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Lua error

I think some sort of error crept in with this edit of yours to Module:Location map (or there's some other error somewhere). Edits like this one and this one, to remove redundant coordinate information and clear Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags, work fine; but the same sorts of edit here and here are throwing up error messages. I can't figure out what the problem is. Can you? Deor (talk) 22:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

This has been addressed at WT:Coordinates in infoboxes#More Lua errors: Infobox ancient site. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

BS

		The Special Barnstar
		For users Jc86035, JJMC89, and Jonesey95, for taking the can of worms that I opened and devoting the time to see the task through to completion. The result will be a very significant improvement to ease of editing, forever. Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes ―Mandruss ☎ 18:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:S-line errors

Seems this is now generating errors when there is a pipe in the title. I fixed a couple – [1], [2] – but a dozen or more have appeared since in the category.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 14:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@JohnBlackburne: Fixing this with the AutoWikiBrowser script. Don't think that's how S-rail is supposed to be used, but I should have factored that into changing it into a module. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Should be done. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There are a few more. I would fix them myself but the ones I looked at need entries adding to Template:S-rail/lines.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 19:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There were about a dozen articles in the category around 02:00 3 January 2017 UTC. I checked a couple and they were Lua errors complaining about indexing a nil value. I was a bit hasty and misread the docs and did a quick fix. After purging, the errors I noticed were fixed, but when I looked an hour later another dozen were listed. This time they were saying an attempt to expand a non-existent template had occurred so I fixed that. I left a "TODO" note in Module:S-line about another issue. Now there is only one article in the category, although that would be fixed by link purging because it no longer has a module error. However, looking at the section (Linz Hauptbahnhof#Train services) shows something is broken in the first row of the table where it shows stuff like "[[Template:S-line/westbahn left/westbahn" with a red link. There is also a problem in the heading where WESTbahn is not linked due to it including a reference which broke the processing somewhere. I thought I should mention this although it will probably need slow consideration. Johnuniq (talk) 04:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: I've fixed the WESTbahn one; the header shouldn't have references in it anyway. The category is currently turning up lots of pages where there aren't any errors, so I'm not sure if there are any left to fix. Next is probably to port {{S-rail/lines}} over into a (semiprotected) table at Module:S-line/title or something. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 12:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I had a look at the new ones in the category, and none of them had any problems. It looks one of the templates or modules, I suspect Module:S-line based on the timing, was broken for long enough that it affected a few articles which then ended up in the category. Unfortunately it can take a while before it updates whatever internal image of them it haves and removes them from the category. It’s best to test changes in the sandbox to avoid this.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 12:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Where was this change agreed, or even discussed beforehand? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:43, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Feel free to revert me if you wish. I was trying to reduce the number of #ifexist: calls that the template was making (I noticed after I fixed the header colour since it was changed in the site CSS a few weeks ago), and I think I got carried away a little there… Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

You didn't fix the header colour a few weeks ago - I did, with this edit.

Your edit has made the template unmaintainable, by which I don't just mean unamendable, but also undebuggable. We often get questions like "why does my route box not show such-a-line correctly?" and I answer these by tracing through the templates, one by one, until the problem is located. Just look at e.g. Template talk:S-line to see how many threads that I've participated in.

I cannot trace through Lua modules. They are impenetrable.

I am sure that a year or two ago, there was an RfC at which it was agreed that bold conversion of templates to Lua modules was not to be done, and that it should, at the very least, be proposed on the template's talk page first. I see no evidence of even a post-edit notification at Template talk:S-rail. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: I've reverted the template to the non-Lua version, given your complaint as well as the module's questionable benefits unless any other succession templates are also converted to Lua. I did not fix anything a few weeks ago; I was referring to the site-wide change in the colour of table headers to match the WMF's colour palette. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 10:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Jc86035: I have reverted all your recent edits on this template. Please do not use your template editing user rights to make anything other than trivial changes on protected templates without obtaining consensus beforehand. And please test all changes thoroughly in the sandbox before deploying. Thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Sorry about that. I'll try to be more cautious in making/testing template edits in future. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 15:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Re:

Firstly, User:Leon103102 did some disruptive edits on Chinese Wikipedia. This user put outdated, incorrect or meaningless information to rail-related pages @Baycrest:. I have reported it to Vandalism page on zh-wiki. What my recent edits on en-wiki were just ensuring his edits on other wiki-projects are not disruptive. BTW, I have generally reviewed this user's editing history: unlike what he/she did on zh-wiki, his/her edits on en-wiki are mostly OK. I am sorry if my behaviours here are too sharp.

Secondly about the Through train S-line rows. The en-wiki seems do not have a clear agreement on recognising the difference between "train service" and "route service". The s-line template of Guangzhou East Station is the mixture of the both types. Intercity through train service is a type of service between sino and HK, all the trains run on Guangzhou–Shenzhen Railway and EAL. Through train service template could be put on the page instead of within the station infobox. Secondly, MTR only operates very few of the intercity through trains, and their furthest service do not reach Foshan or Zhaoqing, the founder of this template could not just put a logo of MTR and count it as the system of MTR only. MNXANL (talk) 12:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@MNXANL: pinging Sameboat Thanks for the clarification. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 13:28, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

GeoHack to Kartographer

FYI: Wikitech-l: Map replaces GeoHack on ruwiki — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:28, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@JJMC89: Wow, that's great. That means we can just port bits of the module over when it's ready. On another note: I wonder if we could change Special:Nearby to work based on OSM data instead of the API? (This would remove any need for the parser function, which is, again, annoyingly problematic because parameters can't be injected into it from infobox templates.) Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 04:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Special Nearby looks to be part of mw:Extension:MobileFrontend, so the Reading Web team would be the group to ask. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@JJMC89: Filed a bug. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 08:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Module deletions

If you have any more that need deleting you can message me on my talk page if you like. It will probably save time. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 23:31, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Template:GO Transit rail system

As a nominator who now wants to withdraw the request, you can close the debate yourself. Useddenim (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim: I think it's probably best for me not to do that as multiple editors have !voted to delete the template. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Routemap-Infobox and BS-Infobox

I closed the TfM as merge. So, go for it! Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

@Plastikspork:  Done Merged, except for an unused gauge switch, and complete TemplateData added. —Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 08:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Willing to merge x, x%, and no-marker functionality into locator map?

Hi, Jc. Over at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 February 20#Template:Infobox map, I was asking whether you were planning on merging the |x=, |x%=, and no-marker-on-image functionality into Module:Location map. I would do this myself, but I really don't know Lua that well. If you want to keep this functionality, then I will withdraw my objection to the merge. Let me know, thanks! —hike395 (talk) 08:37, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Hike395: I'm planning to, although I might not do all of it immediately after the merge discussion is closed (maybe ask at WT:LUA). Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Wonderful, thanks! (I'm assuming that we won't delete {{Infobox map}} until the merged implementation is ready) —hike395 (talk) 14:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikibreak?

Hi. Your (global) user page says you're on wikibreak since December 2016. Is that still accurate? You seem pretty active to me! --MZMcBride (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@MZMcBride: I think I forgot to remove it after I went off wikibreak. Thanks for reminding me. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Infobox Chinese

Infobox Chinese appears to have been broken. Would you be able to revert your changes or fix this? It seems to be affecting all pages that use the infobox: [3], [4], [5], etc. I'm not not sure how to mess around with infoboxes myself. Thanks. --NoGhost (talk) 21:49, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@NoGhost: I've hidden the notice. Sorry about that, I enabled it since I didn't realize it would cause problems being sandwiched between two infoboxes. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 02:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

No worries. Is there another way to notify users about the merge proposal? --NoGhost (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@NoGhost: You could notify some or all of the active past contributors to the template and its subpages with {{subst:tfmnotice|Infobox name module|Infobox Chinese}} ~~~~, but there probably isn't anything more effective than that. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 10:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Too bad the infobox notification doesn't work as intended. Good luck! --NoGhost (talk) 18:23, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Diags at Island Platform

I think you've added the wrong RDT for a single island platform between two tracks. It shows two side platforms. Am on tablet, difficult for me to lookup to fix. 84.3.187.196 (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, will swap the platforms around. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 04:55, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Module:No ping

You recent change to this is generating some errors, in particular when {{vandal}} is used without parameters, as it has been on a few user pages, such as User talk:81.107.177.40. Not sure whether the problem is best fixed in Module:No ping or {{vandal}}, or even by repairing the pages with errors (I did a couple before I realised it was a larger problem).--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 15:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

@JohnBlackburne: I've fixed {{Vandal}}, although I'm not sure how or if to fix the module since the error was caused by inputting "{{{1}}}". Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 15:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

PROD applied to Files

Hello. WP:Proposed deletion was recently updated to apply PROD-ding to files. You can go ahead and tag any file with {{subst:prod}}. --George Ho (talk) 04:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Almost forgot, you can use Twinkle for PROD-ding. George Ho (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Singles

Can you please revert this change for now? The left alignment is affecting templates that occur after Singles. See Spit (album) as an example. Singles, followed by Extra Album Cover, will display the album cover to the left outside of the infobox. This was an example reported on @Sergecross73's talk page. Singles and EAC could be reversed to fix this individual article, but I don't know how many others are affected, and Singles shouldn't cause that behavior. -- ferret (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

I linked to the diff where you added an align, but the earlier edit seems to be the cause. -- ferret (talk) 16:58, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: I think it's fixed now (although {{Singles}} will add an empty table row if there are no singles). I'll try fixing it properly (in the Lua module) when I have time. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 17:15, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Not sure how rowcellstyle caused this. Could you look into it? This probably only occurs when at least two child infoboxes are used inside the same |dataX=, but I don't really know how Module:Infobox works so it may be something else. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 17:15, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Jc86035, do you have an example where something isn't working as you expected (e.g., a sandbox template or something)? Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Jc86035, found the sandbox. child infoboxes are really fragile when it comes to newlines. they require HTML tidy to fix the output, which can have unexpected results. in the Spit (album) example, if you remove the newline from between the "singles" and "extra album cover" templates, then your old code works. by adding the div tags you are helping tidy figure out how to fix the broken html. I could go into more detail on ways to fix the problem, but for now, I will move the div tags inside the module. Frietjes (talk) 18:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Since Tidy is apparently being removed at some point, shouldn't the output of {{Infobox}} be modified to prevent this sort of error? Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 01:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Jc86035, absolutely, not using tidy to fix the output is the best option. there have been threads started about this in various places, the most recent that I recall being here where the end result was removing the child infoboxes. obviously, it's not that easy to fix in most cases. the best place to discuss the more general solution is probably at template talk:infobox. by the way, if you want to see a simple demonstration of what went wrong here, see User:Frietjes/tidy. Frietjes (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: I think a simplistic fix would be for Module:Infobox to not output <tr><td colspan="2" style="text-align:center"> ... </td></tr> if <tr> but not <table> were found in a |dataX= parameter; but there are probably edge cases that can't be fixed in that way. Previously I assumed it worked like {{Navbox}} does now and post-processed child infoboxes. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 13:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

There are also a few problems generated by {{Collapsed infobox section begin}}/end, particularly because their behaviour is dependent on what parameter they're at the end of. For example, in Watford Junction railway station, the two accident infoboxes mid-page each have a few table rows and an unclosed <table> sandwiched betwen <caption>…</caption>. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 16:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Merged infobox examples

For WT:SONGS#New merged song/single infobox, any ideas on allowing editors to add their "versions" of the infobox without loosing the original example or subsequent examples? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ojorojo: Copy the template code to individual user sandboxes and transclude them, I guess. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 15:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Merchandise Mart

The route map for Merchandise Mart broke, I reverted your edits just for readability's sake. Feel free to find a fix for it, as I am not as experienced with those templates. Cards84664 (talk) 11:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: Should be fixed, forgot to change the template name. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 12:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Jc86035. You have new messages at Lost on Belmont's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Template:Bisezhai–Shiping Railway

I can't figure out what the problem is with the collapsible section—would you mind taking a look at it? Thanks! Useddenim (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim: I think |tw= is necessary for double-sidebar collapsible (e.g. |tw=,120,,,120,), since there's no way to align all the tables properly without it. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 04:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Why did you?

It didn't show in the article(read) So, I changed it so viewers could see it. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 10:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Luke Kern Choi 5: The template is supposed to be placed in |misc=, so I moved it there. Many other infoboxes place the auxiliary templates inside one of the other parameters for some reason, and this is incorrect because it's basically injecting an extra HTML table row into the end of a table cell. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 10:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not good at coding, so I just do visual edit. Thanks. I would like it to be linked. Please help other song articles, too.Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 14:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Module:Hms script errors

Module:Hms is causing pages like Dragonball Evolution: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack to appear in Category:Pages with script errors. The errors appear to be legitimate, but were previously hidden. Nice work with unearthing those errors.

You might consider a custom error category instead of just letting everything dump into the script errors category, which is always full of a few hundred permanent entries. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I 'fixed' the ones I found yesterday with the problem. In reality I corrected nonsensical values to the nearest plausible value, but none were sourced so I could not check them further – hopefully whoever inserted the incorrect value knows where to find the correct one, if they are still watching the page. It’s easy to find them in the category via the two links at the top, and it’s a better place for them than in another category not normally checked. They are errors so should be noticed and fixed.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 18:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 and JohnBlackburne: I've added a new tracking category, Category:Duration with input error. @Ojorojo: what's the best way of finding the duration of an album (since tracks are rounded to the nearest second)? iTunes doesn't seem to provide it. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 08:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I don’t know where the time information comes from. None of the articles I look at had sources for any of the times, either for individual tracks or for the total time. Nor do I know where you would find out online: even if a review mentioned it I doubt it would be so precise; it’s not just the track length but does the album include gaps between tracks? I assume in most cases editors have made a mistake reading the value from their music software – iTunes gives the total length of an album to the nearest second – or adding the track times themselves.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 13:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I've totaled the track times from the original LPs/CDs liner notes or record label. AllMusic album reviews, Discogs, etc., often use reissues and differ. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ojorojo: This might be unnecessarily pedantic, but wouldn't totaling the track times be slightly inaccurate due to track lengths being rounded to the nearest second? Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 13:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Probably, but at least the best reliable source is being used. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

FWIW, I found one album listed as "14:91". I did a web search for the tracks, added the lengths in Excel, and got "15:31", so that's what I put in. I figured that was just as OR as the original, and it was within a few seconds, which was good enough. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Have you considered adding this time check to Module:Track listing? Until I fixed it Kicking Cars showed an error in the infobox but not in the {{Track listing}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Tried adding some input checks in the sandbox (testcases; tracking category), should work well enough. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 04:40, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: The checks don't seem to appear anymore for the |lengthn= parameters; could you fix this? Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 03:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Route map problems

Hi, I noticed a couple of articles you've updated the route maps on and left errors (invalid files).

• 35th/Archer station
• Sheridan station (CTA)
• Western station (CTA Orange Line)
• Wilson station (CTA)

I would try to fix them myself but those things always take me ages to work out... so could you look at them again. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@KylieTastic: All fixed, thanks for notifying me. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 13:19, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks :) KylieTastic (talk) 13:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Christine and the Queens - Chaleur Humaine

Many thanks for working out how to add two lists of singles to the Christine and the Queens Chaleur Humaine article - I couldn't figure it out. I have a few suggestions and thought it best to ask you first:

• It may be better for the second list of singles to be called "Chaleur Humaine (English edition)" rather than "Christine and the Queens" which is the American title. She appears to have had very little impact in America but significant success in Britain so the British title would be more approproiate.
• I changed the capitalisation to try to make the article more consistent - the reverting of these changes re-introduces the inconsistency of the song titles, for example "Narcissus Is Back" (should probably be "Narcissus is Back" or "Narcissus is back"). Should the other ones also be changed to sentence case?
• I accept the comment about the French sentence case but on British websites (amazon.co.uk for example) the songs are listed with title case so should the English edition of the album be listed using title case? (On the album itself they're all capitals.)

DarylKayes (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@DarylKayes:

• For the list of singles, perhaps it should be labeled "Christine and the Queens" since the American edition was released before the British, but I'm not sure.
• No idea.
• Not sure.

Pinging Ojorojo, Ilovetopaint and JG66, who probably know more about this than I do. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 11:16, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Listing the singles overburdens the infobox. Information such as this is better presented in the body of the article. Also, album and artist articles should not rely so heavily on tables – tables should not outweigh text. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Just a question

"The Chinese Wikipedia already does this semi-automatically without requiring six different versions of every page." May I ask how it does that? THE DIAZ ^{talk • contribs} 21:44, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

As an example, here is the wikitext that results from using {{convert|12|m|ft}} at enwiki and at zhwiki:

12 metres (39 ft)
12-{zh:米;zh-cn:米;zh-tw:公尺;zh-hk:米;}-（39英尺）

At zhwiki, the above markup outputs different things depending on user preferences, with one of them (I think zh) being the default that applies to those with no preferences such as the very large majority of readers who are not logged in. I forget what that is called, something about language selector. Johnuniq (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Changes to track listing template

Hi. I'm seeing several pages (e.g. Enclosure (Merzbow album)) showing an error:

Track listing error: Time value does not contain a colon

It looks like the length values are empty. I wonder is this related to your changes at Module:Track_listing? Thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 23:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Since you're not around, I've reverted the recent change to the module until the issue can be resolved. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Notification counts

I eventually filed phab:T164115 for the bug you reported at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 152#Notifications. It has now been closed as resolved. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks! Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 13:50, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Category:Pages with script errors

not sure if you caused it, but Category:Pages with script errors is blowing up right now. for example, see Marcăuți, Briceni. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: My fault, should be fixed now in both Module:Country extract and {{Infobox settlement}}. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 16:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I may have double-fixed it with this change to strip the whitespace from the front and back of the input. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

you broke it again. it is the whitespace, see Template:Country abbreviation/doc. Frietjes (talk) 16:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

front/back whitespace is only trimmed from named args, not from positional args. Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Sorry about that. I'm running through the remaining pages with AWB to remove them from the category. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 16:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

okay, I reverted your reversion of my fix since it broke it again. Frietjes (talk) 16:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Are you using AWB to null-edit the articles to remove them from the category? It is better to use a tricky purge which I could explain another time. I'll try my purge a little later. Johnuniq (talk) 01:06, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I started investigating one page in the error category but it's a bit mysterious for me at the moment. I put what I have found so far in my sandbox2 (permalink). @Frietjes: If you are around, please have a look and tell me whether the issue is what is discussed above. Is there something wrong with the parameters to the template in my sandbox that is causing a module to go crazy? Or is the module just broken? I'll try to get back to this and work out which module is showing the error. Johnuniq (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: Should be fixed now. There was a line which treated frame:expandTemplate as a table for some reason. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 04:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, I just working out that there must be something wrong in Module:Country extract. Johnuniq (talk) 04:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

{{Infobox single}}

Hi Jc86035, I don't know what you did here, but its causing massive error red text to blow up in the song articles, Check Malibu (Miley Cyrus song). —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Should be fixed, forgot to update {{External music video}} after a module change. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 09:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh thank you, yeah its fixed. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Template cleanup

Appreciate the template cleanup efforts, and have done many sprees of that myself. However, I ask that you look for opportunities to merge the functionality of variant templates into parent templates as parameters, before listing the variants at TfD. I think it's twice in the same week now I've found myself responding to TfDs you've listed that obviously are templates that can merge with very little effort (providing nothing but a display variance from the output of the original), and where the variant output is not objectionable in any way. I.e., there is no TfD rationale against what the template does, it's simply that we don't need stand-alone templates for the variation(s). Doing the pre-TfD feature merging makes the TfD case stronger, since the variant templates are then redundant, too, not just infrequently used.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  06:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Aren't both of them already hard-coded versions of {{Language with name2}} (which is also basically unused)? The second parameter of that could be replaced with {{ISO 639 name}} or {{iso2language}}, though. I'll keep in mind to merge features (which don't pose massive workloads) before nominating in future. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 06:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll hardly object to further merging. :-) I don't recall the detailed history of these things. Not used much and unused aren't the same thing, but we don't need a profusion of these if variants of them can easily be replaced with calls to one template with some parameters.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  18:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Trial

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New Bermondsey railway station

… appears to be on an embankment, not a viaduct. Useddenim (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim: OpenStreetMap says the site is on a bridge over Surrey Canal Road. The connection to the SLL isn't elevated though, so yes, that should probably be shown. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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Disneyland Railroad featured article nomination

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Your bot is blanking articles

[6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15]. --The1337gamer (talk) 09:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@The1337gamer: AWB doesn't run very well through Wine, it seems. I have no idea what's causing it. There's not much I can do about it right now other than revert the edits. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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UNB and links to album articles

Hello! I would like to request that UsuallyNonviolentBot be enhanced so that it does not "fix" the punctuation or formatting of album titles. For example, this edit, which broke a link to the "next album" in the infobox. In some cases, such as this one, the titles of albums do not conform to the Wikipedia manual of style, but the bot should not try to adjust them. Thanks. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 16:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

In general, the bot should ignore text inside square brackets, since there are likely to be wikilinks or file names in there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:19, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: This is an AWB genfix, and I have no control over those other than switching all of them off. The album title is definitely an outlier and I don't really want to switch off all the genfixes since they're useful for adding maintenance templates and the like, so maybe the genfixes should be modified to whitelist that album's title or page links in general for date format fixes if it's possible. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 16:38, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Reported as a possible bug at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:43, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Module:Zh

Could you help me to add a new parameter "bp" to Module:Zh, right after "poj"? The parameter links to Bbánlám pìngyīm, and shows label like "Bbánlám Pìngyīm".--Sunshine567 (talk) 07:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

CTA Headers

Given the recent redo of the CTA headers and its application to (nearly) all of the current stations, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create an additional subset for older closed stations which currently do not have any stylized headers. There would be four new styles added which we can call A, B, AB, and CRT. Immediately prior to the introduction of the Green Line Standard signage (the current signage) station signs were coded by their skip-stop type: A, B, or AB/All stop. This system was very similar to the current system in its placement of text and use of white helvetica. The difference was that there were no colored "tabs." The whole sign was the same color. The system employed before this used white letters in an as-of-yet unidentified sans-serif font on a dark blue background.

Can you link to some examples of the older signage? Useddenim (talk) 11:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Here are a few links: this, this (not a great shot), and this (a good image for font and is decent on color). Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

The FULLERTON sign appears to be Futura Ultra Bold Condensed. SHERIDAN is too foreshortened to tell, but could be the same. The ENTRANCE sign is the same font that was silkscreened onto destination signs for years. I've seen it refered to as “Destinator”, but I don’t believe it’s ever been released digitally. (Too many width and weight variations.) Useddenim (talk) 04:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Many of those signs predate Futura (although the original subway signage was in Futura interestingly enough) but I'll call it close enough. Lost on  Belmont  ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 04:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add these as different "lines" to call up a different style set for the headers?

The following colors are from the graphics used on Chicago-L.org's station sign page. The "CRT/original style" is a big TBD.

• A = #DC0000
• B = #008800
• AB = #32B9DF

Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Ashland   200N 1600W

Ashland   200N 1600W

Ashland   200N 1600W

Ashland   200N 1600W

@Lost on Belmont: So like this? Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 05:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Lost on Belmont:@Jc86035: Also note the darker blue used in the early 90s. In addition to that, the grid numbering addressed mezzanine locations in stations with multiple exits, as opposed to station addresses today. One example of that is Washington on the red line: Cards84664 (talk) 06:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Randolph/ Washington   128N 1E-1W Washington Washington/ Madison   20N 1E-1W

We just need to somehow fit all this info on one header template. Cards84664 (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: I think it's better to just replicate the simpler design (without the arrows and multiple mezzanine information), rather than stuff so much information into the infobox header. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 07:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Note this before and after. Most stations with multiple exits didn't have their own grid numbers until 1993. Cards84664 (talk) 12:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: There might be readability concerns with the three stacked rows of text, and I don't know how the arrows would be replicated (there is no circled left arrow Unicode character). Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 14:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, exactly like that. Also, @Cards84664: the blue in the later 1990s signs is the same as the AB/All stop signs from the earlier KDR era. There's going to be some color discrepancy depending on lighting conditions/dirt. (Again, those colors are from the graphical repros on Chicago-L.org. I have an all stop KRD sign in my collection, but my scanner isn't working properly so I can't get a good estimation of the real color at present.) I'm also of the opinion that directional arrows and multi entrance signs are unnecessary. The top row of infobox station is for the station's name. The signage aspect is purely decoration for that name. The multiple entrance signs therefore shouldn't be there.

As a side note, the "entrance signs" don't actually exist. What you're describing are part of the wayfinding signs, but the header is reproducing what's called a "station name sign." (My father worked in the signage and wayfinding dept. for years and was the one who developed the Green Line Standard.) Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 14:57, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jc86035: So I think we have our four for a template: Parameters "A", "B", "AB", and "KDR90" for the dark blue. Cards84664 (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Ashland   200N 1600W

@Cards84664, Lost on Belmont, and Useddenim: Added to the module; sorry for the delay. Values are |color=KDR90, |color=AB etc. as suggested by Cards84664. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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Module:Country extract/MX

Hello. I see Module:Country extract/MX has two entries for ["Mexico City"], with the current "MX-CMX" and the historic "MX-DIF". Caller Module:Coordinates receives the DIF version (at least sometimes - I'm no expert on LUA duplicate key handling). I was tempted to boldly remove the DIF version but I'm not sure whether that would break anything which calls the module for historic codes. If so, would swapping the order fix things? Ref for code change: footnote here. Thanks, Certes (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@Certes: Thanks. I have removed the code. Jc86035 (talk) 05:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Color for West Rail Line, East Rail Line and Ma On Shan Line in track maps

Please discuss in Template talk:West Rail Line RDT.Xeror (talk) 08:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

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CTA Header

One more question I have about the module. Template:CTA color is currently accurate if you use the colors provided on the main cat website. However, the exact colors provided are different for physical signage, and its depictions on the ctagifts website (where i got the png and jpg images for the signage), and the washington/wabash website. Is there a way to call a different set of colors from Template:CTA color, while still using the same color names? (For example, if Orange is used in the infobox, a darker orange is called for the line box and s-line template, but a lighter orange would be called for the header template.) Cards84664 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Clark/Lake   100W 200N

@Cards84664: It's possible (a duplicate of {{CTA color}} would need to be made, or it could be put straight into the module), but are the colours actually different for physical signage? (Colours can be rendered differently depending on screen.) I think if ctagifts isn't an official website it would be better to rely on the CTA website. Lost on Belmont and Useddenim, do you think the signage colours should be different? Jc86035 (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

ctagifts is not the official site; go with one set of colors. Useddenim (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Note the separate colors are also used on the washington/wabash website here. Cards84664 (talk) 10:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Your edit to Template:Infobox route diagram

I have reverted your edit to Template:Infobox route diagram, as it broke the Port Jervis Line article by placing the entirety of the article text inside the infobox beneath the route map. I'm not sure exactly why it broke, but your edit was the cause of the problem. – Train2104 (t • c) 13:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Train2104: I'll fix the diagram. This is because the {| was not noincluded, and before I edited {{Infobox RDT}} an extra empty <table>...</table> was generated outside the infobox although it did not visually change the page (see Template talk:Infobox rail line). Maps using Infobox RDT with BS-table were supposed to use |map=, I think. The edit was meant to temporarily fix the table nesting before Infobox RDT is removed from articles at some point in the future, but since it turns out the template's not 100% compatible with everything funnelled into it I won't reinstate the change. Jc86035 (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

LUA Help

So based on the Edit History of Module:Infobox you know your way around LUA... Was wondering if you might be interested in helping me with a project? Category:2012 Summer Olympics event navigational boxes I've found that all these olympic event nav boxes still use the old style code... Was thinking of trying to generalize it. My thought would be to have something like {{Olympic event sidebar|year=2012}} that would handle the basic outline and whatnot. I've got the basic concept laid out at User:Zackmann08/olympics but to make it flexible I think it would be best to implement a module. Thing is that I've never done one before. Any help would be greatly appreciated! --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 22:23, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Zackmann08: If you want to make a module you would be doing this for every edition of the Olympics and probably Paralympics. If you're just doing it for 2012 then using your row template should be fine. Jc86035 (talk) 15:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The ultimate end goal is in fact to do it for every Olympics/sporting event nav box. I absolutely realize this is a HUGE undertaking... But figure it is worth doing it the right way if I'm going to do it. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 16:23, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

wondering about {{small}} vs. <small>

So in this edit, you switched {{small}} for <small>. I've inspected how they both render and it looks identical to me (they both seem to render with a computed font-size of 9.044px), so shouldn't we be using the template rather than the tag? If there's a difference, can you point out what it is so if I come across the situation again, I can make the right choice? —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

@Joeyconnick: They do the exact same thing. If you want to switch it back then do so, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. Jc86035 (talk) 00:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

If they do the exact same thing, why would you change it, then (by your own logic, I mean)? —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Joeyconnick: I was thinking about changing it to better match the BSto font size but then I gave up halfway through and changed the span tag to a small tag. Doesn't really matter I think. Jc86035 (talk) 06:10, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

RFA by month

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for rotating RFA by month You've fixed a design mistake that made sense when I started this back in 2009 but had reached the point where I needed a wider screen. ϢereSpielChequers 07:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, WereSpielChequers! Jc86035 (talk) 09:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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The printing out of RDT templates

Why is it necessary for a second heavy black horizontal line about an inch or so under the main heading to appear on "PDF" print outs? This spoils the look of the finished article. In the old days, all that one had to do was to click on the print icon and an exact image replica would appear.

I know that you mentioned the fact that the original Wikipedia print facility system seems to have been life-expired, but I would have thought that an organization the global size of Wikipedia could have replaced the old one with a like-for-like new one. It is too much to hope that matters could be updated, please?

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:18, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: Please air further grievances here, since I can't do anything about it (I have noted your problem there). The heavy black line is probably because the template you're trying to print doesn't have any content other than the diagram, since one line is added below the header and another is added after all of the paragraphs in the article (ignoring sidebars). This might be deliberate, since most people probably only download articles and not templates. Jc86035 (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply and I have now followed the course suggested by you.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 15:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Deprecated what?

You edited User:Closeapple/new/Globalize/name with the edit comment "change template so deprecated can be deleted per tfd discussion". What template or TfD is affected? --Closeapple (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Closeapple: The relevant deletion discussion is Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 November 12#Template:ISO 3166 name DE-HB, which affects templates named {{ISO 3166 …}}. I edited your sandbox page because it was being used to directly call the subpages which were to be tagged for deletion, and the page now uses {{ISO 3166 name}}, which has been updated to use Module:ISO 3166 instead of the helper templates. Jc86035 (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Templates for deletion

I see you nominated a number of templates for deletion. I read the deletion discussion which says they can be deleted once they've been converted to Lua. How can I confirm that this has happened?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: The template which has been converted to Lua is {{ISO 3166 name}}, which now uses Module:ISO 3166 instead of depending on the templates now nominated for deletion. Jc86035 (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Sig

Eek, is there anything I can do to my signature syntax to prevent it?

I'm getting lots of emails from phabrictor. Tony (talk) 10:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Without changing the display, it would be [[User:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Tony'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]]. —Jc86035 (talk) 10:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'll try changing it today (unless you want it to remain for the purpose of the phab. thread). Tony (talk) 00:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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It took longer than expected

I was wondering when some Propaganda troll would revert my changes. Now it's back to the version where, in spite of including all the incriminating facts, you are left with a feeling there was not really much bad shit going on here. Kudos to the original author for his skills. I'm sure the Evil Empire pays well of his/her talents.

How does it feel to be working for the 3rd Reich?

If you read this, half of the lead section already deals with the "false flag" thing so it's not really like Wikipedia's style to be so on the nose about it. Furthermore, the quotation is far too long to be included in the lead section regardless of its content. Jc86035 (talk) 06:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

CTA Module

Is there a way to change the text size of the grid numbers separately? Washington/Wabash is a bit too compact at the moment. Cards84664 (talk) 17:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: The actual sign uses the normal text size ratio so I don't think it should ideally be taken out of proportion, and the text is still readable at the current size. The thing preventing the text from being slightly bigger is HTML Tidy's addition of an extra two spaces between the divs (which doesn't happen in Special:ExpandTemplates), although I'm not sure how soon Tidy is going to be replaced. Alternately I could add a zero-width space so that there are two spaces, but this will have to be changed as soon as RemexHtml is enabled on this wiki. Jc86035 (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

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@Insertcleverphrasehere: I'll see if I have time for a few articles a day at some point, but for now I'm busy with other things. Thanks for asking, though. Jc86035 (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

wrong tag

Hello Jc86035, appologies for the wrong tag as I was trying to tag another article and accidentally tagging your as your article was on one of my manu tab.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 09:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Rail foo

Just to be clear, I don't have anything against what your bot is slated to do, and it's good that you asked those clarifying questions (and I answered them with the expectation that the answers are needed and that the bot will proceed). What I object to is the "policy doesn't mean what it means, all that matters is a majority vote" closure of the RfC. Given the wiki-political mood, I don't think a re-RfC at this time would be successful, so the "consensus" (probably a WP:FALSECONSENSUS) in the RfC should be taken at face value and implemented in the interim. Maybe I'm wrong and it will work great. If not, it can be corrected later, because WP is digital putty in our hands and easy to adjust, unlike dead-trees publications. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  12:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Please come and help...

Should MoS shortcut redirects be sorted to certain specific maintenance categories? An Rfc has been opened on this talk page to answer that question. Your sentiments would be appreciated!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  18:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Chicago L

Fullerton   2400N 1000W

Belmont   3200N 1000W

Wellington   3000N 1000W

Washington/Wells   100N 200W

Is there a way for the module to produce certain-height white spaces by itself? Cards84664 (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: Not yet. Should it be done for all headers with two or more colours, or only sometimes? Jc86035 (talk) 11:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Not sure, but I think 2 has its own set height, same goes for 3. I'm not so sure about 4 and 5 though. You can look through all of them here. Cards84664 (talk) 11:52, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: I've added white stripes which are uniformly 1⁄10 the height of the coloured stripes. This matches the ratio for the 2-stripe signs but not the one used for the 3-stripe signs. (Note that the 20-stripe header above does actually now have 19 very thin white stripes.) Is this okay? Jc86035 (talk) 12:29, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I just tested the height with Digital Color Meter, the height appears to be the same on each original image, so it could be just an optical illusion. Another thing, the background color should be switched from #6f6f6f to #5f6062. Also, do you think you can include a case that makes the white lines taller for templates with 4 lines? This Washington/Wells template looks weird for me. Cards84664 (talk) 13:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: I've changed the header colour. The height of the white lines is the same (3px) for 2- and 3-line header images, but then the ratio is different. The 4-line and 5-line ones are inevitably slightly off since they are currently 38⁄43px and 38⁄54px high respectively. I might change the template to use different ratios for non-2-line headers; this is 3:19 white_stripe:line_colour in the images for 3-line headers (2-line headers use 3:30) but Module:CTA header currently renders at a 38px height so maybe it could be changed to 2:12 and the 4-/5-line headers could use the same. Jc86035 (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll take whatever fixes the spacing on 4 or 5. Thank you for your work so far. Cards84664 (talk) 14:38, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: A bit of adjustment might be needed in the "ratio" table in Module:CTA header but on pixel-doubled screens all five should now look fine. Jc86035 (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I see a taller gap between pink and purple on my screen. Other than that, it looks good. Cards84664 (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

‎Lower case railway station

Hi, thanks for your interest. I've just finished checking the pages which were moved from "Foo Railway Station" to "Foo railway station". 90% of them began "Foo Railway Station is a railway station...". I realised that our more astute readers may already have worked that bit out for themselves, but I just changed the case to match the new title and moved on. I did find a few beginning "Foo is a railway station". Although that reads better, I thought it might be a bit misleading (Foo is usually a town rather than a station) so I changed them to match the majority.

There may well be lots of articles called "Bar railway station" with different lead formats. I've not touched the thousands of pages which already had a lower case title unless they came up in my checks as needing fixes for some specific reason (broken templates etc.) I hope that helps, and any other comments or help would be very welcome. Certes (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I just got pointed here by a wikipedian who noticed. I've just editted Shanghai Hongqiao railway station and took "railway station" out of the lead sentence. In cases like this where the info box title omits "railway station", this would seem to be an obvious and uncontroversial way to do it. I don't know what fraction of that 90% this would cover, but I'd guess half or so. Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: We should probably look for a further consensus before going ahead with that. I can supply a list of about 1,000 pages where I downcased the lead but there will be many other instances, and I really ought to move on to other topics that I've queued up behind the station edits. Certes (talk) 12:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Yorkshire Dales Railway

Hi. Please do not misunderstand me, I only wish to understand and this is not a criticism; why have you changed the Template:Yorkshire Dales Railway from BS7 etc to \\\ ~~~~? Is this easier, has there been a discussion or moratorium, or is it just your personal preference? Like I say, not a criticism and I in no way wish to put it back, I'd just like to know and understand.

I only realised after I went in to alter a deprecated icon. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

​ Sort of a combination of being easier to edit and my personal preference; as well as {{Routemap}} having a bunch of newer features that would be difficult or impossible to implement in {{BS-map}}, loading faster, being easier to transwiki, etc.. The conversion is usually done as shown in this part of the Routemap documentation. Jc86035 (talk) 01:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Ta for the response. Loading faster and being easier to transwiki are definitely plus points. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Seoul Metropolitan Subway

Another 596 station articles to be moved: User:Feminist/Seoul. So many that {{requested move}} failed. Should be uncontroversial. Is there any way to automate this process? I'm considering filing a WP:BOTREQ. feminist (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

​I think you could nominate just a few of the articles and then file a bot request for all of the articles to be moved, similar to the RM for MTR stations (after which I manually moved the rest of the articles). Incidentally, the numbered 931–935 stations on Line 9 seem to have names but one of the articles (931) contradicts the table containing the line information so maybe those could be further investigated before the articles are re-titled. Jc86035 (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. The Korean Wikipedia does not seem to mention the names of future stations (going by Google Translate). The Chinese Wikipedia has some articles of future Line 9 stations, which are mentioned on zh:首爾地鐵9號線. Would these articles about future stations fall afoul of WP:CRYSTAL here? feminist (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

​I don't think so, since there is a source which confirms that the extension of the line is actually being built and is expected to be completed (though it's not on all the articles and it doesn't mention all the stations so a better source might be needed). As an example, 96th Street (Second Avenue Subway) became a good article two months before the station was actually opened. Jc86035 (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox UK school

Template:Infobox UK school has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox school. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Template:Country abbreviation

Doesn't seem to handle VA or VAT (Vatican City/the Holy See) correctly. Useddenim (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguating Broad Street

Please don't change {{rws|Broad Street}} or {{stnlnk|Broad Street}} to [[Broad Street railway station (England)|Broad Street]]. All that you need do is add a second parameter, |England as in {{stnlnk|Broad Street|England}} which produces Broad Street. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: The dabsolver tool converts them automatically for some reason (possibly because the template's substitutable). I'd thought there was a guideline which said something against using templates to generate links like those in the body of articles, but I can't find anything except for "Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content" in Wikipedia:Template namespace. Jc86035 (talk) 12:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The point about templates such as {{stnlnk}} is that the basic station name is needed only once, not twice as with a piped link. Where is it stated that the template should be substituted? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

It isn't, but I thought I was supposed to do that. Jc86035 (talk) 12:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

No. Can you configure dabsolver to not subst templates? I've never used it, and having looked at User:Dispenser/Dab solver, I don't want to. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:09, 23 January 2018 (UTC)