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WP:GAMING

Please see this page. Thank you. TheSpiciestNugget (talk) 18:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheSpiciestNugget: Excuse me, I was unaware of this rule. I promise to be more careful and study every existing rule here! JackkBrown (talk) 21:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Picture captions

Hi, full stops should not be removed when the image captions are full sentences (like here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ricky_Martin&diff=1127956164&oldid=1127950522 ), only if they are fragments, see MOS:CAPFRAGS --FMSky (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

A reminder since this is still going on. TylerBurden (talk) 21:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@TylerBurden: I'm sorry, but, as per the rules, my changes are correct; for example, "Historical coat of arms of Götaland" is by no means a complete sentence, you cannot say the opposite. JackkBrown (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

That some of them are correct doesn't change the fact that many of them are not. TylerBurden (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

For example, you are removing many periods from full sentences. TylerBurden (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@TylerBurden: Where have I removed points from complete sentences? JackkBrown (talk) 00:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

This doesn't seem correct to me for one. TylerBurden (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

It also seems you are making edits while logged out, since I doubt this was not you. It is recommended that if you have an account, you should stay logged in when editing so as to avoid WP:SOCKPUPPET issues. I noticed you still haven't responded to this, so I am guessing you realized you were wrong. Maybe your intentions are good but you need to pay more attention to what you are doing, because the mistakes are plentiful. TylerBurden (talk) 22:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I only made one change from logged out, because I forgot to log in, but I only have this account and I always operate with it. JackkBrown (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

That's good then, it can happen. Like I said I don't doubt your intentions to make MOS changes are good, they just need to be more consistent. TylerBurden (talk) 22:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I will check all my past edits to make sure they are all correct and there were no errors (I have checked before); clearly it will take time to check 1 544 edits. I think I only made a mistake that day (and the modification of the removal of the comma), and, fortunately, you corrected that edit; however, I check my older edits from time to time. Good work and thank you very much! JackkBrown (talk) 22:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

You don't need to check everything, if you made other mistakes they will most likely be fixed down the line anyway. Good luck for the future! TylerBurden (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 23

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Dear bot, in this case the link to the disambiguation page I added is correct and very useful. JackkBrown (talk) 12:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please avoid watchlist clutter

Hi. Please avoid edits like this one and this one that solely consist of whitespace changes and other changes that aren't visible to the reader. Changes of this kind needlessly clutter up other editors' watchlists. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

On a similar note, I struggle to identify what exactly the "Numerous corrections" in this diff were? – Recoil16 (talk) 22:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

And what is this change about? Please stop these pointless changes. They're disruptive. Robby.is.on (talk) 00:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: these are useless changes, not destructive; uselessness is not destructive, it's simply neutral. Before you come and write on my discussion page, learn to use words properly, thank you. JackkBrown (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I wrote "disruptive", not "destructive". See WP:Disruptive editing. The useless changes are disruptive because they clutter up people's watchlists which wastes time. See WP:COSMETICBOT. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: sorry, I had read "destructive" earlier; damn English 😂. JackkBrown (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem. I'm not accusing you of any malice. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

Welcome, and thank you for contributing the page Roberto Vannacci to Wikipedia. While you have added the page to the English version of Wikipedia, the article is not in English. We invite you to translate it into English. It has been listed at Pages needing translation into English, but if it is not translated within two weeks, the article will be listed for deletion. Thank you. shelovesneo (talk) 11:43, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Roberto Vannacci

Hello, JackkBrown, and welcome to Wikipedia. I edit here too, under the username Shelovesneo, and I thank you for your contributions.

I wanted to let you know, however, that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Roberto Vannacci, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roberto Vannacci.

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United States

Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but your recent edits, such as those to United States, appear to be intentional disruptions designed to illustrate a point. Edits designed for the deliberate purpose of drawing opposition, including making edits you do not agree with or enforcing a rule in a generally unpopular way, are highly disruptive and can lead to a block or ban. If you feel that a policy is problematic, the policy's talk page is the proper place to raise your concerns. If you simply disagree with someone's actions in an article, discuss it on the article talk page or, if direct discussion fails, through dispute resolution. If consensus strongly disagrees with you even after you have made proper efforts, then respect the consensus, rather than trying to sway it with disruptive tactics. Your issues with the Italy article have nothing to do with the article on United States. You should address your concerns on Talk:Italy or contact the editor adding the tag, not disrupt other articles. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Locke Cole: as requested, I have written (and tagged) you within the discussion pages of both pages. Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Don't do that. Just stop being disruptive and use the talk page at Talk:Italy to address the concerns of editors who think that article is too long. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:MEATBOT

Please do not make robotic trivial changes to code style that serve no functional purpose for either readers or editors, like this. It just pings lots of people's watchlists for no practical reason. It's fine to make trivial consistency changes like that as part of a more substantive edit, like fixing an actual typographical error or adding missing parameters to a citation or normalizing the dates in an article to a single format. Something that actually has an impact on the output quality for the reader.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: constructive criticism improves my work, and this is one of them, but it is undeniable that all those (including you) who have posted notices on my discussion page are so focused on my (very few) inaccuracies that all my positive and useful contributions take a back seat; for example, I have corrected tens of thousands of captions, making many pages in this encyclopaedia more correct, more aesthetically pleasing, and, as a direct consequence, visitors' trust in the encyclopaedia has, without a doubt, increased (sorry if that's not enough...). JackkBrown (talk) 13:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Please stop this, like how you recently did here. Your other edits are a great contribution, but these whitespace/capitalisation changes can be a problem for other editors. We look through and check every change in our watchlists, and seeing WP:MEATBOT changes is a slight waste of time for us. Thank you. —Panamitsu (talk) 05:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if it seems like a tsunami of criticism! Editing WP is largely a thankless task, it's true. Thanks for putting in the cleanup work. Tens of thousands? That sounds worthy of note:

		The Cleanup Barnstar
		For a tireless river of image-caption, template-placement, and other cleanup efforts  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: thank you very much! JackkBrown (talk) 18:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

QM in diffraction

Diffraction is not one of the subtopics of the Quantum Mechanics template. I therefore think that template either should be removed from the diffraction page, or you need to suggest adding it on the relevant template talk page. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ldm1954: I didn't insert the aforementioned template, I merely put the templates in order. JackkBrown (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Final warning: Cosmetic edits

Hi, JackkBrown. I really don't like blocking people for silly things, but I also don't like when people keep doing things they've been told not to. So for the last time, please stop making edits that don't affect the parsed output of the page. For clarity's sake, this includes:

• Changes to the capitalization of a template's first letter ({{Main}} and {{main}} have the same effect, for instance [1])
• Moving around templates that don't display and are not in violation of MOS:ORDER (such as removing {{pp-move}} [2])
• Adding whitespace that is ignored by the parser [3]

I appreciate your other copy-edits, and I want to be clear that it's okay to make these kinds of changes as part of larger edits. But there is a longstanding community consensus that cosmetic-only edits, when made in significant number, are disruptive. And that's most of what you've been doing lately. You've already been warned by very experienced copy-editors and technical editors such as Robby.is.on and SMcCandlish, so you shouldn't need to hear this from an admin as well, but if that's what makes the difference, then understand that I am warning you here as an admin, and that the next step is a block from editing. And, again, this would be a really silly thing to get blocked for. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 21:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: ok, from now on I will no longer make unnecessary purely cosmetic changes, unless, as you said, they are part of larger changes, such as those made on the "Group theory" page. JackkBrown (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Jack, I came to this talkpage to ask what the point of this edit was, and I see you have already been given a final warning for doing exactly this. Here is another example in an article on my watchlist.

Stop doing this. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Tamzin, this editor may need a wikibreak. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Caeciliusinhorto: so removing unnecessary spaces is a meaningless change? Fine, then why don't you fill articles with unnecessary spaces that only weigh down the page? You're complaining about unnecessary things and you're getting on the wrong side of the argument. However, you are right about the "Portal" edit. JackkBrown (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

The spaces don't weigh down the page. The parser ignores them entirely. The resulting HTML document is the exact same size with or without those spaces. Given that I said above not to add whitespace for that exact reason, surely you could tell the same would apply to removing whitespace? Like I said before, this feels like a stupid thing to block someone before, but it keeps happening, and I really don't appreciate the combative tone you're taking when more experienced users (five now, or six if one considers me experienced) tell you that you're doing it wrong. If you're not understanding the problem, you should be asking questions of the people who warn you, not arguing with them. I'm going to block you for a short period of time to underscore the importance of collaboration in this regard. I'm hoping this can be the end of this. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 22:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I apologise and I am sorry for what happened in the past, I will work very hard to never make such mistakes again. JackkBrown (talk) 23:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:NOPIPE, WP:NOTBROKEN

Hi,

I noticed your recent sequence of edits at "Feltre" added a number of unnecessary "piped" links. The Manual of Style at MOS:LINK generally recommends against using "piped" links unnecessarily, and specifically recommends against replacing redirects with pipes (see WP:NOTBROKEN). Please have a look at MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOPIPE as well.

Best wishes Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 20:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from adding, removing or changing genres without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Maliner (talk) 13:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry what did I do wrong and on what edit?? Thanks. 🏴MrFlyingPies23✉(✍)🏳️ 21:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you. Maliner (talk) 13:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Preview, consolidate, summarize

Hello- Below are a few editing suggestions to make it easier for you and others to collaborate on the encyclopedia. Please preview, consolidate, and summarize your edits:

• Try to consolidate your edits, at least at the section level, to avoid cluttering the page's edit history; this makes it easier for your fellow editors to understand your intentions, and makes it easier for those monitoring activity on the article.
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Thanks in advance for considering these suggestions. Eric ^talk 19:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Do not remove other people's comments from talk pages

Removing other people's comments from talk pages, as you did here, is not permitted. See WP:TALKO for more information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I'm sorry, it was an accident. JackkBrown (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk: Italy

Why are you discussing Pecorino Sardo there? What does that have to do with the article Italy? Cullen328 (talk) 00:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: because the discussion is getting completely out of control, and in any case it has to do with Italy. JackkBrown (talk) 00:17, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Precisely what does it have to do with improving the article Italy? Cullen328 (talk) 00:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:NOPIPE, WP:NOTBROKEN

Hi,

I noticed your recent sequence of edits at "Christopher Soghoian" added a number of unnecessary "piped" links. The Manual of Style at MOS:LINK generally recommends against using "piped" links unnecessarily, and specifically recommends against replacing redirects with pipes, for example, replacing [[FBI]] with [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] or [[Department of Homeland Security]] with [[United States Department of Homeland Security|Department of Homeland Security]] (see WP:NOTBROKEN). Please have a look at MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOPIPE as well.

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 12:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Over-capitalized games

Those are definitely already on my to-do list.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: thank you! JackkBrown (talk) 21:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.   -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 22:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:NOPIPE, WP:NOTBROKEN

Hi,

Again, please note the guidance at MOS:LINK about using piped links in place of redirects, specifically WP:NOTBROKEN, MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOPIPE. Many of the changes you made in these recent edits are directly opposed to those recommendations. In just a few paragraphs you made these changes:

[[seasonings]] → [[Seasoning|seasonings]]

[[cheesemaker]]s → [[Cheesemaking|cheesemakers]]

[[citrus fruit]] → [[Citrus|citrus fruit]]

[[durum wheat]] → [[Durum|durum wheat]]

[[salt cod]] → [[Dried and salted cod|salt cod]]

[[parboiled]] → [[Parboiling|parboiled]]

and there are many, many more examples.

I'm largely in favour of the changes you're making to capitalisation and italics in many articles on Italian food, but please take a moment to read the guidelines I linked above.

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: yes, that is true, but consider that I really do make a lot of changes, and it is very difficult for all of them (most of them are to be in line with the aesthetic regulation, I think a good 90%) to be in line with the aesthetic regulation. JackkBrown (talk) 21:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

While those changes are invisible in the rendered text, I disagree that they're aesthetic. But why change those links at all? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: I edited the whole page, correcting many errors and imprecisions, and not just the (unnecessary) things, which were in any case together with other changes (e.g., I edited the wikilinks, but in the same modification I took care of the uppercase, lowercase, italics, quotation marks, plural form, etc.), to which you refer. JackkBrown (talk) 21:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand that. But you're making an effort to change links in a way that's contrary to the guidelines I pointed out, and I wonder why you're doing so. Those aren't unnecessary corrections - they're miscorrections. MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOTBROKEN tell you not to make those changes. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: I understand, I'm not going to do that either. I'll tell you one thing: I will study all the rules well. JackkBrown (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I know there are many rules (and I'm sure I only know a fraction of them). Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin I think competency is required here. I think this user is lacking it now. Any permanent solution for this? Maliner (talk) 09:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Maliner: I am not competence in some things, but I would like to point out that, thanks to me, the English language Wikipedia has become much more accurate than before (I have corrected countless erroneous dashes and quotation marks, added countless missing commas, made many pages italicised (when it's correct to do so, of course), improved numerous sentences, corrected countless captions, corrected countless punctuation, and much more). Don't discredit my work, thank you. Have a good day. JackkBrown (talk) 14:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Then you went to "Counting rods" and did the same thing again!

[[positional numeral system]] → [[Positional notation|positional numeral system]]

[[Sunzi]] → [[Sun Tzu|Sunzi]]

Just for clarity, let me quote a very brief excerpt from WP:NOPIPE:

N [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]]

Y [[Mozart]]

Are you using some form of editing software that suggests these edits?

Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 11:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: as for "MOS:NOPIPE" and "WP:NOTBROKEN", I am still trying to learn. JackkBrown (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not that difficult. Just don't make links more complicated than they need to be.

Here are some changes you made at "Capsicum annuum":

[[nightshades]]Y → [[Solanaceae|nightshades]]N

[[bird pepper]]Y → [[Capsicum annuum var. glabriusculum|bird pepper]]N

[[bumble bee]]sY → [[Bumblebee|bumble bees]]N     ([[bumblebee]]sY might be an improvement)

[[oligophagous]]Y→ [[Oligophagy|oligophagous]]N

[[Guajillo chile]]Y → [[Guajillo chili|Guajillo chile]]N     ([[Guajillo chili]]Y might be an improvement)

[[U.S. National Arboretum]]Y → [[United States National Arboretum|U.S. National Arboretum]]N

WP:NOPIPE and WP:NOTBROKEN say don't do that! Keep links short and simple. Redirects are fine. I'd like to know: are you using software that encourages you to make those changes? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 17:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: no, I do everything manually (I should learn to select which wikilinks to correct and which not, instead of correcting them all). JackkBrown (talk) 17:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For all the work on List of Italian dishes --ThatOneWolf (talk|contribs) 16:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@ThatOneWolf: thank you very much, you too did a great job, saving me more or less half an hour of work. JackkBrown (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:SINGLE

Please see MOS:SINGLE. If you have been going around changing single quotation marks into double ones around glosses and translations, you need to undo that, as I undid it at Orzo.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: yes, unfortunately I have done this on many pages since I created the profile; it's the only repeated error that I have not corrected. How do I do it now? I have almost 30,000 changes under my belt. JackkBrown (talk) 22:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

"it's the only repeated error that I have not corrected" is not true. In innumerable cases you've put bare ''...'' italics around non-English terms instead of using {{lang}}, and you just posted on my talk page about a need to go through all your edits to fix something pertaining to portal templates.

For about the fifth time now, I'm going to make this point as clearly as I can and without any potential for misunderstanding: If you are neither fluent enough in English nor conversant enough in our style guidelines to: a) know when something should be italicized (preferably with {{lang}} when it is a foreignism) in English, b) know when something is a proper name under English conventions and should be capitalized, c) know when to use which punctuation marks in this language and on this site (like double versus single quotation marks), d) understand how to use our language and other templates, and e) have sufficient competence or incentive for learning on your own how to get up to speed on what you haven't learned yet without asking someone repetitive questions every single day, then: you need to stop doing edits that involve alleged "correction" of italicization and punctuation in English. You are doing more harm than good, in creating a lot of cleanup work for other editors to do after you, and sucking up scarce volunteer time asking the same sorts of questions over and over again. If you want to continue working on English Wikipedia, you need to find something else to do here, such as finding and interpreting Italian-language sources for Italy-related subjects that this Wikipedia is not covering adequately, or doing something else, like finding broken links and repairing them with web.archive.org |archive-url= and |archive-date= parameters in the citation templates, or doing pretty much anything else other than what you have been doing. I will also repeat that you are probably better off focusing on it.wikipedia.org anyway, which needs more help from Italian-speakers than en.wikipedia.org does.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

"Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point"

JackkBrown,

You've made a series of edits ([4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14]) changing the style of section headings in a number of articles to a format that you claim not to prefer, with the justification that another user prefers it like that. This looks a lot like WP:POINT: editors engaging in "POINTy" behavior are making edits with which they do not actually agree, for the deliberate purpose of drawing attention and provoking opposition in the hopes of making other editors see their "point".

Here you were pointed to a recent RfC on the subject of capitalisation in titles, with the advice: "as long as the usage in a particular article is consistent, it's probably best not to go around changing these." That looks like good advice to me.

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 14:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: no, no attention-seeking, I simply completed the work that the user in question has done on other pages. JackkBrown (talk) 14:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I had a quick look through his edit history and didn't spot examples other than "Coldplay". But given that you say you disagree with his position, and given that there's no strong reason to favour a particular style, why are you imposing all these changes? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: yes, I was referring to that page. JackkBrown (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Or how about these two edits at "Taylor Swift" that pretend to be link fixes (the first violates WP:NOTBROKEN and the second maybe MOS:DL) but are actually changing the style of section headings from upper to lower case? If you want to change the heading style, why aren't you being open about it? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: please read the description of my user page, where I clearly wrote that "...sometimes it can happen that within the descriptions of my edits I don't specify all the changes I make; the reason for this is that I don't pay much attention to the descriptions of my edits, because the change is, objectively, much more important than its description...". JackkBrown (talk) 16:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've read that. It's a bit like saying, "I don't intend to follow the guidelines", and then when it's pointed out that you're not following the guidelines, saying, "I told you I didn't intend to follow the guidelines". Here's a suggestion: if you really want to change the heading style on a page, make it clear in your edit summary that that's what you're doing. If someone reverts your edit, discuss the issue. Don't go changing a dozen pages to discredit the person who disagreed with you. Don't sneak changes under the radar. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: what you wrote in this last message is right. JackkBrown (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You've already been blocked once for making robotic and unhelpful minor edits and not listening to people who make principled objections to them. It is disruptive to use misleading edit summaries, and it is disruptive to go around making pointless changes to heading formatting, especially in a POINTy manner of not agreeing with the changes but doing them to enforce someone else's preference to be more consistent in more places. This is nonsensical, and you are likely to be blocked again, for longer, if this kind of behavior doesn't stop. It is looking more and more like you are not here to actually work on an encyclopedia, but to just fiddle around with stuff in largely unconstructive ways, to interact with people socially (my talk page has been overwhelmingly dominated by you for weeks), and to rack up a big edit count, without lately actually doing anything encyclopedic that I've seen. Your earlier work on repairing image captions was much more useful (thus the barntar).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed you've been removing the {{pizza}} template from a number of pizza-related articles, without an explanatory edit summary. Can you explain your reason for doing so? WWB (talk) 18:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Apocheir (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Apocheir: good evening gentle user. I replied, and I repeat, I understand when I'm wrong, but what would I have done this time? I merely wrote that it's not nice to write "like an upset child". JackkBrown (talk) 18:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

"Grine sauce"?

I noticed the item "Grine sauce" at "List of Italian dishes", and wondered if it should be there. It was added here in 2008. I wondered if it's a jokey rendering of "salsa verde". Any ideas? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: this user was most probably referring to salsa verde (the Italian "green sauce"), he also misspelled "green" ("grine" does not exist in any language). JackkBrown (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It does actually: wikt:grine. But this Scandinavian term surely can't have anything to do with Italian food, and it's surely a green typo.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Pointless editing, again

What was the point of this edit? Apart from clogging up watchlists, it added no value to the article at all. I thought you'd agreed previously to refrain from making this sort of pointless edit, which some editors may consider WP:DISRUPTIVE. Bazza (talk) 16:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: I thought it was a good change; you had added spaces to the paragraphs, and it seemed unfair, as no paragraph titles have spaces in that article. JackkBrown (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It is definitely discouraged to make edits that do nothing for the end-reader's benefit, but are not in and of themselves errors, just "cosmetic" in the code, unless they are done as part of a more substantive edit (actually improving something). And either heading style is permitted; it's should simply be consistent throughout the article one way or another.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

I made an unnecessary edit on my discussion page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1188700113); is this allowed here and on my user page? JackkBrown (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:ANI pointless edits

Despite being warned multiple times, you are continuing to edit WP:ANI disruptively. For the next week, I want to see zero edits to existing comments. For example, this is an edit to an existing comment you made. I want to see zero more instances of that. You are still free to participate in the discussion there by making new comments (for example, this is a new comment, not an edit to an existing comment). --Yamla (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

@Yamla: to avoid making mistakes, I will no longer participate in discussions, I will finish replying to the ongoing ones and then that's it. JackkBrown (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: Very well deserved!

Thank you so much, it was a surprise and I was really pleased... :-) Thanks again. Hi, --LukeWiller (talk) 17:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC).

@LukeWiller: you're welcome, you really deserve it! By the way, I'm editing the Neapolitan cuisine and Cuisine of Abruzzo pages, if you want to have a look at it too, that would be great. JackkBrown (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@LukeWiller: on your user page you wrote "My two barnstars", no more, now there are three ;) JackkBrown (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I only now realized that I hadn't read the last two messages you wrote above: I didn't get the ping in both cases. --LukeWiller (talk) 22:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC).

Question about page move

I have asked a question about a page move at Talk:La Comédie-Italienne. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: Two Italians at work!

Hi, I'm writing you my impressions of the two articles. The article on Neapolitan cuisine is really bad, it should be completely rewritten with the addition of sources, while the article on Cuisine of Abruzzo is a good article (the only flaw it has is the layout of the entire text with bullet points: there are really too many, the discursive part is really poor). In both cases, it would be a long job, and I don't have any sources on the topics at home. --LukeWiller (talk) 22:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC).

Re: Cucina napoletana

Yes, the article on Wikipedia in Italian is much better: as per the tag, additional sources would be needed where they are missing. --LukeWiller (talk) 12:51, 16 December 2023 (UTC).

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1190440329

Sorry, but I didn't understand your request: what should I do? Hi, --LukeWiller (talk) 14:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC).

Hi, the idea is right, but I don't have time to add the link: there are so many articles. I am in fact engaged in a rather long work on Italy (I am arranging all the articles present in the {{Italy topics}} template). Hi, --LukeWiller (talk) 16:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC).

Hi, "timballo" is a pasta dish, while "pasta e ceci" be written in italics. --LukeWiller (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC).

@LukeWiller: thanks! JackkBrown (talk) 19:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I read your changes in real time: in my opinion a dish must only be mentioned once, otherwise, as you claim, the regional lists would make no sense. In my opinion, only the most famous dishes should be on the main lists. --LukeWiller (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC).

I'm always of my opinion: a dish must only be mentioned once, otherwise, as you claim, the regional lists would make no sense. In my opinion, only the most famous dishes should be on the main lists. --LukeWiller (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC).

I didn't understand: could you explain yourself better? --LukeWiller (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC).

Ok now I understand: I think the meaning is that the note refers to the entire chapter, but in fact it is in the wrong place and should be moved in the text (perhaps repeated) corresponding to the information to which it refers. --LukeWiller (talk) 15:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but I don't know. --LukeWiller (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC).

Re: List of Italian dishes#Dishes and foods

It seems very generic to me as a request: the list is endless, I don't have time to check it all item by item. --LukeWiller (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC).

Ah, ok, sorry, I didn't understand. In my opinion they are out of context: it is the entire chapter that deals with the fact that Italy has many unique dishes and foods. At most, if there isn't a paragraph dealing with the categorization of the five dishes, they could be listed in a new paragraph entitled "Other". --LukeWiller (talk) 21:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC).

Hi, I wrote in the talk you reported. --LukeWiller (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC).

Here. Or maybe you meant something else? --LukeWiller (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC).

Ah, ok, but Bazza has already answered you: at least take a look at the dictionary he linked to you. --LukeWiller (talk) 19:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC).

Of course you can ask questions: but if you consult the dictionary you will find out whether the name of a type of dish is common in the English language or not. Then if you can't find the answers in the dictionary, just ask in the talks. --LukeWiller (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC).

Strange edits

At Monza I fixed a bunch of your edits. Please review to get a better idea of good practices. Dicklyon (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

A Happy Holidays to U :)

Hello JackkBrown: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Jerium (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Jerium (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jerium: Merry Christmas to you and your family too! JackkBrown (talk) 17:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2024!

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Dicklyon (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Merry Christmas to you and your family too! JackkBrown (talk) 15:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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@Neveselbert: Merry Christmas to you and your family too! JackkBrown (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The section is: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Partial_block_for_JackkBrown Thank you. Star Mississippi 22:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I have revisited this issue at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#JackKBrown_again. Star Mississippi 03:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Fixing redirects

Hi JackkBrown!

I noticed in your recent edits to The Pickwick Papers (specifically this one), you changed several wikilinks to bypass redirects. Although you were undoubtedly trying to help out, WP:NOTBROKEN states that It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]]. This also goes for template names, such as changing {{about}} to {{About}}. Looking at your Talk Page archive, I see that you have already been told about these issues multiple times before ([15] [16] [17] [18]).

Please also take to heart other advice given you, such as these two suggestions to avoid cluttering up others' watchlists by consolidating your edits into one larger edit instead of doing multiple small edits, and not making pointless whitespace edits like this one (also to Pickwick Papers). You were already briefly blocked for this sort of thing before. Best, Smdjcl (talk) 17:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smdjcl: as far as whitespace is concerned, it can happen; however, I have improved a lot and now come across this unpleasant "error" once every 500 edits or so (one must consider that I have almost more than 44,000 edits under my belt). JackkBrown (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

You say that you have improved with regard to whitespace, and yet in this edit, which you made after my message above, you added unnecessary whitespace, in addition to unnecessarily fixing redirects. See also this edit (also after previous my message), where you again unnecessarily changed whitespace and the capitalization of the infobox template. And this edit where you needlessly removed a blank line and did nothing else. That's a bit more than one every 500 edits or so.

Having more than 44,000 edits doesn't mean a whole lot when many of them are these sorts of unnecessary changes, or you undoing your own previous edits like in these three edits, or doing in multiple edits what could have easily been done in one, as in these two edits.

You do good work. If you slowed down a bit, consolidated and previewed your edits, and avoided these unnecessary changes, you would help even more. Smdjcl (talk) 00:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smdjcl: thanks for your appreciation of my work. JackkBrown (talk) 09:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

You still haven't responded to my other points, and you continue to make these same edits "fixing" redirects and whitespace [19] [20] [21] [22], along with having to revert yourself when you could have avoided it by using preview [23] [24] [25], and spreading across multiple edits things that could easily have been done in one like in these edits. All of these edits occurred after my last talk page message.

You've already been taken to ANI multiple times. Please try taking what people have said there and here to heart before you end up there again. Smdjcl (talk) 20:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smdjcl: do you know that there's a user, in this encyclopedia, who modifies the pages by removing spaces (I appreciate his work) and does nothing other than this? I will not tell you his username, because I have respect for him (and because you aren't an investigator); besides him, I have found others users. Why am I the only one being shouted at? I know I'm important to this encyclopaedia, but not that important. However, thanks for your work. JackkBrown (talk) 20:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I second what Smdjcl has said about listening to what other editors are telling you. Just because other editors do something doesn't make it okay. Consider that the community has enforced bans on performing cosmetic edits like the ones you've done. You are not being shouted at, but you are being asked to change a disruptive behavior, and being reminded what tends to happen to editors who do not change disruptive behavior. Is there a reason why you're continuing to change the whitespace despite WP:WHITE, and why you aren't using the preview function? EducatedRedneck (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@EducatedRedneck: the problem is that I edit quickly, and very very very carefully, so unfortunately I don't pay much attention to this ban on cosmetic changes. Maybe I should do less editing. JackkBrown (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Is it impossible to simply change how you edit? You, of course, have the choice to stop editing if that's what's best for you. You also have the choice of continuing to not pay much attention to this community norm, in which case it's likely that you will be forced to stop editing, which ends the same as the first. I would suggest that a better outcome for everyone, yourself and the encyclopedia, is for you to simply change how you edit. That is, to edit very carefully by using the preview button, and to avoid changing whitespace.

Smdjcl has made the point that you're valuable to the encyclopedia. I agree that Wikipedia would be much better off if you can change this detail of how you operate. I do recognize that it's a hard process, and thank you for even considering it; habits are hard to break, after all! As long as your trying, I think most editors will be happy to help if they can, and your response below does a good job of giving us a signal that you'll be trying. Thank you; I appreciate you letting us know, so we can be more patient! EducatedRedneck (talk) 20:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't go around looking for people to report. I came here because some of your edits showed up on my watchlist. I have continued to come here because your previous responses had no admission of wrongdoing or intent to change, and your talk page archives contain more of the same.

Echoing EducatedRedneck, just because someone else is doing the same thing doesn't make it okay, especially when multiple editors have told you it's not. Rest assured, though, I have no intention of looking for him.

If my comments have seemed like shouting to you, I apologize, such was not my intention. However, you have repeatedly ignored editors telling you to stop pointless cosmetic edits, and I'm trying to get you to realize how problematic your actions are before you end up banned at ANI. Smdjcl (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smdjcl: I would like to find a solution, but it's difficult for me, it's a big flaw of mine and I recognize it. JackkBrown (talk) 20:52, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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Re List of Italian dishes

Hi, neither: they have a different name. Probably the error highlighted in note 28 was caused by content removal which also eliminated the note to which note 28 refers. Try checking in history, and if you don't find it, first find another source. --LukeWiller (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC).

Hey

Full name is left out when it's the same as the article's name, just so you know. Stop acting like you're the smartest person here and reverting other people's work. 77.221.0.38 (talk) 11:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Personal attacks made via IP address are too comfortable. JackkBrown (talk) 18:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Still, full name is left out if it matches the article's name. Next time you revert without a good reason, I will report you. You cannot do as you like just because you have a profile and I don't. Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.36.154.83 (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

If you report me, you will be taken for a problematic user (in any case, you're a problematic user (two) IP address for now; your edit, annulled by Adakiko (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Said_Hamuli%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=1200359366), is sufficient to prove it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Said_Hamuli%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=1200358884), while I will be proven right. I, although I have my faults, have infinitely more experience than you in this encyclopaedia, it's not a question of having a profile but of having more experience. Look at the page of Toni Kroos, under "Full name" what do you see? Exactly, the full name. If first name and surname coincide with full name, you have to write the full name also under "Full name", I didn't decide on the rules. One last thing: if you continue with your personal attacks against me, I will be the one to report you. JackkBrown (talk) 19:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I noticed at this moment an unspeakable insult from you, "Jebem li ti familiju glupu u pičku", lit. 'I fuck your stupid family in the pussy' (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Semso98&diff=prev&oldid=1197117273), and I'm considering whether to report you anyway. Such derogatory language isn't permitted in this encyclopaedia; en.wiki isn't the right place to display your horrible behavior, you aren't welcome here. JackkBrown (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Infobox food plainlists

Documentation at Template:Infobox food does very specifically say that {{Plainlist}} may be used to separate multiple items. for the main_ingredient field, it is not a mistake for pages like Buccellato di Lucca and Carbonara to include this. Belbury (talk) 16:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury: it doesn't make sense to only do it on two pages anyway. Would you kindly help me add the plainlist template to all these? Please. List of Italian dishes. JackkBrown (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury: I will use the plainlist template instead of the flatlist template, but I would like to understand one thing: using the plainlist template, is it more correct to use capital letters between ingredients or not? JackkBrown (talk) 18:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)