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WPF1 Newsletter (September)

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--Midgrid(talk) 11:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

F1 2010 (video game) release date

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With regards to the F1 2010 (video game) release date, are Game really worth trusting? Their release dates are, shall we say, subject to change. Also, the information section is all about F1 2009, so that cite page is not very good either. Most other websites say sometime in 2010, so can't we wait a while for a more serious release date? Darth Newdar talk 17:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm glad that you agree with me :) I am always slightly nervous when I make this sort of comment! Darth Newdar talk 17:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Formula 3000 and Re:2009 World Series by Renault season

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No problem. I compared the English with the German Drivers and Teams-table. Do you know the scoring system of the International Formula 3000 Team-Championchip? I translated the English arcticles (1995-2004) and also added the Team-Championchip, well I looked which driver started in the races for which team and I summed the points, the drivers scored, up. In the 1996 season I got a problem. When I sum up the points, I receive that Super Nova Racing had won the Championchip, but this International Formula 3000 article says that RSM Marko won the Championchip and in 1997 RSM Marko had #1 indeed. So RSM Marko was probably the Teamchampion.--Gamma127 (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Team Standings 2009 Formula Three Euroseries season

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Why has Mücke Motorsport a 2nd and a 6th place in Dijon race 2 and not a 2nd and a 5th place? Bird is 2nd, Sims 5th, Vietoris 6th.--Gamma127 (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Jenson Button

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No problem, it was a good edit :) I managed to read Autosport in Tesco's today haha, sometimes I'm too cheap to buy it :-/ No problem about the GP2 Asia article - I'll keep an eye on it and make sure jolly old OfficiallyMrX doesn't go all wacky on it. Sometimes he edits really quite well, and sometimes he's so wayward! Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

That's true - looks like it's not just us Wikipedians who seem to be F1-centric! Maybe Dario suffers a bit from having "abandoned" the British scene quite early and gone to the US. Or did the British scene abandon him? And well, maybe Mr X sees it as part of his duty to keep us on our toes! Which he frequently does lol.. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
It's an interesting point, and I first really noticed it when Justin Wilson left F1 for the US and he went from being quite a popular guy in the press, to getting practically no coverage at all, despite the fact he was doing well. I wonder if it's because the motorsport press over here still look at US racing as a poor relation - all this "go fast, turn left" stuff from journos who don't take oval racing and NASCAR etc seriously. Snobbery, if you like. It seems that racers in the US only gain respect when they come over and have a go at F1 and do well. Maybe that's what Danica Patrick was getting at when she said she didn't want to do F1 because she feared she wouldn't be given a fair go. The press would have jumped on her if she'd been a bit slow at first. Michael Andretti... lol...
And yes, the season articles are really entering their silly season now - drivers being added willy nilly with refs from oscure Brazilian newspapers etc. I think the fact that Button is now looking at McLaren justifies our policy of not adding drivers till they're absolutely confirmed. Many people were already 100% sure he'd stay at Brawn and it did get added a few times. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm glad he's popular over there - anyone new to the sport relying on the British press would probably not know who he is. I thought he, and Doornbos incidentally, were worth another shot in F1. Hopefully Wilson can continue to have a fulfilling career despite that :) It's good that IndyCar is moving away from the dominance of the oval circuits, that can only result in a boost in viewing figures in my view. Shame it's only on Sky though - maybe with the rise of digital TV, one of the free-to-air channels can pick up some of this good racing. NASCAR is going to be a harder nut to crack though I think. It's still the only four-wheeled motorsport I just can't get interested in. My ex is from Kentucky, and I never understood the popularity of it over there, yet many people there couldn't name a single F1 driver.

It'd be nice to see a female driver in F1, but I don't know where a good one is going to come from. I suspect Patrick might have found it very tough anyway. But yeah, at least she would have been able to qualify, unlike Amati! She was Briatore's girlfriend at one time - amazing how far his influence could take you! I agree about the Button / McLaren talk. I thought it might be a way of scaring Brawn into finding a bit more cash. Button doesn't seem McLaren's type somehow - they generally go for either a top-line driver, which Button isn't, or a driver with something to prove, again, not Button. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I wonder if his height is still counting against him. Surely not? He could do a good job for USF1. It sounds like US open-wheel racing needs a Bernie! He has certainly managed to make F1 TV-friendly in all kinds of countries. I recall living in Spain in the mid-90s, and races were only shown as highlights at about 2am on a Monday morning. Alonso fixed that! America will need an amazing driver to make F1 universally popular there, and it wasn't Speed. He's been in more races than anyone else without troubling the top eight.
Agreed on the female drivers. There seem to be a few in the lower formulae, but they can't get past those last couple of hurdles to F1. Getting one in GP2 would be the next step. As you say, they need to get a young American in, perhaps with fresh European racing experience, and I'm really not sure Kyle Busch is the man! Has he done any single-seater racing at all? And yes, I think Button knows that Hailton would be the #1 driver in reality, even if Button wore the #1. The car will be built around Hamilton and Button would have to adapt to it. Staying at Brawn, he'd get the car built around him. But if not Button, who will McLaren take? Looks like things have stalled with Raikkonen, unless the Button talk is aimed at spooking him too! Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I always thought that an F1 team could design a car to suit Wilson if they really wanted to. It seemed like a cop-out, except at Minardi, who had to use old cars all the time. And yes, the US needs a real hard-nosed, sharp type to do the Bernie job. Bernie may really be one of a kind though. I'm not keen on Alguersuari, I don't think he's good enough. He should be closer to Buemi, who will never be a topline driver himself, in my view.
Gachnang was fairly useless in F2, so she'll never trouble F1. Something weird about her being Buemi's cousin, it seems a bit nepotistic or something. Edwards could be good - still young though, as you say. Busch will struggle in F1 without some serious long-term testing. He could actually look pretty silly if he's not careful. I think Glock could work for McLaren, but Toyota would be mad to junk him for Kobayashi. Just because Kobayashi rally-crossed his way to 9th in one race, punting off his countryman in the process (how DID he get away with that??), doesn't mean he'll make a solid driver. Nakajima started in a very similar way, and now he can't buy a point. He's another guy who'll be looking for a team, and Kovalainen, Trulli etc. Lots of seatless drivers! Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I did wonder how much Alguersuari was affected by continuing to race in the World Series - STR said it was a benefit but I'm not so sure. I wouldn't say that car was a dog - like last year's car, it's very good at certain circuits. Take Brazil, where Buemi did well, but still Alguersuari was tailed off. I tend to class STR as a team who take very odd decisions about drivers. Sacking Bourdais was unreasonable considering he wasn't doing any worse than Buemi really, and they replaced him with someone who is consistently slowest in races. Another team who take very frustrating decisions about drivers is Toyota - they have dropped several drivers who were doing a good job (McNish, Salo, da Matta etc) and now they want to drop Trulli and Glock, despite the fact that there aren't two better drivers available. They say they want winners and then start looking at Kobayashi. I think Kimi would be mad to go there. And I can't stand Howett :)
I thought Soucek might be worth a shot, or Villa. Looks like they might go for de la Rosa though, presumably for his testing knowledge and "safe pair of hands while we don't have any money to repair broken cars" qualities. I think several drivers were critical of Kobayashi in Brazil, weaving under braking, squeezing Nakajima into that big crash etc. For sure he'll be required to clean up his act quickly if he gets the chance to continue. I agree that we won't get a very clear picture till after Christmas, and there's bound to be one or two shuffles going on right up to Australia. Ah, the musical chairs! Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I can just see STR deciding during the middle of next season that Alguersuari is too slow and then taking on someone else. I'm really not sure STR is a fun place to be generally. Ask Scott Speed and Bourdais! I'd love to see Bourdais come back and prove everyone wrong at a new team. I'm so glad you said that about John Howett because I totally agree. He's utterly clueless. Toyota had a really good line-up for this year who did well with a car that was sometimes awful and never really capable of winning, yet Howett said it was basically the drivers who were the difference between winning and coming 2nd or 3rd. Nutcase.
I didn't know Villa was that experienced in GP2! He surely deserves a go at F1. And I'd like to see Soucek do well in that test. Maybe Williams could promore him to third driver once they promote Hulkenberg. De la Rosa - he's probably only worth one season, I'd say, until the team find their feet and can bring on a new young driver. A good brain to have around though. Likewise Villeneuve, Gené or Davidson. Wurz seems to have ruled out another comeback, but maybe someone will give Badoer a shot! I totally forgot Bahrain was the opener next year. It'll seem strange for it not to be in Oz... Bahrain's hardly a crowd favourite, but ah well.. plus ça change!! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Hartley seemed to have lucked out quite badly when Bourdais was sacked, since Hartley was test and reserve driver at the start of the season. He couldn't have done any worse than Alguersuari. I'd love to see Bourdais at USF1 - the American fans know him and he's experienced, and I doubt he'd be expensive - they really should be talking to him. Howett - I'd love to see him really come unstuck, perhaps running out of driver options if Kimi goes elsewhere. He'd have to crawl along back to Glock and Trulli. There can't be many (any?) more experienced drivers than Villa aged 22. He has to be worth a punt in the next couple of years. He should have a head start on other guys with maybe only 30-40 GP2 starts. Hulkenberg is a shoe-in, no? People have been talking about him replacing Nakajima for months and he was so good in GP2. As you say, made Grosjean look pretty average. I think F1 would benefit from Villeneuve returning, and Davidson deserves another shot. That Super Aguri was fairly hopeless. He'd be the perfect driver for a new team. I think Badoer should set up his own team and keep driving! Seriously, if he had the stomach for it, he'd make a great tester for a new team, even if it was part-time. He doesn't have that much to do at Ferrari now, especially as he's not 3rd driver any more. I'd love to see him earn back some respect after his hard time filling in for Massa. I don't think Fisichella is doing a much better job than Badoer would be doing by now. Donington? What a farce. I'm a bit surprised Bernie thought it was a goer to be honest, or maybe he was just doing it to spite Silverstone. God knows what will happen to what's left of Donington now, but at least we'll get a decent race in 2010 :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, looking at those videos, you have a point! I doubt there's any love lost between them after that hahah... I don't know much about Summerton, but I've heard his name mentioned for the USF1 seat, and he can't be hopeless. If I were in any kind of charge at Renault, I'd snap up Glock ASAP. I'm sure Glock would be happy enough to move, and he's the best of the drivers without a contract (or near-contract), I think. I think Grosjean's had it - he was one of Flavio's proteges, wasn't he? As such, his biggest fan in the team has gone, and he's hardly covered himself in glory, though he hasn't been awful. The di Grassi / Manor thing seems all but sewn up, so yeah, Renault will be looking for a new third driver, and Baguette (can't believe that name) looks like a solid bet. How good is Charles Pic? He has nationality on his side.
I'm with you on the Hulkenberg deal. Surely when the #1 driver is settled, they'll announce them both together. Bianchi does look good - he deserves to move up to GP2 - I like that he's nephew of Lucien Bianchi too - there's a blast from the distant past. I'm also with you on the Canadian GP - that's a circuit with real character, and it's a shame it was missed off this year. I feel bad for Fisichella - he took the Ferrari drive for the same reason as Badoer - he was asked! When an Italian is asked to drive for Ferrari, that's it - done deal. Sadly both drivers have suffered - it seems like a hard car to drive, and it makes Raikkonen and Massa look even better. Donington is a great bike track, but for cars it's not a circuit that makes for good racing, unless, as you say, it rains! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like Summerton might benefit from another year or two learning his trade before trying F1 - he'd be pretty green. I agree that Kubica-Glock would be good for Renault - no rookies, no controversy, no primadonnas, just two straight-ahead quality drivers with something to prove. Grosjean could go back to testing, or maybe he's an outside bet for a seat at a new team. I've always rated Parente, saw him at Silverstone once and he impressed me. Sounds like Pic needs another year or two too. We'll see how he shapes up in GP2. I think Williams have a great catch in Hulkenberg, and they're a good team for him to start with too. Hope those Cossie engines are good enough. So where do you think Raikkonen will go? I think he's now the guy that a lot of moves are hinging (hingeing?) on, since Toyota want him and are probably waiting to see if they get him before deciding on their #2. If he doesn't go to McLaren, then they might look at Rosberg, leaving a place at Brawn etc etc. And Donington... it reminds me of a football club that's come under dodgy ownership. A decent enough basic product, but terrible mismanagement and they'll wind up with nothing if they're not careful. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:GP2 Asia codes

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I'm opposed to the changes that Cybervoron has made, because:

  1. The predecent from previous seasons is for GP2 rounds to have the same codes as the F1 races they support (so MYS should be MAL, and the races at Yas Marina should be ABU).
  2. The F1 codes themselves are not based on the ISO codes, but are the result of a vote a while back at WT:F1 (which should be visible in the archives).
  3. It is unnecessary to distinguish between different rounds at the same circuit, as the table is arranged in chronological order anyway and it's obvious which one comes first. Adding "1" or "2" to the end of the code breaks down the principle that each code should be three letters long, and makes the table more unbalanced.

I would obviously prefer the codes in the blank table on my reference page. It's probably best to bring this up for discussion on the WT:MOTOR page, however.--Midgrid(talk) 20:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Rio Haryanto

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Thanks for helping me editing the page on rio haryanto. By the way, how am i suppose to get the source of the Formula BMW Pacific Race Results?Áqúá ďêîâŝ Σ14:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

BMW Team UK flags

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Hi there. I was wondering whether you had an opinion on User:Falcadore's decision to change BMW Team UK's flag to Belgium in WTCC articles. I understand where he is coming from but I am not so keen. What do you think? Feel free to argue either way, I won't mind. Thanks - mspete93 [talk] 16:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, fair enough - but what about his arguement that Chevrolet is just a sponsor of the RML team? Isn't it a Chevrolet team with the operation run by RML? - mspete93 [talk] 22:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (October)

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– Cs-wolves(talk) 16:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:Photos on German Wikipedia

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I informed the user.--Gamma127 (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Turk picture

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I'm sure that I would probably have done the same thing if I had a picture. - mspete93 16:02, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Hello, Cs-wolves. You have new messages at Talk:Kevin Chen.
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WPF1 Newsletter (November)

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– Cs-wolves(talk) 23:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

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Thanks for delivering the newsletter again. I should have been online to do it myself, but I left uni on Sunday and have only just got an internet connection at home.--Midgrid(talk) 19:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Please could you archive your talk page? It took more than a minute for me to load it.

Thanks, it's much quicker now. :) --Midgrid(talk) 23:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a strong preference, but I won't be online for December 31st!--Midgrid(talk) 02:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Robert Richardson, Jr.

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Which should be the title for the article Robert Richardson, Jr. or Robert Richardson (NASCAR)? I can do the history merge thingie, just undecided which is the best option. Please respond here on your talk page and I'll take care of it with the mop. Royalbroil 03:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I preferred Robert Richardson (NASCAR), so I went ahead. It had been tagged as needing a history merge when it actually didn't. Sorry, I contacted you because I thought that you had made the request. Royalbroil 03:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Oli Webb

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Of course not. Why wouldn't I let you, or anybody else? - mspete93 23:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


Projects

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Thanks for adding projects to article talk pages. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

World Series by Renault seasons

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Hi Cs-wolves,

I don't know if this subject has been discussed before, but I thought I'd get your opinion on it anyway. My proposal is that instead of having the World Series by Renault season articles entitled, for example, 2010 World Series by Renault season, it should instead read "2010 World Series Formula Renault 3.5 season".

As you probably know, the title World Series by Renault refers to three different categories that race on the same package - Formula Renault 3.5, Eurocup Formula Renault 2.0 and the Eurocup Mégane Trophy. I just feel that by using the phrase Formula Renault 3.5 it would make the season articles more specific and separate from the other two series mentioned.

Thanks in advance and happy Christmas!

Mark DG (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

2010 Formula One season

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Thank you for these corrections, i contribute much more on it.wiki so sometimes i forget that in english these things are written in different ways. Bye! Restu20 (talk) 16:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (December)

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– Cs-wolves(talk) 10:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of space formating

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Hi, can I ask why you removed the non-breaking space formating -   as you did in the Formula Palmer Audi article (16:03, 8 January), which is required according to the manual of style for numbers and their descriptive words? And can I also ask why you hyphenated wheel sizes? 13-inch is not the correct way to describe the diameter of the roadwheel - 13 inch is the correct formal way accorging to academic text books. Kind regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 22:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

WSbR

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Yeah, looks great. Thanks for doing that, I'm struggling for time with exams and things at the moment. I was a bit unsure how we should do a navbox for these summary pages. Link from the current Template:World Series by Nissan/Renault years, or modify it? I'll have a go at something later in my userspace. As for the article, a mention that the F4 Eurocup is a new addition would be a good idea. - mspete93 17:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've had a go at the navbox here. Please feel free to make improvements yourself. I removed the V6 Eurocup, but you can add it back in if you want to. - mspete93 19:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
My bet would be on trying to add older non-WSbR seasons of the support series :). Anyway, I'll paste that template in and add it to the pages (although obviously some are just redirects for now). - mspete93 19:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Guess what! [5] What do you think? Rival series rather than a support series so I'd say no. - mspete93 20:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Good work. I hadn't realised that the Algarve FR3.5 round wasn't a WSbR meeting, so thanks for correcting that. - mspete93 13:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Well there's this as well. I don't pay that much attention to the series really. - mspete93 15:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
That one seems more for promotional purposes, whereas there is a subsection of the Renault Sport website that is more useful, although it's still lacking driver profiles etc. But then you knew that anyway :) Come to think of it, I can't think of an official championship site that is flawless. - mspete93 15:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Alan Robertson (swimmer

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I have nominated Alan Robertson (swimmer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 01:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 British Formula Three season

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Sorry for my error in the teams' alphabetical order. I initially put Raikkonen Robertson Racing under "D" for Double R, but forgot to change the table order when I changed the team name!--Midgrid(talk) 14:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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F1 newsletters

You may wish to archive the Formula 1 project newsletters on this page. Some of them are so graphics and template intensive that it took me almost 30 seconds to load this page, over a pretty fast broadband connection on a fast, new-ish laptop. :-) — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 05:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Pedro de la Rosa

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Okay, I just got an edit conflict when editing de la Rosa into the Returned to F1 section. The weird thing is that when I checked the article to see what the updated page said, what you edited in was almost word-for-word identical to my version. Even the bits about Montoya. Weird. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

GP2 asia

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Hi

Why do you keep editing away the round 2 confirmation on Ericsson??

clearly says on the OFFCIAL site for super nova he is driving for them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.27.60 (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Dani Pedrosa's number

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I used the source here for my edits on Dani Pedrosa's number, but I believe that the source you gave me is much more reliable. However in the FIM source, it mentions that Marco Melandri number is 24 and not 33, which according to User:Chris Ssk is a mistake by FIM. Now I'm a little bit confused on which number they'll actually use. – Martin tamb (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I agree that for now it's better to follow the source cited on the article. Sorry about my edits, I made them too quickly without proper research. On the other hand, I found news item from crash.net that might explains the number change. :) – Martin tamb (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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