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FBI article
Sorry for the revert... you beat me to the edit! Wray won't start until he is sworn in, though. I've made the change. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 21:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Ways to improve Brown v. Socialist Workers '74 Campaign Committee
Hi, I'm Boleyn. Javert2113, thanks for creating Brown v. Socialist Workers '74 Campaign Committee!
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Radical Democracy Party
Hi there, just curious about your recent changes in spelling to American English on the Radical Democracy Party page? What was the issue there? EricthePinko (talk) 17:29, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, Eric. There was nothing wrong, per se, insofar as the spelling was concerned; given the location of the RDP (in the U.S.), however, I decided to localize the spelling and clean up some areas that might have produced some confusion for readers. That's all. I wanted to thank you, in fact, for all of your hard work in creating and maintaining the page; I hope that my edits weren't detrimental whatsoever. Javert2113 (talk) 20:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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FYI
Hi, in this revert you wrote; "I don't believe we have a Freedom-class ship.
". Actually we do, there are two classes in the Littoral Combat Ship program; the Freedom-class and the Independence-class. But your revert in this case was still correct however. - theWOLFchild 09:23, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- My apologies. I was unaware for the Freedom-class littoral combat ships. Thanks for the correction and clarification! — Javert2113 (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- No apology is necessary, it's not in any way a big deal. (btw, did you notice my comment above?) - theWOLFchild 12:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- Just saw your comment above, thanks. I'll probably remove it or archive it soon. — Javert2113 (talk) 13:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- No apology is necessary, it's not in any way a big deal. (btw, did you notice my comment above?) - theWOLFchild 12:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
A personal attack
Why am i not surprised a fucking socialist is the one putting soviet backed lies about the polish resistance movements in their articles. How about listening to Eastern Europeans who lived through socialism/communism or had families who lived through its horrors instead of believing everything your college priest professor tells you. And while youre at it you ought to look up the Holodomor and the Great Leap Forward.
Courtesy of 2602:306:8389:4120:3C38:D701:3A6E:B5A0, talk.
- Priceless. Don't let these people get you down. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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You beat me to it. Again. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC) |
@ToBeFree: Oh, no, no, no, I most certainly do not, I say again, do not deserve this honor. But thank you all the same, my friend. — Javert2113 (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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She’s actually only the author of one NYT Best selling book. The second book was not a best seller as far as I could tell. Blackbelt whitetails (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, good to know. Thank you. — Javert2113 (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Trying to update Friends of Animals page
I am trying to update the Friends of Animals page to reflect on the news lawsuits its Wildlife Law Program is pursuing since that section of the page is outdated but this update keeps getting deleted. What exact proof do you require. 18:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)F (talk)
- Oh, my apologies. Err, no real "evidence", per se, is needed (I was unaware, I'm sorry to say), but are there other sources mentioning or noting the status of the Wildlife Law Program, such as ones from New York newspapers or news sources, as noted in WP:RS? Other than that, please, carry on. — Javert2113 (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Invitation to WikiProject Portals
The Portals WikiProject has been rebooted.
You are invited to join, and participate in the effort to revitalize and improve the Portal system and all the portals in it.
There are sections on the WikiProject page dedicated to tasks (including WikiGnome tasks too), and areas on the talk page for discussing the improvement and automation of the various features of portals.
Many complaints have been lodged in the RfC to delete all portals, pointing out their various problems. They say that many portals are not maintained, or have fallen out of date, are useless, etc. Many of the !votes indicate that the editors who posted them simply don't believe in the potential of portals anymore.
It's time to change all that. Let's give them reasons to believe in portals, by revitalizing them.
The best response to a deletion nomination is to fix the page that was nominated. The further underway the effort is to improve portals by the time the RfC has run its course, the more of the reasons against portals will no longer apply. RfCs typically run 30 days. There are 19 days left in this one. Let's see how many portals we can update and improve before the RfC is closed, and beyond.
A healthy WikiProject dedicated to supporting and maintaining portals may be the strongest argument of all not to delete.
We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.
Let's do this.
See ya at the WikiProject!
Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 10:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update, April 22, 2018
Thank you for joining the Portals WikiProject.
Here's our first project-wide update. I hope you enjoy it...
Reboot
The WikiProject reboot has been a success: the new re-envisioned project is up and running, with new members, ongoing discussions about automation, design, and upkeep; maintained task queques; and updates to members, like this, the very first one!
As you know, there's a proposal to delete all portals. It started out looking pretty dismal for portals, with primarily posts supporting their demise. It turned out that the proposer didn't post a deletion notice on the very pages being nominated for deletion (a requirement for all deletion discussions). Once that was done, a flood of opposition came in and has apparently turned the tide.
RfCs generally run for 30 days. It started April 8th, and so it has about 14 more days to run its course.
The more work we can do during that time on the portals, the stronger the reasons for keeping them will be. And the more prepared we will be for any MfDs that follow the closing of the RfC.
AWB?
You may be wondering why we asked for AWB experience in the member-sign-up list.
We are gearing up to do maintenance runs on the entire set of portals, and the more people we have who can use AWB, the better.
But we're not quite ready to start this yet.
To be able to use AWB on the portals, we first need to know what the end result needs to be. Like on the news sections, do we comment out the out-of-date ones, or do we place the code to activate the newsbot on those pages? That would require an assessment of WikiNews and its news generating performance (areas covered, volume in each area), etc.
You can help us figure this out at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about news sections.
Another area we're gearing up for, to do passes with AWB, are upgrades to the intro sections of portals. Many of these have static (copied/pasted) excerpts that go stale over time.
We're trying to figure out how to make self-updating excerpts to replace the existing static excerpts that are on many portals, and once this is done, AWB will be used to place the new code. See the discussion on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about selective transclusion in intros.
"What can I do?"
There are 3 major areas of activity right now:
Update the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals
There are a few hundred existing portals that are missing from this list.
The list of missing entries, and instructions on what to do, can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.
We need everybody's help on this. It's a big chore for one persons. But, many hands make light work. Please help chip away at this chore as much as you can. A little each day, form all of us, will get this done pretty quick.
Familiarize yourself with the portal system
In addition to browsing the portals in the 2 lists mentioned in the section above, you should take a look at the portal name space itself and what is in it.
That can be done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Watchlist.
Join in on the discussions
There are discussions on many aspects of the WikiProject's operations, with more to come.
Such as about the purposes and functions of portals, design discussions, and so on.
There's even a automated design discussion over at Village Pump Technical, on selective transclusion.
I hope to see you on the talk page.
What's coming?
In addition to the automation efforts mentioned above, we will be looking into how to automate the selection and display of alternating excerpts, and alternating pictures, for the various portal sections.
Watch for these discussions on the Wikiproject's talk page.
Summing up...
Get ready, get set, go! — The Transhumanist 22:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
P.S.: The main example given at the RfC of the problems of portals was Portal:Cricket. Therefore, it's the top priority portal to update. Please lend a hand. - TT
Portals WikiProject heads up, April 27, 2018
We now have 52 members, and more are joining daily.
New and easier way to handle excerpts
Attention portal maintainers!
There's a new template to improve existing and new portals, called {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.
It is a lot easier to use than copying and pasting text from articles, as it displays the paragraphs you specify automatically for you.
It makes excerpts so that they are always current and never go stale or fork.
It is more powerful than it looks, because it has the Lua Module:Excerpt supporting it.
Be careful, as it is alpha software. Please notify the WikiProject talkpage of any problems you come across.
To give you a sense of the reaction this template is generating, here is an excerpt of a discussion thread from the WikiProject's talk page:
- This new template is fantastic. I've added it to the intro sections of the portals on Australian cities (eg P:PER) and it works brilliantly. My compliments to its creators. It can probably also be used in other sections of many portals (eg "Selected article" and "Selected biography"), and, for that reason, will probably make the task of maintaining portals a great deal easier. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for being so brave. Portal:Adelaide/Intro just got a lot simpler! Certes (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Kudos on a wonderful template. — The Transhumanist 03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- This is amazing stuff. I'm going to get to work on using it on the selected content at most of these portals very soon. WaggersTALK 13:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Kudos on a wonderful template. — The Transhumanist 03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I wrote a comment in the the April 26 section of the RfC explaining what we are up to. I liked the excerpt above so much, that I went back to my RfC posting, and inserted it.
Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals to your watchlist
Wish list
What's this? An old oil lamp. It's so dirty, I think I'll polish it...
*poof*
Whoa! Are you a WikiGenie? In that case, I get 3 wishes!
I wish...
- ...that Portal:Contents/Portals becomes up-to-date. (The missing entries are listed on the talk page, with instructions).
- ...the WikiProject to have Article Alerts. ({{WikiProject Portals}} templates have already been placed on all portal talk pages).
- ...that Portal:Cricket becomes a shining example of portal excellence. (It was the main example of a crappy and unmaintained portal at the RfC).
Please make my wishes come true. See you around the portals! — The Transhumanist 08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Charles-Lemaire
Hey! PLZ could you give your opinion as you said on the discussion page on : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Benjamin_Charles-Lemaire TY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djumbo75 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Yang-Mills theory
Thank you for your intervention but this is a vandal not a good-faith man. He does not know Wikipedia's rule. He wants just "to kill" Frasca.--Pra1998 (talk) 14:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Capisco. Still, I'd like to give him a chance, even if he is edit-warring at this point. — Javert2113 (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Under attack again. He just changed IP. It is the page that must be protected.--Pra1998 (talk) 15:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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16:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
The issue is not whether there is a source or not (the source is clearly given, at the end of the sentence). The issue is whether it requires in text attribution, of the type "according to x, ...". Given that the fact is non-contentious, that it comes from a WP:RS, and per the real consensus on the talk page (which, despite being a tad murky, seems to be against needlessly attributing), I removed the attribution. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is fair. My apologies: I misread the situation. Thank you for your contributions! — Javert2113 (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
WikiProject Portals Overview, May 04, 2018
Thank you for being a member of the Portals WikiProject, and thank you for all the work you have all been doing on the portal namespace. To see the activity, check out the watchlist.
This is our 3rd issue, see previous issues at the Newsletter archive.
Top priority: Main list of portals needs updating
The top, and one of the most visible parts, of the portal system is Portal:Contents/Portals, which is intended to list all (completed) portals on Wikipedia.
About half of the missing existing portals have been added since this WikiProject's reboot (April 17th). Thank you to RockMagnetist, TriNitrobrick, Polyamorph, PratyushSinha101, Ganesha811, Bermicourt, Javert2113, Noyster, Ɱ, Lepricavark, XOR'easter, and Emir of Wikipedia, for working on this.
We are half-way to completion with this. We need everyone to chip in until it is done. Instructions, and the list of missing entries are at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.
I hope you'll join me there. ("Many hands make light work").
Thank you.
Membership
We're at 66 members, with more joining daily. We even have 6 WikiGnomes!
Special thanks
I have awarded Certes with a portals barnstar on his talk page for his work on the new excerpt templates that are revolutionizing the portal system (Template:Transclude lead excerpt & Template:Transclude random excerpt). If you'd like to show your appreciation, please feel free to stop by his talk page and add your signature to the barnstar itself.
Thank you Certes. You are enabling this WikiProject to get the right things done, fast.
By the way, the templates have already gone international. After being told about the templates, Mossab wrote:
Thanks You very much!. Those are fantastic and great templates! I transferred them to Arabic Wikipedia and they do a magic great job. I worked to improve portal anatomy here and i do every thing i can to improve it and i am very sad for the nomination for deletion of portals :(. I am glad to be member on WikiProject Portals and i added my name with pleasure. Kind regards
RFC
As you know, the (April 8th) proposal to delete all portals and the portal namespace inspired the reboot of this WikiProject. RfCs typically run for 30 days, which means there are 5 days left including today, before the RfC will be closed. The !votes are predominantly "oppose", but many editors have shared their disappointment with the portal system. We have our work cut out for us in correcting the problems of the portals to address their concerns. Complaints ranged from being out of date and lacking maintenance, to taking up the time of editors that they felt (due to low traffic) would be better spent improving articles.
Anti-WikiProject drama
This past week has been somewhat stressful for me, with more than a little conflict...
It culminated with my being reported at the Administrator's Noticeboard "for spamming and canvassing". This is the second time I've been reported there during the RfC; the first one was for posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages.
The accusations were 1) Posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages, 2) Adding an Article alerts section to the Portals WikiProject page, and 3) posting notices (invitations) about this WikiProject on user talk and portal talk pages.
None of which fall under the Wikipedia definitions of spamming or canvassing.
Thank you, Lionelt and Lepricavark, for coming to my rescue. I don't know how the discussion would have turned out if you had not spoken up.
The discussion was closed as "no action necessary".
After that, the person responsible posted their thoughts to my talk page. Here they are, with my response:
Congratulations, it appears your relentless targeted advertising of the RFC, your beating the RFC Supporters with a stick by posting countless times there, your dishonest insistence that Current Events was on the chopping block, and your obstruction of clean up efforts at MfD are paying dividends. Have fun playing with Portal space where no one will read your work. I'm sure someone will eventually clean up the mess when your interest wanes. Cheers. Legacypac
- Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
- Each page nominated for deletion must have a notice at the top of its page, per the deletion guideline. Not to have one there, would be unfair to those who use such pages, and would constitute a secret deletion tribunal. We don't do things that way on Wikipedia.
- As new facts became available (e.g., a motivated and thriving WikiProject to support the portals, new building blocks, etc.), it was appropriate to post the developments to the RfC, to support informed decision making.
- Proposals are literal, not figurative. The proposal specified "all portals". All means all.
- The fact is, the rebooted WikiProject is cleaning up the mess, rather rapidly. By updating and upgrading the portals, rather than getting rid of them.
- I think I'll be hanging around for awhile, but the project is more than likely to achieve critical mass and may outlive us all, due in part to the development of tools to assist editors in building, upgrading, and maintaining portals that are fully dynamic and self-updating.
- Portals are more fun to work with than ever. Thank you for your role in making this happen. You made us try even harder, and inspired us to pull together as a team. You'll have a warm place in our hearts, forever. The Transhumanist
- Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
Automatically refreshed excerpts
The main advancement we've made so far is applying selective transclusion Transclusion is template technology, showing a page on another page. Selective transclusion shows only part of that page. We use it to show excerpts that always match the source. The two templates we have so far, are Template:Transclude lead excerpt and Template:Transclude random excerpt.
Obsoleting subpages
Excerpts are migrating toward the base page of each portal, and where this is done, a subpage is no longer needed.
Template:Transclude lead excerpt will be able to be used to put the intro excerpt directly on the portal page, rather than on an intro subpage, once we adapt a portal design to accommodate this.
Template:Transclude random excerpt is currently being used on 1st-level subpages, and eliminates the need for 2nd-level subpages. (Many portals have 2 levels of subpages).
There are about 1500 portals, but there are around 148,000 subpages in portal space. Further discussions are needed to develop designs and components that do not require them.
It is my hope that the portal of the future will be a single page, or close to it, pulling in excerpts from specified dynamic sources (like category pages), filtered by ratings. This would obviate the need for subpages at all (except for maybe the header and footer subpages, which store a portal's settings). A more likely near-term solution would be subpages with a list maintained by a bot, or editors using semi-automatic tools.
New portals
Since the reboot, a new portal has been created:
Please watchlist these pages
Some central pages in the portal system. The more eyes on them, the better.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals
- User:The Transhumanist (there's a fair amount of portal project traffic on my talk page these days)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 1
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 2
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 3
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 4
- Wikipedia:Portal:Portal Example portal. And funny.
- Portal:Contents/Portals
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Culture and the arts
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Geography and places
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Health and fitness
- Portal:Contents/Portals/History and events
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Infobox
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Intro
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Mathematics and logic
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Natural and physical sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/People and self
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Philosophy and thinking
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Portal nav footer
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Reference
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Religion and belief systems
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Society and social sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Technology and applied sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Topic
Wrapping up...
There's more in the works, like a rating system, further redesigns, etc. Keep an eye on the discussions on the project's talk page. They should start showing up there soon.
Hope to see you there. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 06:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Urgent request regarding an editor who ignores WP:RS
I recently thanked you for reverting an edit at Draft evasion. I urgently need your help there.
Over the last ten days, Clupo1 has been attempting to add information to that article based on unreliable sources. Twice now, I have explained to him why his chosen source was unreliable, the second time in great detail, as you can see from the bottom of that article's Talk page. However, yesterday he added more material from another and – as you can see – laughably unreliable source, https://thevietnamwar.info/vietnam-war-draft/
Obviously, I am not capable of reaching him – perhaps because he is in college and I'm in my 70s. Or perhaps he is just not willing to listen. Either way, the Draft evasion article depends for its crediblity on using only highly reliable sources as defined at WP:RS. It cannot afford to be degraded.
Would you please therefore intervene here, perhaps by definitively communicating to Clupo1 that he cannot enter information into the Draft evasion article (or elsewhere!) using unreliable sources? Thank you for being here, I will watch this space in case you care to speak to me directly. Best, - Babel41 (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
P.S. I am not happy to say this, but it is possible that Clupo1 uses several identities, and that he may be the very same person whose edit you reverted and – much more seriously – the one who three times attempted to damage the Mark Satin article (an article I brought to Featured Article status and discuss on my User page) a couple of days after I first reverted Clupo1's material. Fortunately, three different senior WP editors reverted those three ill-meant edits almost immediately. Nothing like this had happened there for years. - Babel41 (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Hello, Babel41. I'd like to apologize for being somewhat preoccupied with other matters today, but I'll do what I can to assist you. Thank you for all you've done and do. — Javert2113 (talk) 03:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- I cannot thank you enough for this, Javert, and to say you are "somrwhat preoccupied" is clearly an understatement given what's below. Alas, I have just seen an ALERT informing me that "There has been a failed attempt to log in to your account from a new device". That only stokes the suspicions I expressed in my P.S. above. Can you or anyone at WP investigate whether there is a connection between what I describe in my P.S. and the person who has just attempted to penetrate my account? (Question probably reveals my haplessness with computer technology, sigh.) Or should I just not worry about this? I have been, I guess, remarkably lucky in my relations with people on WP ... have no idea what the protocol is here. Best, - Babel41 (talk) 02:58, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, please don't mention it; I'm only doing what an editor ought to do. I'm unsure as to the cause of the failed attempt; and I'm afraid I lack the tools to determine precisely how to help. I would advise the standard procedures used in information security, like those listed in WP:SECURITY: namely, having a strong password of letters, numbers, and symbols; using care with public and unsecured networks; and possibly looking into secret phrases and SHA-512 hashing, which may help prevent someone from stealing your account entirely. Honestly, I've received these messages about failed attempts, as well, but so long as you have a strong password, I think you'll be fine. Nevertheless, as I'm only just another Wikipedia editor, and certainly not an information security expert, I cannot speculate on the veracity of that assertion; after all, constant vigilance with regards to one's passwords cannot hurt. — Javert2113 (talk) 03:38, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I cannot thank you enough for this, Javert, and to say you are "somrwhat preoccupied" is clearly an understatement given what's below. Alas, I have just seen an ALERT informing me that "There has been a failed attempt to log in to your account from a new device". That only stokes the suspicions I expressed in my P.S. above. Can you or anyone at WP investigate whether there is a connection between what I describe in my P.S. and the person who has just attempted to penetrate my account? (Question probably reveals my haplessness with computer technology, sigh.) Or should I just not worry about this? I have been, I guess, remarkably lucky in my relations with people on WP ... have no idea what the protocol is here. Best, - Babel41 (talk) 02:58, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Another RfC on Net Neutrality
A month ago you participated in an RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 147#Net neutrality. The same proposal has been posted again at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal: A US-only CentralNotice in support of Net Neutrality. (This notice has been sent to all who participated in the prior RfC, regardless of which side they supported). --Guy Macon (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the notice. — Javert2113 (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Wikimedia Commons mobile app has a new version. It is now easier to find nearby places that need pictures. It helps you with direct uploads and title and category suggestions. The app only works on Android phones. [9]
Problems
- The abuse filters had a problem with blocks where you had changed how long they last. It used the default length everywhere. This was in late April. Abuse filter users should make sure the right block length is used and change them if needed. This is only for filters where how long blocks last had been changed. [10]
Changes later this week
- The advanced search function beta feature will be on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. [11]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 May. It will be on all wikis from 10 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 16 May. Other wikis will switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. [12][13]
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16:28, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Pending changes reviewer granted
Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.
Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.
See also:
- Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes, the guideline on reviewing
- Wikipedia:Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes
- Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.
WikiProject Portals update, 11 May 2018
We've grown to 73 members, and morale is high. Thank you for joining. Here is some news, and some tasks...
The RfC will be closed soon...
2018-05-11: preparations are being made to close the RfC. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals.
When there, be sure to notice the consultation link.
We're trying to get a prototypical single-page portal developed in time to show the RfC closers before they make their final decision. You can help. It's Portal:Humanism. So far, we've applied selective transclusion (automation) to excerpts, and have made the following sections without subpages: intro, selected article, selected biography, categories, related portals, wikiprojects, things to do, and wikimedia. Eight down, 4 to go, plus 2 formatting subpages (not sure we can migrate those). Automating every section, would also be nice.
Main objectives
Our main objectives currently, are:
- Replace static excerpts with selective transclusions, so that the excerpts always stay fresh (that is, match the source content). We are now doing this on the portal base page as much as possible, to reduce the number of subpages that are needed. See #2...
- Migrate the functions of subpages to the portal base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space. We aim to make these obsolete by using templates and other calls from the portal base pages.
- Improve portal design to make portals self-update. Semi-dynamic sections update from a static list, as used in {{Transclude random excerpt}}. Fully-dynamic sections would update from a list maintained elsewhere on Wikipedia, like a category. We haven't found a way to do this yet, other than to create a bot (which we will probably need to do).
Maintenance pass #1: Upgrading the intro section
The intro section of many portals transcludes an "Intro" subpage that has an excerpt in it.
We're replacing that with a selective transclusion directly in the intro section, bypassing the subpage. Though, there's a little more to it...
For instructions, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Transclude intro excerpt directly on the portal base page.
Please skip Portal:American Civil War, as that is specifically being maintained by hand.
Maintenance pass #2: Obsoleting the Wikimedia subpages
One of the sections on many portals links to sister projects on the subject. This needlessly takes a subpage. The subpage can be made obsolete by using the template {{Wikimedia for portals}} directly on the portal base page.
This has been done for several hundred portals so far.
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Obsolete a Wikimedia subpage for instructions.
Maintenance pass #3: calling the category tree from the portal base page
Certes figured out how...
{{subst:Text|<category|tree>}}{{subst:PAGENAME}}{{subst:Text|</categorytree>}}
For more information, see the thread Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Rendering PAGENAME inside categorytree tag doesn't work (it does now).
More to come...
In the meantime, see ya around the portals! — The Transhumanist 15:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 15:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Moving aggrieved editor's comments down from former location, after Welcome to the WPA!
The sourcing of this antifact is incorrect.
Where is Emerson's name on the document?
Who can prove he "offered his services as a sharpshooter"??
You are not from Hawai'i, so you do not know the passions inflamed by false misinformation like this.
Dr. Emerson made countless contributions to Hawaiian culture and you cut him down with your last fake paragraph.
Do not change it back.
It is incorrect, just like the majority of Wikipedia.
Are you proud to spread misinformation???
Huaka'i Emerson (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Huaka'i Emerson - Do not badger other editors like this, and take this dispute to the article's talk page. You're expected to remain civil with your collaboration with other editors and to resolve disputes properly - continuing to edit war or cause disruption will result in a longer block being placed on your account. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, hey, Oshwah! Just wanted to say that I don't mind WP:TPS, and thank you for your anti-vandalism efforts! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 17:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Javert2113! Sorry if my reply here imposed on you in any way - I saw this user's message here and I wanted to make sure that the user understood that this was not the correct way to go about resolving the dispute. Thanks for the kind words, and I hope you have a great rest of your day :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Quite all right, Oshwah; as I said earlier, I don't mind it, and it certainly didn't impose on me at all. Have a wonderful day, too! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 17:20, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Javert2113! Sorry if my reply here imposed on you in any way - I saw this user's message here and I wanted to make sure that the user understood that this was not the correct way to go about resolving the dispute. Thanks for the kind words, and I hope you have a great rest of your day :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, hey, Oshwah! Just wanted to say that I don't mind WP:TPS, and thank you for your anti-vandalism efforts! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 17:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
A beer for you!
For being my first real talk page stalker, helping other editors and nicely explaining problems when I lack the words to. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC) |
- Aw, shucks, I don't deserve this. You, on the other hand, you're one of the kindest editors I know, always willing to lend a hand with AGF and COI issues, and never losing his temper. But I thank you all the same, ToBeFree. — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 18:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'll watchlist your talk page as well -- just note that my watchlist regularly grows to >1000 entries before I decide to clean it up again, and this process repeats every few weeks. Talk pages of users with a userpage are easy to identify and exclude when purging the list. Should I ever accidentally remove your page from my watchlist, I'll remember re-adding it whenever I see you the next time. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Quite all right. And you have my full permission to talk-page stalk me at any time! That reminds me, you might have a slight grammatical error on your talk page: "like [to] have". I'm not sure though, and it's honestly a bit rude for me to bring it up, but I couldn't help but notice it. That's all! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 18:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- (rubs eyes in disbelief) Daaamn you're right! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ToBeFree&diff=841239448&oldid=841081124&diffmode=source :D ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- It's all good. Took me at least a dozen times before seeing it. — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 18:43, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- (rubs eyes in disbelief) Daaamn you're right! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ToBeFree&diff=841239448&oldid=841081124&diffmode=source :D ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Quite all right. And you have my full permission to talk-page stalk me at any time! That reminds me, you might have a slight grammatical error on your talk page: "like [to] have". I'm not sure though, and it's honestly a bit rude for me to bring it up, but I couldn't help but notice it. That's all! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 18:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Dynamic maps are now available on most Wikipedias. Labels on maps can also be in different languages.
- The new Advanced Search interface is now available as a Beta Feature on all wikis. This makes it easier to learn about and to use many of the powerful options in our search. Feedback is appreciated. [14]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 May. It will be on all wikis from 17 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- In the mobile view, warnings for when something is wrong with a page are not as clear as they should be. The developers are working on this. You can give feedback and suggestions.
- The developers are working on making the Wikipedia Android app available in more languages. You can give feedback, suggestions and help test it. Read more on mediawiki.org [15]
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22:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!
- Hi Javert2113! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
-- 15:22, Tuesday, April 10, 2018 (UTC)
Mission 1 | Mission 2 | Mission 3 | Mission 4 | Mission 5 | Mission 6 | Mission 7 |
Say Hello to the World | An Invitation to Earth | Small Changes, Big Impact | The Neutral Point of View | The Veil of Verifiability | The Civility Code | Looking Good Together |
Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!
- Hi Javert2113! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
-- 14:47, Sunday, May 6, 2018 (UTC)
Mission 1 | Mission 2 | Mission 3 | Mission 4 | Mission 5 | Mission 6 | Mission 7 |
Say Hello to the World | An Invitation to Earth | Small Changes, Big Impact | The Neutral Point of View | The Veil of Verifiability | The Civility Code | Looking Good Together |
Portals WikiProject update, 15 May 2018
We are at 74 members. If you know anyone who might find this WikiProject interesting, please invite them.
The RfC has ended
The RfC was closed May 11th, and a closing statement was posted May 12th which says "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time."
Ongoing tasks
Some major activities that we are in the middle of include:
- Adding the missing existing portals to the main portals list at Portal:Contents/Portals. Instructions are on the talk page. There are about 125 portals left to be processed. (There were 400). Keep up the good work!
- Development discussions on how to migrate the subpages to the base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space, associated with the various sections on a typical portal. We are trying to obsolete them section type by section type. Currently, we're working on obsoleting the intro subpages and the "selected articles" subpages. Please join in.
Other tasks
- The list of portals not ready to be listed on the main list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see them - they are marked Not ready). They are incomplete. If you want a specific portal to work on, please consider choosing one from that list.
- Over the years, some incomplete portals (portals under construction) got added to Portal:Contents/Portals. Therefore, every portal listed there needs to be inspected, and any that are incomplete should be removed from that list and added to the not ready list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see it). On Portal:Contents/Portals, I'm already almost done inspecting the portals in the culture section, and so you can skip those. The types of things to look for are empty sections (most will have a redlinked subpage), lack of "selected" sections, portal stubs with just an intro and end sections, and very poor layout (like seriously unbalanced columns).
Portal-building resources
During his work on portals, Broter found a quote randomizer. It is {{Random quotation}}.
Trailblazer: approaching the one-page portal
Broter has transformed the Portal:Community of Christ so it is comprised of only 3 pages in portal space: the base page, its box-header subpage, and its box-footer subpage. Its other other subpages are now obsolete and are waiting for deletion. Nice job, Broter!
Well, that's all for now. See ya around the portals. — The Transhumanist 06:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 May. It will be on all wikis from 24 May (calendar).
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Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018
We have grown to 79 members.
Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown, Cactus.man, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.
A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.
Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...
New news template ready for testing
Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...
{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.
Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"
See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.
Thank you, Evad.
Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)
Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...
Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.
Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.
Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.
Thank you.
Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.
New portal, still needs work
- Portal:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, courtesy of Mozart834428196. See also, the discussion.
Drafting a new portals guideline
Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.
See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.
See also the discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines#RfC on new portal guidelines
RfC on new TOC layout for main portal list
There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at Portal:Contents/Portals.
See: Portal talk:Contents/Portals#RFC on layout update.
Deletion discussion survivors
Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...
- Portal:Quidditch survived its 2nd deletion nomination
- Portal:Prehistory of Antarctica did the same
Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.
Portal space clean up
While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{Db-p1}} or {{Db-p2}}). Essentially, they were bare skeletons, with maybe a little meat on them. The plus here is that speedy deletion is without prejudice to re-creating the portals. They can easily be restarted from scratch without getting approval, or be undeleted by request by someone willing to work on them. We have kept track of these, for when someone wants to rebuild them. They are listed at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.
We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.
There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.
For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:
{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}
Then an admin will come along and delete them.
Please help list the unlisted portals!
There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals. There were 400, so we've come a long way. Thank you! But we are not done yet...
Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.
The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.
I hope to see you there!
Wrapping up
These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon. — The Transhumanist 00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Whoa, I missed one...
There's an article about the Portals WikiProject in the new issue of Signpost:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report
Enjoy.
P.S.: We now have 80 members. Evad37 just joined! — The Transhumanist 01:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now use global preferences on most wikis. This means you can set preferences for all wikis at the same time. Before this you had to change them on each individual wiki. Global preferences will come to the Wikipedias later this week. [16][17]
- It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked. [18]
- Wikidata now supports lexicographical data. This helps describe words.
- There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups. [19]
- Some rare invisible Unicode characters have recently been banned from page titles. This includes soft hyphens (U+00AD) and left-to-right (U+2066) and right-to-left (U+2067) isolate markers. Existing pages with these characters will soon be moved by a script. [20]
- There's a new Wikimedia Foundation team to support the Wikimedia technical communities. It's called the Technical Engagement team. Most of the team members did similar work in other teams before this. [21]
Problems
- Some translatable pages are showing old translations instead of latest ones. The cause of this issue has been fixed. We will update all pages automatically to show the latest translations. [22]
Changes later this week
- There will be a new special page named PasswordPolicies. This page gives information about the password rules for each user group on that wiki. [23]
- A new way to see moved paragraphs in diffs is coming to most wikis. This is to make it easier to find the moved paragraphs and the changes in them. [24]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 May. It will be on all wikis from 31 May (calendar).
- Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. This is complex. The tool will now disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. It has warned about this in the JavaScript console since February. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [25]
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Content Translation drafts which have not been updated in over a year will be removed. This allows other users to translate those articles. [26]
- A survey is collecting information on what users think about how Wikimedia wiki pages are loaded. This information could be used in future development. [27]
- Some wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 30 May and 13 June. Wikis with fewer than 100 linter issues in the main namespace in all high-priority linter categories will switch. This includes Wikidata. Tidy will probably be removed on all wikis in the first week of July. [28][29]
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12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #007, 31 May 2018
We have grown to 89 members.
This is the seventh issue of this newsletter. For previous issues, see our newsletter archive.
Welcome
A warm welcome to our nearly one dozen new members...
Our new members include:
- Evad37
- Checkingfax
- Grey Wanderer
- Voceditenore
- TestPAKISTAN
- Godsy
- Greatedits1
- Charlesdrakew
- Ww2censor
- Simon Burchell
- TheGridExe
Be sure to say "hi" and welcome them to the team.
The portal set has shrunk
There were 1515 portals, but now we have 1475, because we speedy deleted a bunch of incompleted portals that had been sitting around for ages, that were empty shells or had very little content. Because they were speedied, they can be rebuilt from scratch without acquiring approval from WP:DRV.
Maintenance runs on the portals set have begun
This is what we have been gearing up for: upgrading the portals en masse, using AWB.
More than half of the Associated Wikimedia sections have been converted to no longer use a subpage. This chore will probably be completed over the next week or two. Many thanks to the WikiGnome Squad, who have added an Associated Wikimedia section to the many geography-related portals that lacked one. The rest of the subjects await. :)
The next maintenance drive will be on the intro sections. Notices have gone out to the WikiProjects for which one or more portals fall within their subject scope. Once enough time has elapsed for them to respond (1 week), AWB processing of intro sections will begin.
Thank you, you
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your part in the RfC. I went back and reread much of it. I believe your enthusiasm played a major part in turning the tide on there. I'm proud of all of you.
Why reread that mess, you ask?
To harvest ideas, and to keep the problems that need to be fixed firmly in mind. But, also to keep in touch. See below...
Thank yous all around
I've contacted all of the other opposers of the RfC proposal to delete portals, to thank them for their support, and to assure them that their decision was not made in vain. I updated them on our activities, provided the link to the interviews about this project in the Signpost, pointed out our newsletter archive so they can keep up-to-date with what we are doing, and I invited them all to come and have a look-see at our operations (on our talk page).
Sockpuppet, and reverting his work
It so happened that one of our members was a sockpuppet: JLJ001. According to the admin who blocked him, he was a particularly tricky long term abuser. This is a weird situation, since the user was quite helpful. He will be missed.
This has been somewhat disruptive, because admins are doing routine deletions of the pages (portals, templates, etc.) he created, and reversion of his edits (I don't know if they will be reverting all of them). Please bear with them, as they are only doing what is best in the long run.
The following pages have been deleted by the admins so far, that I know of:
- Portal:Plymouth
- Portal:Bedfordshire
- Portal:Suffolk
- Portal:Norfolk
- User:JLJ001/tag
- Template:Non-standard portal flag
- Template:Portal flag
Automation so far, section by section...
- Intro – {{Transclude lead excerpt}}
- Selected article – {{Transclude random excerpt}}
- In the news – {{Transclude selected current events}}
- Associated Wikimedia –
{{Wikimedia for portals|species=no|voy=no}}
- Categories –
{{#tag:categorytree|{{PAGENAME}}}}
Automatic article alerts is up and running
Automatic article alerts are now featured on the project page.
Some super out-of-date entries kept showing up on there, so posting it on the Project page was delayed. Thanks to Evad37 and AfroThundr for providing solutions on this one. Evad37 adjusted the workflow settings per Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing#Choosing workflows, to make sure only the appropriate page types show up. AfroThundr removed the tags from the old entries that caused them to keep showing up in the article alerts.
Other things that could use some automation
Noyster pointed out that it would be nice to automate the updating of the portals section at the Community bulletin board.
Another major component of the portal system is the main list of portals, at Portal:Contents/Portals. How would we go about automating the updating of that?
Please post your ideas on the WikiProject's talk page. Thank you.
Deletion discussion survivors
Keep in mind that we have already speedy deleted almost all of the nearly empty portals, which can be rebuilt without approval whenever it is convenient to do so. Other portals should be completed if at all possible rather than delete them through MfD (which requires approval from Deletion review to rebuild).
- Portal:Juanes – see the discussion
(Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page).
Portals needing repair
Wrapping up
There's still more, but it will have to wait until next issue.
Until then, see ya around the project. — The Transhumanist 12:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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- The MonoBook skin has been optimised for mobile devices. It now looks different. [30]
- Planet Wikimedia collects blogs about Wikimedia. It will now use the Rawdog feed aggregator to do this instead of Planet. [31][32]
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- You will not be able to edit some wikis between 06:00 and 06:30 UTC on 13 June. You can see if your wiki is one of them.
- MassMessage did not work 24–28 May. This is also why last week's Tech News was late. [34]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 June. It will be on all wikis from 7 June (calendar).
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Portals WikiProject update #008, 7 June 2018
The WikiProject now has 92 participants, including 16 admins.
Welcome
A warm welcome to the newest members of the team:
Be sure to say hi.
Congrats
Pbsouthwood has just gotten through the grueling RfA process to become a Wikipedia administrator. Be sure to congratulate him.
The reason he went for it was: "For some time I expect to be busy with subpage deletion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals as mentioned above. The amount of work is expected to keep me busy for some time. I am primarly a content creator and contributor to policy discussions, but would be willing to consider other admin work on request, providing that I feel that my involvement would be appropriate and not too far outside my comfort zone."
New feature: Picture slideshow
Evad37 has figured out a way to let the user flip through pictures without purging the page. Purging is awkward because there is an intermediary confirmation screen that you have to click on "yes". In the new picture slideshow section, all you have to do is click on the >
to go to the next picture or <
to instantly show the previous feature. The feature also shuffles the pictures when the page is initiated, so that they are shown in a different order each time the user visits the page (or purges it).
It is featured in Portal:Sacramento, California. Check it out to the right.
Keep in mind that the feature is a beta version. Please share your comments on how to refine this feature, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Refining the Picture slideshow.
The one-page portal has been achieved
We now have a one-page portal design. It isn't fully automated, nor is it even fully semi-automated, as there are still some manually filled-in areas. But it no longer requires any subpages in portal space, and that is a huge improvement. For example, Portal:Sacramento, California utilizes the one-page design concept. While is employs heavy use of templates, it does not have any subpages of its own.
I commend you for your teamwork
This is the most cooperative team I've ever seen. With a strong spirit of working together to get an important job done. Kudos to you.
In conclusion...
There's more. A lot more. But it will have to wait until next issue, but you don't have to wait. See what's going on at the WikiProject's talk page. — The Transhumanist 02:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Barefoot Bay
I have lived in Barefoot Bay for many years. The "mobile home" claim originates from a logo that was created early on in the history of the development. It was and is an unfortunate error. Please do a Google Map street view walk through yourself. It is as I claim. There is not a single mobile home in the entire district. Respectfully, please do not revert the correction again. 65.34.30.154 (talk) 01:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- My apologies for my late response. While I likely will not be editing on Barefoot Bay again, could you please a source for the manufactured homes claim? Thank you, and have a wonderful evening! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 02:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Deletion of ExportsIndia
Hey Javert2113
I think you deleted the page exports india that I created today. While I agree on the language part of it, I Wanted to highlight that they are notable since the portal in India is amongst the likes of Ali Baba (China) as indicated by the article on Entrepreneur.com. Also, the unique aspect about them is not taking funding or loans and scaling without external support which is inspirational for many entrepreneurs in India. Wanted to request you to reconsider the deletion. Thanks.
Waqaralamwiki (talk) 17:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Waqaralamwiki:
- Hello! Yes, I agree that the language was sufficiently promotional to merit deletion on those grounds alone. However, I would like to point you to WP:ORGCRIT, as well, which lays out our guidelines for notability regarding organizations and companies. So far as I can tell, while unique aspects tend to be useful for matters of coverage and notability, they do not necessarily ensure that notability can be conferred on a particular entity. The content used as references for the article also seemed to give the company scant notice, too, as I recall (though I may be mistaken). As such, because notability requires verifiability, the notability of the article seemed dubious, as well. Finally, on the subject of any reconsideration of the deletion: as I am not an administrator, I have no control over the deletion of articles; I can simply nominate them for deletion. You would most likely want to discuss this with Seraphimblade on his talk page, as he was the administrator who undertook such an action. Best of luck, and thank you again for contributing to Wikipedia! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 17:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
your undo on Felidae
Anything mentioning the "cat economist" Roland Baines or Roland Atwood Baines is a hoax by yet another sock of a blocked editor. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/RJCola. Meters (talk) 19:10, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Good to know, Meters. I, admittedly, wasn't aware of that, and I thought it was a simple error regarding the family Felidae (as compared to F. catus. Thank you for your warning. — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 19:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oh no, not a warning at all. It was just a heads up so you know who it is if you run across him again. A very annoying and prolific hoaxer... Meters (talk) 19:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, then, thanks for the notice. I'll keep my eyes peeled. Quite a prolific vandal. (I, uh, also didn't read that bit about the cat economist very closely, I admit. Will do better next time.) — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 19:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, he sneakily buried that one. Most of his edits are much more obvious garbage. Meters (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, then, thanks for the notice. I'll keep my eyes peeled. Quite a prolific vandal. (I, uh, also didn't read that bit about the cat economist very closely, I admit. Will do better next time.) — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 19:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oh no, not a warning at all. It was just a heads up so you know who it is if you run across him again. A very annoying and prolific hoaxer... Meters (talk) 19:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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Adding references for Julie Sype listing
I'm progressively adding in citations to verify Julie Sype's acting writing and producing credits. I'm having trouble getting my head around this but the notification for deletion is coming up faster than I can do this. Any guidance that you can provide would be appreciated! but it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Researchguy100 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Researchguy100: Hello, and thank you for your contributions. First, and foremost, I'd like to stress that the usage of IMDb is somewhat contentious around here, given its propensities for user-generated content, thus raising questions of reliable sourcing. Second, the link you provided in support of Cupcake & Dino: General Services fails to mention Ms. Sype, even in passing, and probably cannot and should not be used to support her notability. I'm sorry that the notification for deletion is bothering you. And I hope my advice helps. Best of luck! —Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 20:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Javert2113: - Thank you for the quick response!! It seems like we have a conundrum: IMDB is the main site where all production credits are listed and it is used by the industry but as IMDB is unreliable it can't be used as a credible source by Wikipedia! The issue for most cast and crew is that unless you have the highest possible profile as an actor or production executive you will never get mentioned in a press release. How do we solve this puzzle? Happy for any guidance that you can provide!
- @Researchguy100: Hello again. I'm honestly not sure how to solve this conundrum. Perhaps there are alternative sources one can use to find production credits? I really wish I had an answer, but I don't, I'm afraid. —Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 14:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Researchguy100: An addendum: you may wish to inquire over at the Entertainment reference desk. They may have an answer to this problem, about which neither of us know. —Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 14:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- In the Wikipedia app for Android or iOS users can create reading lists. The reading lists can be seen on different devices if you are logged in to your account. There is now a browser extension so you can add pages to your reading list from a web browser. At the moment it works with Firefox and Chrome. [37]
- There is a new version of Pywikibot. Pywikibot is a tool to automate tasks on MediaWiki wikis. [38]
Problems
- The MonoBook skin was changed to make it work better for mobile users. This caused some problems. The change was rolled back to fix them. The new version is now back on the wikis. MonoBook users can opt out from the new responsive design. [39]
Changes later this week
- The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. For most wikis this will happen on 18 June. For the rest it will happen on 25 June. [40][41]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 June. It will be on all wikis from 14 June (calendar).
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21:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
fake accusation of vandalism
IDid nothing wrong.all I did was get some facts of the internet and inject my information into this free amazing Encyclopedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowbanana69 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- You know, I had a feeling this would happen. First, let me dispense with the charge of vandalism: it was a violation of our policy of neutral point of view, and, as such, qualifies. Look, here's the thing: opinions are good things to have, but this encyclopaedia is not the right venue for you to express them about your school, college, or university. We're kind of serious folks here, and the article you edited didn't exactly paint a completely factual picture of your educational institution. Moreover, hey: I get it. School sucks sometimes. You know, I didn't like my secondary schooling either. It was boring, the food was terrible, and the schedule was too rigorous for me (or for any teenager, for that matter). But as much as I disliked my schooling, I didn't come on Wikipedia to waste my time to launch a diatribe against my school. It would have wasted the time of others, in terms of clean-up and reverting (even if only a second or two), and it wouldn't have gotten me anywhere. My point is this: you can yell about your school all you like on Twitter or Facebook or Snapchat, or on a blog, or what have you. Here, though, even if we sympathize with you (and we at least empathize with you), we can't allow the non-factual opinions of individuals to override the facts. And, look, it's kind of a waste of your time and my time to add opinionated content to articles. Wouldn't you rather do research about, say, video games you like; or chemical formulae that intrigue you; or whatever appeals to you; and maybe improve our content in that regard, than engage in a frivolous and futile exercise that benefits no one? Just a thought. —Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 20:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Speedy deletion contested: Patty Paine
Hello Javert2113. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Patty Paine, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Being an associate professor at VCU School of the Arts is a fair CCS, further she is indexed on GScholar. Article, while trying to be complete, is not obviously promotional. Take this to AFD if attempts at WP:ATD fails. Thank you. Sam Sailor 15:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #009, 15 June 2018
Selected animals
Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.
Almost done...
With the portals upgrades?
No. :)
What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!
There are 23 portals left to be listed.
Kudos to the WikiGnome Squadron, for spearheading this.
Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to Portal:Contents/Portals.
Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...
Associated Wikimedia section conversion task complete
The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.
So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).
Further section conversions (using AWB)
Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.
If you would like to help, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections
Further section conversions (by hand)
Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows.
Quality rating system for portals under development
Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See the discussion.
What's coming: excerpt slideshows
Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner.
Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See the discussion.
Wow
I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :) — The Transhumanist 11:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
HTML cleanup
Could you please change the <font face ="Courier New"> ... </font>
in your sig to <span style="font-family: 'Courier New';"> ... </span>
? The font
tag hasn't really existed in HTML for over a decade, and using it here triggers entries, for every page it's used in, in the HTML "lint" cleanup lists. We're trying to move to pure HTML5 over time, and this just adds a lot to the workload. PS: You'll actually get better results with <span style="font-family: monospace;"> ... </span>
rather than calling a specific font that may not exist on someone else's system; the generic monospace
uses whatever the user's default monospace font is (which would likely be Courier New in Windows, but something else on Macs, Unix/Linux systems, Android, iOS, etc. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:03, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, sure! Thanks for the heads-up, SMcCandlish, I had no idea! —Javert2113 (Let's chat! | Contributions) 03:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- Huzzah! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 11:25, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Request
Hello,
I hope I am using this correctly. If possible can you please undo the mistake that I made by deleting David Williams (professor)'s whole page. I would like to edit the page after conducting an interview with him but I did not mean to delete the whole page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorelle.audrea (talk • contribs) 00:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Lorelle.audrea: I'm afraid I am unable to (due to the three-revert limit we have here), but you can do it: if you click the "undo" button by the edit you'd like to revert, you can add the information back in. You may also like Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a great tutorial about things like original research and our editing philosophy! Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions! —Javert2113 (Let's chat!|Contributions) 01:05, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Signature
Hi Javert! We learn something new every day here. On Template:Did you know nominations/Giulia Bongiorno my edit would not show in preview. The culprit is the pipe in the middle of your signature. Change
([[User talk:Javert2113|Let's chat!]]|[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|Contributions]])
to
([[User talk:Javert2113|Let's chat!]] [[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|Contributions]])
Thanks, Sam Sailor 07:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, Sam. Terribly sorry about that. (My signature has been breaking templates lately, I'm afraid, but I think we can get to the bottom of this.) Per your request, I've changed my signature to something that shouldn't break the previews anymore. Again, my apologies, and thank you for bringing this to my attention. —Javert2113 (Siarad. · ⁂) 13:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- It works, thanks! Sam Sailor 17:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Syntax highlighting has been a beta feature on Wikimedia wikis with text written from left to right. It is now a normal feature. It is based on CodeMirror. [42]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
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- Some old web browsers will not be able to read the Wikimedia wikis. This is because they use an insecure way to connect to them. This means that we get less security for everyone else too. This affects about 0.08% of all traffic to the Wikimedia wikis. This affects for example those who read Wikipedia on a PlayStation 3. [43][44]
- The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. Because there is no new MediaWiki version this week it will happen on 25 June for most wikis. For the rest it will happen in early July. [45][46]
- All wikis that have not already done so will switch to use the Remex parsing library on 5 July. This is to replace Tidy. You can help fix remaining errors. [47]
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