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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:UK MPs 2015–20 stubs

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Hibernian FC

Hi there,

Please pardon me but can I ask what your issue is please? Numerous constructive edits have been made to which your response seems to be just to back it all out. The edits I made consistently add improved:-

• structure
• sequencing
• content and detail

If you have any specific issues with anything could you please either:-

• endeavour to improve them further

or

• be specific with what the concerns are that you feel are there

repeatedly just backing out other people's efforts is not constructive, it's vandalism

Hi again,

Just for info to try to be transparent; I'm going to try to request someone else's opinion in this for a calm view on. I don't suggest for a moment that my edits are perfect (nothing else in my life is perfect so I don't expect my edits to be). They were though all intended constructively. Just having them blanket thrown out with minimal (near zero) constructive explanation of why the edits should be completely undone feels a bit like poor form. I hope you can look on third party involvement as constructive.

Hi again,

Thanks for these replies re Hibs:-

The problems with the edits

1. "this was the last time Hibernian threatened to win a tournament until Turnbull became manager in the early 1970s." -- not true, they seriously challenged for both the league and cup in 1964/65, falling away after Jock Stein moved to Celtic.
2. "the Scottish Football Association (SFA) put forward Hibs forward to participate in the first season of the European Cup. Harry Swan was Hibs chairman and part way through his presidency of the SFA. Hibs were put forward ahead of champions, Aberdeen, and third placed Rangers who had floodlights." -- That might be Aberdeen's suspicion. Stick to the facts (which are already presented).
3. "Lawrie Reilly was forced into early retirement in 1958. After four years at Manchester City, Johnstone returned for two seasons in 1959 but did not make the impact he had before. Turnbull retired from playing in 1959 and the same year Smith left for Hearts after paying for surgery himself to address an injury. In his first season at Hearts he won both the Scottish League and Scottish League Cup. He was also a future Scottish league winner with Dundee. Willie Ormond stayed at Hibs until 1961 when he moved on to Falkirk." -- excessive detail, the article already mentions that the Famous Five had been broken up by the sale of Johnstone in 1955.
4. Joe Baker might be worth mentioning (including his selection for England while playing for Hibs), but his goals record with Arsenal is irrelevant.

Hope this helps. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

To reply to these individually:-

a) "this was the last time Hibernian threatened to win a tournament until Turnbull became manager in the early 1970s." -- not true, they seriously challenged for both the league and cup in 1964/65, falling away after Jock Stein moved to Celtic.

Please pardon my innocence; if that was the case then why couldn't you have improved the article by adding that correction?

b) "the Scottish Football Association (SFA) put forward Hibs forward to participate in the first season of the European Cup. Harry Swan was Hibs chairman and part way through his presidency of the SFA. Hibs were put forward ahead of champions, Aberdeen, and third placed Rangers who had floodlights." -- That might be Aberdeen's suspicion. Stick to the facts (which are already presented)."

Again please pardon me. The facts include that Harry Swan was Hibs Chairman and also President of the SFA at the time (I believe from 1954 to 1956). The facts also include that Rangers finished above Hibs and already had floodlights fully operational at Ibrox. If you take a look at this for example you get an idea of his assertive and influential a personality Harry Swan was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOfiYuChD4Q

As for the facts already being presented, not when I look. When I look at the reference provided in the Hibs article, when I try to load it I am just taken to the sport home page on The Times website https://www.thetimes.co.uk/#section-sport . It doesn't take me to an article with the title that is supposed to be the source. Nor does it take me to a page with info backing up the assertions made in the article.

c) Going back to this point again, "Stick to the facts (which are already presented)." If I may politely say so, that isn't a constructive statement. Anybody could try to justify a position with a statement like that. Constructive critique is healthy and that includes a questioning attitude to see if what is already listed somewhere stands up to examination when additional info is presented.

d) "excessive detail, the article already mentions that the Famous Five had been broken up by the sale of Johnstone in 1955."

"Excessive detail" is a matter of opinion. Since the subsection is titled "The Famous Five (1939–1959)" then detail on the actual five would seem pertinent. Also info on the break up of the five would balance the considerable info on the five coming together.

e) "Joe Baker might be worth mentioning (including his selection for England while playing for Hibs), but his goals record with Arsenal is irrelevant."

Then why not include the useful info rather than taking a sledge hammer to all of the edits? Also Baker's goals record for Arsenal is relevant to the distinction he has of being the 1st person to score 100 league goals in both Scotland and England. This is worthy of mention on the Hibs page since it was his goals at Hibs that gave him that achievement.

To add to this; there is much that is wrong with that article in it's current format. The sub-section names for example are terrible (e.g. "The Famous Five (1939–1959)" is used to cover a 20 year period when the five only played together for 5 and 1/2 seasons. "Turnbull's Tornadoes (1960–1989)" covers a 29 year period yet Turnbull was manager for less than 10 and Turnbull's teams were only a side of note for half that period. There are numerous other constructive pieces of info that were added that have been removed without consideration. As mentioned above I don't for a moment suggest my edits are perfect and can't be improved upon. There was one point at which you provided a re-write and that was much more constructive and collaborative than just undoing things. However since you obviously feel the page is now in some sort of optimal state then it can stay as it is. There's better things to do in life than try to be constructive just for someone else to rip it apart. All the best for the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.148.157 (talk) 06:26, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Scottish Football Clubs List

I would just like to say thanks for updating this page earlier on. I'm sorry that I was jumping the gun, so to speak.Rusty1111 : Talk 18:45, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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Unionism in Scotland

Offer "I will forget all of the above unpleasantness if you could make some suggestions as to what you would like to include in the article. The whole thing needs a fundamental rewrite - it jumps about with no consistent narrative. I think it could be reorganised into something like a bigger history section (integrating text about devolution and the indyref(s)), then talk about the organisations for and against, and then the current political position (most recent elections)."

Yes I think that could work. Some general things I would like to include in the article would be:

Status of the term (including links to monarchy?)

History

Scotland before the union (perhaps mentioning the partition of Ulster)

1707 Acts of Union (perhaps mentioning rise of unionist sentiment through empire and church?)

1800 Acts of Union (perhaps mentioning Ross of unionist sentiment through the Irish migration to Scotland following the potato famine?)

Scottish devolution (perhaps mentioning decline of unionist sentiment in Scotland through de-industrialisation and collapse of empire and religion?)

2011 Scottish Parliament election (brief summary of SNP achieving majority government allowing for referendum)

2014 independence referendum (brief summary with results table included?)

Demographics

British national identity (brief section on British identity through time using census data?)

Religion (ties to Protestantism and North Ireland?)

Recent elections (basic vote/seat summaries of most recent election results in Scotland, perhaps with maps?)

Unionist organisations

Political parties (mention of different dynamic between more federalist Labour and Lib Dems and more centralised Conservatives)

Orange Order

Just a quick list as I don't have access to a PC right now, I would be prepared to contribute to a major rewrite of the article though. Brythones (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Niall McGinn and Niall Quinn

I have a question. What is the Niall Pronunciation of these players? /ˈniː.əl/ or /naɪl/ Footwiks (talk) 09:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Footwiks: The first of those. The only famous person I can think of who uses a different type of pronunciation is Niall Ferguson (he says his name more like "kneel"). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks but I have more question. So You mean, these footballer's pronunciation is /naɪl/? I checked out Niall, This article said /ˈniː.əl/ is general, sometimes /naɪl/. Do this article have wrong information? In Football Match Broadcasting, These players's Name Pronunciation like Nile?Footwiks (talk)

@Footwiks: Yes, it is similar to the river. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Terrible Trio

Heh, at first I thought it was maybe a bit harsh of you to blanket-revert the "incomplete history of Hearts" updates on those articles, since the writing was decent with a decent amount of (bare) referencing, but I now see that 'another' IP had tried to add even more 6 months earlier and been politely declined by you then too! So it looks like that lot in July was the short versions!

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Are you the editor of the Rangers FC page? If you are, I want to talk to you. I'm new so sorry if this is not the correct way to contact you.

Nathanrobert86 (talk) 03:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)Nathanrobert86

Thanks for the reply. I don't know if this is the place to respond, but my question is about the content of the 2012 financial meltdown sub-article. I saw you in the edit logs quite often, so I thought you might be the administrator or editor. I think the content in a couple of sections needs to be edited; I would like bring it up with the administrators of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanrobert86 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hi there, Jmorrison230582. I appreciate Wikipedia's deletion policy and that technically, Conor Hazard does not satisfy the criteria yet. That said, even though he hasn't played a competitive first-team game, he has played international football at youth level and is considered a first-team player by Celtic (http://www.celticfc.net/team). It might be worth holding off deleting the page until his role at Falkirk has been established (http://www.celticfc.net/news/13871), as he may well make his first-team debut in the coming weeks. Celticbhoy97 (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

That's fair enough. Celticbhoy97 (talk) 18:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Bobby Collins

Hi,

I would like to say sorry about the Bobby Collins page.

I added, the trivia fact about his mention in Still Game for added fun trivia. I should have,

1. Been less biased (the use of the word, "Infamous" to describe Leeds United of that Era.

2. Added link to back up, trivia fact.

3. Or, not put it, at all, since it is only trivia and helps no-one.

Anyway, thanks for the correction.

All the best.

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