User talk:Drmies/Archive 93

Wikipedia according to Kelapstick: "Nothing, it's a collection of templates."^[1]

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Oh, what fun ...

The Beauty and the Beast

"A man in the street, overcome with emotion, on hearing the 2015 ArbCom results"

The dog breed articles are really looking well without Hafs or me around - goodness only knows what's been happening to the weights/heights etc as I haven't bothered to look. This is a nice example though - look see, ClueBot even reverted it back. We also have some nice images back in the Maltese article. But no, Wikipedia doesn't need content editors, does it? SagaciousPhil - Chat 19:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC) PS: Yes, I am truly pissed off with WP at the moment.

Well I've done the Malteser. Think of WP as a beehive- it has worker bees and wanna bees and droooonnnneeeessss. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I was responding when Mrs. Drmies came in the room so I had to pretend I was working, haha. No, Wikipedia doesn't need content editors--we need a newsroom. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm reading a certain AN thread right now. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Throwing ashes on my head. But I wasn't around that much nowadays... looks like dog articles will fall into pieces soon. Watch as many you can. Hafspajen (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Place your bets...

Step right up ladies and gentlemen. Will this accurately mirror Drmies expression in 4-7 days? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

You mean kinda like a deer caught in the headlights, except smaller, more innocent, and more vulnerable? EEng (talk) 02:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Apprehensive bewilderment edging towards terror. I think a year from now, I'm going to post to this page: remember you volunteered for this. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

My bet is on Drmies, Casliber, Kelapstick, Opabina regalis, Callanec, Keilana, NE Ent, Kudpung and Gorilla Warfare. But I could be wrong. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I have a candidate ranking based on the election guides on my talk page. I was interested to see if they were a good predictor of election outcome or whether they influenced the election but this election has such a high turnout, I have no idea what the results will be. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

You haven't? It's obvious: yet more of the same crap, enabled by people who spend far too much time doing stuff that really doesn't matter that much, seemingly because they like the sound of their own voice. - Sitush (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Sitush, I resemble that remark, and I apologize to you for still not having looked at that GA. I'm sorry, and I don't have much of an excuse--besides, you know, the SEC championship game, my netbook being broken for a week now, and my daughter's stupid f***ing Alabama history project. I haven't even started grading term papers for my lit class. You know what else takes up a lot of time? Reading Vanity Fair... Drmies (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I read VF 30 years ago or thereabouts. Not bad, as mid-Victorian novels go. I read some other Thackeray stuff but, alas, some pointed tutorial comments to the effect that I needed to read the entire of Trollope's oeuvre didn't achieve the intended outcome. I actually quite liked Trollope but, hey, there is a lot of him and in the context of my course it was mostly background/ambience stuff. As for the GA, don't sweat it. It's actually at FAC but I took your advice (for which some idiot with a grudge has apparently slammed me at WPO) and am working through it. - Sitush (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that dear Mr Thackeray! I remember so well when I dedicated my Jane Eyre to him — it was innocently done, but had some unintended consequences! [/me cackles anciently.] Bishonen | talk 21:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC).

'Cackling anciently'? Oh mother of Ireland! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 21:23, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Bishonen | talk 21:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC).

• Now that I've finished The Lais of Marie de France I'm ready to keep up the implied bargain by reading something else medieval while you work your way through Vanity Fair. I'm also slowly making my way through Anna Karenina again, which maybe can serve the purpose? - Macspaunday (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
  • AFTER ALL THAT AMELIA IS STILL MARRYING GEORGE OSBORNE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Drmies (talk) 05:24, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Sorry - I've been away for a few days, and should have responded sooner. Yes, she does - but wait! As Thackeray says (if I remember), some terrific chapters are coming up presently! - Macspaunday (talk) 23:15, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
      • I assume your grading is done, Macspaunday. Let me tell you, I am disappointed in you and your immoral choices: so far the wicked are prospering. Well, George is dead, so I guess there's some justice, but it hardly makes up for that rat Crawley surviving. And Becky...I was sort of digging her cleverness, but she's a terrible mother. I guess that's Rawdon's one redeeming quality, that he seems to care for the child.

        On a related topic, I'm very much reminded of how Sir Walter handles his material, with the historical material all played out in the background while the main character(s), in the foreground, are hopelessly detached from the "real" action. I have to say I like it, it's ballsy: fiction is more important than history. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• I got seven out of nine. Do I get a Wikipedia sweatshirt or anything? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations

The Gators made it look closer than it was. That game could have easily been 36–0, rather than 29–15. I look forward to seeking Bama in the College Football Playoffs. Theirs to lose, given the competition. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• I don't know, Dirtlawyer; they played us pretty good and managed to rein in Henry pretty decently, until the end. Bama fans on Facebook were making fun of Gary and Vern commenting on that Florida run defense, but I really think they had Henry's number for at least part of the game. Did you watch MSU? They have one hell of a running back as well. And our defense giving up a couple big deep plays, that had me worried some. But we're in--now we need to not screw it up like last time. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

better than the gophers or vikings. -- Aunva6^{talk - contribs} 16:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Regarding your message on the other discussion, I'll just post that I saw your response, on your Talk page. I watch my granddaughter 4-5 times a week and this is one of the days. She's a delight. Have a good one! Dave Dial (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Isn't it amazing, (grand)fatherhood. I had to take both of them to the dentist today, and my six-year old was all hanging on to me--wonderful. Anyway, there was this really old guy, resting on his walker, in the waiting room, and when he left he said I was being a great father. It was just kindness, of course, and a terrible lie, but it felt really nice. Nice man. Thanks again for your note, Dave. Drmies (talk) 01:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Grats! I'll just leave it at that. User:Volunteer Marek 09:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks! It was closer than I wanted--both games. Y'all get to go to Birmingham. Are you going there? Take it easy Marek, and thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll be in the area. Memphis is actually good this year so it might be another disappointment.User:Volunteer Marek 20:18, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Auburn has something to prove. This season could have gone quite differently. Stop by if you're in the area and come over for a beer. Ha, I might have some Putin-sponsored vodka left, from my last job! Take care, Drmies (talk) 02:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't you two college kids be focusing on studying, finals, etc. instead of wasting time on Wikipedia? Or does the White House pay its shills a pretty penny to spread its propaganda? ;-) --93.199.17.114 (talk) 21:30, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Heh.User:Volunteer Marek 21:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Probably won't be able to make it down to B-town - too much holiday and family stuff. So good luck and maybe next time. Volunteer Marek  21:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Marek. We're having oliebollen on New Year's eve--and on New Year's Day, black eye peas, of course. Happy holidays! Drmies (talk) 22:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorted

Appears to be an attack page. Can you kill it? Cheers. Simon Irondome (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Blocked very swiftly. Sorry you were the first admin on my watchlist! Irondome (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Irondome, when my netbook is prepared, or my new laptop comes in, I promise you'll always be the first. For now, I'm dependent on when I can finally withdraw to my quiet study. Sorry! Drmies (talk) 01:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I very stupidly put sensitive info where it should not have been. Apologies to all concerned, and thanks to the admin who wiped it. Lots to learn before I make that distant RfA run. p.s. you will make a fine arb Dr ;), you were an obvious choice for my voting slate. Simon Irondome (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

That's not a big concern--everyone makes mistakes. It's important to recognize them. That someone else helps out and picks up the slack, well, I have been helped by so many people here who picked up the slack for me... Thanks, BTW, for your vote, I suppose! Let's talk RfA one of these days: you have a pretty cool name, it has an admin ring to it. Irondome is online...! "Shoot, I'd better make some quality edits!" Drmies (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Just make a positive difference, try to be wise even if you are not feeling it, follow your humanity. and the WP:IAR thing sometimes. Simon, or the reprobate known as Irondome (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Question re: opening sentence in a bio

To Drmies and his learned talk page stalkers: I'd long though that this sort of thing isn't included in an opening [2], but can not find the guideline that applies. Would feel silly reverting this again without a leg to stand on. Any help will be appreciated. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:PEACOCK may have some useful steers. (Is that a group of horses?) The vastly unlearned Irondome (talk) 04:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I just checked a couple of MOSs, but couldn't find reference to that specifically. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:12, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:LEDE maybe? Irondome (talk) 04:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Closest I could find is WP:LEADSENTENCE; Try to not overload the first sentence by describing everything notable about the subject. Instead use the first sentence to introduce the topic, and then spread the relevant information out over the entire lead. Not sure if that is enough. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't sound terribly promising, especially since mention of a Grammy nomination is hardly overloading. Unless I slid over it, I couldn't find specific reference to not doing this in the MOS pages referring to bios and ledes. It strikes me as a bit peacocky, but one would like a stronger rationale. Thank you for looking. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

It's probably buried on some specific artist's talk page. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

One of five nominations for "Best Rock Performance" in the 58th Annual GRAMMY Award (2016), the other nominees being gneiss, schist, slate and Florence and the Washing Machine ("Florence sings against a rhythmic backbeat, building to a crescendo as the rinse cycle kicks in"). Voting's in February. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:16, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• Well done, Xanty! How did you know I was playing Made in Japan tonight? Drmies (talk) 04:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Come on y'all. MOS:INTRO. "The reason for a topic's noteworthiness should be established, or at least introduced, in the lead (but not by using subjective "peacock terms" such as "acclaimed" or "award-winning" or "hit")". Drmies (talk) 04:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• If I had a nickel for every time I have read "shortlisted for the Man Booker Prize", I could take Mrs. Cullen out for dinner at a halfway decent Napa Valley restaurant. Isn't "shortlisted" a euphemism for "didn't win", or more concisely, "lost"? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Fixed. You do-nothing people like to talk a lot, don't you? Haffy, please garnish this with an appropriate image. Softlavender (talk) 09:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

soapboxing or legit?

Hanging arround.

On Talk:Christopher Columbus an anon IP has added this to Columbus Day. It looked like classic soapboxing which I was sure would start some unwanted conversation so I removed it as such. It was put back with rewording to it's current state. It still looks like trouble to me but I don't want to revert again. Maybe I'm wrong so could you look at it and see if it looks ok to you? Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

A tad soapboxing, but I would let it stand for now. Mention of protest by ethnic and faith groups may be useful to the articles POV. A bit of self flagellation appears to be the fashion in any case nowadays. It may well be challenged but that is what T/P's are for. Doesn't look too bad at this stage, unless it is expanded to silly length. You tube as a source is deffo unusuable. Maybe there are some balancing sources out there? Sorry Drmies, if i'm talking crap in your space :/ Irondome (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• I'd let it stand, but I don't see how much of that material is going to go into the article. In the case of Columbus, a much more valid topic for an encyclopedia than many an internet celebrity, we can afford to take the long view and base our text not on newspaper articles. The Google Scholar link can lead us there, but such link drops just aren't very helpful. One could respond and say "yeah, great idea", but until there's content to discuss there's nothing specific to discuss. Drmies (talk) 05:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Legit soapboxing: DYK that Wikipedia celebrated the birthday of Sibelius (150!) one day early because apparently some rulez prohibit his name in DYK once he is mentioned in the TFA (which is about a piece we can't hear)? - Which day, watchers, would you propose for GA Jean Sibelius (by Ipigott) to appear if not the person's birthday? Also needs a review. End of boxing, otherwise happy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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Done. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks X. Someone should give you a barnstar. Drmies (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Applauds, Applauds - Applauds. Hafspajen (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• To the right also a hilly landscape. Hafspajen (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

An internet celebrity

Review Request

Hey Drmies, could you do a peer review of the WABN article for me? I'm wanting to take it to GAN. Thanks in advance. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:26, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• It's late now, Homer--my time on WP is a bit limited these days. Maybe tomorrow? Drmies (talk) 05:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• My first suggestion would be some more copyediting. Drmies (talk) 05:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

No worries. There is no rush on this review. Whenever you have a free moment or three is fine with me.

Yes, "consummated" is the word used by the FCC (see here, midway down). I typically used "the sale was closed" or "the sale was finalized" but I didn't want all the articles to sound the same, so I went with the "proper", if some-what dirty, terminology. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

If you have time (again, no rush) could you give the WACL article a PR as well. I would greatly appreciate it. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

My first Article.

Hi dear Drmies, I have ventured myself into the article-creation of Wikipedia. I am working on the article "Homeless services in Utah", and I think there might be things that will need to be corrected, as I understand you mentioned. I am not an english native speaker, but I appreciate corrections as to improve on it. I do not represent an organization. The article I am working on is the product of a research we did at Salt Lake City with my fellow students. Would you please help me understand what could be improved as to have this article approved? I think it could be of great benefit for individuals-or even organizations-looking to help homeless people.

Thank you. Ejventura (talk) 06:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC) Ejventura

(talk page stalker) I think Drmies has signed off for the night. I would give a look-see at WP:FIRST, which has a lot of information about creating a new article. I notice the page is up for speedy deletion. I would recommend copying the entire page and moving it to userspace. Typically people use a "sandbox" for creating articles, which you can do here. There you can create, tinker and work on the article without worrying about it getting deleted. Then, once you have it completely done (to Wikipedia standards and rules, of course), you can move it back to mainspace. I also recommend reading WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:GNG. These articles will help you to create your article. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:34, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Ejventura, the problem (thanks Homer) is really with WP:N--there is no real good reason to suppose that this organization is notable by our standards. That it exists doesn't mean it's encyclopedic. So it's not a matter of writing style or anything like that; there should be secondary sourcing that helps establish that the organization is notable, and in cases such as this that is usually hard to come by. You really want something that's a bit more, let's say, special than a (local) government organization. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• I see that SLC's Housing First initiative has garnered some attention in the press ([3], [4], and there's some mentions in this book; see also this Google search; here is another book), but I don't think that makes the department notable. I was looking around to see if there was a program, a person, a homeless shelter related to your topic that had attracted some press attention. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Thank you Drmies and Talk. I will be working on it as request some help for my fellow team members. It is good to see that Wikipedia has such a good (and quick) revisions. Thanks again. Ejventura (talk)
  • Ejventura, see the talk page of your article. Also, I found that we have one article on homelessness in a city, Homelessness in Vancouver. It's not a very good article (the lede needs to be rewritten), but it suggests that the topic of homelessness in a city could conceivably be called notable by our standards--that is, the Vancouver article hasn't been deleted yet. You could see if you can gather up enough sources to write such an article on Salt Lake City. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations

File:Moi, moche et méchant 2, Minion au Paquier d'Annecy.jpg

Striking? No. Coherent? No. Numerous? Yes.

Results.[5] Doug Weller (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• 70.28% is impressive. Just don't get all uppity on us. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Only 60.28% of those were disgruntled Dennis Brown supporters But congratulations! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
    • That's not counting all my sockpuppets, meatpuppets and minions. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
      • Minions? How come YOU get minions and I don't? I'm striking until I get minions...Ealdgyth - Talk 20:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
        • I looked at the numbers and I think I would have gotten in even without my socks. It's a good thing this job comes with CU cause I totally lost control of my sockfarm--guess I shouldn't have given Badmachine my login info... Drmies (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
          • You need ten minions to make a minyan, but I don't think any of them have to be striking, Ealdgyth. That doesn't mean Dennis's weren't... BlueMoonset (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Well done! I actually expected to see you at the top of the list, but it wasn't the only surprise. I'm just worried now with all the workload you'll get who is going to take your place on the plebeian drama boards ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

The new Arbitration Committee

• My sympathies, Drmies. But six of my eight supports were elected (Kudpung, you were one of the other two), so it may actually turn out to be a committee you can work with. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
  I may have presumptuously assumed that my picks would be Drmies-compatible, but still I stand by it. Congrats! With your election, there may be hope for Wikipedia after all; I've included a first look at the new committee. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Good for you. No seriously, congrats! DMacks (talk) 20:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations Drmies! And Chris, commiserations, 53.19% was a bloody good result. It should be an interesting Arbcom..Irondome (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

No need for commiserations Irondome, the important part was taking part and providing some competition. With Drmies there the Committee won't be needing me anyway! I'm actually quite happy to stay down here in the trenches rather than be bound by the constraints of Committee work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Congrats! Elockid^{Happy holidays!} 20:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Gefeliciteerd! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations, Drmies! Although I have a feeling that you'll find that university committee meetings are scintillating compared to arbitration responsibilities. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
  • You should know, Liz; I still can't understand why anyone would volunteer for the clerk job, but I thank you for it. Drmies (talk) 06:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations! Don't get too burned out. Mz7 (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations Drmies :). –Davey2010^Talk 21:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Félicitations and good luck! -Sam Sailor ^Talk! 22:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratters, Drmies. I hope the next two years are what you hoped for, though I can't imagine what that might be. Best of good luck to you. (Have you set up your constituent services staff yet?) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congrats, Drmies! NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Hey, thank you all. BlueMoonset, I don't have my cabinet ready, but you stand a good chance of becoming chief of staff. NorthBySouthBaranof, it is my understanding that you and I are not supposed to talk since, you know, well you know I'm very strict on protocol, haha. I fully expect to see a number of requests to have topic bans lifted in a month or so. Anyway, again, I appreciate all the nice posts people left here; no doubt I'll get plenty of hatemail once it gets real, hahaha. Good luck to you all, and I hope to never see most of you before the Grand Court of Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 06:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations, wow....and thank you!...Modernist (talk) 23:36, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
• I am so behind on this. Congratulations! That was indeed an impressive number!--Mark Miller (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations (and you've got email)

Welcome to the 2016 Arbitration Committee. A few moments ago, you should have received an email from me asking you such simple questions as what email address you want to use for committee business. Welcome! Courcelles (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

My sympathies...

In the interest of gender equality, you have been given a room full of MEN sitting around and typing, you insensitive clod.

I really think typewriters are too advanced a technology for ArbCom

Heh. Sorry, sucker! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations ... I think. When can you start? Yngvadottir (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

At 0:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC), I believe. Although last year, I think I saw some arb-elects voting on arbitration requests before then where it was clear that it would become effective when their term started. Mz7 (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

As soon as you confirm things with the back office, you get subscribed to the mailing list and get the extra bits. Actual particpation in cases is a bit more blurry. I think we had close to thirty arbs at once for a moment when finishing up with GamerGate. Here's hoping you don't have to deal with anything that awful. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

That's interesting. I dug around the archives and found what I was remembering at this request in December 2014. Lots of "provisional accepts" to "come into effect on Jan. 1". 30 voices on the committee at one time does sound awful. Mz7 (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I was looking for one of those images from the 1930s or so, of one of these huge rooms with a hundred desks and ladies typing behind them--couldn't find it. Maybe Hafspajen can dig one up. Yes, thirty, that's a lot. GamerGate was a lot too--good thing that, just like racism, it disappeared. At least, I haven't heard about it on the news for 48 hours, so it must be gone. Beeblebrox, I commend you on your service, as much as on that magnificent beard you used to sport. Ealdgyth, I understand you are what we call a "vested content contributor" or something like that: please keep on being that. My first act will be to put you on payroll. Well, second act--a corner office is first, of course. Drmies (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Gamergate controversy will be a contested article for the near future. Maybe by 2017, interest will have ebbed. But, it's true, many of those most passionate about the article have given up on Wikipedia as a lost cause for presenting their perspective of this incident. It took over a year though. The 500/30 editing restriction really helped a lot. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes ... and no. Liz, you frequent WPO and it cannot have escaped your attention that there is much criticism there regarding that the perspective has swung too far the other way. I neither know nor care much about the subject matter but the article is quite obviously a set-up, even if not perhaps the set-up that once it was. Two wrongs do not make a right. - Sitush (talk) 00:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Glane23, you insensitive clodderer, never send a yeoman to do a woman's job. Also, DYK that Drmies, in a previous life, was a secretaresse? Drmies (talk) 23:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Are you working on your inauguration speech? I hope it's a doozy .... Softlavender (talk) 00:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

No, and I object to the word "doozy"--it sounds like the opposite of what it means. I cannot possibly approve of it, esp. since it's like, you know, totally unfair to L2ers such as me. Drmies (talk) 06:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I just finished watching Ken Burns' Civil War (avoided it for so long because I thought I would hate it but of course I was smitten). Just take a cue from Abe and throw in some nice phrases like "the better angels of our natures", and such. Razzle-dazzle 'em. They'll never guess. Softlavender (talk) 06:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Congrats on your ArbCom victory! I wish you the best of luck. GABHello! 22:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Bubble tea--that's certainly new for me. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, congrats and good luck (you are going to need it). Kierzek (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Same from me, Drmies. Good luck being part of the establishment now. ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Great news. Way to go Doc. :) Dr. K. 23:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

You've never had bubble tea? Man, oh, man - that's my caffeine fix of choice. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I tried it once. I thought it was a carbonated tea, not iced tea wih weird lumps of goo in it. I wished I had ordered coffee instead. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oh! I looked it up--that looks awesome! I love tapioca. Thanks GAB--I should not have assumed I knew what it was. In other news, the kids and I are rather charmed by the instant Atole we get from The Greatest Grocery Store In Alabama--which specializes in Oriental, Mexican, Jamaican food. True grocery fusion on South Boulevard. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• In Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Rebecca asks Josh: "do you want some boba? It actually horrifies me personally. It's like drinking little tumors." In spite of this, they frequently end up drinking them at the local boba stand. Incidentally, Rachel Bloom, the actress who plays Rebecca, just received a Golden Globe nomination for her performance. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive editing/block evasion

Since you blocked this IP, the same user has been making disruptive from this IP. Please block. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 22:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks. They really have some unresolved father/mother issues. I suppose most of us do but keep it out of article space. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

:D Thank you! Robby.is.on (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

This is another fine mess you've gotten yourself into!

Best, BMK (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• I know, BMK, I know. Drmies (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• yes, well done! Johnbod (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Very pleased on your behalf, Dr! Now, when you've had quite enough celebrating with exotic ales, could you and your talk page stalkers keep an eye on The Regency, Denver? I don't wish to have my engagement there seen as edit warring, but a COI account has taken possession, and is treating Wikipedia as a useful venue for free advertising of real estate. Oh, and congratulations! 2601:188:0:ABE6:D538:9C0E:BF78:37A3 (talk) 01:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

That account has been indeffed - user name/promo only. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• NeilN, Careful. At this rate I'll be dropping by your talk page on a regular basis for assistance (cue relieved smile from Drmies). Thanks. 2601:188:0:ABE6:D538:9C0E:BF78:37A3 (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Neil is an "old fielder" (as John Adams was described in 1797) – a tireless workhorse. He can handle it. Softlavender (talk) 02:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Let Neil take care of this as well, then. I'm a bit out of patience; the backstabbing has started, or continued. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Now you can't get involved in ANI due to the potential of hearing the case at Arb. You're just trading one drama for another, however, so don't worry. And I reverted the massive WP:OR that lacked a single reference myself. Jeepers. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 02:49, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Aren't you reading WP:INVOLVED a bit too strictly there, Master Brown? Wait--hold on, I was thinking of closing stuff; you're talking about yakking along (or against). But you know, there's a ton of other Arbs, so in the unlikely case that an ANI case actually makes it to ArbCom, there's plenty of others available. I mean, that's why you voted Kelapstick and Keilana and other dramah-avoiding admins in! Drmies (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Damn straight. The only reason I used my "oppose all" ruse and unleashed my sockpuppet army for you was for the money, however. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 03:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Dennis handled it. And this old nag is about to go out to pasture for the next week and a half. Don't set fire to the place while I'm gone. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Since Drmies will probably recuse himself from sending me any more Girl Scout Cookies, on account of my talking him into running, I don't see why he shouldn't recuse himself from all cases over the next two years, on account of being an AN/I aficionado.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Mrs. Drmies just put the first order in this evening. May God and the gods have mercy on us. What was your liking again, K? I'll send you some free of charge, as a token of appreciation for your invaluable grilling advice. NeilN, we're gonna miss you when you're gone: you are one hell of an admin. Enjoy the break. Drmies (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Mrs. Kelapstick is partial to the lemon ones, I am partial to the Thanks-A-Lot. Make of that what you will. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, amigo! I'm happy for you! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks, Amiga. Let me know if there's ever anything I can do for you--Lord knows I've relied on you often enough. BTW, I did write up two women in red, but it's slow going. (Actually, I'm writing this while taking a break from grading final exams...) Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 03:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• You literally beat me to this by a few seconds [6]. Haven't lost a step in your arbitration-addled dotage. 2601:188:0:ABE6:D538:9C0E:BF78:37A3 (talk) 03:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• • Well done! Well done! - Macspaunday (talk) 04:44, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congratulations and Best Wishes.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:47, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
  • User:Pharaoh of the Wizards, you have been here longer than Methusalem. How do you keep such a youthful appearance? And do you think you'll get an award when you've made 6000 edits to WP:UAA? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Congratulaitons and a simple request: May you treat your colleagues on Arbcom exactly the same as you do everyone else here. Most of Arbcom acts like their shit doesn't stink, and yet most of their decisions reek like a seaport whorehouse the morning after the fleet returns. And for fucks sake, please don't use any Latin-Lawyer speak. That is the path to douchebaggery. I will be sending you massive juju mental vibes. You're gonna need it.

Indeed congrats, though it came at a price.. ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

WikiLove

Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} has given you a WikiCake! WikiCakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of cakes by adding {{subst:GiveCake}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Congratulations. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 04:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

A word of advice...

Get current on your Prius jokes. CONGRATULATIONS!!! I know you'll make a big difference. HAPPY HOLIDAYS [[File:|25px|link=]] ^{Bah, humbug!} Atsme^📞📧 05:25, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks, yeah, I know--I got nothing, nothing at all. Happy holidays to you too. Make sure you move that stupid elf to a new spot before you go to bed. Drmies (talk) 05:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• I used all my votes to support you, and tried to make sure you had the best company. Got most of them, just a couple shy. Dave Dial (talk) 05:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
  • 'preciate it. Now, did you move the stupid elf? If it's in the same place tomorrow, there's questions to answer... Drmies (talk) 05:47, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Here's one for your joke library - saw it on a bumper sticker: Warning: This car makes infrequent stops at gas stations. Oh, and just for future reference, was it the elf or the whole seasonal thing it represents that peeves you? So am I safe from questions to answer if I wish you a Happy New Year with this one ? Atsme^📞📧 19:42, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Yes. Actually, the elf isn't so bad, but it already was found under a (toy) police car and squashed by the lid of a cast iron pot. So I'm getting into it. But ads where companies make funny variations on Xmas songs, brr. I'm getting Mrs. Drmies a .22 pistol with pink grips. It is Alabama, after all. Drmies (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Well, now we all know you mean it when you say Put a lid on it! Mrs. Drmies is one lucky lady with pink grips!! Now that our State's House & Senate recently passed the open carry law, I now consider my Sig P232 SL (9mm) an accessory after the fact. And it's color coordinated with gold and silver tones to match my outfits. Atsme^📞📧 20:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Make that a Westvleteren...

Hope you enjoy that much more work.... Lectonar (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Congrats!

I voted for you. Merry Christmas, you filthy animal. And a happy new year. Icarus of old (talk) 15:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Filthy? What have I done this time? You sound like someone I married. Same to you, Icarus. Let's work up some German articles one of these days; perhaps Elise Averdieck can attract your attention. She was totally into Biosphere, I hear. Drmies (talk) 15:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Congrats. :) --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Aye! Congrats from me too. I hope it's a blast. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
  • So far nothing's happened. No news is good news. I still get my check. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
• Not sure if to say congrats, or commiserations... Now, seriously, I am very glad your nomination was successful.- Cwobeel (talk)
  • Thanks! Aren't you and I supposed to be fighting? The advantage of my advanced age is that I always forget who I'm fighting with. I *think* I'm still in a feud with Collect, but I'm not sure. Oh yeah, you got blocked the other day--I was sad to see that (that religious identification issue will always remain a hot potato, I'm afraid, and like you I prefer us to be reticent). Ha, I think I frequently disagree with you, but I admire how you're not afraid to stick your neck out. Now tell me how you got to Ecuador and the NL and France and Brazil and Morocco and Lebanon and all those cool places, and what you were doing there. Slovenia is beautiful, I hear. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Sometimes in WP you make best friends with "supposed" enemies. Maybe it is because you get to know them better than others and eventually learn to respect them over time :). My work has made it a requirement to travel, so there you have it. I still have a few countries in South East Asia that I would love to visit, though. Yes, Slovenia is wonderful. If you look at a map, you will see neighboring countries all contributing the best of food culture, and the landscape is gorgeous.- Cwobeel (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
      • I hope it's a job you enjoy--but with seeing all those countries, it has to be. Happy trails! Drmies (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• The truth is out, Doc Micey - Jimbo now knows you're a female Wikipedian (as well as a male Wikipedian, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC) (and a third gender Wikipedian, of course).
• As I maintain no feuds with anyone, I think we are both too old to think feuds benefit anyone at all. And congrats of course on your election. Collect (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Collect, and all the best to you. I agree with you re:feuds, and my doctor agrees with you re:old. Drmies (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• Congrats. I voted for you. Now you make sure that you do your job right, and by right I mean, always ends to my benefit, even if I'm not involved. ;-)—^cyberpower_{Merry Christmas:Unknown} 04:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Of course, Cyberpower--though your latest PayPal payment seems to have gotten lost in the mix. Drmies (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
• Glad to see you made it. Congrats! (I think) --Rschen7754 19:22, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

A Head Full of Dreams tour

Hello there,

I thought I'd talk about this first before undoing your edit. Given the fact that many other tour pages (including Coldplay) have promotional shows, I thought those tour dates had justified a place on this page. These promotional shows also feature a new stage setup and/or songs from the new album. Having more shows for the reader's sake ≠ a downgrade in quality of the article. There was no need to delete all the shows. Also, your sarcasm was not appreciated. Ramres1 (talk) 20:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• I do not agree with you that somehow listing what's on the artist website or on Ticketmaster makes for a better article. The Self-Titled Tour is not a good article. Please see WP:NTOUR, WP:RS, WP:V. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

How does removing all tour dates or removing major landmark announcements accomplish what you are trying to get across? Sure, as I've read in what you have linked, merely listing tour dates is not enough to justify an tour article's existence, but removing all tour dates doesn't do much either. Not trying to argue here, and I think we have a common interest in making a good article, so I appreciate your intentions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramres1 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

• Two things, Ramres1. First, see WP:NTOUR. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that your tours, or in fact most tours articled on Wikipedia, are notable. Mere existence does not mean notability. Second, there are decent articles on tours. Look at Confessions Tour and see what it has. It has a background, notes on the production, on the reception, etc. It has a list of dates and a setlist, but they don't dominate the album.

  This is an encyclopedia--text first. A list of dates can be found anywhere, including here, but verified text from secondary sources cannot--that's our job. So try and find articles that discuss the tour. This is something, but not much. This gives you half a sentence, and this maybe a whole one. But look at the Madonna article to see what meaningful text is here--it's not "band Y announced they'd play city X on that date", that's all boring facts. Like, "In March 2006, Madonna, along with her then-husband Guy Ritchie and with their kids, moved to Los Angeles, to begin rehearsing for the tour". And "The two secondary runways were raised up into the stands and also had view screens inside the construction." And Madonna returned for the Glam-Punk segment of the show and strapped on a guitar for rocked-out versions of "I Love New York" and "Ray of Light". Hard to do for you since the shows haven't started, which is another reason it just may be too early, but that's the kind of thing one can write. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks for your help. Ramres1 (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I ran into an Articles for Deletion debate about Aerosmith's Back in the Saddle Tour in April, 2011. My gut instinct was to recommend deleting, but I did a good faith search for coverage in reliable sources and found plenty. I expanded the article, and it is still around. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• Ha, the advantage of that one is that it already happened. Cullen, you'd be surprised to see how many tour articles we have now; it has really exploded in the last five years or so, same as the old List of awards and nominations for artist X. (I'd love to see some qualitative analysis.) In many cases, I think it is turning us into what we were not supposed to be--another repository for factoids. I think NTOUR should be read strictly: if there's no in-depth discussion of the tour as a tour, it's deletable. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• I guess that it may be surprising to some people that an article about a notable tour that has already happened would be more appropriate for an encyclopedia than an article about a 2016 tour, since it is still 2015 according to my calendar. After all, somebody could get hit by a bus. I see that currently, A Head Full of Dreams Tour is referenced only to the band's website. I did a quick search for significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, as is my wont, and found nothing other than rote regurgitation of official band announcements. That leads me to believe that this tour is not yet notable, but I am just one little editor. OK, not so little in real life. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Jeff the Diseased Lung

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Jeff the Diseased Lung. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Green famine

Been reading up on North Korea offwiki, ran across this term, and see it is a very widely used term to describe a very specific thing. Being an uneducated Texan, it is probably beyond my pay grade, but thought I would drop it off here before you get your new job. I hear they have a pool table, open bar, and hot tub in the Arb Clubhouse, which will come in handy. Until then, maybe you or someone might like to take a stab at this ugly redlink. I think it would be fine for stand alone, and Famine doesn't even mention the term. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 02:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• Don't ask me to write those articles, Dennis. Did you see the article I added, with the story of the 12-year old girl? Yes, winter is coming for those poor North Koreans. Drmies (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
• Dennis, how about North Korea? Now is the time for some article improvement. Drmies (talk) 03:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm really close to really, really breaking for a while. Break the cycle of political interest and get back to editing. The tanning season is upon us, so soon all the pasty people in the south will be wanting to give me money (it is very seasonal) so I won't have much time anyway. I've been watching a lot of documentaries and reading a lot on NK, so that might be a task when I get back. And NK is one of those topics that get my blood boiling as well. Not our handling of it, but the reality. This is one of those situations where you hope someone over there would give the dicktater a case of high velocity lead poisoning. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

A Crack Pie for you!

A Crack Pie for you! Because 'Tis the Season ... and because I hear you love pie! ~~ Softlavender (talk) 03:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

A rose is a rose is a rose

(And because if I ever get hauled up before ArbCom, I need an Arb in my pocket.) Softlavender (talk) 03:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

• Hmm...it might take more than a pie, Softlavender. I'm not that cheap, you know. And...I prefer the old Jefferson Davis pie, you know. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
• How about Appeltaart met kruidnagel en kaneel, en een slokje avokaat? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, death to diabetics! :) Drmies (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Are these personal attacks?

"You are establishing a link between the word chief and Indian which is racist and sourceless to say the least".

"No. I just thought it was a bigoted comment to make".

Over a translation of Hawaiian words. I am Native Hawaiian and he is calling my arguments "racists" and "bigoted" over content no one agrees with him on. He is also on Commons accusing me of harassment because he can't name the source that sent him images. This, all the outcome of an FA review of KAVEBEAR's article.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

• Hmm. If I understand it correctly they're using ancient and now deprecated terminology coined by white missionaries? "You are establishing a link between the word chief and Indian" strikes me as uninformed, the kind of easy criticism one hears too often. I can't really follow their second comment.

  I was blocked today on a side street because another driver on the main street blocked the intersection. When I could have gone, her car was right there in front of me; she should have stopped ten yards earlier, seeing the line of stopped cars, and left the intersection open for crossing vehicles. She was wrong, I was there for another two minutes, and I have no doubt she thinks I was wrong. What can I do? Ram my car into hers, get out, and explain traffic rules ("don't block the intersection")? One cannot argue things easily with someone who is or chooses to be uninformed; you can only hope you find enough patience until the intersection clears. Good luck with that... Drmies (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. As always it was your wisdom, opinion and quick wit that I was looking for here to sort of (OK outright) guide me.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

"Hmm. If I understand it correctly they're using ancient and now deprecated terminology coined by white missionaries?" - Hi. I have to clarify here. One the term was coined by Europeans in general not just the missionaries and the word noble is as Euro-centric as chief given that both are English words. Mark Miller's claim (which I believe to be biased and unfound) that the translation is ancient, deprecated and connotates Indians is not supported by majority scholarship or sources in Hawaiian historiography hence my comment that his views can seem racist especially to modern Hawaiians (including historians and a former pastor of Kawaiahao Church) who have accepted or appropriated the term as their own much like how some groups of Native Americans have appropriate the inaccurate term Indian as their own. Saying the term chief connotates Indians is a bigoted viewpoint given the universal usage of the term across many different indigenous society.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "Chiefess" (and to a lesser degree "Chief") are still retained/used and not deprecated when they occur as pronomimal (that is, adjectival) honorifics (Check out the schools proudly still named "Chiefess ______"; the same is true in documentaries and current writings when referring to any Hawaiian chiefesses). In terms of translating the word "ali'i" as a noun, it is currently usually translated as "noble" or "nobility". So as with many things, the terminology can depend on the usage. In any case, sources should be used to substantiate or back up any statement or assertion, whether in an article or on a discussion page. Softlavender (talk) 07:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

On this I disagree. Yes, chief and chiefess are deprecated with todays scholars and in some ways even the old, as most explain that the term chief is translated from Alii and that Alii Nui means Supreme chief. Scholars also demonstrate this by no longer calling Kamehameha I "Kamehameha The Great". They drop the nui portion of his name because they have ordinals that are used. But there are two Kamehamehanuis. Nui just means the great. It is a designation for his conquests. Chief does not, in anyway, tell the actual ranking of the ali'i (there are about ten). The native language is used to denote the rank of the nobility class because chief and chiefess were default translations from Americans referring to native populations in general. School names don't really mean much. Sources should not always be used in discussion...especially when it is a moot point. The editors already stated the preference for the Hawaiian Language usage. Referencing at this point to demonstrate such is not required. Especially when faced with this type of opposition. I mean I looked up Hawaiian American.... I couldn't find anything and yet the editor is telling me it is common. The only thing I found was Neo-Hawaiian American Race. I don't see him referencing all his claims...especially in regards to policy and guidelines. When he does it becomes a wall of text that doesn't always substantiate the claim and attacks to discredit. Calling the claim racist is insulting and was meant to be. Doubling up on it and calling my view bigoted is just uncivil and meant to be.

Seems like the car just drove through the living room.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

"Sources should not always be used in discussion ...". This is the issue with these disagreements. Instead of using or providing sources and substantiation, and engaging in a formal neutral discussion via RfC (say, on WikiProject Hawaii), two or three editors go around and around getting more and more off track and opinionized or personal, instead of focusing on substantiation and facts. Softlavender (talk) 08:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Look, the question was about the accusation of racism and bigotry. Who is focused on substantiating that accusation? Seriously. Also, you took my words out of context. I said it was a moot point. The editor didn't get the support and used personal attacks. This really isn't about the argument of the term being deprecated, the issue is, was it right to use accusations of racism and bigotry.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:37, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

What I see is a discussion between two editors that started badly and went downhill from there, simply because sources were not being supplied and facts were not being discussed, and instead opinions and personal comments were dominating. Again, the way to avoid this from the get-go is to stick to sources and facts, remain neutral, and avoid opinion, analogy, inference, or personal comment. Softlavender (talk) 09:00, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Odd that isn't what I saw. I saw a post that someone else made on November 10th that I made one comment to on November 13th. I did not make another for almost a month. Kavebear does not agree. In his approach he made disgusting accusations (a habit of his) that you seem to care little about. The way to avoid all of this is to stay within Wikipedia policy and guidelines that this editor is trying his very best to avoid and still receive an FA listing for an article that should not have passed GA. It should really be reassessed by the community before any RFC over chief or chiefess. That is the actual manner in which to get a discussion on the real issues. I don't have a problem with the editor. The editor has a problem with me. If he cannot collaborate he better figure something out because our interests in Hawaiian history bring us together a lot. I can demonstrate this sort of attack on me, when content disputes arise between us is a true pattern with this editor. With others as well. He has improved greatly in this area....accept for me it seems. I don't care if he likes me or not. I am not looking to make friends with him but to create content within the framework of our guidelines and policy.--Mark Miller (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

"One cannot argue things easily with someone who is or chooses to be uninformed; you can only hope you find enough patience until the intersection clears." Thanks, that was the advice I needed on this Buddhist argument. Keeping silent was also good. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I once came across a three-way junction blocked by half-a-dozen drivers who wouldn't give way to each other. I drove past them on the pavement. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I am driving past at this point. Probably not best to be bullied off an FA review in this manner but it is better to walk away than to stand in front of a moving truck.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Smartphone editing

Congratulations, Drmies, on your election to ArbCom. Soon, you will be so busy with dealing fairly but firmly with the World's Most Disruptive Editors that you will no longer have time for lighthearted banter with those of us who have no desire to poke anyone else in the eye, as opposed to trying to improve the encyclopedia. In this brief remaining window of opportunity, I want to draw your attention, (and the attention of your devoted talk page stalkers), to a personal essay I have written about smartphone editing. It can be found at User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Thank you for your consideration. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Upon a brief perusal, Cullen, it looks very useful. By personal choice I have never owned (or needed) a single cell phone, much less smartphone, so I have no clue how to use one and thus cannot comment any further about your essay. However, should I ever be in a position/need to use a smartphone to edit Wikipedia, this looks like an excellent Help guide. Softlavender (talk) 11:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Interesting article Jim. I do a lot of Wikipedia related stuff (a lot of reading discussions and vandalism reverts) via smartphone. In fact I did most of my ArbCom election responses by smartphone (or tablet) this year (due to a lack of actual computer for the most part). This message is done on one as well. I too generally use the desktop site, and while most of my phone contributions are to talk or project space, I have done some main space edits with it as well. Not near to the extent that you have, but I agree it's more difficult but not impossible. Voice recognition software and predictive text (on my iPhone) make this easier too. For the most part. Having said that, My phone thinks I talk about ducks a lot more than I actually do. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 11:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

coincidentally (or not), Wikipedia just popped up on my Facebook feed, and asked if and how people use Wikipedia on their phones. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 15:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you, kelapstick, for stepping forward to serve on ArbCom, and for your comments here. Please consider adding yourself to Category:Wikipedians who edit by smartphone. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I littorally can't even
Softlavender (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• I'll look at that shortly, my dear Cullen. Since a few days or so I can't even edit from my iPhone anymore: the keyboard covers the part where I'm typing, so I can't see what I'm doing. Litterally, of course, since spiritually I've been blind as a bat since I was sixteen. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

• I'm litterally on cloud nine that you used the word. Thanks, and I hope it catches on with other people. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• Try Android next time. Steve Jobs' feelings can no longer be hurt. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:30, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

• I can't, Cullen--I'm not in charge of the cell phone acquisition. Plus, I hate the Android ads, so I have a perfectly good reason as well. Drmies (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Wow, Cullen, I felt sure you were specifically talking about (and using) iPhones. I'm so confused on the smartphone issue. Everyone says Mac but then Jobs died and they monumentally fucked up the map thing, which is major when you considered smartphones are, like, mobile devices. *sigh* I'm glad I don't have to make this decision at present. Softlavender (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey, there, Softlavender, with affectionate joking I will say thanks for doing your best to keep smartphone market penetration below 96% among literate first world adults. The Amish need all the help they can get. If you ever decide to retire your purebred flock of carrier pigeons, then I recommend Android. That's because Android OS smartphones sell by the billions and "enjoy" 85% of the worldwide market. A highly productive editor who has a choice should "align themself with the choices of the masses". That's my impersonation of a neo-Marxist poseur, but I hope there is a shred of truth there somewhere. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Ha! :-) At some point, I hope to go overseas to do some research. I'll need a good laptop and a smartphone. I was thinking about a Mac Air and an iPhone. All the best people recommend those things. The only reason I might hesitate is that I'm used to PCs as computers, and the problem of the fucked-up iPhone maps that I mentioned. I haven't seen anyone on Twitter complain lately about the iPhone maps though, so maybe they've been fixing that. IDK. Yeah, I'm literally the only person I know who does not own a cell phone. Every homeless person on the streets in the slums of Mumbai has not only a cell phone, but a smartphone. Softlavender (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2015 (UTC); edited 09:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

We recently switched from PC to Mac, and while there is a bit of a learning curve, we are quite happy with the change. I'm actually picking up a MacBook Air in the new year to replace my netbook I used to use for travel. Also, I had a young engineer (mid 20s) working for me last year, and he refused to give up his old flip phone.--kelapstick^{(on the run)} 08:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Just to clarify, lest my reputation be marred, I do not own a cell phone, period. Never have. (Previous post amended to re-affirm this.) Do not even know how to use one. If I have to borrow one (of any type, even a dinosaur from the 1990s), I'm like "What do I do????" Softlavender (talk) 09:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• "Android ads", Drmies? I have never seen a single one of those ads in Northern California. Everyone here is either Apple or not Apple. There is no other choice. Perhaps Google spends their ad money in your state instead. I am sure that your local intelligent regularly published reliable sources can use the ad revenue. Or "sponsorships". Whatever you call it is all good. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I did use a Samsung Xcover phone (Android OS), until the battery died (too lazy to buy a replacement). It's waterproof but it didn't connect to a Mac, and I had to email any photos I took with it. It was at the time of the Apple-Samsung legal battle- don't know if the situation's changed. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

If you are talking about the Samsung Galaxy Xcover as opposed to its successors, then that is pretty old 2011 technology and you may well benefit from an upgrade. For sure. Better processors. Bigger screens. Better software. Those are all good things, Xanthomelanoussprog. As for emailing photos, (truly old school), the Wikimimedia Android photo app allows you to add a freshly taken digital photo to Commons, and then to a Wikipedia article, within a minute or two. Great software. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:22, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Cullen, I think Xanty means he had to email his photos from his Samsung phone to his Mac (for personal use, not for wiki). Something I'm frankly concerned about too, the other way -- compatibility of Apple mobile devices with my PC desktop. Softlavender (talk) 09:35, 13 December 2015 (UTC) ETA: I guess we are all ignoring your essay at the moment, even though that's why you started this thread. But I guess you should know by now that things do not stay on the straight and narrow on Drmies' talk page. Softlavender (talk) 09:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes- I use a couple of digital cameras which connect without any problem to Mac. The phone was recognised as being a storage device with files but the files weren't accessible. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:52, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I take my photos with my phone, put them on Facebook, save them on my computer, then delete them. Yeah. Cullen's essay, I'm going to read that on my phone, promptly. Drmies (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

R3venans

I am sorry to appear to be second-guessing you; perhaps I am missing something. You recently indefblocked this editor as being not here to build an encyclopedia. I have just read every word of his last 100 edits, which takes us well back into November. there is a degree of edit-warring between him and Modernist, and while as we know in an edit war the rightness or wrongness is secondary, I see R3venans as being correct a lot more often than Modernist. I note that Modernist has claimed the high ground by issuing warning claiming that R3venans' edits are, in some cases, racist. I could not identify any such cases, although some of his comments do relate to race, particularly in respect of Darwin's views thereof, or the views held by the Nazi Party. For example, replacing "racism" by "anti-Semitism" could be seen as more accurate, but IMHO could not be classified as an intrinsically racist edit. Nor could short quotes, duly attributed, from Darwin. this user was warned, but as the warning came from Modernist in the middle of an edit war in which he was involved, I am not certain that this warning could be seen as relevant. I will, of course, not reverse your action; but could I ask you to review it? --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 21:42, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Correction; 50 edits, which go back to December last year.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

• Anthony, it's mostly the edit warring on the Darwin article (where they were reverted by Dbrodbeck also) and on 1930s, where their interest appeared to be racial as well--"ethnically German" is a loaded term, of course, and this removal is specious; the editor could have looked at any history book or at our own article, 1936 Summer Olympics, third paragraph, to discover how wrong they were. Finally, there's this in Religion in Nazi Germany, which isn't a huge thing in its own right (and they didn't, or couldn't, edit war over it), but it's just a strange edit, and another one where the editor seems to go in willy-nilly with a disregard for factual knowledge, given that the "main point" of Mit brennender Sorge was not "just" antisemitism, and removing "racism" struck me as tendentious. So it's the edits and the warring over it.

  Looking at Talk:Charles Darwin now (for the third time) I am not so sure they were trying to host a forum on racial issues. If you want to entertain an unblock request, I'm all for it, as you know. Thanks Anthony, Drmies (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

  • As I said, I would not dream of wheel-warring with you. I do claim a certain degree of in-depth knowledge about inter-war Germany; perhaps you do as well. Hitler, in Mein Kampf and in his table-talk, routinely speaks of the Jews, specifically, as being his personal bête-noir. It is true that in his public speeches he also attacks the Slavs and the Russians, but even then his stock phrase is the "Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy" or similar variations. I would say that "anti-Semitism" is a more exact description of the Nazi racial ethos than "racism"; one could say that anti-Semitism is a subset of racism. As to the edit-warring on the Darwin article then yes, conceded. But it could be argued that it should be seen as a content dispute, with two editors equally at fault. Do you think it might be reasonable to shorten the block, with an associated final warning?--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Anthony Bradbury, I have a better idea. Let me mansplain this to you, haha. So I thought indef, you thought that was too much, they obviously think no block--you're the one in the middle. Simply unblock them if you think there's something to their unblock request, and point them to this conversation. Perhaps they will see that, if their edits were made in good non-Nazi faith, that they are interpreted quite differently by other editors. After all, this is delicate subject matter where, as you indicate, phrasing is quite important (for me, that's terminology like "ethnically", which always smacks of Blut when used in the context of Boden). Me shortening the block doesn't make much sense since I thought NOTHERE, which isn't really a temporary thing; if they have a point, and if you think they're worth unblocking, go ahead and unblock them.

      BTW, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to "wheel warring" since I think we're all fallible, and frequently these kinds of calls are judgment calls (I should write this up someday). If you or another admin disagrees with some administrative thing I did and we can't talk it out, then I don't see why you, as an admin, should not have the right to overrule me--us being equal. (I do not believe in the "whoever got there first wins" theory.) So seriously, unblock them if you think that's appropriate; I think we're both reasonable people, reasonable people can disagree reasonably, and your position is to try and keep an editor on board--so your position is to be favored. Thanks, for your note and your diplomacy, and for your advocacy of this editor. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

      • (talk page watcher) I'd say that in this case, an unblock is reasonable. If the editor is genuinely trying to push a POV, they now know not to, but to my eye every recent edit is defensible, even if it's not correct. With regards to the Darwin edits there's possibly an undue weight issue, since what's essentially being said is "Darwin's views on race were in line with those of the Liberal* mainstream in this period" which kind of goes without saying, but that's what talkpages are for. ‑ Iridescent 18:53, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

        *Liberal with a capital L; the idea that white Europeans were demonstrably superior in abilities to other races, but that this was an artefact of the environment and all races have the same potential, and that with a good dose of Commerce, Christianity and Civilisation, enforced at gunpoint if necessary for their own good, differences in ability would vanish.

@Drmies:Just for your information, while I was elsewhere JamesBWatson declined the unblock request, and Iridescent then unblocked anyway. that being so, I think I will do nothing else except watch. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Just for the record (since the above makes me sound like some kind of cowboy admin using a supervote to override someone else) the actual chronology was "JamesBWatson declined an unblock request, R3venans posted a fresh unblock request indicating that they understood the issue and there wouldn't be a repeat, which I then accepted". Reblocks are cheap if the problems restart, but I don't see any particular benefit to be gained by keeping R3venans blocked, since there's no indication that the edit-war is going to restart and if any problems do restart they'll be noticed within seconds. ‑ Iridescent 16:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

• Ha, Iridescent, I am sure that Anthony's "unblocked anyway" was not intended to be an allegation of cowboy status, and I am fully at peace with the unblock, for which I thank you and Anthony both. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Court Square Fountain

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Today

enlightenment

thank you

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Cosmicism

Hi Dr. and talk page stalkers, some added attenton would be welcome here. A COI account is trying to add content copied from an essay he published; I think it's promotional and perhaps WP:FRINGE. Additionally, it really isn't related to the Cosmicism of our article's title. Other takes on this would be welcome, whether there's a strong argument to be made for including a brief passage, or for a block of our self-referential user. I propose the latter option if this continues. Cheers, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• The whole paper's here ->Cosmicism. It seems to be presenting the case for teaching astronomical knowledge as a way of broadening consciousness- anyway it's optimistic whereas Lovecraft is pessimistic. And banal- shouldn't be included. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• I've no problem with either optimism or banality--I'm occasionally guilty of both, though not always simultaneously. But yes, it's off-track, and is clearly promoting the author's work. The content was also a copyright violation, which frequently leaves promotional fingerprints. I noticed that administrator Liz left a warning, which I appreciate. One hates to be the only voice of admonition. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• Wow. How do you keep finding this stuff. Don't you ever nap? Nice cut. Did you notice the term "educationist"? My vocabulary expanded again. Drmies (talk) 21:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• No, I didn't see that, but keep in mind I don't often read thoroughly through these things. It's not hard to find this stuff--it often takes just a few minutes skimming the recent changes to pluck a couple of ripe chickens from the batch. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

  

  99 plucks a chicken from recent changes

Yes, I just discovered we had a Category:Educationists which is different from Category:Educators. I believe that a graduate student with a PhD in Education would be considered an Educationist while a professor or teacher would be an Educator. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• (E.C.) What you don't know is how many broken articles I pass up, either because they're so deeply problematic that I have not the patience to untangle them, feature foreign culture and language issues that discourage involvement, or are driven by passionately political or moralistic agendas that are best revisited after the fighting has died down. The unacceptable content on schools and universities is, I suspect, more rampant than anybody can imagine. To a lot of passersby, this is a site designed for free publicity. As for Liz's finding, I'm definitely an educator. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• Schools and universities? I can do you one better: school administrators and politicians. The BLPs associated with the administrative side of academics are particularly bloated, and when professors and academics go into politics (Jane Philpott) it gets even worse. We got a new high-ranking administrator a few years ago, and I was surprised to see that the resume inflation common in that profession was reflected in our articles. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but she's known for "her work on addressing the social determinants of health." That's awesome! Plus, she hangs out with that dreamy Justin Trudeau fellow. Can't you cut her some slack? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Please spare a thought for the fruit fly that's got tangled up in her dress. The copyright holder is One Tree Photography *insert joke here*. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Talking of trees, here's a dog story that could do with expansion. Thong Daeng. But maybe not if you want to visit Thailand. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I think you want to be careful with what you write about that dog. Does the animal pass our notability standards? (Don't tell Hafspajen I asked this.) Drmies (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Well someone spent 4 million dollars making a film about the คุณทองแดง. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Xanty, we don't pay you enough. Not nearly. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Done; it was an episode of Dexter (TV series) wasn't it? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Heroes, but sure. Thanks Xanty! Drmies (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Selection in Arbitration Committee

For us ordinary folk without access to the executive washroom, here's a sneak view of what it looks like - you're all jealous now, aren't you?

Hello Drmies, congratulations on your appointment to the WP:AC. I am sure that you will serve the committee to the best of your abilities. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 17:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Haha thanks--we'll see how far my abilities carry me. I gotta tell you already, though, those poor Arbs have to do a lot of work behind the scenes, a lot of pretty boring paperwork as well. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 17:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, but it's worth it to have the keys to the executive washroom. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:43, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Should have known that was you in there. Drmies (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
      • (talk page stalker) Ahem....my primary concern with that image is someone forgot to put the damn seat down. Atsme^📞📧 22:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
        • Since I am here, there are indications the squat-toilet has medicinal benefits due to the position required straightening the bowels and less likely to cause the various lower intestestinal problems suffered by us civilized folk. Only in death does duty end (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
          • Oh indeed, the Boing! family bowels are considerably healthier for the time they have spent poised above such anatomically superior plumbing. And don't you think it's cosy the way there are two receptacles side-by-side? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:16, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
            • One aspect is missing so far, good for endless argument - Joseph was his name. Have a woman's dream on the Main page, the hook mentioning "new simplicity". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
              • Only in death does duty end These[7] are supposed to be very good. Doug Weller (talk) 19:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
                • Have we had enough fun yet? Drmies (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
                  • No, I laughed more here, - the second ibox made my day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! Or is it condolences? In either case, THANKS. LadyofShalott 02:39, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

OH, crap, what images people decorate with around... Hafspajen (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Re: DYK nomination of Stray Dogs (2013 film)

Thank you for reviewing my nomination, Drmies. What do you mean by adding "a word or two to the lead, like '2013 Taiwanese-French film'"? Those words are already in the lead paragraph of the article. - PM800 (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Sorry, I meant the DYK hook. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks...

..But it wasnt really necessary. I dont find that sort of vandalism serious enough to warrant RevDel. Plus you missed the revision (I assume the same person) two earlier that added the same content ;) Only in death does duty end (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Lawrence Biondi

I notice that you eliminated all the award mentions from this article. Would you agree that some of real notability and verifiability could be restored?Jzsj (talk) 13:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

• Dear Jzsj, I addressed this on your talk page yesterday. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for joining the Women in Religion Virtual Edit-a-thon, 5 to 15 December 2015, hosted by Women in Red. Over 125 articles were created or expanded. Your contributions are appreciated! Hope you will also join us for the WiR Women in Music Virtual Edit-a-thon from 10 to 31 January.--Ipigott (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

• My pleasure Ipigott, and with thanks to Rosiestep. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Rosie is simply lovely

Thanks, and sorry for so much trouble but once again, I didn't do that ! Krenakarore ^TK 01:10, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Your edit summary on your user page

Think of it as the most simple 2X matrix, as I remember it from college classes 35 years ago. One axis is either iPhone or Android. The other axis is either Wikipedia's mobile site or Wikipedia's desktop site. The optimal choice is in the lower righthand corner: an Android smartphone on Wikipedia's desktop site. Everything works fine there. The three other choices are formulas for "chaos", to quote Jeb! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• Not so fine on the iPhone with my old eyes. I just left a message for poor old Macspaunday, the current bane of my existence, and lacked the energy to sign. You, sir, are considerably more energetic than me. (But I'm on page 489 of Vanity Fair.) *stop the press*: my phone just corrected my misspelling of that editor's name. Bravo! Still, this is a drag. And I'm not getting an android. Not tonight anyway.

Android smartphones are now so cheap that over a billion of them were sold this year, plus close to a billion last year. Compare that number to the population of the US, plus the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Heck, throw in the Netherlands for the fun of it. Teenagers in Lagos and Mumbai can afford them quite easily. And they work perfectly for editing Wikipedia. Facts are facts. But use whatever hardware you prefer. It is a free country, at least for now. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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"Roger is Dutch you see."

Roger is Dutch you see. He's quite happy to start saying "fuck" from the get-go.

This explains a lot. Softlavender (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• Fuck yeah. How do you come up with this stuff? Vrolijk kerstfeest! Drmies (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

LOLz. Just finished reading the book: Who's My Bottom?, by Christopher Gillett (Amazon, Amazon UK). Quite good and quite funny, although primarily for opera fans. (He has some other choice things to say about the Dutch.) Amazon flagged the book for me I think and the Kindle version was cheap. Merry holidays to you too! Softlavender (talk) 04:57, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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• I wish you the same, dear Ealdgyth. Thank you for your support! Drmies (talk) 04:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Thanks BMK--it's much appreciated. I saw on the news you're having a warm Christmas too. All the best, Drmies (talk) 04:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Possibly an exemption to my ANI ban?

I see this ANI thread had to wait some hours to get closed after I'd blocked the user. This has happened before, and I've been told by at least one user that it can be an inconvenience. ("Why didn't you say you had blocked? You're banned? What are you talking about?") Would you consider lifting my ANI ban to the extent that I'm permitted to provide an informative note (nothing more!) that I've blocked/banned a user? Bishonen | talk 12:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC).

• OTOH, I just remembered you're about to become an arb. Suppose it goes to arbitration and you have to recuse? Hmmm. You realize you can never perform any interesting actions ever again? Bishonen | talk 12:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC).
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Many years ago User:Calton was ordered to stay away from me and I was ordered to stay away from him. We do NOT get along. This morning, he ventured back into my territory, into a discussion which was all but closed between myself and Debresser. I have a doc's appointment this morning, so I don't have time for diffs, but I need some advice on how to proceed. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:00, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer Nothing was closed. You removed a maintenance template out of a misguided feeling that it doesn't do what you want it to do,and replaced it with a text of your liking. Your edits are disruptive, and you must stop, or possibly be blocked.

@Drmies Please see my talkpage for more details. Debresser (talk) 16:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Debresser, apparently, is doing a little WikiStalking and continues to wing insults my way thinking that will somehow solve the matter. Debresser has [Template_talk:Complete_list#Category:Articles_containing_potentially_dated_statements stonewalled Rich Farmbrough] (and myself) in this matter and is now resorting to edit-warring and threats. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• I can't really enforce something that sounds like an iBan if I don't have the paperwork. I saw the ANI thread was closed in the spirit of the season (something solstice-related, no doubt; Floquenbeam is into ancient pagan religion, I think). I do think that Debresser's edit summery here and in a half a dozen other places is a bit assholish ("poepgaterig"?). Debresser, you should really consider that this stays in the article history forever, and will be read by folks who have nothing to do with you and Homer and your technical dispute. I can't judge the merit of the matter: it's well above my pay grade. Drmies (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Regarding Calton, it's in there...somewhere. Regarding Debresser, I honestly don't know how to get through to the guy. He is stonewalling everyone, isn't open to compromise, wings insults and threats left and right. I don't know what to do there. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I am not stalking, rather I noticed that you raised the issue with a few other epople, and want to make sure, that you don;t misrepresent the issue. That is a legitimate interest.

@Neutralhomer

I am not handing out insults and threats, rather pointing out to you your lack of expertise and the consequences of disruptive edits.

You haven't tried to reason the issue out with me. All you have done so far is try to explain everything I do as a personal attack on you. The fact that that approach is not delivering you any result is not due to my so-called stonewalling, but to your problems in having a content-based discussion.

@Drmies

I don't think that edit summary was overly harsh, insulting or vulgar. I had hopes at the time, that Neutralhomer would recognize the fact, that he is indeed not an expert in maintenance templates, and desist. Alas... Debresser (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Since you pinged me, Drmies, and since NH is using your comment above to try to win ("When an admin says you are are being "assholish", perhaps it's you."), this admin would like to point out that NH is acting assholish too. So Drmies, if you could have a quiet word with him, that would be great, he seems to value your opinion. Also, I can't find anywhere that Calton is i-banned from talking about NH; the thread linked by NH above is pretty clear that it's one-way. If there's some other later thread where it was made 2-way, NH should find that thread. Otherwise he should stop saying in multiple places that Calton isn't allowed to say anything about him. I'm not sure it even makes sense to have the 1-way interaction ban after 7 years, but that would probably require more bureaucracy. Also, Drmies, you won't be able to use "above my pay grade" as an excuse starting in about 10 days, so you should get out of that habit now. Although mercifully, you'll soon be able to use "I can't comment because this dispute might be brought to arbitration", which is just as useful. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@Debresser: Why would I "reason the issue out" with you when you continue to insult me. Saying repeatedly that I have "lack of expertise", that I "doesn't seem to know how [how things] work", my posts on your talk page "clearly show [my] ignorance regarding Wikipedia workings", and my current favorite "Are you really stupid, or just pretending?". You started, in a vague way, by insinuating that I was an idiot and then came right out and said it. So, if you can't lose the snark, why would I discuss anything with you?

You have snapped at me, Anomie, Rich, and Mlaffs over this issue. Anomie and Mlaffs are admins, Rich was (I do believe) and all have more experience than you or I when it comes to these things. I have been here almost 10 years. So, give me credit where credit is due, I understand the inner-workings of templates and Wikipedia rules. I also know when to call bullshit on something and what you are doing, stonewalling everyone, trying to force everyone to do things your way and insulting everyone is bullshit.

I won't engage you in constructive discussion until you stop your current behavior and come down off your high horse. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@Floquenbeam: I am being assholish and I know it. I typically get that way when people like Debresser resort to insults and stonewalling on a stupid issue like a template instead of discussing it. He loses his 'tude, I'll lose mine. Then maybe we can come to some compromise.

As for the iBan, there is one, it's out there, but I'm going to go with BURDEN on this one in locating it. Calton and I do not get along and block logs on both sides prove that one. So, if there isn't one, there should be. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Floq, I'm never letting go of this pay grade thing, you know. I already don't know what they're talking about on the lists. And here, we're talking about boring templates--bleh. Homer, that iBan with Carlton, if there was one, is kind of one way. That doesn't mean Carlton gets to abuse it by baiting, of course. Debresser, if you got a problem with Homer's edits, you can discuss that on a talk page, in more neutral language--not via insults in an edit summary. You can claim the summary wasn't insulting, but it was. Now. Let's carry on. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I believe Rich has found a workaround that will make everyone happy and Mlaffs implemented it. So hopefully this is resolved and we never have to speak of templates again. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
    • @Drmies: While the template nonsense is over, I did notice this edit summary from Debresser. I still had his account on my watchlist from earlier, just hadn't gotten around to removing it. His snark has now escalated to full NPA violation. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:20, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
      • Our beloved Chabadnick Debresser ought to make a New Year's resolution: Abstain from all Lashon hara, broadly construed, here on Wikipedia. Be a mensch instead. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer 1. Nothing wrong with that edit. Using the f-word is fine, according to WP:ANI discussions I have participated in. Especially on my own talkpage, not to mention when it was provoked. 2. Stop stalking me. 3. Stop trying to find fault in others. See Matthew 7:5 in this regard. Debresser (talk) 07:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Schulich School of Music

Happy Holidays, Dr! I know you're otherwise occupied now with arbitrating things that need arbitration, but I figure your talk page is a very fine virtual office water cooler still. If any talk page stalkers would like to take a crack at this article, please have at it--I've started by chipping away at some of the unsourced promotional business, but there's so much still there it makes my kidneys ache. Another lovely vessel for press releases, apparently for many years now. Cheers to all, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• I'll have a look, but my time over the break is always limited... Drmies (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
• Not the first time that I run into promotional editing from McGill; I see that DMacks was at it too, and Edgar181 blocked one obvious name violation. Happy holidays! I'm going downstairs to look at a ham. Drmies (talk) 19:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

  Thanks to you, Dr, and the abovementioned folk. My kidneys feel slightly better. Incidentally, though it's absolutely crass to talk about such things, one of my students gifted me with a ridiculously dear bottle of hooch. You may want to start dropping hints in class. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Ha, good for you. I've been telling them for years I wanted a certain book for my birthday but ended up having to buy it myself. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Hope you got the 2010 paperback edition. Those real books are expensive these days. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
• Nope, hardback--the book is too thick for paperback. It's wonderful, though--and our library has e-access to it so that students can benefit from it too. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Cheezum, and you have leverage, what with grades and all. Maybe you need to show more leg. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on Red (Taylor Swift album)

I know you've kind of already addressed this, but that was in the realm of pop and rock. Can you share your thoughts on Red (Taylor Swift album)#Pop album, yet nominated for Best Country album? Thank you. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 20:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism on user page

Do you consider the vandalism on your user page funnily or would you like to remove them? If so, then it will probably get protected and revdeled. Also, I like the ostrich . Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 21:57, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks, I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

  @Dat GuyWiki: Sorry for the rollback over what seems to be a good-faith edit, but to me it does not seem that those categories are "vandalism", as they have happily lived there for ages [8]. To me, they look like Drmies's tongue-in-cheek fun. No such user (talk) 10:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• No such user, thanks for rolling that back. Dat Guy, I don't think I asked you to do what you did--and really I had no idea what you were talking about. Wanting User:LessHeard vanU to come back, or being a woman, or third-gender, or a Wikipedian sex worker, those are hardly insults. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

hey

happy holidays buddy. :-) — Ched :  ?  02:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Ched! Take care! Drmies (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hoho

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78.26's RFA Appreciation award

	The 78.26 RFA Appreciation award
	Thank you for the participation and support at my RFA. It is truly appreciated. I hope to be of further help around here, and if you see me doing something dumb, you know where to find me. Again, I thank you. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:13, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Tikkun olam

I reverted your change because I don't think you looked at the article's edit history before you used Twinkle to revert -- and leave me a level-4 vandalism warning for an edit that was not vandalism. I restored a portion of a (sourced) sentence that was deleted without explanation by another unregistered editor. In the future, please try to be more careful. Thank you. 66.87.114.241 (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

• See your talk page. Your edit seemed antisemitic. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Baloney! That's nothing but ex-post facto rationalization. First, the source says "utterly destroyed", which another editor paraphrased as "smash". Second, your revert left a nonsensical sentence fragment. 66.87.114.241 (talk) 02:01, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Yep, and yours left a bunch of ref tags floating around--and a direct quote which wasn't in the source. Now, all is well--merry Christmas. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
      • Apologies for the ref tags. I must have tapped a stray key on my phone, but my last edit to the article fixed that. I do see your point about the quote, but I was restoring what had been there before -- assuming good faith of the editor who added the material. None of my edits were vandalism, though, and that would have been apparent if you had looked at the article's edit history before using Twinkle to roll back my edit. 66.87.115.115 (talk) 05:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
    • BTW, strange bedfellows you have; now you're in with Smallbones against Altenmann (good luck!) on Obama chmo!. You could, of course, just log into your account and PROD that silly, nonsensical article or send it to AfD. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 04:19, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
      • • That's an interesting theory. If I wanted an account, I would register but I've been editing unregistered for nine years and I don't see any reason to stop now. By the way, you should know that an article that's already survived an AfD can't be nominated for PROD. 66.87.115.115 (talk) 05:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
          • I do know that, smartypants, and now I know that it was already sent to AfD--thanks. That close could have gone differently. But it doesn't take away from the main point: you could have done something more useful than edit warring with some stubborn person. Drmies (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
      • The Jill Jacobs source mentions a passage in the Aleinu translated as "idolatry will be swept away, and false gods will be utterly destroyed." This passage is not talking about Tikkun olam directly but is offered as context for the thinking of roughly two thousand years ago. The contested passage in the article says that one meaning of Tikkun olam is "fixing the world by smashing all the non-Jewish religions". This is unacceptable and not an accurate summary because the Aleinu is not describing "Tikkun olam" in that passage, and "false gods" is not synonymous with "non-Jewish religions", and normative Judaism does not teach that all other religions are idolatry. The disputed passage is a piece of crap. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:49, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
        • These are interesting thoughts about the source and its interpretation, and the appropriate place for such a discussion is Talk:Tikkun olam. I was just trying to undo some vandalism and wound up accused of being a vandal myself. 66.87.115.115 (talk) 05:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
          • Please do not restore content which is a piece of crap that misrepresents the source, and then all will be well, and no one will accuse you of anything. Informative edit summaries are good practice, but the lack thereof does not justify restoring really bad content. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:02, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Whichever holiday you celebrate!--Mark Miller (talk) 04:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Mark, and same to you--I'll celebrate whatever comes along. You'll be pleased to know that I just pulled my Kerststol out of the oven. I should take a picture; the main pic for that article is weird. Drmies (talk) 04:19, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
  • That is weird. I was going to take pics of the hors d'oeuvres I've been making but....I keep eating them before I can reach for the camera.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:26, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Jeff the Diseased Lung

Another Believer has asked for a deletion review of Jeff the Diseased Lung. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 17:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for leaving a note, Cryptic. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!

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Merry Christmas!

Drmies, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day. Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:00, 25 December 2015 (UTC) Spread the joy of Christmas by adding {{subst:User:Neutralhomer/MerryChristmas}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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... en een gelukkig nieuw jaar. I was surprised to see that you are going to be a member of the exalted order of Arbitrators. Congratulations, I suppose. Ucucha (talk) 07:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati)

Hi Drmies, thanks for taking a thorough look at the St. Xavier article recently during my wikivacation! While I may disagree about a few of the edits, I've learned a lot from your changes about school article standards. (Admittedly, I've procrastinated on trimming unneeded details.)

As a defense against vanity edits in the "Notable people" section, I've been adamant over the years about allowing only redlinks for articles that are already linked from other articles, with the assumption that such articles are more likely to meet the notability criteria. If those individuals aren't notable enough for articles, they should be unlinked elsewhere as well, for example Special:WhatLinksHere/Nick Vehr.

Thanks also for removing the extraneous quotes from citations. I added most of them years ago because the St. X and Cincinnati Enquirer websites had very poor permalinking practices. Of course, it looks like using the St. X website as a source was a bad idea in the first place; now that the Enquirer is archived on Newspapers.com, the quotes can all definitely go.

With all this pruning, I think there's room to grow the article in some new directions, so thanks again for your help. Have a wonderful holiday season!

 – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 05:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

• User:Mxn, the better the article looks, the happier I'll be, and obviously without your work it'd be a sad little stub. Yes, the redlinks...the general rule is no article, no entry, so I typically leave the redlinks for people that are inherently notable (if the claims are to be believed) but cut the others, with the motto "write the article first". Those quotes, I cut them mostly because they weren't really necessary and they really weighed down the article. A couple of them also were a bit long and may thus have fallen foul of fair use guidelines for non-free material, though individually most of them weren't excessively long after all.

  By the way, that article (and the school has a fascinating history) led me to some other avenues. I wrote up Robert S. Johnston (real short) and added a short note to St. Mary's College (Kansas); the history of Catholicism in the Mid-West is of great interest to me. Anyway, thanks for your note and the festive spirit. Merry Christmas to you too, Drmies (talk) 03:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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