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Guild of Copy Editors December 2016 News

Guild of Copy Editors December 2016 News Hello everyone, and welcome to the December 2016 GOCE newsletter. We had an October newsletter all set to go, but it looks like we never pushed the button to deliver it, so this one contains a few months of updates. We have been busy and successful! >>> Sign up for the December Blitz! <<< Coordinator elections for the first half of 2017: Nominations are open for election of Coordinators for the first half of 2017. Please visit the election page to nominate yourself or another editor, and then return after December 15 to vote. Thanks for participating! September Drive: The September drive was fruitful. We set out to remove July through October 2015 from our backlog (an ambitious 269 articles), and by the end of the month, we had cut that pile of oldest articles to just 83. We reduced our overall backlog by 97 articles, even with new copyedit tags being added to articles every day. We also handled 75% of the remaining Requests from August 2016. Overall, 19 editors recorded copy edits to 233 articles (over 378,000 words). October Blitz: this one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 16 through 22 October; the theme was Requests, since the backlog was getting a bit long. Of the 16 editors who signed up, 10 editors completed 29 requests. Barnstars and rollover totals are located here. Thanks to all editors who took part. November Drive: The November drive was a record-breaker! We set out to remove September through December 2015 from our backlog (239 articles), and by the end of the month, we had cut that pile of old articles to just 66, eliminating the two oldest months! We reduced our overall backlog by 523 articles, to a new record low of 1,414 articles, even with new tags being added to articles every day, which means we removed copy-editing tags from over 800 articles. We also handled all of the remaining Requests from October 2016. Officially, 14 editors recorded copy edits to 200 articles (over 312,000 words), but over 600 articles, usually quick fixes and short articles, were not recorded on the drive page. Housekeeping note: we do not send a newsletter before every drive or blitz. To have a better chance of knowing when the next event will start, add the GOCE's message box to your Watchlist. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Corinne and Tdslk. >>> Sign up for the December Blitz! <<<

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Talk:Saturated fat and cardiovascular disease controversy

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Canadian English

I undid your subheading change. I agree that "Phonemic incidence" is not a good heading (at least for most readers), but "Wavering between UK and U.S. usage" is not acceptable. It's not even accurate since the section says some "pronunciations are uniquely Canadian". Canadians may have a wider range of understood and accepted pronunciations, but "waver" not a good way to describe that. Would you say that American English pronunciation wavers because there are Americans who pronounce things differently? For that matter, I don't believe it is appropriate to use a header which describes Canadian pronunciation in terms of American vs UK. Canadians son't pronounce things in American or UK English. They may use the same pronunciations fo rsome words, but it is not because they are speaking American or British English.Meters (talk) 00:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree completely. What do you think about my new suggestion? --Espoo (talk) 00:51, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

"Remarkable use of variant pronunciations" doesn't seem quite right either. "Remarkable" is not neutral, and appears to be a judgement on our part. What about simply "Variant pronunciation"? Meters (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Or perhaps "Variable pronunciation" would be better? Meters (talk) 01:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm no expert on the topic, but the quote makes it quite plain that this is a very remarkable situation, perhaps even quite unique. Even common sense tells us that there are probably not many cultures in the world where people use variant pronunciations of the same words, and even in the same sentences. And "variable" would probably sound like they're confused and just flip-flopping because they don't have a strong opinion, contrary to almost everyone else everywhere else in the world.

So "remarkable" and "variant" are probably good, but maybe we can find a better word than "remarkable". "Unique" would be great if it's true and if we can find a source for such a strong claim.

It seems quite obvious to me as a layperson that this rare or unique situation is caused by external pressure due to the US economy forcing or enticing Canadians to use more and more US terms and pronunciations despite originally speaking a more British kind of English. So Canadians try to compromise by trying not to sound too British or too American, even going to the extreme of wavering within the same sentence. So i see i'm actually coming back to seeing the sense in using the expression "wavering" but the addition should be something along the lines of "in how much American influence they are willing to accept", but that would be too long and would sound condescending towards what is in fact a remarkable and rare flexibility in adapting to outside cultural (movies, news, etc.) and economic pressure to assimilate more closely with the US and its language without giving up a sense and pride of being different and valuable. --Espoo (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

The quote says nothing about this being unique, or remarkable, or rare. It just says "perhaps most characterizes Canadian speakers". Anything beyond that is WP:POV or possibly WP:SYNTHESIS. We don't insert our opinions or what we think common sense dictates. I'm restoring hte original version. I suggest that you take this to the article's talkpage for a general discussion if you want to change it. Meters (talk) 02:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Please, either leave it at the stable version, or take it to the talkpage so we can get more input on what it should be change to, if it should be changed. Don't try out any more variations. Per WP:BRD this should be discussed on the article's talk page. Your last attempt looks good, but I want more eyes on this now. Meters (talk) 02:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Old Master

That you thought decapitalizing this could possibly be uncontroversial just shows you are completely un-acquainted with the subject area. Please be much more careful in future. Johnbod (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Your argument is not logical. As WP:SSF says: The specialized-style fallacy (SSF) is a set of arguments that are used in Wikipedia style and titling discussions. The faulty reasoning behind the fallacy of specialized style is that because the specialized literature on some topic is [usually] the most reliable source of detailed facts about the specialty, such as we might cite in a topical article, it must also be the most reliable source for deciding how to title or style articles about the topic and things within its scope.

The whole point of a manual of style is to prevent wasting time discussing the question of capitalization on each article. Professional copyeditors like me are discouraged from improving Wikipedia by endless discussions with fanboys of different topics. According to MOS:CAPS Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization, and the capitalization of "old master" is most definitely unnecessary as shown by its very widespread lowercase use, which is proven by this spelling being so much more common that the alternative is not even listed in major dictionaries. --Espoo (talk) 09:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors February 2017 News

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Economics

Hello. Don't know if you would want to know or not, in case it is the former, I recently made this edit to the Economics page - [1]. I don't know all the legality issues so I did it to be cautious. IANAL and don't fully know the legal situation. I discuss the edit in the discussion page as well. Actually I prefer prefixing the word social to science, but copyright lawyers abound. Minimax Regret (talk) 18:29, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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Colloquialism

A request was made at WP:RM/TR to revert undiscussed bold moves you made at the Colloquialism page. I performed the revert to the stable title. You are free to open up a requested move on the article talk page. For information on how to do that, you can go to WP:RM. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Your recent "uncontroversial" article renamings

You seem to have recently submitted several "technical requests" for the renaming of articles in ways that seem actually potentially controversial. I suggest being more conservative about that in the future. Specifically, I noticed your RMTRs of legal person, Nikah mut‘ah, and Nikah Misyar. For me it is hard to imagine topics more controversial than matters of personhood, religion, marriage, and sexual practices, and I thus suggest that those clearly should have gone through the formal RM discussion process rather than being submitted as "uncontroversial technical requests". —BarrelProof (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

The last two were simple application of the very fundamental rule that article titles should be English. The first was a carefully researched bold move based on very reliable sources, which the person that first objected to that move has apparently now indirectly accepted after his apparent misunderstanding of the terminology problem.

My requests were completely in accordance with "Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves." As it also says on that page "If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ...". --Espoo (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I still suggest that when dealing with potentially controversial matters, it is best to use the formal RM discussion process rather than just moving things first and seeing whether anyone objects. This advice applies even when you are convinced that your renaming is a good idea and is supported by Wikipedia guidelines and policies. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree completely, but i really couldn't imagine anyone objecting to a move with the same Arabic word respelled as it is used in English in very reliable sources. I would think your suggestion applies to using a different expression that is colloquial in English and that someone might feel isn't respectful, but there is nothing even remotely similar here. --Espoo (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I think I'll refrain from discussing the merits of the suggestions here. That seems more appropriate to save for the RM discussions. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:21, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

gerund

You seem to have missed my point: the three words I listed (value, issue and judgmental) are all words having unreduced vowels in unaccented syllables that ARE adjacent to accented ones, thus disproving your claim that this is a "fundamental phonetic principal of English." I am glad to see that Mr KEBAB backed me up on this. Kostaki mou (talk) 23:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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IPA

Hi. Thanks for adding IPA and respellings to veganism and Asperger's syndrome, but there are several of issues with your transcriptions:

• /ɛ/ is a checked vowel and it can't ever end stressed syllables, so that the first syllables of /ˈvɛdʒənɪzəm/ and /ˈvɛdʒən/ must be respelled VEJ, not VE (IPA: /ˈvɛdʒ.ənɪzəm, ˈvɛdʒ.ən/).
• /ɜːr/ is not a stressed-only vowel. In RP, it occurs in words such as Berlin /bɜːˈlɪn/, Ernesto /ɜːˈnestəʊ/ and foreword /ˈfɔːwɜːd/, which actually forms a minimal pair with forward /ˈfɔːwəd/, at least when the latter isn't pronounced /ˈfɒrəd/. Transcribing unstressed /ɜːr/ as /ər/ is an AmE-centric transcription (AmE has a single NURSE–LETTER vowel) and so it violates WP:PRON.
• Also per WP:PRON, we don't transcribe words that are common and/or have an intuitive pronunciation. Syndrome is one of them.

Again, thanks for the edits. I've corrected these mistakes. Mr KEBAB (talk) 11:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mr KEBAB: To clarify, I'm not so sure if it's apt to describe checked vowels as impossible to end a stressed syllable without qualification. It's undeniable that they are almost never found in a word-final or prevocalic position, but whether to deem a checked vowel and the following consonant as belonging to the same syllable or not is a matter of choice. Espoo might have been merely following Merriam-Webster, who usually places a syllable division between them. But in respellings, we usually attribute both to the same syllable, unless they precede stress as in tattoo ta-TOO. Nardog (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nardog: Fair enough, that is possible. Mr KEBAB (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Use {{IPAc-en}} instad!

Hi Espoo, I kindly request that you use the template aforementioned instead of {{IPA-en}} (without the c), as I did with Quechua. Just split up the characters (per Help:IPA/English). It standardises things on Wikipedia makes it easier for non-IPA readers to know how to pronounce (along with {{Respell}} Thank you for considering! — ^{oi yeah nah mate} amazingJUSSO ... [ɡəˈdæɪ̯]! 10:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018 GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2018 News Welcome to the June 2018 GOCE newsletter, in which you will find Guild updates since the February edition. Progress continues to be made on the copyediting backlog, which has been reduced to 7 months and reached a new all-time low. Requests continue to be handled efficiently this year, with 272 completed by the end of May (an average completion time of 10.5 days). Fewer than 10% of these waited longer than 20 days, and the longest wait time was 29 days. Wikipedia in general, and the Guild in particular, experienced a deep loss with the death on 20 March of Corinne. Corinne (a GOCE coordinator since 1 July 2016) was a tireless aide on the requests page, and her peerless copyediting is a part of innumerable GAs and FAs. Her good cheer, courtesy and tact are very much missed. March drive: The goal was to remove June, July and August 2017 from our backlog and all February 2018 Requests (a total of 219 articles). This drive was an outstanding success, and by the end of the month all but eight of these articles were cleared. Of the 33 editors who signed up, 19 recorded 277 copy edits (425,758 words). April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 15 through 21 April, focusing on Requests and the last eight articles tagged in August 2017. At the end of the week there were only 17 pending requests, with none older than 17 days. Of the nine editors who signed up, eight editors completed 22 copy edits (62,412 words). May drive: We set out to remove September, October and November 2017 from our backlog and all April 2018 Requests (a total of 298 articles). There was great success this month with the backlog more than halved from 1,449 articles at the beginning of the month to a record low of 716 articles. Officially, of the 20 who signed up, 15 editors recorded 151 copy edits (248,813 words). Coordinator elections: It's election time again. Nominations for Guild coordinators (who will serve a six-month term for the second half of 2018) have begun, and will close at 23:59 UTC on 15 June. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible, and self-nominations are encouraged. Voting will take place between 00:01 UTC on 16 June and 23:59 UTC on 30 June. June blitz: Stay tuned for this one-week copy-editing blitz, which will take place in mid-June. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Corinne, Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tdslk. >>> Participate in the June elections! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Can of worms

Hi there. Unfortunately I seem to have opened up a huge can of worms regarding those pesky World Heritage sites. I was working on Tourism in India and noticed it kept incorrectly referring to the sites as "World Heritage Site", so I just made the correction as I went along, and duly noted that the article title of World Heritage sites was correct so I was satisfied with that... I then realised that List of World Heritage Sites in India was wrongly titled so I innocently tried to move it to List of World Heritage sites in India which failed for some technical reason (trying to rename over an existing redirect maybe?) Anyway I went ahead and put in (what I thought would be) an uncontroversial technical request to rename it, thinking it was a no brainer, but alas it was contested and now looks unlikely to go ahead. Not only that, but I inadvertently reopened the naming debate on the World Heritage sites page which now looks likely to get changed back to World Heritage Sites. How very very annoying!

I'm of the same opinion as you, that the "site" should be in lower case, the main reason being that we should be following UNESCO's lead. In fact, I have written to UNESCO and the National Trust about the matter. So far I've had a reply from NT saying the correct version is "World Heritage site" but many people these days use the alternative capitalised version. I suspect that is mainly through ignorance, rather than for any more concrete/logical reason, and the fact that we are relying on n-gram graphs for our reasoning is dodgy in the extreme. I am not canvassing you for an opinion, but I just wanted to draw your attention to it, as I seem to have little support and I really have been feeling very alone in this! Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Trésor de la langue française informatisé

Hi Espoo. I have swapped Trésor de la langue française informatisé and Digitized Treasury of the French Language. The reason why you could not move over the redirect was that it had Trésor de la langue française as its target. Best, Sam Sailor 10:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks --Espoo (talk) 10:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Espoo, may I know why you have restored your request [2] I have already completed your request --DBigXrayᗙ 06:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, i only saw "Reverted to revision 877176448 by C16sh (talk)" (which i've never before seen in an edit summary on RM) and didn't notice the word "done". --Espoo (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Intendant

You moved Intendant. Will you clean up the operatic articles that are now wrong? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, i'm trying to fix the incredible mess caused by many completely different topics having been linked to the original article on many topics. I will start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Intendant but that doesn't seem to have opera articles. I also found many articles that used the term theater manager, often even in the title (e.g. Robert Copeland (theatre manager)), but didn't have a link to it because it wasn't an article and was instead an incorrect redirect to stage management. And even the category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Theatre_managers_and_producers didn't have an article on its topic and was professionally enough edited to not be linked to the few lines under "other uses" of the original intendant article. --Espoo (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for all that. Unfortunately Intendant has that very specific meaning in German, with obviously no specific word in English, only theatre manager (for spoken) and opera manager. Worse: opera director, which seems to describe better what the Intendant does than manager, is a word for stage director (Regisseur in German). When I come across links I'll fix, but instead I'm getting ready for vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I made two redirects, Intendant (theatre) and Intendant (opera), and suggest to make Intendant a disambiguation page to the different meanings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Intendant is only used in British English. Please see what i wrote below:

Before you leave, could you please send me at least some examples of broken opera article links to intendant?

Have you seen my new article on theater manager? I have linked the German article on Intendant because it's on the exact same topic. The only difference is that the German word is less precise and also applies to opera manager and director general and other professions (see https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/allemand-anglais/Intendant/22832) I.e. the problem with links between the German and English Wikipedias is specifically that the situation is the exact opposite of what you said: Unfortunately Intendant doesn't have a specific meaning in German and applies to many different professions, each of which has a different specific term in English. ("...bezeichnet man im deutschsprachigen Raum gesamtverantwortliche Geschäftsführer und künstlerische Leiter einer öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalt, eines Festspielhauses, eines Theaters, eines Opernhauses, eines Sinfonieorchesters, eines Festivals oder einer ähnlichen Institution.")

Opera director is an incorrect translation of Opernintendant; correct is opera manager. The same problem is with the German term Regisseur. The ideal solution would be to have separate articles on Filmregisseur, Theaterregisseur, Opernregisseur, etc. or to have an English article called theater, opera, and film director because more and more directors switch between these genres. --Espoo (talk) 16:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Do you plan to write the "different article" on opera manager? Because, so far it's only a redirect which made me combine. - a few: Westdeutscher Rundfunk, Brigitte Fassbaender, Alexander Gibson (conductor), Stadttheater Minden, Theater Münster, Theater Freiburg, Landestheater Tübingen, Schauspiel Köln, Theater des Westens, Karl Heinz Stroux (from What links here). The search for the words opera and intendant yields 264 results, but not necessarily all with a misleading link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Mitigation means prevent it from happening. The tech definition talks about reducing emissions or enhancing sinks. The purpose of doing that is to keep it from getting any worse. UCAR puts it this way on their web page for the lay public In general, there are two different strategies when it comes to dealing with climate change. We can try to stop future warming (mitigation of climate change) or we can find ways to live in our warming world (adaptation to climate change). https://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/climate-mitigation-and-adaptation

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PS Since you have been reverted please start a thread at the article talk page and follow WP:BRD. Other page regulars will likely tell you the same thing. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Look in any dictionary. Mitigate means lessen the gravity or severity of, not prevent. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/mitigate --Espoo (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

You are right in the sense that climate change is already upon us and the warming effect of past changes to earth's climate system are still forcing Earth's energy budget into a positive (warming) state. Er go, lay media RSs talking about "warming already in the pipeline". So sure you're right that its already on us and its going to continue before it stops warming. So climate mitigation does mean lessen the impact in that diotionary sense. BUT its also true that it lessnes the impact by preventing even greater external climate forcing, and it does this "WORSE-PREVENTION" by either lowering emissions or enhancing sinks. (Geoengineering is a third prong that some want to label "mitigation" and some do not). So while the limited dictionary works, what is more important are the topical sources. Have you read the thousands-pages IPCC reports, or the hundreds-pages technical summaries, or the the ~30-page "Summaries for Policymakers"? Anyway, welcome to the climate pages! We can use all the interested editors we can get there. If you want to continue discussiung this article change, please do it at article talk so others can join us too. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Please be less aggressive and more civil in your editing. For example, you didn't even respond to my edit summary that a university website report on successful in vitro and in vivo tests is definitely a reliable source. In addition, you talk about unconfirmed conjecture despite reports in this and other reliable sources of successful testing and even a Nobel prize. In addition, you call Scientific American a news site, which is a silly attempt at defamation because the term "news site" most definitely normally refers to normal news sites, not a website like SA that has much more rigorous scientific criteria and writers who know much more about science than normal news sites. In addition, most WP readers need an article such as this to be able to understand this topic. Are you seriously claiming that there is incorrect info in this article? And are you seriously claiming that the National Center for Biotechnology Information article is not reliable? In addition, you purposely use slang terms like mBio to try to discourage most editors, since most do not know medical slang terms. And calling my response to your revert edit warring is especially silly and aggressive since my revert provided a response to your claim in the edit summary as well as additional reliable sources. You clearly have not understood some of the main principles of Wikipedia. --Espoo (talk) 22:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Espoo. You started by adding this "newsy", primary, unproven, unconventional 4 year old source, and misinformation to a sentence that ends with a linked page, drug discovery where plant- or microorganism-derived compounds are adequately discussed. That struck me as an odd edit by an experienced editor. Then you added the "ancient remedies" statement (not remedies, but possible unproven drug leads in most cases) with a source from the Nobel site (not proof of efficacy), an opinion piece (basically, a blog) from Scientific American, and a paper on primary research (the mBio ref) providing no evidence of progress toward approved drugs - all giving more primary research and conjecture. All this in the article on Drug development, which is mainly about clinical trials and achieving results through a rigorous approval process. Sorry, but it was just a surprisingly bad edit with weak unusable sources on a clinical development page where the standards for sources and content are high. Note for the future: when an editor reverts your edit with a clear edit summary, go to the talk page, and propose it for review by others to gain consensus, WP:CON. --Zefr (talk) 23:28, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate. January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here. March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now! Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone! Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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GOCE June newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2020 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since March 2020. You can unsubscribe from our mailings at any time; see below. All times and dates stated are in UTC. Current events Election time: Nomination of candidates in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 1 June, and voting will take place from 00:01 on 16 June. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought about helping out at the Guild, or you know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. June Blitz: This blitz begins at 00:01 on 14 June and ends at 23:59 on 20 June, with themes of articles tagged for copyedit in May 2020 and requests. Drive and blitz reports March Drive: Self-isolation from coronavirus may have played a hand in making this one of our most successful backlog elimination drives. The copy-editing backlog was reduced from 477 to a record low of 118 articles, a 75% reduction. The last four months of 2019 were cleared, reducing the backlog to three months. Fifty requests were also completed, and the total word count of copy-edited articles was 759,945. Of the 29 editors who signed up, 22 completed at least one copy edit. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. April Blitz: This blitz ran from 12 to 18 April with a theme of Indian military history. Of the 18 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed a total of 60 copyedits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. May Drive: This event marked the 10th anniversary of the GOCE's copy-editing drives, and set a goal of diminishing the backlog to just one month of articles, as close to zero articles as possible. We achieved the goal of eliminating all articles that had been tagged prior to the start of the drive, for the first time in our history! Of the 51 editors who signed up, 43 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news Progress report: as of 2 June, GOCE participants had processed 328 requests since 1 January, which puts us on pace to exceed any previous year's number of requests. As of the end of the May drive, the backlog stood at just 156 articles, all tagged in May 2020. Outreach: To mark the 10th anniversary of our first Backlog Elimination Drive, The Signpost contributor and GOCE participant Puddleglum2.0 interviewed project coordinators and copy-editors for the journal's April WikiProject Report. The Drive and the current Election of Coordinators have also been covered in The Signpost's May News and Notes page. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Pilferage

Greetings. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and DAB pages should not veer into lengthy descriptions with references. The DAB page at Pilferage already has a link to Wiktionary at the top. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2020.                  Current and upcoming events September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today! Election reminder: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 December. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. Drive and Blitz reports June Blitz: An uncorrected typo (even copy editors make copy editing mistakes!) led to an eight-day "leap blitz" from 14 to 21 June, focusing on requests and articles tagged in May. 19 participating editors claimed 54 copy edits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. July Drive: Over 750,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event, keeping pace with the previous three self-isolated drives. Of the 38 people who signed up, 30 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. August Blitz: From 16 to 22 August, we copy edited articles tagged in June and July 2020 and requests. 12 participating editors completed 37 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Baffle gab1978, Tdslk, Twofingered Typist, and first-time coordinator Puddleglum2.0. Reidgreg took a break after serving for a couple years. Thanks to everyone who participated! Progress report: As of 01:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 532 requests since 1 January and there were 38 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Weird Citation in one of your edits?

In this edit, you link to a NY Times article about Trump testing positive for COVID, not anything related to Mr. Woodrow Wilson. Whoops.

Nokkromancer (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

If you use your browser's search function, you can easily find the reference in the article cited. --Espoo (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh, that's embarrassing, I skimmed it too quickly. Nokkromancer (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2020 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2020.                  Current and upcoming events Election time: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before Auld Lang Syne. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. December Blitz: This will run from 13 to 19 December, and will target all Requests. Sign up now. Drive and Blitz reports September Drive: 67 fewer articles had copy-edit templates by this month's close. Of the 27 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and 124 articles were claimed for the drive. October Blitz: this ran from 18 to 24 October, and focused on articles tagged for copy-edit in July and August 2020, and all Requests. Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors copy-edited at least one article. 21 articles were claimed for the blitz. November Drive: Of the 18 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and together claimed 134 articles. At the close of the drive, 67 fewer articles were in the backlog and we had dealt with 39 requests. Other news Progress report: As of 09:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 663 requests (18 from 2019) since 1 January and there were 52 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 494 (see monthly progress graph above). Annual Report for 2020: this roundup of the year's activity at the Guild is planned for publication in late January or early February. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Seasonal tidings and cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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"Emergency use authorization" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Emergency use authorization. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 17#Emergency use authorization until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Smjg (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Gottschalk

Given that the Lafayette article lists at least three sources authored by Gottschalk, can you clarify? All the best,--Wehwalt (talk) 01:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Pecorino Romano

Hallo, I reverted your edit about Pecorino Romano because at the beginning I thought that you misunderstood what is written in the source. Actually your correction was almost right: ;-) the prohibition to salt the cheese gave to the producers the kick to organize the production outside Rome, while the increasing demand pushed them to expand (not to move) the production is Sardinia. Now I think that the text is ok, and I could have corrected it without revert, sorry. Alex2006 (talk) 15:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ethnicelebs.com as a source

Hi Espoo . I noticed that you recently used ethnicelebs.com as a source for biographical information in Lara Trump. Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that it does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. I've gone ahead and removed it. If you disagree, let's discuss it. You may want to check WP:RSP and WP:RSN to help determine if a source is reliable. Thanks.--Hipal (talk) 22:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hipal. I answered on the talk page. --Espoo (talk) 22:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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Sibelius

I agree with most of your copy-editing there but am not sure about "throughout the world" vs. "internationally". I could imagine regions of the world that have no relation to Sibelius music, therefore would be careful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Good point about being careful to not be too Western-centric, but "internationally" would be Finglish use of that word, which is a pet peeve of mine. In fact, it would be not just bad English but arguably even more presumptuous than "throughout the world". I'm no expert but am quite sure that some of Sibelius's works are performed on all continents so that expression wouldn't be an exaggeration, but your good warning prompted me to replace it with "very many countries". Thanks. --Espoo (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I like that better. Please explain the Finglish, - English is not my native language, and I may miss something. I believe all continents, but "throughout" would tell me something like "all countries". Always learning! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe "throughout the world" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "in every country", but that may be just my opinion. If a new idea has reached all continents, one could perhaps agree that it has traveled through the world and is now known throughout the world without yet being known in all towns or even in all countries. I however agree that wouldn't be clear and my usage was simply a first knee jerk reaction to the Finglish use of "internationally". In other words, i fixed that but didn't take into consideration how wrong and Western-centric "throughout the world" would be for many countries.

Performing or recording a work internationally would be something like a BBC broadcast of the queen's speech to the Commonwealth or a not necessarily simultaneous recording of Fridays for the future protests in many countries. Finns use the word international in many incorrect ways, and this article's incorrect use ("his works are regularly performed and recorded in his home country and internationally") isn't yet in the already long list on https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kansainv%C3%A4linen --Espoo (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I read things like "abroad" but am not happy with that either. About performers, you often want to say that they appeared in more than their home country. Sometimes, we can specify "in Europe and the Americas", but more often, that's too limited (or will be limited when they enter Japan, and we wouldn't notice), then what? I confess that I used "internationally" in such cases, - wrong? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

That depends on the language and content contexts. I wouldn't consider "she has appeared internationally" to be correct English, but it's comprehensible and sometimes used instead of the correct, good, and conveniently vague "abroad". Why not use "in (very) many countries, including A, B, and C"? --Espoo (talk) 11:36, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I think I'll rather turn to "abroad", as much shorter, for the lead, and specify countries if useful in the body. I'd avoid "very many" as somewhat duplicate. German has no equivalent to "abroad", - "auswärts" would be where a sports team plays when not at home. Feel free to copy-edit "my" articles anytime, - BWV 227 up for peer review, - that's the work of many, before and after me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

"has appeared abroad" = has played only a few concerts in probably only one foreign country; has appeared in a few countries = 3 to 4; in many countries = 4 to 6; in very many countries = more than 6. So you see that "many" would be wrong for performances of Sibelius's music. We have the exact equivalent of "abroad" in German: im Ausland. --Espoo (talk) 14:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Interesting counting ;) - For me, 6 would still be "a few". - For some, all that needs to be said is "remained local" vs. "was recognised internationally". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

GOCE June 2021 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, our first newsletter of 2021, which is a brief update of Guild activities since December 2020. To unsubscribe, follow the link at the bottom of this box. Current events Election time: Voting in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 16 June and will conclude at the end of the month. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Have your say and show support here. June Blitz: Our June copy-editing blitz is underway and will conclude on 26 June. Drive and blitz reports January Drive: 28 editors completed 324 copy edits totalling 714,902 words. At the end of the drive, the backlog had reached a record low of 52 articles. (full results) February Blitz: 15 editors completed 48 copy edits totalling 142,788 words. (full results) March Drive: 29 editors completed 215 copy edits totalling 407,736 words. (full results) April Blitz: 12 editors completed 23 copy edits totalling 56,574 words. (full results) May Drive: 29 editors completed 356 copy edits totalling 479,013 words. (full results) Other news Progress report: as of 26 June, GOCE participants had completed 343 Requests since 1 January. The backlog has fluctuated but remained in control, with a low of 52 tagged articles at the end of January and a high of 620 articles in mid-June. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Tenryuu and Twofingered Typist, and from member Reidgreg. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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