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and hello. I'd like to continue the series, but my free online access to local newspapers including the Birm Post only goes up to 1900, so that's when I stopped. Without the local detail, they'd end up just a list of mini match reports, which would bore me writing them and doubtless bore the readers as well. Don't know enough about the finances to tell what effect the new ground had, but I'd suspect a combination of factors. Certainly the attendances didn't really go up as they might have hoped. They'd been over-reliant on Billy Jones's goals, and he had injuries in 1908, which probably led to the relegation. But then Alf Jones stepped down as secretary/manager, which really can't have helped, and deciding Billy Jones was finished and letting him go without bringing in any adequate replacement just compounded their inability to score goals. Nothing changes... cheers, and thanks again for the barnstar. Struway2 (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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In what way is adding significant extra material not constructive? It's not experimental, it's history. Some of the material on the page before I edited it was unsupported by evidence. In Vitrio (talk) 16:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, please note Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names. Please change that. --Serols (talk) 17:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah, OK, got it. There is reference to them as Herts Rangers so I put that in the article (it's relevant for people searching in online archives). In Vitrio (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

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Colchester Town F.C.

Thanks for your addition to this article. Just to double check, you added a line that said the club "In 1876 the club resolved to change to rugby union rules, but played under either code for a season". Instead of "either code", did you mean "both codes"? I took it to be the latter and have edited for clarity, but just wanted to double check. Cheers, Number 57 18:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes - I stumbled on that meeting when looking for someone else so made a quick correction with the view to going back at some later point to see when they changed back. The Alcock yearbook makes clear they did play both codes for at least a season. In Vitrio (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Beat you to it - was already putting the references in when you did that.  :) In Vitrio (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Problem was someone moved it to drafts as I was editing it, so... In Vitrio (talk) 04:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I've merged the two histories together. If something similar happens again, it's better to just move the draft back to article space. – Joe (talk) 13:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - I was somewhat worried I'd delete it all if I tried to do so. In Vitrio (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

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1886 Scottish Cup Final

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Thank you for adding the match report details to the 1886 Scottish Cup Final article, it is much appreciated. I noticed though the note you've added about the third goal, the way you've phrased it sounds a bit like original research. I take it one of the sources credits the goal to Sommerville? If so, could we phrase the note for the third goal the same way as the note for the first goal? I would hate for someone to change it after all the hard work you've put in to the wrong scorer.

Also, a wee tip. I'd noticed you'd added a score with a hyphen rather than an ndash (–). The style for things like scores and date ranges is to use the ndash, there's more information on it at MOS:DATERANGE and MOS:SCORES.

Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Cheers, I will have to work out how to type an ndash. It looks good "as is". The third goal is a mystery, nobody seems to agree on it (perhaps suggesting it was a total shemozzle). The Glasgow Herald reckons Somerville finished it off, although I wonder if they got it mixed up with the second. Shame they didn't have VAR then... In Vitrio (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

If only haha. There is a shortcut to type an ndash if you use the text editor (I don't know if it also exists in the visual editor). Just underneath the text field on the lefthand side (above where it says "Edit summary"), you'll see a dropdown menu with "Insert" displayed, if you click on the first box to the right of that (which has – symbol, an ndash, in the middle of it) it will insert an ndash where you are typing. I'd screenshot it for you but I.m not sure how to upload to it. Hope that helps anyway. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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List of Scottish Cup entrants

Hey, I hope you are well. Following on from the Lancelot discussion and this discussion, I thought it might be an idea to create a list of Scottish Cup entrants who don't currently have a Wikipedia article and, with the limited amount of information available on some, may never have an article. That would hopefully mean readers are still able to find out about these teams and their place in Wikipedia is rightly preserved. I have started a draft at Draft:List of Scottish Cup and Scottish Qualifying Cup entrants. As you're also interested in 19th century football, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Barnstar

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		For your work on the early days of British football. Keep up the good work! Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! There are still some prominent clubs left, then it will be how to deal with the one-hit-wonders, given I've lost 2 articles because of notability... In Vitrio (talk) 08:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The new notability rules are unfortunately making it harder to write and maintain articles about lesser known (but still important) clubs, so that must get the excitement for creating them get down a bit. Do you have plans for other articles you want to create/expand aside from the early football clubs? Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Not at the moment, motor racing is another interest so perhaps something about early Grand Prix drivers. But there are many who will be more willing/able to do that, I'm not sure how many people would want to fight the corner of, say, Vale of Leven Wanderers. Part of the hope though is that someone out there will suddenly spot the name, or google it because Great-Uncle Bob played for them, or a local historian will have a lot of info without having any other obvious outlet. In Vitrio (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good (I like motor racing as well). If any consolation, I was surprised to see that Astley Bridge and Rawtenstall (two prominent opponents of Burnley during their early years) now had articles and thus wikilinks when I revisited History of Burnley F.C.. It's just great that we, as readers, are now able to form a more extensive view of these kind of clubs. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 09:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

The big reveal on that research for me was why Blackburn Rovers won 3 FA Cups in the 1880s - they'd been cheating the rules on professionalism for so long that their players all met the residence criteria that were brought into the Cup regs as a quid pro quo for allowing professionalism. Whereas Burnley and Accrington (and some other clubs) had to field reserves because their new professionals were not yet eligible for the Cup. So Rovers, Villa, Preston, and West Brom had basically an open route. I don't think I've read that anywhere in the standard history books. In Vitrio (talk) 09:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Very interesting! Always knew Rovers were cheating and/or needed sugardaddies in order to "win" trophies :) Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 13:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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	Jordanhill F.C. is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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	Bathgate Rovers F.C. is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, it started off as me trying to distinguish between two Erin Roverses, then I found one had been someone else, and then would become someone else... In Vitrio (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you - and thank you for the tips, will take a look at working on them when I have time. :) In Vitrio (talk) 21:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Problem was that the original page also needed to stay, with some of the original text. In Vitrio (talk) 19:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Slipstreem

Hi, I just spotted Slipstreem as it wikilinked my article LA Mix. I would just like to point out that Discogs and 45cat are freely editable, and are thus not WP:RSes, and that Top of the Pops reference fails verification. Do you have any further references?--Launchballer 20:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

The pictures on those sites have the record labels, which record the personnel on the track. Also the newspaper article I linked mentions them. Not sure what's wrong with the TOTP link, I picked the BBC one from the several available as it seemed most authoritative.

(I remember first seeing "Check This Out" on The Chart Show. For ages I thought the chap in the video WAS Les Adams...)

I am sort of hoping though someone spots it and updates as to the chaps involved; I cannot find anything else about them. Maybe studio engineers who got lucky? In Vitrio (talk) 21:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)