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Sources for A-League Supporters Groups

Hi. Just saw your addition to the A-League article. Would you mind having a look at the comment I've put at Talk:A-League#Supporters Groups mostly unsourced. (Before you made your addition.) There's been three changes there today now, and you're the only other registered editor involved. I saw less point in asking the IP editors. I'm trying to approach this diplomatically. I know it's sadly common for soccer articles to not be well written or well sourced, but I reckon it would be good if we could lift our game for the main A-League article. HiLo48 (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

New Zealand Football Templates

Hi I have done some of the New Zealand templates for the OFC Nations Cup could you help me with some of the info please?

Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you know the squad numbers for 1998 at all and I had a guess for 2000. What references did you use? Merry Xmas. Mr Hall of England (talk) 17:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

OK then, thank you. Mr Hall of England (talk) 18:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The website is not that great. The only answer is to ask NZF. Mr Hall of England (talk) 13:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Mr Shit

I have updated, ref'd and published Mr Shit, so it can be included in Deaths in 2012 and some articles about PNG. He died in October. ;-( It would be good to find a source for his slogan "pig shit, chicken shit, cow shit but definitely no BULLSHIT!". John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Shunsuke Tachino

He has appeared Emperor's Cup (v Fagiano Okayama). (www.transfermarkt, www.transfermarkt) So, this article meets Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Association football-2 (Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues). I removed deletion tag. Thanks. --Japan Football (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Douglas Chamberlain

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Speedy deletion declined: Parkmore Soccer Club

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Rajon Das

I have provided reference link and removed the tag. I hope it's ok. Rossi101 (talk) 10:12, 4 March 2013 (UTC)Rossi101

Saved from grief

At one of my work locations today I was reassured that the Trans Australian train did indeed run to Perth until 1990 - I was ready to argue black and blue it didnt...(I thought it ceased in the early 70's) - btw your hatnote is useful - thanks for that... the conflation of lines (ie track and sections of track) with operations (trains and services), and rolling stock (locomotives and carraiges) is a real issue in some rail articles and in some category usage is just plain wrong. sats 09:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikify has been deprecated

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Done. Hack (talk) 01:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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I've taken a look at the Bangladesh articles and they've really turned around from where they were last year! Feel free to join the Highways project where we work on all these articles. --Rschen7754 04:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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I've started a thread at WT:PROD to adjust the wording of WP:DEPROD accordingly; if you'd like to comment there you'd be very welcome. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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I am requesting Article for Deletion - as all information is already duplicated under the Article Perth Glory FC Youth - and it is also misleading as it implies that this is a new team commencing 2014, wheras in fact it is part of a team that was founded 6 years ago, and just happens to be playing in two parallel competitions now. Matilda Maniac (talk) 05:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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The B's art needs lots and lots of work yet, its a start, thanks. satusuro 15:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Soccer = football again

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I've left a comment. Hack (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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@SatuSuro:, thanks for that. 14:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

np - its a damned jungle out there...  :( satusuro 14:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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Politicians—number of children

Hi, and thanks for your work on Australian politician articles.

I notice you inserted a numeral (later changed from 3 to 2) for "number of children" in the infobox of a WA politiician. The problem in completing this field is that the informaiton is not verified (and is indeed difficult to verify in many cases); it's also likely to be unstable (people have more children). Another issue is the relevance and possible POV in inserting this information into a prominent position—does it matter? Well, it might if trying to appeal to voters of the family values type, something that should be discouraged in balanced encyclopedic articles. I've seen clutter in infoboxes such as "One son, two step-daughters". Fascinating. Thanks. Tony (talk) 05:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Tony1:, I was just following the suggested practice, documented at {{Infobox person}}, where the number of children is numbered, unless the children are notable. Hack (talk) 06:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hack, thanks. You can see why number of children is a bit dodgy, though! I will go there to query that instruction. BTW, I've just seen full names and ages (ages???) of three children listed in an infobox. Cheers. Tony (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see the problem. I'll have a look myself. Hack (talk) 06:29, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

we're the dodgy brothers... etc

good news, if you search in trove for the dodgy pollies of wa from the 80s and 90s (I have had the misfortune to have known some personally before they became pollies) - the really good news - canberra times on trove has stuff otherwise diff to find... most of the usual suspects are there... for whatever reason trove has 1990's canberra times access/copying whatever - its great stuff! satusuro 15:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

@SatuSuro:, Yeah, the Canberra Times and Age/SMH stuff is good but it would be good to have access to The West/Western Mail/Daily News/Sunday Times etc. Hack (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

yeah so much for the 50s cutoff for c-right stuff... satusuro 23:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Cassandra Dimovski

I remove the prod for Cassandra Dimovski as the article says she plays for Melbourne Victory FC W-League of W-League (Australia) listed in WP:FPL as fully professional thus meeting WP:NFOOTBALL. Nfitz (talk) 00:30, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nfitz: yes, the W-League is listed at WP:FPL but under the section Top level leagues which are not fully professional. Hack (talk) 01:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Oops ... hmm, right next to England and France ... good grief. Sorry! Off to AFD then ... Nfitz (talk) 02:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the ref, i've expanded the article with his quote(s). Can you tell me, how do you know the article said this as you don't have a link to it online? Timeshift (talk) 09:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Hack,

This is somewhat a technical question. A link which is available in every page's history section is not working from last many days, eg:https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-articleinfo/index.php?article=Jhansi&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia. My query is there is any technical forum in Wikipedia where we can post his issue to get it resolved

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ok so midland was originally known as helena vale, but down the line there was a point where the area known as helena vale (not midland) was/is a separate location. I dont support the merge. JarrahTree 05:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

but if there is a good trove ref or somewhere else that proves I am wrong, please go ahead and merge - It's my suspicion there were 2 locations at some point with sep names and the whole thing can be confusing for punters unfamiliar with the localities and names and changes.... havent had a chance to check sources yet, cheers JarrahTree 10:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

The way I read it, Midland Junction (the locality) was founded in 1891 with Midland Junction railway station following a few years later. The municipality of Helena Vale was founded a year after the train station was built and was changed to Midland Junction because everyone just called it Midland Junction after the locality and train station. Midland Junction, the locality, became Midland, the suburb and Midland Junction, the municipality, became the Town of Mildand that was incorporated into the Shire of Swan. Hack (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, you have the sequence right - I just need to try find evidence there was a locality/usage for the eastern end of all that next to the scarp with the helena vale moniker in legit format (or not) as I lived in a suburb east of midland in the deep deep dark past, I have this niggling feeling there was more to it than the race course, the railway station and a few other things. Midvale article info as far as I can tell is probably sourced from landgate/dola/lands - the best trove source is the swan express or something or other it had brilliant gossip pages when it existed... will try to delve. JarrahTree 11:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

[Aerial Surveys Australia; HRRC (1987), Aerial photographs of Helena Vale, Western Australia, 25 March 1987 [picture], retrieved 29 June 2015] stuffed if i can get my orientation with that... JarrahTree 11:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Just a guess but is that north Swan View ie the future Stratton? Hack (talk) 11:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

could well be, I have left more details of sorts on the helena vale talk page, I wish I had all my material easily on hand, the whole bellevue, midvale, etc area is intriguing how much has been removed and destroyed of the older communities and their architecure, there is about one of the old workers cottages left on morrison road now near west midland shops, when i was young there was even the pub on the corner just across from the old west midland station... oh well, at least the midland library has a history librarian and collection, hope to get there in the next week or so JarrahTree 13:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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