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Unpipe.js

This is wonderful! Thank you so much. Obviously I'll continue to test it before I begin unleashing it on real pages, but at first sight it seems just the ticket. Thanks again, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I have to disagree. For example, on North Wales Main Line it changed [[Anglesey|Isle of Anglesey]] to [[Anglesey]], while on Marshlink line, it changed [[A259 road|A259]] to [[A259]] which appears to contradict MOS:SPECIFICLINK. Jean-de-Nivelle, can you stop using this script until this issue is looked at? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, of course. I've been checking all my edits before (or sometimes after) publishing though, so I think I've caught any anomalies as they arise. There are one or two issues with the way it handles section links [[A#B|C]] as well. But this is only a prototype. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 12:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I've just spotted three errors in three separate articles, so my conclusion is that the script is buggy and shouldn't be used unless these are fixed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: Can you elaborate on those issues? The way it's intended to work is that if "A#B" and "C" both lead to the same section (through a redirect or not), it will convert it to [[C]]. Nardog (talk) 04:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I haven't had time to test out the issue comprehensively yet. [[A#B|C]] → [[C]] seems to work fine. [[A#B|A]] is problematic: for example, [[Louisiana#Law and government|Louisiana]] becomes [[Louisiana]]. [[Digital Audio Broadcasting#United Kingdom|Digital Audio Broadcasting]] becomes [[Digital Audio Broadcasting]]. I meant to test a range of situations, but I've been dealing with other things.

One other small problem is deliberate disambiguation links - things like [[A (disambiguation)|A]]. It's easy enough to check for those and fix them before (or after) publishing an edit, but an automatic fix would be great. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 09:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that should be fixed now. I wanted it to replace links like [[Foo|foo]] offline because there's no need to see if they're redirects in the first place, but I forgot about the possibility that the first part can contain a section.

The script already skips links whose first part ends in  (disambiguation) since 13 January. Nardog (talk) 09:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

That was quick! I'd actually noticed that you'd fixed the disambiguation thing already, but it had slipped my mind.

Do you have any idea how many editors are using the script now? I know of at least one other. I'd also be very interested to hear your views on the wikipolitics of the situation. There's a discussion over on my Talk page here. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 10:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It's been installed by like a dozen people already, which is surprising (perhaps they saw your summaries). I've created documentation. Nardog (talk) 02:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I know of one editor who'd followed the link in my edit summary, plus Ritchie333 of course. I'd suggested it to another editor here, but as far as I know they haven't been using it. I wasn't sure about the etiquette of giving credit, so I just left the link in my edit summaries. There's probably a conversation to be had about its wider application, but it's been a very useful tool in a specific context. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 14:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a quick correction: it actually changed [[Anglesey|Isle of Anglesey]] to [[Isle of Anglesey]], which is what it's designed to do. It stripped out an unnecessary pipe while leaving the target page and the displayed text unchanged. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 12:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, I don't think MOS:SPECIFICLINK applies here. [[A259 road|A259]] and [[A259]] are equivalent links with the same target page and the same displayed text. The script seems to be working as intended, following WP:NOPIPE. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 12:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Edit on The People's Joker

My bad, I usually try to be careful when I'm changing "movie → film" in articles but I missed the quotation marks for once -Gouleg🛋️ ^harass/_hound (she/her) 13:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Complications

I don’t see how cat-next is much more complicated to not be a shortcut. It’s still a shortcut link, just configurable. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I created the Shortcuts section to lump together all scripts that basically did "nothing but" add portlet links. cat-next not only allows the user to configure it but provides an interface for it. That's more like a searching feature. Nardog (talk) 02:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how that makes it like searching, plus that doesn't change its nature of being like a shortcut. It seems like it'll be more useful to group it inside shortcuts, as all of these extensions serve similar purposes. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Going to put that back for now :p Aaron Liu (talk) 12:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

If it provides an interface to configure itself it's more than just a shortcut. This demarcation was important for the purpose of organizing the list as a whole, which was a chaos before I made that section. Please let us not lose it. Nardog (talk) 13:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

What did it look like before that, then?

I really don’t see the merits (the reason) for banishing anything that exposes its configuration to another section, especially since its intended functionality is to be a shortcut and “Appearance and behavior” is very much not apt to describe it. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I've moved it to "Customizable" along with PortletLinks, I hope that satisfies you. Nardog (talk) 14:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Aaron Liu (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Quick note on Katakana

Thanks for your edits to Katakana.

I guess we don't use ruby characters because WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Anyway, I think it looks awkward for the kana to be written right after the kanji. Awesome Aasim 18:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Revert

Hello friend. Regarding this revert, is it really necessary to enforce WP:TPO on obvious typos? Maybe I'm reading the room wrong, but I think most editors would appreciate this type of uncontroversial, helpful fix. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Boldly fixing "obvious typos" in other people's comments is outside the norm of what's tolerated as far as I've seen. Precisely because what's "uncontroversial" or "helpful" is subjective and varies from person to person, I think we err on the side of preserving the record. Nardog (talk) 11:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The above diff seems like a case of WP:NOTBURO to me. Filer and filter are both words, and the sentence makes no sense using the word filer. It's an obvious typo, and it saves people time and mental energy to correct it. Seems like a waste to type this or to ping @Xaosflux when I can just fix it... –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

If it's an obvious typo then nobody reading will have trouble understanding it. Our signatures don't exist for nothing. Nardog (talk) 12:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Reverted draftification

Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your draftification of Anora (Sri Lankan film). The reason I did this is because articles older than 90 days should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD, per the result of this RfC / WP:DRAFTIFY (point 2d). Hey man im josh (talk) 14:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: You've got the wrong person. It's Οἶδα who draftified it. You should move it back to Anora (upcoming film) per WP:NCFILM. Nardog (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh crap, it appears I do. Sorry about that @Nardog! Thanks for correcting me, I'll head over to their talk page :P Hey man im josh (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: Again, can you move it back? Otherwise why did you roll back my move as well? Nardog (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hold your horses, I had stuff I was working on. It's been completed, but in the future, you can also use WP:RMTR. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the confusion Nardog. Οἶδα (talk) 19:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Okieriete Onaodowan

I'm curious as to why you think there is a /d/ in Okieriete. When I listen to the cited video as well as this, I hear /ɾ/ not /d/. And I feel like this makes sense because ⟨r⟩ often correlates to a flap and not /d/. Also, it sounds like the first syllable is /ɔ/ not /oʊ/.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

There's no /ɾ/ in most (especially L1) varieties of English. So {{IPAc-en|ɾ}} yields //. [ɾ] occurs as an allophone of /t/ and /d/ in NAmE, and speakers of such varieties typically perceive it as /d/ (as noted in Flapping, and to the point that the OED represents flapped /t/ as /d/). Using /d/ is also done in Guy Fieri, a similar case where the bearer pronounces ⟨r⟩ as [ɾ].

The first vowel in the clips indeed sounds like LOT rather than GOAT (THOUGHT is unlikely given the spelling), so I've incorporated your pointing out. Nardog (talk) 11:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Melbourne pronunciation

Hello there

You recently reverted the pronunciation of Melbourne back to an rhotic pronunciation. This looks to be contrary to policy which states: "If the pronunciation in a specific accent is desired, square brackets may be used, perhaps with a link to IPA chart for English dialects, which describes several national standards, or with a comment that the pronunciation is General American, Received Pronunciation, Australian English, etc. Local pronunciations are of particular interest in the case of place names. If there are both local and national or international standards, it may be beneficial to list both."

Could you please make the appropriate change,

Thank you Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how it's contrary to the guideline when it only says "it may be beneficial to list both". The crux of that section is that you can't use {{IPAc-en}} for non-diaphonemic transcriptions. We may add "locally [ˈmælbən]" to note not only the non-rhoticity but the lowering of DRESS before /l/ typical in the region, but we can't remove /r/ from the diaphonemic transcription. Nardog (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point and would suggest that we add "locally [ˈmælbən]" My only concern is this makes the opening a bit crowded given that we also have the re-spelling pronunciation and Indigenous names. Perhaps we could replace the re-spelling template with the local pronunciation. What do you think? Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 21:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

IPA comment

Hi @Nardog,
I was looking into this some days ago and wants to know the reason for your comment: unsourced, languages don't match.
Critically, I still advice before responding to listen to the pronunciation too:
Listen^ⓘ— Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, the audio is Igbo so using the English IPA made no sense (and it sounds not at all like /aʊbɪ/). I've restored the audio with Igbo IPA. "Peter" and "Gregory" sound just English rather than assimilated to Igbo, so "Obi" is the only part that's of potential interest to readers of this Wikipedia (possibly "Onwubuasi" too, but it's not said in the audio). Nardog (talk) 07:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Note

Hello! Could you take a look at this discussion? Thanks in advance. Summer92 (talk) 12:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)