User talk:Enochlau/Archive 2005b

This page contains archived material written on my talk page during 2005.

You're a sysop!

Hi, Enochlau/Archive 2005b, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop

Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=

Please also add your name to WP:LA. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Woohoo! Enochlau 12:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations Enochlau! Enjoy your new wiki powers, which you've well earned.--cj | talk 11:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulatulations (drunk and at work) from the land of ice and snow. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:45, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• What's the big deal? It's only a mop... ;-) Congrats! BD2412 T 13:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. If the request had been more publicised, I probably would have voted. I guess I should pay more attention to these things! JPD (talk) 19:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Deepmix

IMHO, I think you're reading CSD A3 too narrowly. By the standards you give, I could create an article whose sole contents are "Here is a picture of my cat," followed by a link, and you would not consider that speediable under A3. If A3 doesn't apply here, A1 surely must. The article tells us nothing about the radio station, what its listenership is like, what if any significance it has. If you disagree, please feel free to remove the speedy tag and send it to AfD instead. Regards, howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

KNTC

The reason why I tagged it for speedy delete was that I assumed it was a copyvio, since the contributor's other articles were aslo copyvios. I haven't found an exact match for this, but this link comes close. Sorry for the inconvenience, but the article as it stands doesn't come out good at all. I was going to tag it for cleanup, but as I originally entered this, it was deleted anyway. ErikNY 02:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Really?

Did you really spend your night sending RFA thanks? =) Now that's some addiction... jnothman ^talk 12:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a question of tradition- with that a familiar - just a question of Saturday night pasttime. Then again, I'm here too- my plans fell apart. jnothman ^talk 13:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

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Afraid of banstick...

Hello, i have recently been adding some lore for the online game Dark and Light. This lore draws on established mythology, but the Agnar(DnL) page has been deleted, even though i am quite sure that i cited my sources, and i was not even contacted about the deletion... it was just removed... i would go and recreate the page, and be sure that i cited my sources (as can be found on Gothar) but i am a little afraid of the banstick... Fosnez 01:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 02:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC))

Concerning Frederick Noel Dotson III

Looking back at the history of this article --Frederick Noel Dotson III - in the initial comments, the author indicated it was about his/her father -- "(This article is solely about my father.)" The article says "presiding", not "president" - I think the author meant "residing". There is a town called Oracle in Arizona. As far I could find, there is no Dotson associated with Oracle -- thus the nomination for speedy delete. At this point, an anon IP has blanked the article. ERcheck 03:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• BTW - president of Oracle is Charles Philips and Oracle main offices are in California, not Arizona. ERcheck 03:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 07:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC))

List of heroes

Why you deleted List of non-fictional heroes? 213.114.215.199 10:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of non-fictional heroes. Enochlau 13:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

delete List of villains to. otherwise its not fair. 213.114.215.199 14:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 15:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC))

It's probably too late — I missed the AfD — but I would have voted to move the page to List of historical people portrayed as heroes, with restrictions similar to those at List of historical people portrayed as villains. It doesn't seem to me that there was a strong consensus on the AfD page, but I defer to your judgement. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, please, it would be wonderful if you could provide me with the former content of List of non-fictional heroes. I won't be able to work on the proposed List of historical people portrayed as heroes for some time, but when I do have time it would be great to have this as a resource. Thank you! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 22:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

Thanks, Enochlau. At a glance, it seems that it will require more work to massage into the NPOV perspective than I had hoped, but I will work on it in time. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Just a reminder; when you re-create an article with {{deletedpage}} you should protect it (as I've just done for List of non-fictional heroes. Articles that aren't being created frequently enough to need protection don't need to have the template either. —Cryptic (talk) 16:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and the talk pages of deleted articles should almost always be speedied (per WP:CSD#G8), not get a "This article was discussed at AFD" banner like kept articles do. —Cryptic (talk) 16:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 21:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC))

Skin Cell/Human Skin Model

Hello, I need to make a model of a skin cell/human skin, but I'm having problems as to how to go about doing that. I was searching for information about human skin and I rememered Wikipedia is usually a great source to refer to so I decided to take a visit. Sure enough, I came across the page that tells all about human skin. I also noticed the image of your human skin model. Is there anything you can do or say to help me with my model (which I haven't started yet)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Need2KnowBasis (talk • contribs) 05:52, 5 December 2005

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 22:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC))

List of Oh My Goddess episodes

Thanks for deleting those images. May I ask a favor? Can you please "rename" some of the images that appear on this page? The ones under Season 1 section. I was trying to get them all to follow the Oh My Goddess 1x??.png pattern. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 02:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think images can be renamed. You might just have to upload them and get the old ones speedily deleted :( Cheers. Enochlau 02:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I know that thats why it was in quotes :P --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 10:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Dominic Preston

Hi, I put a nn-bio tag on Dominic Preston, which you deleted earlier today. However, I see its talk page still exists. Is this normally the case? (I dealt with the 'what links here' articles.) --BillC 18:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Redshift

Responded! —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-06 00:51:08Z

Another response. I forgot to say this, but feel free to revert that last edit of mine to Redshift; I don't feel too strongly about it one way or the other. :) —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-06 01:02:07Z

Maddox Jolie-Pitt

Hi, I noticed you removed the {{nn-bio}} tag from him. I've been under the impression that a person isn't considered famous here because of their parentage, and they only warrant a mention on the parents' pages. The kid is only around 7 years old so I don't think he can be notable yet on his own merits. (I googled him up before tagging that). I missed Zahara Jolie-Pitt though (created by the same user), and she's 9 months old.

However, since we're having a (one-sided) discussion, I'm not really sure what should be done to them (afd?), since someone's bound to keep recreating the articles. Normally you could redirect, but sadly both of the parents are famous so you couldn't really just choose one :( - Bobet 01:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Nah, I agree it's probably better just to leave the article there (although it would be more suited for a tabloid than an encyclopedia, someone's bound to search for that at some point). I'll just clean it up a bit and find a reference link. Sorry for being so hasty on putting the tag up, I didn't really think it through at first. - Bobet 02:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I looked, and found that he isn't a jolie-pitt yet, so I'm just confused now. Maybe I should start reading tabloids or something. I moved Zahara Jolie-Pitt to Zahara Jolie, but there already was a page about Maddox (which redirects to angelina jolie), so you'll have to move it. And now I feel like I'd actually get pissed if these articles get deleted, after all that hard work. - Bobet 02:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Enochlau!
Thank you so much for the barnstar, it is very gratifying to be honored with another barnstar. I'll try my best to by worthy and keep improving my contribs! --Fir0002 05:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome :) Enochlau 07:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Orange Party Deletion

Thank you for closing the Orange Party deletion and taking care of it, however, you missed the "Also Delete" comment for the identical article The Orange Party (note the "The"). Thanks. -^demon 13:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops :) Enochlau 14:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

try looking deeper into the problem

before making a command decision. User 71.109.146.107 is clearly under the influence of cannabis and Wikipedia MUST address the question of whether its editors are editing under the influence of psychoactive substances. -Naif 14:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Riiiight. The joke stops here. Enochlau 14:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you even bothered examining his/her edits? This isn't a joke. - Naif 14:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, his contribs are actually coherent sentences though. Will block. Thanks for the head up. Enochlau 14:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ever onward, wikipedia. - Naif 14:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Please delete

HI, please delete Rohit shah. This is a fairly common personal name in India, such as say "John Smith"; you will agree that no such page should exist, and also that it is absurd to redirect "John Smith" to the "Smith" page, which describes what blacksmiths do for a living.

ImpuMozhi 19:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I nabbed it for copyvio instead. Enochlau 22:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Firion GBA menu.gif

Thanks for dropping me a line. You're right, I mistagged that one. Well, one out firty-two isn't that bad. ;) I have now corrected it to point to the correct filename, Image:Firion GBA menu.png. Cheers. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 23:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 23:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC))

Hacker standard time

Could I ask what speedy deletion criteria you felt applied to this article? Christopher Parham (talk) 00:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 00:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

In this case, the original deletion was also a speedy deletion, so repost alone isn't a valid reason. See WP:CSD#G4, the bullet point. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 01:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

Hey, don't worry, it worked. You just need to revert the protection-against-recreation template back to the old content (and reopen the AFD). Christopher Parham (talk) 01:14, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 01:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

AMACOE

Under the AMACOE history, it shows "one deleted edit". A previous admin deleted it for being a not-needed article. Then it was re-added five minutes later. I watched it while it was happening. <->Refusetobesilenced 01:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 01:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

Info on speedy del

Thank you for taking the time to give info on this subject. Lincher 01:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

What ever happened to Oshki?

Sorry, I don't catch this: 15 minutes after I had published an image of the cathedral of Oshki [image:Oshki.JPG], somebody called Walter Görlitz visits the page and re-edits (?!) it. I have no idea what this person did to the image, but three minutes later it was entirely deleted by you. Could you please explain to me what happened? Sofie

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 10:58, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

Southern Ivies

Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review#Southern Ivies. I think you made an error in deleting this page. DES ^(talk) 18:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

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My RfA

Enoch, thanks for your support on my RfA. The final count was 46/0/0. I hope I'll live up to your faith in me in my use of the mop and bucket. Please accept this wikithanks as a token of my gratitude ;) --bainer (talk) 01:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 02:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC))

Kung hei fat choi

Please kindly share with us at a move request discussion your observation from among the people in Sydney and in other places in New South Wales and Australia on the usage of this phrase. Thanks. — Instantnood 17:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 23:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC))

about your attitude

love the way you judge/delete peoples website/forum link... nonsense huh..use a little diplomacy next time. ....not the way to make friends matey. regards. Admin-FBD AUS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.228.198.52 (talk • contribs) 10:23, December 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yadi yadi ya. If you have a problem with the deletion, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Enochlau 22:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Deleted page: Majesty_(band)/Temp

Hi Enochlau. You recently deleted a page I created, Majesty_(band)/Temp. It was created as part of the copyvio process (see Majesty_(band)). Was your deletion a mistake or was there a reason it was deleted? As I understand it, the temporary page for a copyvio is supposed to remain in place so that people can construct a new article... I made a (very) brief stub. Could you fill me in? ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 05:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 05:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

User talk:Aidan Work

Enochlau, Moriori accused me of making libellous statements about Tariana Turia, which was potentially a racial attack on me. I have met the nasty woman, so therefore, my criticism of her is more than warranted. - (Aidan Work 06:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 07:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

Spelling

I hope I don't sound too pedantic :) but I've thought "obsolited" has always looked a bit funny. I've checked it up, and it's "obsoleted" with an 'e' [1]. Cheers. Enochlau 01:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Awwwww... OK. :P --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 14:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Article delete: Wang Sichao

Don't you think before delete articles, you should notify the one who wrote it first? Don't you think you should delete an article without any discussions? Well, that article is a stub and very low-quality, but you should not make a speedy deletion without notify the writer or make any discussions. Someone added Template:nn-bio tags on it, but the one added the tag who even has no his/her own user page! So you would better undelete that article and if possible and never make speedy deletion like that. Thanks. — Yaohua2000 21:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The answer is "no" to your two questions. (Replied on user page. Enochlau 22:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

Trust me, this guy is absolutely notable according to Wikipedia's policy, but my English is not good enough to write all them out, so if anyone here can help me, that would be fine. Anyway, thank you for the undelete. — Yaohua2000 22:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Charles Pellegrino

Hi, you just speedied this article as a "nn-bio" despite claims of significance made in the body of the article. On checking I see that James Cameron wrote the foreword for his book Ghosts of the Titanic. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 22:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC))

What's wrong with "Fashion of Thinking"?

Hi Enochlau! A while ago you deleted my article "Fashion of Thinking". Well, you will have had your reason to do so. Would you tell me, why? - I think, I could learn a lesson from it. All the more since my second article "Productivity of Wikipedia Authors" is still here! - So, what's the significant difference between these two? -- GJG 18:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. Enochlau 22:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC))

Geisha FP

Hi Enochlau. I was wondering if you would take another look at the Geisha picture that was nominated for Featured Image status; two edits of the image were uploaded and some comments were left that may address your reasons for opposing. The photographer uploaded a crop of the original that I think really improves the photo and reduces the client's prominence in the image. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I will consider it. Enochlau 02:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Why did you delete my biography?

Hi there. Please let me know why you deleted my biography on Dec 10th. Thanks. Andrew Crookall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.118.145 (talk • contribs)

(Removed email address) Read WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. It was speedily deleted for being a biography that did not meet notability requirements. If you are certain that you meet the notability criteria as set out on the two preceding links, you are welcome to rewrite the article, ensuring that the content of the article addresses those notability criteria. I should point out that it is a serious faux pas to write about yourself. It is called vanity. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a place to advertise your services. Do not write your email address on any article pages, and I suggest that you do not do so on any talk pages (in particular, not on mine; I will not reply via email). Enochlau 13:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I had no idea that such pompous, arrogant people were actually given editorial rights. Thank you for letting me know that Wikipedia is something with which I do not want to be connected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.118.145 (talk • contribs)

And I had no idea that there were so many people with inflated opinions of themselves who want to write about themselves. My previous response above was quite neutral and presented the facts as they are. If you cannot accept them, that is not my problem. Enochlau 14:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not have an inflated opinion of myself. The article I wrote was entirely factual. I have requested that all information and all contributions I have made to any site connected with Wikipedia be removed. I hope that will be done as soon as possible. I do not wish to be connected with such small minded thinking. Andrew Crookall.

Accident

Just been told that a replica of both my User page and my User Talk page was accidentally created. how do I terminate the replica. This could also have me falsely declared to be a sockpuppet.Martial Law 07:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I've investigated this, and it looks like the newbie was nervous, and explained what happens when a user page is accessed. Hope I did not cause any inconviences. If so, I do apologise.Martial Law 07:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 08:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC))

This newbie claimed that he accidentally created a replica of my user talk page. Looks like he had seen my user talk page AS another page and got nervous. Only have Martial Law Martial Law 08:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hope I did'nt cause any inconviences.Martial Law 08:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 08:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC))

Appreciate the assisstance,patience. Martial Law 08:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC) :)

That user page I deleted

Sorry about that, I'm a little high right now. It was a newbie who wished to have a private conversation with me. I emailed him and we took it offline. I tried to delete because I didn't realize that it was a user page. I was under the impression that he had created an article. Daykart 09:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Evesboro

I had made it as a redirect, not realizing there was no article about Evesboro, New Jersey. See the other redirects I made before and after. --SPUI (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Selective high schools

Newtown High School of the Performing Arts is a selective high school, admitting out-of-area students on the basis of merit in dance, drama and music streams. If you don't believe the people who wrote the article in Wikipedia, check the school's page at the DET website: "The school auditions students in dance, drama and music from all of New South Wales for intakes in Year 7 and 11 each year as well as taking in-area students." Joestella 01:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 01:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

Enochlau, you are 100% correct in that Newtown High School of the Performing Arts is not a selective high school, where, in New South Wales, entry into a "selective high school" is based on an academic examination sat by Year 6 students towards the end of the year.

Now I'm sure there are many schools across the state that have some sort "entry criteria", academically or otherwise. For instance, Westfields Sports High School in Fairfield, requires students to have excelled in a sport, Northmead High School, Newtown High School and others requires students to have excelled in dramatic arts, I even had to sit an examination for entry in Barker College in Year 3, and I'm sure other Non-Governments schools do the same, but these schools are not selective schools. Only those deemed by the New South Wales Department of Education and Training are considered so. Regards -- Ianblair23 (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Enoch. I have responded to the discussion at Talk:Newtown High School of the Performing Arts, although most of what I had to say was about the list of selective high schools. I agree that NHSPA doesn't belong in the list, but it is a reason why using the department's terminology can be confusing. JPD (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on Talk:Newtown High School of the Performing Arts. enochlau (talk) 11:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

Subcat for Schools in New South Wales

I've noticed a number of schools are being listed in Education in Sydney. Perhaps a subcat can be made in Schools in New South Wales called Schools in Sydney and all the schools in the former category can be moved into there. What do you think? -- Chanlord 05:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 05:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

Re: Requested move at Talk:Kung hei fat choi

Hi there! I was wondering if I could ask of you a favour. I know there's a huge backlog at Wikipedia:Requested moves but would you be able to close the discussion at Talk:Kung hei fat choi in particular please? It's been much longer than 5 days, and some agitated users are still dragging it on... I won't say any more so as to not influence you. I'd close it myself but I'm involved. Thanks! enochlau (talk) 03:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I've closed the discussion, there was no move. Feel free to ask for any more help in the future ;) --bainer (talk) 08:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

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Some Advice Please

Hi there. I want to get some of your advice about the ongoing discussion on the Kung hei fat choi article. I am not sure if I am losing my WP:COOL but I am getting a bit frustrated about the situation on that article. I believe that I have been both courteous to other users and reasonable in accomodating sensible suggestions. But lately I feel a bit perscuted and accused of both callous disregarding attitude and filibusting the argument (which I am particularly annoyed about since I really would like to bring this to a resolution than letting it drag on). Have I been out of line? Am I just too sensitive?

Since you are a admin, I would appreciate some mentoring words on how to approach this situation. Thanks. novacatz 18:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

Hi, looks like I cannot perform the move since the old KHFC page has edit history now - guess you will have to do it. sorry novacatz 00:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Enoch, are you considering a WP:RFC regarding this issue? If you are - I would like actually do the drafting of it (with some guidance from you) as I have never tried this before and I would like to give this aspect of WP a go. Let me know your thoughts. novacatz 04:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Enoch, just a friendly reminder of this. I understand your patience is wearing thin (and God knows I agree with you) -- why don't you take a step back for a little bit just to cool down a tad. I have decided to give this article a bit of time and to gather my thoughts for a while. Suggest you do as well? novacatz 10:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC))

Why did you delete "Annabelle Hegedus"?

Hello,

I just wanted to know why you deleted the "Annabelle Hegedus" article from Wikipedia? She's a famous local author here in Pittsburgh and donates a lot of her time to the community. I realize not many people may have heard of her, but it's a shame that this was deleted.

It was deleted as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annabelle Hegedus. If you would like to recreate the article, you are welcome to do so, but please ensure that concerns raised in the linked discussion are met. enochlau (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Renaming creative and performing arts high schools in New South Wales

Hello, can you give me some advice regarding this discussion? I simply want to change Creative and performing arts high schools in New South Wales to List of creative and performing arts high schools in New South Wales as it is a list and to make it more uniform with List of selective high schools in New South Wales and List of schools in New South Wales. However, we can't manage to agree. Some third party advice would be helpful. Thank you. I know this whole this is taking a lot of discussion and your time -- Chanlord 23:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on Talk:Creative and performing arts high schools in New South Wales. enochlau (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

Re: Talk:Kung hei fat choi

Frankly I can't manage to follow closely with what is (and has been) going on.. Would it be more desirable to go straight onto RFAr, particularly for SchmuckyTheCat's "boldness"? It's not the first time he moved an article, and made a minor edit to the original title to make the move cannot be reverted. — Instantnood 19:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 22:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC))

Thanks for the efforts. Since I myself is also on probation, I believe it's better for me to avoid making any comment at the RfC unless it's neccessary to do so. I'm afraid I cannot manage to follow closely, but do keep me informed and I'm most willing to provide any sort of assistance, as long as time allows. — Instantnood 19:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Just a bit of opinion.. should the RfC be titled "Huaiwei and SchmuckyTheCat"?

FYI, the pages that have been disputed include, but not limited to, National pastime (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Electronic Road Pricing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), List of road-rail bridges (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), National dish (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), List of IMAX venues (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), URA (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Thomson Road (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).. all ended up with Huaiwei's and SchmuckyTheCat's POV prevails, thanks to their insistance. There has also been disagreements, that involve user:Alanmak, over articles such as Lo mai kai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Hong Kong-style western cuisine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Chinese sausage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), Grass jelly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)... — Instantnood 19:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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I understand that's the constraint of RfC, but I strongly believe it's much better to deal with the whole issue in one go. It's meaningless to launch separate cases for different people who're having similar problem. — Instantnood 20:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sturmgrenadier]

hi, there is an organized campaign to save the above self-promotional vanity games-club page from deletion.... i'm wondering if you'd be willing to take a look and voice your opinion? normally i wouldnt care but (a) i hate organized campaigns from groups of users (especially when they have vested interests but dont declare them) and (b) when challenged about it, they suggested i try it myself! so here i am.... cheers! Zzzzz 20:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

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Bug

Appreciate the info. about this bug. Also found one that can literally throw Users offsite and it uses a "Fatal Error" message, especially when I complete a Edit, and use the "Save" button.

Again, appreciate the info. Hope a real sockpuppeteer doesn't use this as a excuse for his or her sockpuppetry. Martial Law 23:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC) :)

Hey man dont edit things you dont know

Recently, we here at Irvington's Youth International Party, in cooperation with the Rivertowns Enterprise Newspaper, wrote an article at the controverial actions of the Irvington New York Police Department (Article: Irvington Police Department). Now man, you called this article nonsense. I don't understand what makes you think this is nonsense- do you live in Irvington man? No you don't.

(Inflamatory comments commented out in source code) If you have a problem with the deletion, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. enochlau (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Let's hear it for Godwin's law. WAvegetarian ^(talk) (email) ^(contribs) 03:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Talk:KHFC

Go ahead, and I shall support you. ;-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 03:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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Don't Feed the Troll

Do not feed the troll

Hi Enoch, just been doing my regular patrol over the HK pages I look after. I noticed you closed the MTR RM debate (rightly so). Then our usual suspect (who really does appear to enjoy this) reverted your change.

Just want to say, your rv edit summary was a ott and could be construed as an attack by an outsider who is not aware of all the background between you and the reverter.

Try not to let him get to you.

All of this in the most friendly way. novacatz 04:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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PM

Did you get my email? novacatz 04:08, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 04:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC))

Filling

You may be interested to know that I have filed a complain againt what I feel is inappriopriate behavior on your part as an administrator in Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Enochlau.--Huaiwei 06:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei, if you really believe you have a case, I think that the RfC process is the correct channel to address these concerns. novacatz 06:33, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Fortune Lounge Group

Hi. I thought that I would drop you a line to note that the Fortune Lounge Group article has been re-created, after a decision by Deletion Review that it is a notable article worthy of inclusion, so long as it is not advertising. Please can you have a look at the article to see if you think that it is well written. I tried my best with this, and even went so far as to include details of the spamming controversy (which puts them in a bad light). If you feel that it is not worthy of the encyclopaedia then please feel free to put an AFD tag on it, however as it is not the same content please note that it is not a candidate for speedy deletion. I am writing to you as you were the closing admin in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fortune Lounge Group and I did not want you to be confused and mistakingly speedy delete it. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 07:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Actually the only reason why I tried to delete the information under the spam section of the article as it is inaccurate and providing time-sensitive false information is neither in the best interests of the wiki or our page.

When Zordrac created this new article, some of his links were incorrect and that has led us to believe that his keywords research for our site came up with a www.fortuneloungegroup.com web address that does not in fact exist.

www.online-casinos.com is under the maintenance of Jan Balslev, and the site is part of the InterCasino/Casino Tropaz online operators. I do not know where they got their information from or what game they're trying to play at, but their article is unsubstantiated and alleged rumor by the look of things.

We're not looking to cause a stir, but do not want this wiki page to be the start of a smear campaign either as it does add significant encyclopedic and research value to this entry . Apologies for givng you the impression that we were trying to cover up some negative press, but we are actually about transparency and like to be held accountable for our decisions.

Thanks goes to Zordrac for helping us to have an entry and we do not expect any ownership over his created page. User:Fortunelounge

RfC 80% done

For your edification - [2]

Still needs some work -- it will happen in the next 20 minutes or so. novacatz 08:36, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome to edit it before I complete it. beware of edit conflicts though. novacatz 08:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You can change things around if you want -- but I won't be editing the RfC anymore. novacatz 23:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei again

Huaiwei and Alanmak are trying to fragmentise Hong Kong Special Administrative Region into Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. Would it be nice to break PRC into People's Republic of China in other sense?! -- Jerry Crimson Mann 13:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

If you may get your facts right, you guys where fighting over something as trival as whether the PRC should be linked, before spilling over to whether the SAR should be linked. I could not care less over this until when individuals like yourself suddenly came in and started reverting with lame excuses, and that was when I started wondering if the same old "HK democratic movement" is going full blast again, compelling me to join in the fray just a few moments ago. Am I the main player in this dispute, as your statement appears to portray? Why do you not bring this to the attention of third party admins, instead of informing an admin known to advance your collective interests? Are you showing me, that Enoch is elected to be an admin in other to advance HK's interests instead of that of wikipedia?--Huaiwei 14:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

lol This time you're thinking too much and jumping many many steps over with puny evidences. What did I show you? I know very very few admins here, and Enochlau is one of the admins I know. He seems to be quite clever in handing stool-stirring disputes as in the discussion of KHFC. Of course you're not the main player; you're too powerless to be 'un. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 14:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm...I agree with Huaiwei that this is very trivial. It should be Hong Kong Special Administrative Region but of course it won't be nice to break PRC into People's Republic of China. Linking it to Special Administrative Region is much better than just Hong Kong alone. I think this makes no sense of making such a complaint as an outsider here. Agreed, I think these need a third party admin who has a neutral comment. It is alright to frangmentise it, as I am an outsider in this, I shall not interfere too much here. I don't see any wrong in splitting Hong Kong Special Administrative Region to Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, as the article is still related to Hong Kong. I suggest trivial matters shouldn't become a heated discussion, and just leave it the way as it is. Peace is really needed here, please stop complaining about each other. Wikipedia is not a battlefield since we are one whole community. Things can be settled out calmly and nicely. Let's don't make a fuss out here. It is very disruptive to readers and editors surfing Wikipedia, as there is a confusion of facts. I think using the word powerless is more like a personal attack.

User:Mailer diablo and User:Miborovsky are some admins that I know of. They are usually not in heated discussions and play a neutral part in discussions like this. Maybe we should ask their opinion. --Terence Ong ^Talk 14:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm being a neutral party here and this is from my POV. I think what this is too trivial to complain of. If what I said offends anyone, I apologise. --Terence Ong ^Talk 14:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The personal attack Terence mentions is in itself illogical, lending weight to what appears to be a conscious attempt to insult. If I am "not powerful" enough to be the main player, then mind explaining why my name appears in the title of this section? You appear to be reporting about the antics of two people, yet only my name appears, and you listed my name first. Coincidence? Or I suppose my username is a brandname that elicits the most spectacular "anti-stool-stirring" efforts from this admin? So based on that, arent I rather "powerful" so to speak? :D Anyway based on what is happening now, I am left wondering if the way the GXFC issue is being handled is going to be something he will be particularly proud of. Oh, and you have yet to explain what "stool-stirring" is, and this is the second time I asked.--Huaiwei 14:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

See, is that a personal attack? I like peace, and do peace only when peace can be implemented. I never got furious like this, but I'm really fed up with the whole scheme og thing. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 14:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Peaceful folks dont do revert wars, dont insist on enforcing his POV without using the talkpages once, dont drop messages in people's talkpages to get the entire community to back them up and attack his opponents, dont drop messages in their opponents' talkpages accusing them of wikipolicy violations they are not gulty of, and dont attempt to insult them via less than friendly postings. Your actions and your words dont match.--Huaiwei 15:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

First, some folks always like to spend a lot of time and draw the attention of all folks in Wikipedia to argue about some minor, trivial stuffs, and even want to initiate a revert war. That is unnecessary. Second, I wonder the motive for calling names in the administrator's page. Is someone trying to snitch, or discredit someone to the administrator? (I feel that the title and the first line of Jerry's post sounds like snitching, and I am pretty offended.) Third, I think Jerry should have an introspection on his attitude. How can he leave these kind of messages in someone's discussion page? ... "Stop it. The google test has shown my point of view." (Insisting his own point, don't allow other people to express their points), "More to add, you're rather stubborn, sad to say." (Is that provoking?) I don't want to involve in any conflict. I hope the dispute can be solved in a peaceful manner. -- Alanmak 15:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Revert wars? I thought I did a little more elaboration for each time. What kinda attack? You mean discuss? Well, what the problem of asking for consultation? A wikirule has forbidden the act, I just wanna know? I'll recur my friendliness after the reign of anger.

HW, you left a point: peaceful folks don't follow others' moves by scrutinising their contribution every now and then. Nevertheless, I think we should stop here as further discussion would be counterproductive. Let's give every of us a cooling-down period. Thank you. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

A little more elaboration for each time? Explain this line. What attack has just become a discussion, if you may provide links for it? Asking for consultation, when all of them appears in specific individual's talkpages well known for being involved in certain disagreements? No wikipolicy forbids you from doing so. Your own claims that you are "peaceful" contradicts it. Saying you will revert to your usual friendliness is no excuse for your misbehavior here. The law dosent show mercy to folks who murder only when they are angry too (and convict those who arent angry), unless you are telling me you live in a society which does?

While we are at it, mind explaining your self-revert [3]?

Oh and as for that last para, mind explaining what "you left a point" mean, and its application to this discussion?--Huaiwei 15:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Whom I've contacted is my social circle. And I know these guys only. What can I do else, huh? Introduce me some new friends and say hello?

My last revert is learning from you. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

What did you learn from me?--Huaiwei 15:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Make love, not war. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I taught you that? I am honoured, but I dont recall being directly responsible for it. Nonetheless, I am delighted to be seen as an inspiration for peace. :D--Huaiwei 15:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and your "social circle" and those guys you know only happen to be User talk:Instantnood [4], User talk:Novacatz [5] and User talk:Enochlau [6] only? Either your selection of friends is highly coincidental, and all of us are fools?--Huaiwei 15:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

What's the matter of these people? Cleverer than you? No I don't believe. But of course you won't consult an advice from the opposers of mine, but those who would give another answer to the dispute. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

lol! Bingo! Thanks for confirming my suspicions all along! :D--Huaiwei 15:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Pleasure :D -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Ahhhh....but you have not answered almost all of my questions above.--Huaiwei 15:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Haha. I will talk to you next time. I'm pretty tired now. One thing to say, to be honest: I really like to chat with you, as you're talented with a very logical mind. But sometimes I don't really like your tone. Chat later. ;-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann

My reply to this very long-winded discussion (sorry for the late and potentially grumpy reply, I have a horrible head-ache):

• Try not to do the argument on my talk page. The best place to have a discussion is the talk page of the actual page in question, so it's open to public scrutiny. Just send me a link to where the discussion is happening if you want me to look at it.
• It would be very nice if the person raising the complaint in future actually links to the page in question so I actually know what you are talking about? I only found out it was Central and Western District halfway down the discussion when Huaiwei provided a diff.
• Because it's a content dispute that doesn't really involve Wikipedia policy, calling in an administrator, neutral or otherwise, isn't going to resolve the issue (unless of course someone violates WP:3RR).
• I will reply on the article's talk page about this issue.

Cheers. enochlau (talk) 21:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

From The Admins' Board Nonsense

Perfectly percolated Esperanza blend coffee, just for you!

Bishonen told me a bit about the story in regards to what happened there. Don't let those trolls get you down, as an admin you'll have to deal with them alot, and trust me, if you get angry, they win. Take this cup of coffee and relax before you deal with any more troll nonsense, k? karmafist 00:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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lol, you've got that right. You'll have to remind me this in a few days i'll bet ;-) karmafist 06:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

A bit

That user's edits were a bit odd. Some of them were improvements, while others were not. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-25 00:07

re;re; oven rack guard deletion

dear sir, so you saw fit to delete the oven rack guard article because you deem it an advertisement. Then why is this article not deleted, for the same reason.I think there be strong bias on Wikipedia...so how do you get to be in the in crowd? burt 845 298 4229 I dare ya

Roomba From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search Roomba is a robotic vacuum cleaner made and sold by iRobot. It is marketed as a Robotic Floorvac. The Roomba was first released in 2002 with updates and new models released in 2003, 2004, and 2005. In 2005 the Roomba Scheduler was released and iRobot began updating third generation Roomba's to the improved 2.1 version. As of May 2005, over 1.2 million units have been sold, making it the most successful domestic robot so far.

It was deleted because of this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oven rack guard. If you wish to seek its undeletion, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. You may recreate an article at that location provided that the concerns previously raised have been met; that is, the new article is substantially different from what was deleted, otherwise it will be subject to WP:CSD. enochlau (talk) 05:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Capitalisation

The reason why I don't think it has to be capitalised was because it's not part of its name. Nobody writes " Norway is a [[Kingdom]]. " or " Mayotte is a [[Collectivité d'Outre-mer]] of France ", but " Norway is a [[kingdom]]. " or " Mayotte is a [[collectivité d'outre-mer]] of France " (related edit summaries [7]). — Instantnood 08:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious to know what makes special administrative region so special that it has to be capitalised. Collectivité d'outre-mer is specific to France, so as autonomous community to Spain, autonomous oblast to Russia, eastern Europe and former Soviet republics. I don't understand why the title of that article is capitalised in the first place, except that there are only two of them, both under the same sovereign state. — Instantnood 08:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks so much Enoch. What's your opinion? Do you think we can just move it, or put up a move request so that the matter can be discussed by the community? — Instantnood 09:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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Either way would be fine for me Enoch. As for translation of the constitution I guess you can consult from sources from official websites of the PRC government. — Instantnood 17:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's one [8]. — Instantnood 20:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 00:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

Re: [9]: It's hardly a revert war [10], there were only three reverts, one by myself :-). As for capitalisation, yes I think so. Many sources actually make it clear that it's only capitalised when used as part of a name, (or as headings). — Instantnood 04:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 04:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

I'd rather rely on official source, such as Xinhua Net [11]. I'd also consider the One Country Two Systems Research Institute also has some certain authority [12]. — Instantnood 16:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

I'd say those sources that are not capitalising it are reliable and trustable ones. The Chinese version of the constitution reveals little on whether it should be capitalised in English. Meanwhile, you may be interested to take a look at Gniw's response on my talk page. — Instantnood 22:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I would think the entire debate over the capitalisation of Special Administrative Region should be in that article's talk page, and not spread all over individual talkpages. Others do have a say in this issue as well, and would certainly like to know the retional behind the outcomes.--Huaiwei 01:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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User:AlMac|^(talk) plagarizes you

I saw some cool stuff you had done on your pages, which I copied. User:AlMac|^(talk) 10:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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User:Perry Normal

I was wondering why you deleted the Catboxer article. it wasnt an advertisement or anything like that, but rather just a reference on an old band. it was to be the first of a series of articles regarding bands past and present from a very vibrant music scene. hopefully you can let me know. i guess. use my talk page, or ill check back here.

4:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC))

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Howcheng's RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 06:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

Thanks for your RFA support

Hey Enoch! I've just come back from a very refreshing wikibreak, so here is a belated thanks for your support in my successful RFA. I hope to see you around the place then. I have been thinking - partially in jest - of whether there would be enough support for a USyd WikiSoc =P Any comments? Anyway: have a happy new year (if that's your kind of thing)! jnothman talk 17:33, 31 December 2005 (UTC)