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Your request for adminship

Hi Jackmcbarn, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations on the success and for your place on WP:RFX100. I should mention, however, that while your request was a pass, it would still be wise to take into consideration the concerns raised by the opposition. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth a read and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere. All being said and done, good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 20:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations Jackmcbarn! You might have received some opposition, but the support !votes nearly doubled what I got at my RfA. Popular guy you are! By the way, sorry for the mishap in removing/adding the mass message sender right, I guess that's not included in the admin bundle. As you might know, neither is edit filter manager, which you can just add yourself, should you want to. Anyways, congrats again. Look forward to working with you! — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: Actually, that is part of the admin bundle. I've re-removed it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your successful RfA, Jack. I don't believe that we have had occasion to interact before, but I hope you won't mind if I drop by your talk page from time to time with a wiki code question or two. Cheers -- I hope you enjoy a long and productive admin career. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Gratz and best wishes. - Dank (push to talk) 20:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

• Congrats Jack and good luck in the future! ///EuroCarGT 21:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

My most sincere congratulations, administrator Jackmcbarn. I'm glad you survived the opposition. :) --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Well done, have a t-shirt... :-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. You've got your t-shirt, so get to work! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

• Congratulations! That RfA was closer than I expected - and closer than I think you deserved - but I'm glad that it all went ok in the end. Good luck with your new tools! — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 22:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I never doubted you'd pass Jack, well done!  Philg88 ^♦talk 22:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

• Congratulations, Jack! I'm sure you'll make a great admin! --Biblioworm 22:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
• Congrats. Hopefully you understand that the opposers aren't your enemies (as a matter of fact, I'm good friends with many of the opposers from my RFA). They often raise concerns everyone has, we all just have different thresholds to support, so I hope you do take the concerns to heart. Personally, I'm sure you will do fine. Dennis - 2¢ 00:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Welcome to the ranks. Let me know if you want to apply for any of the cabals, I am in most of them. Chillum 00:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Much congrats! But hey, you know, adminship isn't a big deal, so whatever. :) Steel1943 (talk) 01:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• I'll add myself to the list, Jack, congratulating you. I agree with Mr. Stradivarius's comments above. I hope you don't mind if I still come to you for technical help. I now have to go to my talk page to find out who's complaining and about what. Perhaps I should offer my condolences. :-) Best.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:37, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Congrats Jack!--v/r - TP 05:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Glad to see you are already at work! I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 06:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• congrats to our first new Admin in more than two months! You've probably already found it or written something better, but there is some useful code that a kind person put in my monobook - a dropdown menu for block messages. Of course in an ideal world that would be part of the interface.... ϢereSpielChequers 07:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Congratulations! --j⚛e decker^talk 15:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Late congrats! → Call me Hahc21 18:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Very late, but congratulations for your successful RfA, and on a lesser note, for being the first new administrator in a long time, like WereSpielChequers said... – Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Congratulations on becoming an admin! Have a beer on the house! :P — Cirt (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! Do a good job! Be nice! EatingGlassIsBad (talk) 16:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for sorting out that blocking error. Looks like you just became an admin, so congrats on that!--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Yaksar

Good job on User:Yaksar, was about to unblock him/her. Sinebot not fast enough to separate wheat from chaff, apparently. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and congrats and welcome to the most maligned group on the web. LOL :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. Jackmcbarn (talk)

I have activated your account on UTRS. Thanks for volunteering.--v/r - TP 05:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

@TParis: Thanks! By the way, are there instructions for the UTRS interface anywhere? I can't find any. Jackmcbarn (talk) 13:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

No, unfortunately there is not. The closest thing we have is this: File:Unblock_Ticket_Request_System_-_Privacy_Overview.pdf. It covers the workflow and some of the features. But otherwise, the system is mostly what you make of it. I can meet you on IRC and walk you through handling a ticket, though, if you like.--v/r - TP 16:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Fassbender (company)

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You delated my page Fassbender (company) claiming Copyright breach. This copyright was my own and the website is my own! Please can you return thIS page?

Eeggman (talk) 09:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

@Eeggman: If you own the copyright, you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials to allow it to be used on Wikipedia. There's another issue, however: If that's your company, per our guidelines at WP:PSCOI, you really shouldn't write an article about it. You should use the WP:AFC process instead. Jackmcbarn (talk) 13:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Congratulatory note

Even though I opposed your candidacy, due to your lack of work in the mainspace, I wanted to congratulate you on passing your RFA. Please take it slow with the more disruptive tools in your new kit, particularly the block and delete buttons. Those are the tools most associated with damage to the mainspace and its contributors, and I wish more administrators would think 2 or 3 times before using them. Wishing you the best as a new administrator, LHM^{ask me a question} 18:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

You do need experience using the block button, though. Perhaps Lithistman volunteers? lol I kid I kid.--v/r - TP 19:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I recommend blocking Jimbo. That couldn't possibly end poorly, right? In all seriousness, though, the block button is best used primarily (if not only) on blatant vandals and users whose conduct is so detrimental to the building of the encyclopedia that there removal from the community is the only remaining solution. Short, punitive blocks never accomplish anything but acrimony. LHM^{ask me a question} 19:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Your blocks on the IPs at Georgia Highlands College ‎

Thanks for the blocks, but I think we'll still need to protect it. Another IP, from a similar range, has made the identical bogus insertion and immediate undo as has been going on for years. Maybe a few range blocks would be possible. Congrats on the new adminship. Meters (talk) 22:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

@Meters: The whole /20 appears to belong to Southern Polytechnic State University. I've blocked one more /24 for now. If it acts up one more time, let me know and I'll see if it's feasible to block the entire /20. I'd rather not use protection here, since this is such a long-term issue that we'd have to basically lock good anons out forever if we went that route. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a strange one. Years of seemingly pointless edits and instant reversions. I couldn't believe the edit history once I started looking at it. You're right, protection might end up having to be permanent, particularly since we already tried it for 3 months. I suppose we can just live with it since the editor never leaves the faulty info up for more than a minute. Thanks for looking at it again. 02:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 02:12, November 7, 2014‎

It would be nice if instead of blocking an ip/range you could set them "probationary" for a set time. Then you could add to the protection level one that only protects against probationary users/ips. This would allow us to handle situations like this with a minimal of collateral damage. In addition to allowing other anons to edit the article it would also allow people from the range block to edit other articles.

New features are slow and hard to come by though so it will likely remain a dream. Chillum 02:15, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

It sounds like you want Pending Changes that can be applied to users instead of pages. I agree this would be a good idea, but I'm not sure if it's feasible, or if the community would go for it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I considered asking for pending changes protection on this article. Since the editor always reverts himself no-one else would see the bogus info, but the darn article would be showing up with flagged edits forever since undoing an edit does not reset the pending edits flag. If it did, this would be great solution. Meters (talk) 02:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Congrats

On adminship! :D -Fimatic (talk | contribs) 02:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Well done from me too Brookie :) { - he's in the building somewhere!} ^(Whisper...) 11:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Recognition of user being a positive impact force in community. Looking over the types of contributions and care admin Jackmcbarn has given so often sets him apart.:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikkoBot (talk • contribs) 03:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Up Next

can I have my article undeleted I haven't finished putting everything :/ there's a lot reference and background of what to put in it. Please let me finish and than you can check it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golden kingg (talk • contribs) 04:01, 7 November 2014‎ (UTC)

@Golden kingg: I restored it to Draft:Up Next. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

A Revanth

As well as the two you blocked, there is also Revanth Arappali (talk · contribs). My finger is hovering over the block button, but I thought I would wait and see whether he takes in what I wrote at User talk:Revanth Arappali#Wikipedia is not for writing about yourself. I think he means no harm, he's another of the innumerable newbies who think this is another social-networking site and doesn't understand the difference between user pages and articles. Whether he is likely to make a useful contribution is another matter.

Congratulations on your new mop, by the way! JohnCD (talk) 12:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

RfD for I have no ideay

I have no idea why I why I was replying back to you. HisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisashiyarouinHisa

S. Si Trew (talk) 12:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

IN case of any doubt, I am not Hisashi Yarouin, a very fine editor. Simply no idea. Si Trew (talk) 12:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Jackmcbarn (talk) 13:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I told you, I have no idea where this came from. Forget it; I didn't want anyone to think that Hisashi-san was I or whatever that's all. Si Trew (talk) 00:34, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Too much admin going on at RfD

Not you, but three at RfD have been closed in the last few days in what I regard as blatantly WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I have taken bold and removed one closure, since it was in no way discussed. I'll do so again with another. It's getting out of hand if people just close discussions down. Please tell me, for example, how Two Steps From Hell got closed with no discussion? It was a redirect, I read the article to seem like what the caps should be, WP:NCCAPS has guidance, it is a blatant close in less than one day without regard to any other good-faith editor. (RfD says they are listed "for about a week"). Si Trew (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Why are you telling me this? Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Because it comes up on my new-fangled "you have messages" thingy that Wikipedia has. I was kinda trying to be polite to reply. Si Trew (talk) 00:37, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

I really have no idea what you're talking about. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Pharma companies in chennai

Thanks for speedy deleting Pharmaceutical companies in bangalore. Pharma companies in chennai is another copyvio article that I just nominated for speedy deletion, if you'd like to take a look. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Softer block removed from User:Runwarwick

Greetings! You had blocked Runwarwick (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) with a soft block earlier this week because of the username. Since that appeared to be the only reason for the block, I have unblocked the user to allow the change.

I thought this was uncontroversial enough to do it without checking with you, but I wanted to make sure you knew that I'd done it. —C.Fred (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Fine with me. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Disney Channel (Latin America)

Hello Jackmcbarn, you could revert this edition in the article Disney Channel (Latin America)? The picture put back several times the IP (File:Disney Channel 2014 logo.png) can only be used on the article Disney Channel. (see Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 57#File:Disney Channel 2014 logo.png) Thanks! --Mega-buses (discusión / Talk) 14:52, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

@Mega-buses: Looking more closely, I've decided to unprotect the page. If that IP starts edit-warring again, you'd be better off at WP:ANEW than asking for protection. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Thank you and good luck!! --Mega-buses (discusión / Talk) 13:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I almost forgot. Congratulations on becoming an administrator! --Mega-buses (discusión / Talk) 13:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Appeal 12294

Hey - so regarding UTRS, the rules of WP:INVOLVED still apply. So you really shouldn't handle an unblock request that you were the blocking admin for. That said, the action you took would've been the exact same no matter which admin handled it, so it's not a big deal at all. But in the future, someone else usually comes by within 24 hours.--v/r - TP 19:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

@TParis: I'm under the impression that blocking a vandal counts as interacting with them "purely in an administrative role", which WP:INVOLVED says doesn't count. Am I interpreting that incorrectly? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

You're interpreting WP:INVOLVED correctly, but there is another policy that says you shouldn't decline unblock requests for users you have blocked: WP:BLOCK#Block reviews. TParis was probably thinking of that one. — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know of that. Thanks Mr. Stradivarius, and sorry for any inconvenience TParis. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

My 2 cents

Please don't take this as criticism, but I thought it might help to offer my perspective. When an editor asks for a page to be unsalted, two things come to mind: the initial reason and age of the protection, and who is the editor asking. Generally, anyone who has autoreviewer rights should (in my opinion) instantly have any 6 year old protected page handed to them. They have already earned the right to be trusted to create articles without them being reviewed. If they fail, AFD works just fine. I see myself as a public servant for people creating and improving articles, so I say yes to any reasonable request unless I can see (and explain) a specific threat in doing so. Collectively, they are the boss, I'm just the janitor with the big ring of keys. Refusing was within policy, I'm not questioning that, I'm just saying that when a guy with a couple dozen FAs and 176k edits asks you to unsalt a page, it's ok to just unprotect the article, as the odds of it being abused are virtually zero, and doing so is the most efficient means to creating articles. Cirt is probably a better judge of what is and isn't a properly sourced article than most admin, honestly. The trust you invest in our editors tends to pay dividends, too. Dennis - 2¢ 14:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I'll take this into consideration in the future. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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• You may see a new tool on the mobile site of the English Wikipedia. It asks simple questions to make the article better. In the future, your answers will go to Wikidata. [1] [2]
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• You can see a list of files to fix on the Labs tool. You can report bugs and ask questions on the talk page.

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Draft:August Mentzl Tenement in Bydgoszcz Deleted?

Hello, I was working today on a draft article about Poland and you deleted it an hour ago. On what ground? What was my mistake in the process? I understood draft pages were made for that (starting and improving articles). As a beginner, I find it pretty discouraging. Pending you answer, wikibenchris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibenchris (talk • contribs) 17:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

@Wikibenchris: I didn't delete any of your drafts. I did delete Tenement August Mentzl in Bydgoszcz, which you created as a real article in mainspace, not a draft. I notice that you already started a new draft for it at Draft:August Mentzl Tenement in Bydgoszcz. Given that, and the fact that what was deleted was identical to pl:Kamienica Augusta Mentzla w Bydgoszczy, I think you could just copy it from there again into your actual draft rather than restoring the old revisions. Is that okay? Jackmcbarn (talk) 05:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion Feedback

Your feedback in this discussion would be greatly appreciated. Warren Cassell, Jr. is up for deletion. Can you share your thoughts in the discussion? Caribbeanbio (talk) 00:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Tombstoning

It would be good to resolve this. The Draft:Tombstoning is ready to be published, according to Fiddle Faddle as soon as the RfD is closed. the only gotcha is to not delete the existing talk page, as it has procedurally important history. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: I'd rather let someone else close the discussion. Once that's done, if there's anything else to take care of, I will. Jackmcbarn (talk) 05:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd close it myself if I wasn't one of the few that commentated there. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC).

Moving will delete the existing talk page, but it is trivial to undelete the old version, it essentially becomes a history merge. Only takes a couple of clicks. Since there no edits on the draft talk, thus no interleaving edits, it is as easy a histmerge as you could hope for. No need to merge histories of the article itself, as it was essentially deleted via AFD. I've never closed an RFD or I would myself, but at work and short on time to take a crash course, or fix it if I do it wrong. Dennis - 2¢ 14:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

citation request

Hi Jack - still learning about how things work on Wiki - but I wonder if you would be kind enough to check the write up about HP products where I've made a lot of changes to printers - and cite my website http://www.hpplotter.co.uk/upgrade-path-tool against HP Designjet Printers - this is basically a tool I built on my website to allow people to find out the date their printer was first manufactured, date it was made EOL, and the printer that replaced it. I've made a request on the talk page but no-one seems to be getting back to me...are these things instant-ish like in a day or two or can it take months normally for people to respond? I hope you think it is a useful link - best regards PlotterFairy

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PlotterFairy (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

@PlotterFairy: In general, those types of requests seem to take a week or two to get answered. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:36, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Article

Hello Jackmcbarn,

You deleted one of my articles because it violated Wikipedia's copyright rules. I am new to Wikipedia and the email I received said the article would remain for 7 days before it would be deleted. I obtained permission from the owner of the website. And I would like to forward that permission to Wikipedia, but now I don't have a link to the article. I spent a great deal of time looking up references for the article and would have to have to re-do it. Can the article be placed back in my Sandbox.

Thank you,

Sunnyzayas (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC) SunnyZayas

@Sunnyzayas: The email you received was a mistake. Blatant copyright violations are deleted immediately. Note that you can't forward the owner's permission to Wikipedia; the copyright owner has to send permission directly to us themselves. I undeleted the page and deleted only the revisions that contained copyright violations, so you can see your references again. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello :@Jackmcbarn:

Thanks so much for undeleting the article so that I can still have the references. I'm so confused. I requested copyright permission based on this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission I would appreciate your direction on how I go about handling this, please. So, what you are telling me is that my client (The Forum Club) has to forward my requesting email to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org. Then they have to include this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunnyzayas/sandbox and the link to their own website? Thank you! Sunnyzayas (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC)sunnyzayas

@Sunnyzayas: Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries has detailed instructions. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Girl Scouts Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho

The page in question is the orphaned redirect left after I moved the page to Girl Scouts Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho. --evrik ^(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:16, 14 November 2014‎ (UTC)

@Evrik: A redirect being orphaned is insufficient grounds for speedy deletion, especially since there was something there for a long time before you moved it. You'll have to go to WP:RFD if you want it deleted. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Nothing links to it. How about {{Db-r3}} --evrik ^(talk) 16:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

  @Evrik: It doesn't count as recently created, since it existed there for a long time before you moved it. Just list it at WP:RFD if you think it should be deleted. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Nothing links to it, all the links now point to the new page. --evrik ^(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:02, 14 November 2014‎ (UTC)

  @Evrik: Like I said, that doesn't matter. Go to WP:RFD. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Need Help Regarding Nomination Based on OTRS Pending Tag

Hello Jackmcbarn:

I'm not sure, but I believe you may have nominated an article for speedy deletion due to potential copyright issues related to the images in the article. The instructions for contesting the nomination was not possible because of a dead link, and I'm contacting you for your assistance.

This was my first article for Wikipedia, and I’m currently researching for a second article. I followed the guidelines for creating articles. Since this is my first article in the Wikipedia format, I may have made some innocent mistakes, which I have been correcting as I go. Whenever an editor pointed out a potential problem, I addressed it as advised. Such as, related to the tagging the image {{OTRS Pending}} in response to an editor’s notice to me of their concern of files copyright permission problems. For the reasons below, I dispute the nomination for speedy deletion of this page.

I have encountered some difficulty with regard to what appears to be the left-hand not telling the right-hand about approvals/confirmation between Wikipedia and it’s editors.

For example when copyright concerns were first communicated, I contacted the subject of the article as instructed for permission to use his images in the article. Permission was granted in writing by the copyright holder and submitted to Wikipedia Commons, of which, I received confirmation. However, multiple editors have repeatedly tagged images for deletion for possible copyright reasons. The editor Rotten regard did the most recent.

The editor noted that I provided the valid copyright licensing tag, but there was no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release the image. This is confusing to me since I received confirmation of the copyright holders agreement on file with Wikipedia Commons as indicated above.

In the latest instance, I was advised to add the tag {{OTRS Pending}} to each image tagged by the editor to prevent premature deletion, and sent an email to Wikipedia Commons again in which I attached once again the required permission of copyright holder for all the images used in article as proof.

Each time I did this, any deleted images were quickly restored, yet here I am again with another image deleted (File:Draw’n ballet 89-90.jpg). And now, I have received (I believe your) notice on Nov. 11, of nomination for speedy removal of the entire page because of the {{OTRS Pending}} Tags that I was instructed to add to prevent premature deletion of images. I’m at a loss as to what to do to resolve this issue once and for all.

The article was reviewed by editors and accepted as a Biography of a Living Person on October 10, 2014. I put a lot of work into this article and followed the Wikipedia guidelines. As it is my first article, I have had a steep learning curve, and it may not have been a perfect execution. I defer to you, as to how to prevent this from continuing, and correcting the nomination for speedy deletion due to improper Template:OTRS Pending Cc-by-sa-3.0.

I have no idea of how to contact the administrator (if it is not you) related to the speedy deletion nomination due to the OTRS Pending tag, so I can notify them that the proper permissions have been received by copyright holder, and confirmed. There is no link to the page to contest the nomination for speedy deletion and/or button to click as directed in notice of nomination to contest the nomination. I thank you in advance for your timely response. Niknakc (talk) 18:00, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

A few things:

• "nominated an article for speedy deletion due to potential copyright issues related to the images in the article" This never happens. If images are a copyright violation, they're deleted, but the article they're used in is not. An article is only tagged for copyright speedy deletion if its text is a copyright violation.
• "The instructions for contesting the nomination was not possible because of a dead link" If by "dead link", you mean a link to a Wikipedia page that doesn't exist, that's normal. You're supposed to create the page with your reasoning.
• I've never edited the Anthony Conway article, so I'm not sure why you sent this message to me.
• File:Draw’n ballet 89-90.jpg has never existed, either here or at Commons. Are you sure you have the name right? EDIT: Never mind. I see that you meant File:Draw'n ballet 89-90.jpg (note the different apostrophe). It wasn't deleted because the permission was missing, but because you didn't include the tag containing the page's source, author, etc.
• "I have received (I believe your) notice on Nov. 11, of nomination for speedy removal of the entire page because of the {{OTRS Pending}} Tags that I was instructed to add to prevent premature deletion of images" I'm not sure what notice you're talking about. Can you post a link to it? (And again, don't worry, the page will not be deleted because of images it uses.)
• If you're referring to {{OTRS Pending Cc-by-sa-3.0}}, it was deleted because you tried to mash together two templates that are supposed to be separate. {{OTRS Pending}} and {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} are two different templates and need to stay that way.

Let me know if you have any more questions. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Jockmcbarn for your help.

Since this is my first article and I'm new to the Wikipedia format, I'm still learning as I go, so I really do appreciate your assistance.

So, for contesting the nomination for speedy deletion, I'm to write on the page that I thought was a dead link, and submit. Correct?

I wrote to you because that "dead page" had a link to you creating a similar page. I know you haven't edited the article, I simply put a link to it in case you were the person making nomination to communicate directly with you.

From what you've said, I made the innocent "newbee" mistake of combining tags, {{OTRS Pending}} and {{CC-by-sa-3.0}} when addressing concern of an editor's of a potential copyright problem, which is what needs to be corrected to fix the nomination for speedy deletion. Correct?

All the images used on the page, I received written permission to use by the copyright holder which was submitted and confirmed by Wikipedia Commons. I'm currently addressing getting this clarified once and for all with Wikipedia Commons.

Again, I appreciate your assistance.Niknakc (talk) 19:39, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

• "So, for contesting the nomination for speedy deletion, I'm to write on the page that I thought was a dead link, and submit. Correct?" Yes.
• "which is what needs to be corrected to fix the nomination for speedy deletion. Correct?" No. Don't worry about the combined template anymore. That problem is solved now, and it has nothing to do with any other deletions.

Also, note that there's no such thing as "Wikipedia Commons". There's "Wikipedia", and there's "Wikimedia Commons". Be careful not to mix them up. Finally, the problem with your images is that they need to specify the source, author, and license on the file page. All OTRS is for is to verify that the copyright owner actually released the work under the license that you specified. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Question on how to Contest Nomination

Hi Jackmcbarn:

I tried going back to do contest early deletion and I'm confused.

The instruction were — "If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion".

Problem is I can't find the button labelled "Click here to contect this speedy deletion".

What do I need to do if there isn't a way for me to contest. The notice for nomination for speedy deletion was on Nov. 11th, and I need to address this ASAP.

Again, I thank you in advance for your timely response. Niknakc (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

That message on your talk page refers to the template that you accidentally created. It's unrelated to your images and your article, and you don't need to do anything with it at all. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:10, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Template: Anarchism edit warring

Before taking any decision on this situation I suggest that you become more informed on this by taking a glance of what user Knight of BAAWA is doing in that article. He is in an edit war againts two users and he has mostly just stopped responding and discussing things in the talk section. He is the person proposing additions to that template and so keeping the result of his latest edit war intervention means keeping things which have not reached consensus but which have been added only through mere force.--Eduen (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Location map localization

Hi! I want to get the location map module at lvwiki. But we are using redirects for templates; for example, Template:Location map Canada is redirected to Template:Location map Kanāda (Kanāda ir Latvian for Canada). As redirects don't work for modules, I'm thinking of adding new parameters to the module, like here (see the code after the comment). Could this functionality be included in the main module? You can make any changes to the code @lvwiki. The code currently is the same as @enwiki. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:41, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: Redirects do sort of work for modules, just not in the same way as wikitext redirects. For example, look at Module:Location map/data/World which sort of redirects to Module:Location map/data/Earth. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:47, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

I know that, but I would still want to stick to my solution (it isn't so complicated, right?), but unfortunately, I'm not a Lua coder. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: I took a closer look at your example code, and I can't figure out exactly what you want to happen. Can you explain it? Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll try. In some article (where location map can be used) I want to use Module:Location map/data/Canada (NB! The module is for Kanāda), so I write |map_name=Canada. Then there is check if there is module with such name. There isn't. That's the current check (ok, it checks the same for templates, but currently it isn't important). I would like that module checks if there isn't name with the alias names (parameters name1, name2, ...etc.); for this particular example — if there is Module:Location map/data/Canada, Module:Location map/data/Canada1 etc. So I think there should be some array of names in the module's code. Now it's clear? :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: So in the example you gave, you want to define a "Canada" alias in lv:Modulis:Location map/data/Kanāda so that {{Location map|Canada|...}} would call it? I don't see how that could possibly work. How could the code know to check that one particular data module for the aliases? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. The aliases would be for every locmap data module, not only Canada's. But ok, it looks like I haven't examined the module's code very carefully, and will need to stick to the "redirect" solution for now. Sorry for having troubled you so much. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 13:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: It's no problem. By the way, I do currently have a software patch awaiting approval that will make those pseudo-redirects act like regular wikitext redirects. I'll be sure to let you know if it gets merged. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:43, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf8) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 12. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 18, and on all Wikipedias from November 19 (calendar).
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18:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Day late, dollar short, but Puppy means well

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy: Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!? DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL. 23:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews

Hello Jackmcbarn. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Wikipedia to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.

Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.

I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

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Recent redirect deles

Thank you for your help to delete "Peda Bommalapuram Puram" and its talk page! – Paine  19:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Free Donbass

The article Free Donbass has been nominated for deletion again, again with the same weak (for not saying non-existent) argumentation. I cant contest the deletion as I had been topic banned for 6 months, perhaps Im going even to be punished for talking about the issue on personal talk pages (or thats what I have been told-threatened about). Seems that some users want to erase that article by any means necessary...--HCPUNXKID 23:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Given the terms of your topic ban (and the fact that this post led to a block), I don't believe it would be proper for me to contest the PROD. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2012 Benghazi attack

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Excessive 3RR block of 72 hours

Hi Jack. Just writing down a few notes to guide you on the block you put on Lagoonaville (talk · contribs):

• (a) The user's edits were already a part of the edit warring noticeboard, where I had mentioned that the user won't be blocked because nobody had warned him about edit warring rules. The link to the same was on the user's talk page, so you must have seen the same. It is generally good form to educate a new user rather than straightaway block him and practically stop him from discussing on the talk page of the relevant article. In this case, I had already suggested that the user not be blocked for that very reason.
• (b) If you notice, the user opened up talk page discussions and stopped reverting almost two days ago and started discussing on WP:RSN. Your block on the user for violating WP:3RR has been made today for 72 hours. In general, we block a user for 24 hours for 3RR for the first time, with the block timing increasing with every subsequent issue.
• (c) In general, we do not block a user on 3RR close to two days after the user has stopped reverting post getting a warning, especially if the user has started discussing the issue of his own accord
• (c) Blocks in general are to prevent disruption; and there doesn't seem to be any disruption to the project because of this user.

My suggestions are as follows: kindly remove this excessive block on the editor and give him a chance to continue his discussions on RSN and on the talk page of the article. Thanks. Wifione ^Message 03:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

 Done Sorry about that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:33, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh no apologies required Jack. Just some good form guidelines. Thanks for taking action immediately. Have a good evening. Wifione ^Message 03:36, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

UAA

I have just posted a boatload of currently active usernames that I think are violations at UAA. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:15, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

@Hoops gza: Taking a quick look, it appears that most of them aren't. I'll go through them each now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Of the first 5, only 2 were actually violations. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Mind your biz, ok?

Mind your own business, ok? Janagewen (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

If this is about your user page, then no. Polemical pages are not allowed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Χουμνικό Σερρών

Thanks. I don't have experience in patrolling new pages, so I used wrong reason for speedy deletion. I will learn better. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

List of Power Rangers Dino Charge episodes

Could you also fully create protect the non-printworthy alternates List of Power Rangers: Dino Charge episodes and List of Power Rangers:Dino Charge episodes? This guy's been up to this shit in the past.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

@Ryulong: Since they haven't been created at all yet, I don't see a need right now, but if they're created even once, I will. Also, unless this guy uses autoconfirmed socks (which I haven't seen any of), then wouldn't semi be good enough? Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Template question

Jack, at WP:SPI, what is {{/SPI/header}}, and where can it be found? I think I knew the answer at one point, but, if so, I've forgotten. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

@Bbb23: It's Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/header. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so simple. Am I supposed to infer that if you have a template on a particular page that starts with a forward slash, the name of the template is derived by appending the name of the page to the beginning? Will that always be so? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

@Bbb23: In namespaces with subpages enabled (which is almost all of them here), that'll always be the case. In namespaces without subpages enabled (such as mainspace), then something that looked like {{/foo}} would refer to Template:/foo (and would probably indicate a mistake by whoever added it). Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

You're a wonder, Jack, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

@Bbb23:And the cheater's method of finding the wanted template is to edit Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations and look in "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page" at the bottom. Johnuniq (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I've never expanded that little thing in my life. What do you know. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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Problems

• There was a problem when editing tables in VisualEditor. VisualEditor was trying to fix bad values for the colspan or rowspan option. VisualEditor now leaves the bad values to avoid making things worse. This was fixed on November 17. [12]

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• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf9) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 19. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 25, and on all Wikipedias from November 26 (calendar).
• You will be able to try VisualEditor on many new wikis for the first time. After November 26, VisualEditor will become available on Wikidata, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews wikis. You can find it in your Beta options. [13]
• VisualEditor now tells you if your edit needs to be approved. [14]
• You can now use VisualEditor's tools directly when you resume editing after closing the save window. [15]
• VisualEditor's table editing tools now work better in right-to-left languages. [16] [17]

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19:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

edit warring tags related to Organic farming

i saw that you left 3RR warnings for Yobol and I, but not for cowicide. i fully accept the warning but i don't understand why you didn't warn cowicide as well. new and very impassionated editor who doesn't seem to realize that he/she was as much at fault as we were... the warning from an outside admin would be useful. would you please consider adding the warning there as well? Thank you. (am watching your page so need bothering with ping) Jytdog (talk) 20:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

@Jytdog: You had already left Cowicide the exact same warning message that I would have left. I don't see the value in adding an identical one. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

i see. i already had an edit warring warning on my page from cowicide as did yobol (he had removed his). i thought you were adding "oomph"/outside validation of the warning. in any case, thanks again for your reply, and for all your work here. Jytdog (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't do that again.

Do not delete others' comments from my talk page. Jeh (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

@Jeh: I was mass-rollbacking a block evader. I'll try to remember not to on your talk page in the future, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:56, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I saw what you were doing; I've been unwillingly involved in that case for quite a while. But I don't see that "rollbacking a block evader" is included at WP:TALK among the exceptions to "do not edit others' comments" . Afaict the comments did no harm, he's just trying to communicate. I personally think that after a block, one ought to be able to use one's talk page to discuss the block, in ways other than the strict "only for unblock requests", so I think the revocation of talk page privileges is too harsh. In any case, I'll clean up my own talk page; I've tagged both of his sections for archiving. Jeh (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined

My speedy deletion request was declined by you saying "The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion". But, it fits with deletion criteria G1. I would like to know why it was declined? The request was made on මූලික ගොඩනැගිලි තාක්ෂණය-1 කොටස. --Anton^Talk 07:48, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

You didn't tag the page with G1. Indeed, you didn't use any speedy deletion criterion. You essentially said it should be deleted because it was in a foreign language. In any event, G1 is not used for a page in a foreign language. Part of the criterion states specifically that it excludes "coherent non-English material".--Bbb23 (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

For clarification: How could we act once we see new articles with entirely non-English content including non-English title? I know the usage of {{translate}}. --Anton^Talk 14:53, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

If a foreign-language article is tagged, depending on the tag, I do a machine translation. If I feel the tag is clearly justified after the translation, I'll delete. If not, I won't. Here, we are hampered by the fact that, as far as I can tell, there is no way to machine-translate Sinhala into English. On that basis, the speedy should be declined. At the same time, you should tag a foreign language article only if you believe the tag is justified based on an English translation.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Jian Ghomeshi Semi-Protection

I'm not sure why you semi-protected Jian Ghomeshi. I don't see any examples of vandalism or other issues from IPs. In light of that I'm requesting that you remove the semi-protection. Tchaliburton (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

@Tchaliburton: There's Special:Diff/635522992, Special:Diff/635443944, Special:Diff/635443733, and I could go on. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:45, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Kapampangankupagmaragulkuintl

Hi, Jack, a couple of things about this user. First, generally an administrator does not decline more than one unblock request from the same user for the same block. I don't believe that "rule" is policy-based so much as convention. Second, the user in response to this particular block has to do more than just pick an appropriate user name. He has to also "Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked. Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked."--Bbb23 (talk) 05:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

@Bbb23: When I handle spamusername unblock requests, I only care about the username in the initial request. If they respond with a good username, I then follow up with {{subst:coiq}}. Is this okay to do, in your opinion? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Jack, my personal view is no, but I don't know if that's a majority view. I generally don't like handling things piecemeal. The user is supposed to do both things in one unblock request. Even if both are deficient, I would address both.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Question

Greetings. I heard your name mentioned as somebody who knows their way around the tools here. I have heard tell of a tool that allows you to look up articles that mention certain words in sequence, that essentially allows the title of new articles to be searched for and linked to. Do you happen to know it? Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:22, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I'm not sure what tool that is. I think you can do something sort of like that with the regular search bar, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Abhay K Vincent

Im sorry mr.jak Abhay K Vincent (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Module:navbox breakage

Before the recent changes, both had the same centering. Frietjes (talk) 15:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Should be fixed now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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