User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2010/October

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You left me a message but no reference as to what you were referring. Please specify. I believe I simply deleted something that was not properly cited. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.8.59 (talk) 08:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe it was in reference to this edit. Why did you remove over 32,000 bytes without explanation in this edit?   — Jeff G.  ツ 09:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure about the 32,000 bytes but we have multiple users coming from this IP address. In the edit I was asking about I added the line "in the treatment of autism" as the article the passage cites states this. It does not say the previously mentioned treatments were not efficacious for Leaky Gut. This is an important distinction. The question is why did you ask that I cite a reference when it is already there? Very strange. Perhaps you are overworked; I will give you the benefit of the doubt as otherwise it is somewhat sloppy editing. Sorry I can't answer about the 32,000 bytes issue but there is someone who uses this who performs acupuncture. There are many of us here. Fortunately, I was the one who asked the original question. What is your line of work, may I ask, that gives you the authority or allows you to edit this without anyone else's consent prior to the act of you editing someone's specific post? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.8.59 (talk) 02:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I have had many lines of work (see also my user page and this previous discussion). My line of work here is that of regular editor, with additional bits autopatrolled, reviewer, rollbacker. I suggest that each of you in that residence get your own account, to avoid being lumped together and treated as one. Also, you seem to imply that you consider additions you make in mainspace to be yours, so please see WP:OWN.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for the info. With regard to your edit on the Leaky Gut page, the edit you made on my edit made no sense. In the Treatment section of the Leaky Gut page it refers to several treatments and then goes on and says they are cumbersome and not efficacious. Obviously, it appears to reference Leaky Gut but the citation that it is taken from refers to an article about Autism not being cured by these treatments. This is very misleading and should be corrected. If stuff like this continues, Wikipedia will lose credibility. As far as me feeling like I am implying I am the owner, that is not so but I did make a legitimate change and as of yet you have not offered any logical response as to why it was not honored. Again, obviously, this looks very suspicious and implies a covert motive in your editing process. Some might wonder if you have a bias of some sort. Just sayin' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.8.59 (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

What I'm reading between the lines is that you feel the article 'Johnson TW (2006). "Dietary considerations in autism: identifying a reasonable approach". Top Clin Nutr. 21 (3): 212–25.' should not be used as a source for this article on Leaky gut syndrome, or perhaps that it should only be used with reference to autism? If the former is the case, would it make sense to take out the entire Leaky gut syndrome#Treatment section as being unreferenced? Note, I haven't read either article in full, I doubt I have leaky gut syndrome, I seriously doubt there is a cure for autism, and I am biased towards Wikipedia articles only having verifiable information from reliable sources. If you have such sources which state that any of the alleged treatments are "efficacious", "not cumbersome", or both, please present them.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I have found the journal article in HTML format and in PDF format.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

About vandalism

If a user of IP Address replaces content with whatever they put on any page including talk pages and user pages, is that edit still vandalism? Wayne Olajuwon chat 19:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It depends on the content.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Wayne Olajuwon chat 20:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: Your signature

Hi! I'd like to point out that your signature probably should point directly to this page, not User:Jeff G./talk. HeyMid (contributions) 21:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

It did originally. The way I have had it for exactly three years, in use since 1 October 2007[1] and documented since 21 November 2007[2], I am better able to determine the difference between Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Jeff G./talk (where I've posted) and Special:Whatlinkshere/User talk:Jeff G. (where I've been discussed).   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's an interesting idea. —Soap— 12:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, WP:TPS!  :)   — Jeff G.  ツ 19:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Aha, I now think I understand why you link to a sub-page... is it because you don't want your signature to be black at this page? You always want them blue? HeyMid (contributions) 07:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, blue or purple for me with consistent width in a default color scheme, but I didn't want to be so arrogant as to force them to be blue or purple for everyone (some might have blue or purple backgrounds), and I couldn't figure out how to undo the bolding only on this page.   — Jeff G.  ツ 11:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Reverting edits

When I try to revert an edit on Huggle because a user removed a speedy deletion template on a page he or she created, it doesn't let me revert the edit(s) instead it says "tag for speedy deletion" instead. Wayne Olajuwon chat 23:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The answer is "No", I do not want to tag for speedy deletion instead, I just want to revert the removal of the speedy tag, thank you very much. In this case, Huggle is being overly cautious/helpful.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay, and if a user or IP Address vandalizes my talk page, will you please revert it? Wayne Olajuwon chat 19:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure, if it hasn't already been reverted.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Wayne Olajuwon chat 19:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia NYC Meetup Sat Oct 16

New York City Meetup Next: Saturday October 16th, Jefferson Market Library in Lower Manhattan Last: 05/22/2010

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Talkback

Hello, Jeff G.. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism.
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Disambiguation pages

You recently extensively edited the page Still (disambiguation) (diff), I would like to ask that you, before editing any more dab pages, familiarize yourself with the Manual of Style for disambiguation pages. I would point out two things in particular: 1) Entries on dab pages should be limited to items that are actually ambiguous--that is, those things that could be called by the same name as the ambiguous term. Partial-title matches (such as Still Standing and And Still) should not be included. 2) Descriptions, if needed at all, should be kept to a minimum--just enough to identify the topic. Dab pages are navigation pages; they are layovers on a user's path to actual articles, and the less time a user has to spend on a dab page, the better. A bullet-point version of dab-page style can be found at WP:DDD. Regards, --ShelfSkewed Talk 21:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

That edit was made using dabfix, a tool created by Dispenser, who is invited to comment on the above. I did not alter the descriptions (taken from the articles themselves), but I did a lot of work sorting all the articles newly mentioned on that page, and added Sill and "and compact discs".   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That's an interesting tool, and I just used it to find several more entries for the surname section. But I think it does require some selectivity in the use of its results. It is great for making copious and thorough suggestions, in other words, but it is not much good at deciding which of its suggestions are actually useful, and its automatic features should not be used as a substitute for some knowledge of dab-page conventions. Regarding the addition of "and compact discs": An album is a format that may be produced in many types of media, including vinyl LPs, CDs, cassettes, 8-tracks, etc. Album covers them all.--ShelfSkewed Talk 04:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that information. I guess my dated POV (having grown up with "album" meaning 33⅓-RPM LP vinyl microgroove gramophone record) was showing.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Historically, that's modern: they used to be a book of sleeves to hold a set of 45s.—Kww(talk) 05:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The intended use is providing a good starting point for adding and fixing disambiguation pages. To make things even easier I include WikEd for its syntax highlighting and quick preview. Ten minutes with the tool and I can do the work that otherwise takes an hour to do. However, ten minutes is too much effort for some. So, I've include "lazy" buttons to: remove unmodified automatic descriptions and remove the new links sections. — Dispenser 04:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all, I'll try to minimize the descriptions and use {{lookfrom}} and {{intitle}}. And Kww, I had to walk to and from work, over a mile each way, partially uphill each way, as recently as two years ago.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: CBST

Hello Jeff G.. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of CBST, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Does not rely on a page that does not exist. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The page did not exist at the time.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

I do not appreciate being accused of vandalism. I have corrected an error in the article in question, and yet you keep changing it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.227.126 (talk) 03:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Stop removing referenced information in favor of your original research.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Cambodian singers

The article name is self-explanitory. It said List of Cambodian singers. I'm trying to do like other lists. That is too much for a list.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 15:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Please stop destroying it, or list it at WP:AFD.   — Jeff G.  ツ 15:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not destroying it, and I won't list at WP:AFD. Boing! said Zebedee does not allow me to do this.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have sought protection for it at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#List_of_Cambodian_singers_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29.   — Jeff G.  ツ 15:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Why? Then it's not a "list" anymore. Look at other list of people. There is too much information.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You can see List of Afghan singers and List of Mexican singers. It doesn't have comments and years active. Otherwise rename this article. It's not a list.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Boing! said Zebedee made it a structured list, organized chronologically. See WP:LISTPURP for details. I think that is better than sorting by last name or first name, and much better than the original disorganized list. Do you have a suggestion for a better method of organizing it?   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't care on sorting so much. But it's currently messed up, when compare the "Before the Khmer Rouge" and "After the Khmer Rouge", is different. Before the Khmer Rouge seems to be a big table with comments, etc, but After seems to have only name and years. Can you make both of them the same? Can be anything. Also please have "Record label" in the table. It's the important part for singer list. More important than years active.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops, it's already been to AFD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cambodian singers.   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Yes, it's been to AfD once (in its original form it was full of unsourced non-notable stuff), but survived after being drastically pruned, Our 125.25 friend, however, decided the consensus was wrong and wanted to immediately relist it for deletion again. This person is one of a small number who have been behaving tendentiously for quite some time, refusing to accept anything they are told regarding policy etc, and have regularly been making unsourced (and often nonsensical) changes. There are probably 3 or 4 of them, at least two of whom are children, and they refuse to register accounts and seem to get upset when the rest of us can't tell them apart. As for the article, I think the chronological format (which is how it was originally - I tidied it up a bit) makes sense because of the destruction of Cambodian culture during the Khmer Rouge years and its reconstruction afterwards, and I'd suggest that if anyone wants to alter the format they should get a consensus in their favor on the article's Talk page first. I also favor leaving it semi-protected - they can add requests for changes, with sources, on the Talk page. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree. This discussion is closed, in favor of Talk:List of Cambodian singers.   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

There's 5 editors now as I have seen.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You are no longer welcome in this discussion as an IP Address. I strongly urge you to create an account for yourself.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Not so long after this now, even I don't see the ETA for going back the the United States. I suggest two ways for now

1.Unprotect the article for 1 hour and let me do it

2.Do it yourself

I want you to add these

• Add some colors to the table
• Make table for post-KR
• Add "record label" to each table each singer. Click to the article if you want to know what label are they in.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 17:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

See what you can do with List of Cambodian singers/draft, perhaps incorporating some of the previous work listed here.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

AFD list

Please list List of Cambodian singers at WP:AFD.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I did between 15:43 and 15:53, that's why I requested semi-protection rather than relisting at WP:AFD.   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Joe Inman

Thanks for this - it was careless of me not to notice that two IPs were tag-teaming. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for blocking the offenders. Huggle alerted me to the similarity of addresses, and the clincher was a claim of "eldest of six hundred children".  :)   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Bj Novak

Bj Novak's name is Scrodo Saggins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.2.167.126 (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Please include verifiable references from reliable sources.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Beaten to vandalism

Some users just keep beating me to vandalism on Huggle too many times. Why does this keep happening? Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I read somewhere that fighting vandalism on Wikipedia is not a First-person shooter game. Try giving some barnstars to those who are beating you, or taking a break until RL calls them away. Also, at some instants, there will not be enough vandalism or vandals to go around - in those instants, the vandals have lost.   — Jeff G.  ツ 23:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That is called a block, and Huggle keeps giving me this warning saying this: Huggle has encountered a problem a needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. a few times today. Why is that happening? Also why does Wikipedia automatically keeps logging me out and I end up accidentally editing with my IP Address? Wayne Olajuwon chat 23:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by "That is called a block"? Have you tried restarting Windows or your PC? Also, are you using anything that would keep Wikipedia's cookie from staying on your PC for the right amount of time?   — Jeff G.  ツ 23:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I mean it's called a block because the vandals have lost. I just exit out from Huggle and then reopen it. No because I'm not an adminstrator on my PC. I also use Huggle for most of the day (or after school on the days I have school). Wayne Olajuwon chat 00:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Cool. What are you studying?   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm learning Algebra I, Strategic Reading, U.S. History, and video class in BRAVO which is the Academy of Communication Arts and Services. Wayne Olajuwon chat 21:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick question

I've recently been in conversation with another editor who recently underwent a username change (his third) and has been waiting for nearly a month for his ~4k contributions to catch up with him. I thought you might know where i could direct him fir assistance from higher-ups. Cheers, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest commenting on bugzilla:17313, resurrecting Wikipedia talk:Changing username/Archive 3#Stalled_renames, or both.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll pass the suggestions along. Much obliged. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope there isn't a two rename maximum.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm starting to get really worried. No replies on Bugzilla, and I still don't have any of the edits I made before the username change. - Zhou Yu (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear that. I have revived section Wikipedia talk:Changing username#Stalled_renames and made another comment at Bugzilla.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much -- they're all there. It's really weird, as it's never happened before, and, if you take a look at my userpage, you'll see that I've been renamed before. - Zhou Yu (talk) 23:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Huggle October 2010

When I try to edit a page on Huggle, why does the content disappear? Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That would be a bug. It happens to me more when my system is overloaded. You may report it on the Huggle feedback page.   — Jeff G.  ツ 15:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I will report it. Wayne Olajuwon chat 21:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Continue to be beaten to vandalism

Why aren't some users letting me get reverts on Huggle because they keep being the first one to get that revert? Wayne Olajuwon chat 00:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

That is because they have less wikistress than you do. Try to reduce yours.   — Jeff G.  ツ 11:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying, but I just don't want to beaten to vandalism and they may be like a WikiRival because they keep beating to vandalism too many times on Huggle. Wayne Olajuwon chat 18:31, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Huggle problems

Why does Huggle continue to have problems when I'm on it? Wayne Olajuwon chat 00:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, "Huggle is a badly-coded pile of junk, that's what's wrong--Gurch (talk) 06:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)"   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that's how Huggle is. Can Huggle ever fix that problem? Wayne Olajuwon chat 21:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Outlook not so good. 67.80.250.138 (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to agree.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)