a GA-nominated article get reviewed faster? If it's like Pari Khan Khanum where I had to wait almost one year only to be inactive then I'm gonna cri. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: There's a huge backlog unfortunately. Go figure; I nominated Mohammad Khan Tokhmaq Ustajlu in July 2018 :P
I believe the best thing to do is to personally ask assistance from experienced reviewers. In addition, I think both of us should get acquianted with the GA review process. At least in the long term. If we could help review other GA noms, I'm sure more people will be interested in reviewing our articles in turn as well. We don't need to throw ourselves into really obscure articles, no, but I'm sure we can help clean up the backlog in other West Asia topic areas. What do you think? Its one of the reasons why some other veteran editors manage to finish many GA's within a short period of time. They have a large group of people willing to review their articles. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
What is interesting, btw, on a side note, is that FA articles usually get reviewed really fast. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't think I'm on that level yet to be able to review other articles, but yeah as you said, let's see what happens in the long run. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Btw how did you get access to these [25] [26]? There's a cheaper way to get access I assume? --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: You get free access to both (and many other online Oxford databases) by signing up through Wiki. Here's the link.[27] - LouisAragon (talk) 11:34, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks mate. Btw, just noticed that Sasanian Empire rlly badly needs a name section that goes into the depths of the name of Iran(shahr). The article generally needs a complete revamp. EDIT; I've made a userpage article for a long-term project regarding the Sasanian Empire article [28], feel free to edit along. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Good decision! I will definitely, thanks for letting me know! - LouisAragon (talk) 12:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps we should have something like this for the Sasanian Empire as well? [29] --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Definitely. There were many individuals in the Sasanian Empire of Armenian and Iberian/Georgian descent (amongst other groups). - LouisAragon (talk) 00:10, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
It has begun [30] [31] Lots of articles to be added --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Heya, could you check if there is something missing/to be improved? [32] I'm kinda ambivalent about the background section. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Well done, those were much needed additions.
  • Could you add a reference to the etymology section? Everything that could be deemed "controversial" should be referenced accordingly with inline citations.
  • You should add that the Artaxiad dynasty, founded by Artaxias I, was the second dynasty to rule over the ancient Kingdom of Armenia. Lede and body, IMO.
  • You should add material about the Artaxiad's being the second Armenian dynasty of Iranian stock to hold sway over Armenia. Its referenceable to Nina Garsoïan/Enc. Iranica.[33]
  • Perhaps a small legacy section?
Btw, please keep half an eye on this "new" account.[34]-[35] - LouisAragon (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Uh oh [36] EDIT: Btw, you don't have happen to have a pdf file of The Sword of Persia: Nader Shah, from Tribal Warrior to Conquering Tyrant? --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Meh... I just nominated it for deletion.[37] As for Axworthy; I only have his A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind in full PDF. Lemme know if you need it. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes that would be nice. Btw, what about dis :d The Sasanian World through Georgian Eyes: Caucasia and the Iranian Commonwealth in Late Antique Georgian Literature? Also, I it says that I've got my request to access in Oxford got accepted, but how do I login and gain actual access? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Unfortunately not, but perhaps @Kober: could help you out with a copy of that book. Otherwise I'm afraid you have to consult WP:REX. They can provide many chapters/pages. As for Oxford; did you receive your usernames and passwords? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. Unfortunately, I don't have that volume at hand right now. I'll let you know as soon as (and if) I have access to it. --KoberTalk 06:24, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

[38] It's been growing quite fast recently :o --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: It sure has. High five bruv. - LouisAragon (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey got any source(s) that support the creation of several early modern Iranian civil war articles? From my knowledge there was one after the death of Nader Shah, Karim Khan Zand, and perhaps during the reign of Sultan Husayn? --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:23, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: Damn, sorry for the late response mate. As for the Safavids, these come to mind:
  • Michael Axworthy's, Sword of Persia
  • Laurence Lockharts, The Fall of the Safavī Dynasty and the Afghan Occupation of Persia
  • Cambridge History Iran: The Timurid and Safavid periods
  • David Blow's, Shah Abbas: The Ruthless King Who Became an Iranian Legend
  • Andrew J. Newman's, Safavid Iran: Rebirth of a Persian Empire
  • Rudi Matthee, Persia in Crisis: Safavid Decline and the Fall of Isfahan
For the Zands:
  • John Perry, Karim Khan Zand
  • Cambridge History of Iran: From Nadir Shah to the Islamic Republic
Nader Shah should be coverable through the same sources. I realize you're probably hinting on specific journals/reference works, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything. Btw there was also an important civil war which commenced upon Tahmasp I's death and only ended in the early years of Shah Abbas the Great (c. 1576-1590). IMO this particular event also definitely merits a Wiki article. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Here we go again [39] --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Yes, obvious sockpuppet. Gimme a sec. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran: [40] - LouisAragon (talk) 22:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Lel - btw, you might find this interesting in case you haven't seen it [41] --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Epiphanius

Hey LouisAragon. I noticed that you asked who is Epiphanius. So I thought I can answer this. Iranica's author seems to have misread his original source. He uses the article Kappadokischer Kal by Ginzel from the Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft (Pauly-Wissowa. X 2 1919, page 1917). The page from the oiginal source can be seen here. Iranica have: "from the time of King Archelaos (34 B.C.-A.D. 17) until that of King Epiphanios", but the original source does not mention Epiphanios as king. Since Mary Boyce refers to the same "Epiphanius" as being "Basil's correspondent", then this leaves one option: Epiphanius of Salamis and Basil of Ancyra. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@Attar-Aram syria: You're a gem! Thanks a lot! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

My sincerest thanks!

Thank you LouisAragon!! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: You're very welcome! - LouisAragon (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, thank you for the message you left on my page. I appreciate it, interestingly enough I believe the same thing you mentioned but I didn't write it so that some people wouldn't get "offended". Especially since a large majority of the vandalism on this page comes from the "Azeris" of the the Republic of "Azerbaijan" and I didn't want the change to be removed or flagged etc. Anyways, thank you for the message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migboy123 (talkcontribs) 13:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Migboy123: When did Alans assimilate Caucasian Albanians? I'm afraid that's an incorrect statement. @Wario-Man: Your thoughts about these changes?[42] I believe these changes, though well intentioned, introduced some WP:UNDUE and WP:VER issues amongst others. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: I made it clear that Iranian tribes assimilated Caucasian Albanians and gave the example being the Alans, that doesn't mean that the Alans were the sole Iranian tribe there or the main one in the assimilation process but I wrote the Alans as they are overshadowed by the two main Iranians tribes in that region which were the Medians and Pars. The Alans had significant contact with Caucasian Albanians through their raids and trade with them, they migrated Westward into the Pontic Steppe and the area that was Caucasian Albania and also today's Ossetian language is the descendant of the language of the Alans. They aren't responsible for the complete assimilation of Caucasian Albania but rather what exists today as the Ossetian people.

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Circassian exonym

Interesting add -- I had always wondered about Cherkasy in Ukraine. But I think it's missing something -- the role of the Genoese in popularizing the term in the West in the 16th century (before your sources say it became a Russian thing), hence why we speak of Circassians not Chercassians in English (a spelling pronunciation). Wiki currently already has these sources on the issue presented here but the issue is that they are outdated, so if you encountered newer iterations of this info being published that would be very useful to add. Cheers! --Calthinus (talk) 15:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hey, thanks for your message. Long time no speak, how are you doing? Yeah, it was not a "full" article overhaul, so I definitely plan on expanding later on. The Encyclopedia of Islam, Encyclopedia Islamica and Encyclopedia Iranica should be, in addition to some handbooks/books, more than enough to make these articles "shine bright like a diamond". - LouisAragon (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Sadly, I'm too busy nowadays to join you, but thanks for your current and future work. Happy editing :)--Calthinus (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Safavid occupation of Basra (1697–1701)

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Gonbad-e Qabus (tower)

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Gonbad-e Qabus (tower) has been completed.

There is a one meter discrepancy in the height of the tower given in the lede and in the body of the text - not sure why since it appears Blair is the source for both? As well, Blair says the "interior" diameter is 9.67m. Later this sentence appears: "Taking its conical roof into account, the tower measures c. 52 metres (171 feet) above ground; this is three times its diameter." Clearly the height is more than three times the diameter. Is it possible this should read its "exterior" diameter? Math is not my strong suit, but something seems off with these numbers.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: No, I think you're spot on and you're giving yourself too little credit. ;-) It seems Iranica / Blair made a small error, but I'm not entirely sure how to interpret it. The c. 61 meters is sourced to Grabar (Cambridge History of Iran). Is there anything I should change or remove, in your opinion as an uninvolved editor, to make the text look more appropriate? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: I would suggest you settle on one height for the article but add a footnote to indicate the other height and its source. All that's left then is the diameter issue and fixing whatever the correct ratio is. 14:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, adjusted it! - LouisAragon (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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DerekHistorian

It appears we have a "new editor" that likes to add unsourced information(Turkic/Turkish pov) to referenced sentences and outright unsourced comments to an article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:27, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Yeah I've seen him before. Many WP:TENDENTIOUS edits on his curriculum vitae. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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Bactria and Tajiks

Compare [43][44][45][46] with [[47][48]. Seems he uses a registered account because Tajiks are semi-protected but prefers anonymous editing and IP-hopping on Bactria. A newbie or an old sockmaster? --Wario-Man (talk) 06:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Yeah the IP's are definitely operated by Decorationsathome. IMO, looking at the editing style, its a new user. Lets give it some more WP:ROPE. In any case; all of his edits have been WP:TENDENTIOUS so far. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
He could be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mujhideen101. He uses same edit summaries. See your own last report and compare with the above diffs. --Wario-Man (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: [49] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:21, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Cappadocian calendar

@Baffle gab1978: Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 17:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
No worries; best of luck with your GA nom. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Are these two users same person?

How this new user found this draft of another user? FYI, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Turkic_people_of_Iran, the original creator (blocked) User:Matreeks and his sockpuppet that participated in AfD. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Your thoughts on these edits

Why I ask this? Because all of their edits on Indo-European articles has been reverted by other editors. Seems that user inserts misrepresented and pov content. See [55] vs [56], [57], [58], [59] vs [60], [61], and many other examples in his contributions. Even you reverted some of their edits: [62], [63]. Your thoughts? --Wario-Man (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Yeah he's been very disruptive so far. IMO, this should be ANI'd, unless we can find out who's sock/meatpuppet it is. In his 10th edit, he already knew how to cite sources perfectly.[64] Peculiar to say the least. No joke; IMO, some 50% of all accounts and IPs on Wikipedia are sockpuppets or meatpuppets of some sort. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Would you review their edits? Because their recent edits remind me of Tirgil34. --Wario-Man (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: I'm not that well versed with the sockmaster, plus I already have enough to do, sorry. If you're confident its him, just take the shot. I can always review/assist later. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Another Mujhideen101's sockpuppet?

See Special:Contributions/Otto_Lichius and his talk page. Similar rants and nonsense. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: Actually, I'm leaning more towards this indeffed account; Special:Contributions/Farhadus. Check his talk page for example;[65] Uncanny resemblance IMO. Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Seems they are same person. Similar edit pattern, nationalistic ranting, and writing style. Currently he just spams talk pages. --Wario-Man (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: [66] Feel free to expand on it if you think I missed something. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

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Battle of Cape Ecnomus

Hi Louis. Thanks for you contributions to the ACR of this. At the risk of pushing my luck, what I would find useful is your views on things like:

  • General readability and flow.
  • Is there too much jargon or bits that would only make sense to a specialist? (No need to give examples.)
  • Is there too much (unnecessary) detail or background information? (No need to give examples.)
  • Does the article leave you with any unanswered questions.
  • Anything else along those lines that springs to mind.

Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Hey Gog, thank you for your message. Yeah I wasn't done yet with my review, but thats mostly because I was unable to find any actual flaws. I read the article from start to end, and I'm glad to tell that it passes on every point. Hope I didn't waste too much of your time with those minor points. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Louis. The thorough go through is much appreciated. And picking up flaws, however minor, is never a waste of time, neither yours nor mine. The article is the better for it. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Care to give your thoughts?

User:Kansas Bear/Battle of Mursa Major --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: IMO, this section should be written in past tense like the rest of the article.[67] Also, now that we actually have sourced numbers, I guess you can remove "Very large number of deaths" from the infobox. Other than that, good to go! - LouisAragon (talk) 13:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this source of interest?

Hi Louis. I have come across a pdf of a new paper called: Diffusion of military knowledge in the 17th century Ottoman Empire: the case of Esiri Hasan Aga’s “Advices to Commanders and Soldiers” by Georgios Theotokis in War and Conflict in the Mediterranean. If a copy would be of interest to you I could email you one. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: That sounds like an interesting title. Yes I'd definitely be interested. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 16:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: Sent you an email. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Louis, I have not received it. Did you get the PDF? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: Yup I did, thank you very much! - LouisAragon (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Full citation needed

Hi Louis, in this edit you added a reference to a source made by a certatin Kohn in 2007 (maybe this?); however, it seems you forgot to add the entire source. If you remember it (it was all the way back in 2014), could you add it? Best wishes, —Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 14:21, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Biscuit-in-Chief: Hi. Unfortunately, I can't recall. Anyways the article needs a full rewrite, so it doesn't really matter. What I can say for certain is that it was not this PubMed source.[68] - LouisAragon (talk) 14:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, good luck with the rewrite. And thanks for the articles—especially Teresa Sampsonia; it's very well-written ;-). —Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 14:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate it. ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
No problem. However, time for some constructive criticism: I suggest you use {{Sfnm}} when doing stuff like this ref – it automatically bundles the ref if you do it again. —Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 20:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
And if you ever need something from me (Wikipedia-related, of course...I can't give you my house, I'm afraid) just ask ;-) —Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 20:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Content forking?

Just found this. It's orphan. If it's not content forking, then use its wikilink on related articles. --Wario-Man (talk) 11:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: I don't believe its a fork. Thanks for the heads up. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Mirza Fatali Akhundzade

Hello, I would just like to address the recent edit you made on the article about Mirza Fatali Akhundzade. No matter what the sources refer to him, he self-identified as "belonging to the nation of Iran and to the Iranian homeland", therefore an Iranian. So why does his identity need to be changed? Isn't it apart of Wikipedia's rules on biographies that you have to write what a person, himself/herself, identified as? The land of Arran where he lived on, although he was not originally from there, hadn't yet adopted the name "Azerbaijan". So how can he be "Azerbaijani"? Also, the sources cited, although Cambridge University Press is considered a reliable source, were all written after the region of Arran adopted the name "Azerbaijan". There are no sources prior to the name adoption which called him "Azerbaijani". I have read plenty of articles which refer to people like Muhammad as "Saudi Arabian", Babak Khorramdin as "Azerbaijani" and other figures throughout history having their identities changed by people today because they once lived on a land which nowadays is ruled by a different political system or a new nation/peoples. Akhundzade personally identified as Iranian, as I highlighted, so why must he be remembered as Azerbaijani.

There is also no sources to back up the section on Alphabet reform. So how do we know it's true? Migboy123 (talk) 06:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Migboy123: I know you try to act out of good faith, but I really suggest you stop removing WP:RS information from the article. Actually, you've already violated WP:WAR. Look, the entire article needs to be rewritten to show who he actually was and what he actually did. Its not about being "Iranian" or "Azerbaijani"; its about his legacy as an important figure in Iranian history and in the history of the Azerbaijan Republic, a state created long after his death. The "Alphabet Reform" section is another problematic part of this article as its uncompletely unsourced. I might rewrite the article myself in the future. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh and btw; I know it can really look weird at times, but WP:RS do show the appearance of ethnic Azerbaijanis from the area to the north of the Aras River in the 19th century. Yes I'm talking about ethnic Azerbaijanis from cities like Shusha in the 1860s (for example), decades prior to the establishment Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. It does look really weird at times, but hey, we can only write what RS sources tell. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@LouisAragon:I completely understand your point but from what I've read about Mirza Fatali Akhundzade, he identified as Iranian and from my understanding, according to Wikipedia's rules you must reference someone according to what they identified as, regardless of the amount of sources. Also, one problematic thing is the interpretation of the Encyclopedia Iranica reference, because as you may know, it considers Azerbaijanis to be of the Iranian peoples due to their cultural, historical and genetic ties and irregardless of the adopted Turkic language which classifies them as Turkic. Some of the sources included are also from Russian authors which could point to the whole idea of "nation building" which the Russians tried to do. My only problem with the article is the dispute over his identity/nationality. Thanks Migboy123 (talk) 03:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
LouisAragon On Abutalub's talk page he told me that: "Are there any reliable references that say that he is Iranian poet? If not, then don't change article." I found two sources from Chicago and Columbia university stating he is Iranian, mind you this took about a week to find, and he still keeps on reverting article. Also, Akhundzade identified as Iranian, so under this prextext alone why shouldn't his nationality be changed? For example, T\there's plenty of Turkish Kurds, such as Abdullah Ocalan, which identify as only Kurds which have their article pages calling them Kurds. KhakePakeVatan (talk) 00:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@KhakePakeVatan: I replied on the talk page. I was initially against the inclusion in such format (once of the reasons why I opted for a full rewrite) but the RS do show that the was Iranian as as well in addition to Azerbaijani. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

People Groups

Do you think „People Groups“ is a reliable source?[69] Regards Nathan Annick (talk) 00:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Nathan Annick: Hey. Unfortunately not. Its another Christian advocacy group similar to JoshuaProject.[70] - LouisAragon (talk) 00:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
But this source is used in many infoboxes. Should we empty all infoboxes that have this source? You answered me quite late, so I had already used the source. Nathan Annick (talk) 00:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Nathan Annick: Yeah every now and then brand new accounts and IPs add that stuff to articles, but it shouldn't be there. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
The link for these two pages should be added to the Wikipedia:Spam blacklist. Nathan Annick (talk) 00:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the notification and the feedback of my contributions. Nathan Annick (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome! - LouisAragon (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

A long dispute needs your attention

A user Kautilya3 has been removing a section and tagging it to be non-neutral and non-scholarly in the article: Muhammad bin Qasim. In the talk page of this article, there is a long discussion about the edit dispute under "Muhammad bin Qasim and the cursing of Ali". I have provided references to early scholarly sources as well as modern scholarship. I have improved the text to end the dispute but they want me to remove facts and follow their speculations. They continue to push for removal of details. This person and their friend has also been passing threats on my Talk page to ban me.

Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

The Poison King: The Life and Legend of Mithradates, Rome's Deadliest Enemy

Heya, you don't happen to know a way to get "The Poison King: The Life and Legend of Mithradates, Rome's Deadliest Enemy" for free? I would buy it from Amazon, but the Amazon book/kindle system and its restrictions (u cant see the pages of the book) is stupid. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Unfortunately not :/ I think the only option is playing gamble and buying the whole book. Google.books does allow me to see a few pages (incl. page numbers), but it doesn't show the content of the pages properly. Wiki doesn't offer Princeton University Press subscriptions either so we can forget about that as well. I know I'm sounding like Captain Obvious, but if the book doesn't turn out what you're looking for, you can always ask for a refund. The refund service of Amazon is pretty convenient. Fortunately the title is not that expensive. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ariarathes I of Cappadocia

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Istakhr

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Istakhr has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

We got off on the wrong foot.

I appreciate the warning and apologize if i have been harsh or brash in the past. However, I do not understand why you guys are accusing me for edit warring when I am just adding Hazaras to the group of Iranian speakers and the citations already provided evidence and I have been providing replies to where people are incorrect and there still isn't anyone addressing my point. Thank you anyways though. Foxhound03 (talk) 09:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Article on Iranian war hero

Hello LouisAragon, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping me out. I have a family member which served in the Iraq-Iran War and although there is not much information about his life on the internet, apart from what he did in the war, I have information about him. I would like to write an article about him but due to only having one source, and that's only about his actions in the war, what should and can I do? KhakePakeVatan (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Teresa Sampsonia's name

Goedenavond, Louis. I nominated Teresa Sampsonia (which I have translated from here) for GA on da.wiki, but a user is confused about when she was called what. Since I've just translated the article the article as best as I could, the same issue is probably on en.wiki. He (in Danish) wrote the following:

I do not think an article can be a GA when it does not clearly state what the main subject was named when. Was Sampsonia her only name until she got married? Is "Lady Shirley" a title or a name? Was she even ever called "Teresa Sampsonia"? (She first got the name Teresa at the Catholic baptism in connection with the wedding where she might at the same time lost the name Sampsonia as I understand it). According to the article, she arrived in Rome in 1634 and died in 1668. So she didn't live in Rome for 40 years. She bought a house next to a church. Was it Santa Maria della Scala, where Robert was buried?

BTW, I have absolutely no idea about how to translate the sentence in parantheses, as I couldn't really understand it. —Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 21:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

He later clarified what he meant in the parentheses:

1) As I understand it, she got her baptismal name, Teresa, from the Carmelites when she was baptised. 2) The Catholic baptism happened in together with the wedding. 3) After the wedding she was named "Lady Shirley" (unless it is a title without it being stated), and perhaps still the new baptismal name Teresa—but certainly not Sampsonia anymore. 4) I conclude that she was never called "Teresa Sampsonia", despite it being the title of the article

—Biscuit-in-Chief :-) (TalkContribs) 21:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)