User talk:Ccson/Year 2007

Using AKA Presidents Template/Stomp the Yard

Hi, CCson. Thanks for the AKA president template! I am using/modifying it for the Links, Incorporated artice. Also, are you going to go see Stomp the Yard? It might be helpful to incorporate the film's contraversy into the Alpha Phi Alpha article. From the film's preview, I thought I saw the Delta's logo (sigma backwards) and the opposing fraternity is inferenced to be Kappa Alpha Psi, because I heard "yo-yo," and that's trademarked as well as "ice cold" <b><font face="trebuchet ms" color="FF9999">Bearly</font><font face="trebuchet ms" color="A6F591">541</font></b> 07:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Uploaded Dubois at Beta Chapter Banquet, 1932

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Duboisapa1.jpg -Robotam 16:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What a great picture!--Ccson 05:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Threat from User:Osiris06

I just opened my e-mail and I received the following:

Real96, The Badge of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated, is trademarked and copyrighted AND is not for public display. If you continue to display, this matter will be submitted to the General Counsel of the Fraternity and Wikipedia for legal resolution. ******* I have been reverting [1], [2], [3], and [4] his edits to the article. As a result, the user is blocked indef. What do you think? Leave a message here, and I shall respond! <font color="teal" face="georgia">Real96</font> 06:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Osiris06 may not be familiar with the necessary procedures regading copyrighted image in wikipedia, however; he/she is welcome to pursue the matter to whatever lenghts he/she feels is necessary. The suggestion to add the pin was requested by another user. An Admin MrDarcy cautioned adding the pin unless certain procedures are followed. I print his reply which was posted on an archived Alpha Phi Alpha discussion page:

The image is copyrighted and can't be used. If someone here takes a picture of a pin and uploads it, that's fine. Taking the JPEG from another site is not. | Mr. Darcy <small>talk</small> 02:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I took the picture of my pin and uploaded to this site, so I think it has satified wikipedia, otherwise I would have received an message that I violated copyright law.--Ccson 03:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

As long as you were aware of the situation, that's all I wanted you to know! <font color="teal" face="georgia">Real96</font> 04:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.--Ccson 14:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Age Calc template

I just love that age calculation template!!! 2much 20:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Phi Beta Sigma Article

Greetings. I only worked to get the ball rolling on the article. I am going to be working on other things. Whatever changes you feel you need to make go ahead.--EhavEliyahu 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha

No, I won't revert to another version, because for one thing you do not have consensus for your version. Others disagree with you.[5] Also, please stop calling each other vandals. Wikipedia:Avoid the word "vandal". Neither of you are vandalizing the article, so stop the namecalling. ··coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>acan 04:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, now would be a great time to go to Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha and make a section there explaining your reasoning, and then invite the other editors to that section for discussion. ··coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>acan 05:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I was asking for clarification on a wikipedia policy, not what should be acceptable content for the article. I thought an adminsitrator would be able to provide the requested guidance.--Ccson 05:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is not policy. It is a suggestion for reaching consensus. What I was suggesting is that you discuss the content of the article at the article talk page. That could be a step toward consensus. ··coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>acan 05:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Again, Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is not policy. As long as Justin isn't breaking WP:3RR or committing other blockable offenses, there isn't much I can do. ··coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>acan 05:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha Pyramid Picture

I removed it, not because it is simply a picture, but because pictures are supposed to enhance an explanation or situation. Simply showing a picture of the pyramids really isn't all that necessary. Jmlk17 20:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

that's one point of view.--Ccson 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it is. How is it fair use as well? Jmlk17 02:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Many people are not familiar with a Sphinx and the image does add value to these individuals. Are you familiar with wikipedia suggestion regarding Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle?

You know what I hate? When someone makes too good of a point :). Just kidding, but seriously, I don't know why, but the picture in the template just rubs me the wrong way. It might just be me, but how about pushing it down into the actual article, where symbolism is discussed more in-depth? Jmlk17 02:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The idea wasn't original, I saw it in the Cornell University when they depicted their mascot. The picture is already in the article, however; i will remove from infobox. thanks for all the good work you do for GLOs. Nice to meet you.--Ccson 02:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; nice to meet you as well. Hope to see you/work with you down the road. Jmlk17 02:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I just wanted to thank you; most of the time whenever I encounter an argument here on Wikipedia, I find it never truly getting resolved. But you handled your end much better than normal, and much better than I did in our end of the conversation, and for that, I thank you. Hope all's well, and happy editing! Jmlk17 07:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sourced statement

Hi Ccson,

Thanks for the message concerning adding the reference for the Alpha Phi Alpha brothers' biographies. Although it was my intention to add this documentation, almost 25 years of being a member of the fraternity means having to find 25 years worth of documentation which I am in the process of compiling (yes, I have my own personal archives) though I was a bit surprised that some of them did not have it already mentioned. This just probably means that I take knowing who ACTUALLLY belongs to my fraternity a bit more seriously than most and am able to add the information to the bio and be assured that it is indeed correct from memory. That said, all documentation will be added to the brothers whose bios I updated for they, like me, are indeed members of Alpha Phi Alpha.

Now, while we are on the topic, I am a bit surprised that people like Charles Diggs and Roland Hayes had Alpha Phi Alpha mentioned in their bios when they are clearly NOT members of the "brotherhood". I provided "guidance" and alleviated ignorance by removing these men (Diggs is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi, I believe, while Hayes is clearly a member of Omega Psi Phi).

As far as an account goes, well, I got some ridiculous "IP address" block, followd the instructions and, voila, it reappeared. Go figure. Rather than deal with that nonsense, I think I'll just update bios with the correct information and add some references. I think that will be enough factual information.

So, once again, thanks for the message.

Fraternally yours,

Diop

Hi Bro. Ccson,

It just hit me that I can't pinpoint all the bios of the Alpha men that I have updated. Any help that you can provide here for me? If not, I will do the ones I KNOW that I did like Brother Dr. Alfred B. Xuma, past President of the African National Congress. I know that no one else would have added that one. LOL.

Fraternally yours,

Diop

Check these two links for possible articles you updated. You will see the contributions made using the IP address as you scroll down the list.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.102.42.175

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.181.84.128

Roland Hayes was listed as a member of Alpha Phi Alpha in it's Centenary Report of the World Polciy Council. The link was provided in the article before you removed it. Did you check the source before removing the text. I will provide the link here] for your review, pls see page 10 and give me your thoughts.

Hi Ccson,

Thanks for the quick replies. To repeat my previous post, after getting the IP block message (LONG after I had created the original account), I re-created my account using the instructions I was given in the email I received that said it was okay to use my account. When I then tried to use it I STILL got and STILL get the IP block message. So, once again, any suggestions would be helpful here and I thank you in advance.

As far as Mr. Diggs (Kappa Alpha Psi, I believe) and Mr. Hayes (Omega Psi Phi) are concerned, I am trying to find MY documentation on the matter. No offense to anyone (and I am checking the documentation you provided as well-thanks!) but until then, I stand by my previous posts that they are not members of APHIA, period. Before Wikipedia I HAD NEVER, EVER SEEN these two fine African-African men listed as members of APHIA, anywhere. I really don't see that many mistakes concerning our membership, so, as I said earlier, I will continue my research as well.

So please let me know where else to turn with this IP block matter. It has been a nuisance matter. In the meantime, I am blowing the dust off of almost 25 years of archival material that I had forgotten that I had and will provide references as noted in my earlier post.

Thanks a million,

Diop

You will need a very good reputable and verifiable source to contradict the claims of the Alpha Phi Alpha national office which has listed Roland Hayes as member in a report issued just under a year ago in an official report. Remember, they could have chosen from over 175,000 names, but included Hayes among the likes of Dubois, Sissle, Cullen and Robeson. It could be a major Faux pas, but one has to believe that several eyes proof read this document before it was published. I'll await your findings.

What is your userid?

Hi Ccson,

Could the writer of the article supply their "very good, reputable, and verifiable source" to prove that the great Mr. Hayes was a part of APHIA? I got Mr. Hayes affiliation from my Omega friends ages ago and have NEVER seen him affiliated with us in any way but always highlighted by the Omegas one of their "brethren". As a matter of fact, the memorial service and Howard University (1985?) Tribute programs for Brother Dr. Charles Wesley that I have mention Mr. Hayes (he was a classmate of Brother Wesley's at Fisk) and CLEARLY DO NOT identify him as a member of APHIA. Surely on such grand occasions as these Mr. Hayes membership would have been highlighted, correct?

BTW, mentioning the great Alpha brothers like Dubois (Epsilon chapter), Cullen (Eta chapter?), and Robeson (Nu chapter) in this discussion does not bolster your contention re: Mr. Hayes since ALL THREE are CLEARLY MENTIONED in the History Book of dear 'ole APHIA as members of the fraternity. I also have known for ages that Noble Sissle was an Alphaman as did many of us "old heads" (said with kindness,of course).

The userid issue has been solved today by creating a new one. Thank God! The new one is diop2000.

Best,

Diop

What article are you referring to? The one I provided in the link that is a report Alpha Phi Alpha's World Policy Council? The members include Edward Brooke, Ron Dellums, Horace Dawson, Henry Ponder, Darryl Matthews, and a list of other prominent Alpha men. Did you go to the link and see who produced and wrote the report? click here] and you can see that this is an official document of Alpha Phi Alpha. The authors of the report also know about sissle, dubois, etc, that why they were included, and I'm just saying how could they miss on Hayes. You may be right, but you're in contradiction of the national office which has been sourced and we need to resolve this. Unfortunately, personal knowledge is considered orginal reseach and not allowed in wikipedia.

BTW-I'm not mentioning dubois,etc to prove my case because I don't have one. I said the Alpha fraternity bros who authored the World Polcy Report of Alpha Phi Alpha mentioned Hayes among these names as members of Alpha Phi Alpha. Have you read page 10 of the report, because you're asking questions that should have provided in this report? --Ccson 17:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ccson,

Yes, this needs to be resolved, my friend but for the brotherhood, not for me. And a reminder sent to Omega Psi Phi that they SHOULD NO LONGER claim Mr. Hayes in documents if I am wrong (now this I am waiting for with "baited breath"!). And with solid proof (dob, date and chapter of initiation, etc) as you allude to (sort of like the documentation that I added for Brothers Xuma and Archibald Carey, no less, though I Do tend to know who does and does not belong to my fraternity). Also, you seem to be believe that men can't make mistakes. Happens daily, my friend, even with great men such as those mentioned above. Also, many brothers aren't as in tune to the "historical membership" as others. I've seen Quincy Jones, Bill Cosby (Omega Psi Phi), and a few (not many) other African-American men of note mentioned as Alpha men who clearly were NOT. Happens due to eagerness, honest mistakes, the fact they people aren't perfect, and due to confusion over names and affiliations (yes Jackie Robinson played for the APHIA baseball team somewhere and was a member of the Sphinx Club while at UCLA but he WAS NOT initiated into the fraternity).

Best regards,

diop

P.S.- If I am right I expect a nice APHIA hat to mysteriously appear at my doorstep. diop

I am not suggesting that the WPC or yourself has made a mistake, although one has to be incorrect. I'm simply pointing out to you as a fellow wikipedian, that all inputs on this site must have a reputable and verifiable source. Alphaphialpha.net is not simply a local chapter which has layed claim to Hayes, and Hayes may be an Omega, but the source needs to trump the Alpha Phi Alpha national office. If Hayes is an Omega, then the national office needs to speedily correct the WPC report. I think its you who believe that while men may make mistake, you are not in this category since you're waiting with baited breath. Have you contacted the national office to confirm hayes membership. I'm sure the national office will appreciate your efforts in correcting all the old heads on their error and a hat at the minimum will appear, but I think you should hold for a copy of the centennial photo taken at howard university.

You can sign your name on any page by typing 4 tildes, likes this: <nowiki>Android Mouse Bot 2 11:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)</nowiki>. The key to the left of the number 1 key.--Ccson 21:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

see Category:Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Alpha

Check this out.

The Official Charter. We will need to get the contact information of the original author to upload. OR, we can say, that the copyright expired b/c the document is over 75 years old. <font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">Real96</font> 03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I am uploading it, since the copyright has expired. <font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">Real96</font> 03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Great!!!--Ccson 15:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Buildings named after Alphas

Just wanted to let you know that the library at Fisk University is jointly named after Bro. John Hope Franklin (a Fisk alum, Alpha Chi chapter 1932)and his wife. Check the school's website.

Keep up the good work.

I'm going to update the new article List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers to include the accomplishments of brothers. I'll add this information here. I'm compiling the information offline and will upload the complete reorg of this page sometime next week. I just finished with Marc Morial, so I'm just over half way. You'll be the first to know when my work is done.--Ccson 05:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Adisalee 18:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Improving Article

I have decided to start improving the Phi Beta Sigma page. What improvements would you suggest? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Occasio (talk • contribs) 20:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

list of Alpha Phi Alpha Brothers

Is there a small limit to the amount of information that can be contained on this list? Feel free to edit or delete any information that I have added to the list of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. I am only trying to share some of the information that I have been fortunate enough to come across. I intentionally added information about brothers of Alpha that are/have been involved in areas of entertainment such as sports, music, movies and television. I chose to focus on those fields because they are often overlooked and unnoticed when mentioning the achievements of Alpha men. While entertainment is certainly not more important that government, politics, religion, education, etc. it is still interesting to much of the brotherhood. Alpha is prominent in many areas and I only wish to share what I know about the versatility of our great organization. Additionally, fame or noteworthiness is certainly a matter of opinion and debate. Someone who is not familiar with a particular field or area of expertise would probably not recognize brothers that are prominent or even moderately successful in that field. In my humble opinion, reaching/achieving certain levels of success in a particular field deserves acknowledgement. Obviously the mayor of a major city is going to be more "notable" than a mayor of a small one. One accomplishment may be greater than the next, however just accomplishing that level of success (becoming a mayor) is noteworthy. In other words, just making it to the NFL, NBA, Major Leagues, etc. is an accomplishment all in its own. That level of success deserves at least a little attention. Whether it's a mayor, senator, astronaut, or NFL player, I personally feel that those brothers that reach those high levels in their fields are worthy of recognition on something as simple as a webpage list of successfull Alphas. Maybe not in a famous Alpha hall of fame, but certainly on a webpage! LOL However, feel free to edit or delete anything that I have added.

List of Notable Alpha Phi Alpha brothers

Looks like a very good list. It is one of the lists I have been using as an example in building Notable Alpha Phi Omega members. Is the list pulled from a single source at the National webpage? I know I've gotten comments on lack of references on the Alpha Phi Omega one.Naraht 13:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes and No. There was a category that was deleted by some wiki project that said such categories should not exist. The category contained a list a names from articles that had this category on the members page. The majority of the aritlces had a reference or link that indicated the person was member of Alpha Phi Alpha. This committee built the list from the category. I organized this list from an alphabetical listing to the current one which has sections and added all the detail.

I'm hoping that when someone links to the person's page, that editors will be satified with the reference provided on the person page, or the list might contain hundreds of reference which would be a nightmare. The fraternity site will only list the names, but the details of accomplishments are contained in person's article, so you may have to provide references which prove the detail, not just that he was a member of the fraternity. If I haven't already done so, I will add a link to the APA website which does list many of the names, but obviously not all.--Ccson 03:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I remember the CFD for the categories, which also got rid of the one for Alpha Phi Omega. We went the other way, the Notable Alpha Phi Omega members has all of the references (and yes we are up over 200). I probably should add a link at the bottom to that place as well, but I think I include it as one of the references.Naraht 11:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The group that got rid of the category and created the list should have provided the references in the new members article. The category did not require a reference since each person listed had an article in wikipedia and many APA members, the reference was provided. To create the list and leave the work of providing the references to others is probably something they didn't think about. I may attempt to add references at some point, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it since I didn't create the original list without the references, and it's not on top list of things to do. If you want to tag the article, feel free to do so.--Ccson 03:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment

That is a very inappropriate statement on your part (that I am "biased against Alpha Phi Alpha"), and I highly suggest you consider very carefully how civil you are toward other editors. Your bias as the primary author of the article and your conflict of interest as a member of the fraternity are starting to be disruptive and not building community. Please stop the accusations, or the next step is formal mediation, which neither of us want. Justinm1978 19:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal case

The Mediation Cabal: Case progress notification

Dear Ccson/Year 2007: Hello there. I'd like to let you know that in a Mediation Cabal mediation case that you are involved in, or have some connection with: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-29 Infobox Fraternity I've made the following changes: I have written my initial analysis and request for further information. Please have a look at what I have written on the mediation page; I would be most grateful for your input there. I am requesting the participation of the other users you named there as well. Thanks! I would be most grateful if you would please have a look at the mediation case page linked to above, and participate in the current stage of the mediation process if you wish. Of course, participation is completely optional, and if you don't want to take part in this mediation, that's perfectly OK. :-) If you have any questions or concerns relating to this dispute, the mediation, or the Mediation Cabal in general, please do let me know. Thank you very much. Best regards, NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Head of Government

(This was posted on the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers discussion page before I made the change a second time)

In the case of countries that are part of the British commonwealth(Bermuda, Jamaica, etc.), the Queen of England (respresented by the Governor-General) is the "Head of State" and the Prime Minister or Premier is the "Head of Government". http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5375.htm

In the case of the U.S. Virgin Islands, the "Head of State" (in capital letters) is George W. Bush. The governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands is simply a "governor" just like the governor of California, New York, or Florida.

The governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a "Head of State".

If the U.S. Virgin Islands was an independent country, then you can call the governor the "Head of State".

If you want to say that the governor is the head of the "local" government, then that is fair game. But no governor in the U.S. is considered a "Head of State" or a "Head of Government".

Some encyclopedias refer to U.S. governors as "head of the government" in lower case letters. That simply means that they are the head of the local government. The only "Head of State"/"Head of Government" of ANY part of the United States is George W. Bush.

Please read this: http://www.britannica.com/nations/United%20States http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5375.htm

But you didn't wait for consensus before reverting.

Verification of Ron Allen's status as a member of Alpha Phi Alpha

Thanks for making the corrections to my entry for Ron Allen. Ron currently works for NBC. He has worked at both ABC and CBS. Bro. Marc Morial, CEO of the National Urban League, can vouch for Ron. Marc and Ron were line brothers and crossed in April 1977 at Psi Chapter. aepowell.edublogs.org

FA Status for List of AΦA Brothers

Good work, job well done.-RoBoTam^ice 20:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess we'll have a new General Presdent after the convention in Orlando this weekend. I'm hoping Skip Mason gets the nod from the fraternity.--Ccson 02:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Alpha Kappa Alpha

Thanks for your help for improving the AKA article, but can you not copy the words per verbatim on the AKA website. This is kind of known as plagiarism. Whenever you cite something from a source, you can copy per verbatim as long as you enclose the words in quotes, (""), etc. Thanks. Miranda 17:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't copy the words verbatim, and please refrain from trolling my contributions. For example, I left a message for one user on his user page to change the background from crimson to cream on the Kappa list of polemarch template, within hours you had changed the letters to white color, and you would only know this if you were trolling my contributions or his user page. I added a table to AKA using 3 columns, you changed it to 2 columns, again within hours of my update. I added the African American template to the AKA page, once again, quickly reverted by you. If you want something "Construction" to do, try this.--Ccson 02:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

This isn't considered trolling under trolling. Trolling is a "deliberate following around a user/harassing their working environment, etc." I am not doing that in this case. I have not touched the Alpha Phi Alpha page and the list page, recently (which, by the way, you did an excellent job on). First, there is no ownership of materials on Wikipedia. Second, most of the NPHC sorority/fraternity pages are on my watchlist. Third, I changed the color of the templates/columns because they would be easier to read on the page. Fourth, you are not the only one interested in NPHC sorority/fraternity life, so please quit thinking that there is some sort of "vendetta" in my contributions. Fifth, in real life and on Wikipedia, plagiarism is a serious offense, which if serious, can get users blocked. Thanks for the "contruction" suggestion; however, I am working on improving this page as seen by my sandbox. Thanks. Miranda 16:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you're going to make changes to NPHC orgs, you should start at ground-zero and at least learn the Greek letters so you will know what groups are being named. I said nothing of the Alpha Phi Alpha page in my msg above, I said AKA Alpha Kappa Alpha, for which if you're working on improving I'm numb with disbelief that you can't recognize its greek letter counterparts. Second, I know the KAΨ (that's short for Kappa Alpha Psi) template titles were difficult to read, that's why I requested on Pop4any page that he change the colors so they would be easier to read, the only reason you changed the color on the kappa template is because you were trolling my contributions and saw my note to Pop4any that he should consider changing the color to cream; you changed to cream, but didn't like it so you changed to white. Third, you may NPHC orgs on you watchlist, however, I left the msg on Pop4any's talk page which you either trolled his or my contributions to notice my comment to him about the title being difficult to read, or you have his/my talk pages on your watchlist, which is trolling. Fourth, you're correct when you say there is no ownership which is why you don't own the article AKA, (that's an acronym for Alpha Kappa Alpha, not Alpha Phi Alpha) and why I don't understand why ever time I or someone makes a change, you are quick to make your own edits or post comments on that persons talk page. I added {{African American topics sidebar}} to AKA and you quickly reverted here saying it was irrelevant and left a note for me that you're weren't ready for it be on the page, You Don't Own The Page and therefore Can't Summarily Decide When Something is Irrelevant or When It Should be Added. Fifth, how did you know I was updating the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers page? or that I had replied to your comment Never mind question five, I know the answer. Finally, the only point I agree with you is your parenthesized comment about the excellent job I did on the Alpha Phi Alpha list, (I couldn't resist), and Thank You.--Ccson 13:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

First, please assume good faith. I have all nine NPHC organizations on my watch list page. Second, I changed the colors of the text on the template, because blue on red is hard to read on the page. see this. Third, I know the difference between AKA and APhiA. Fourth, the moral of this story is, not to add copyrighted text to the website without permission from the copyright holder. Paraphrasing w/o using exact words is okay, but cite the source where you get your information from. Miranda 11:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I did assume good faith, however; you have a 100 percent track record of rewriting every change I have made to the AKA (Alpha Kappa Alpha) page. I did paraphrase and you are certainly welcome to post my final text and the text from the web site so all can see what your objection is about. I did provide the source, that's how you were able to lickety-split go and see what was entered. Plus it became evident you were trolling based upon your quick response to my note for Pop4any. I know the blue color was difficult to read: I made that assertion, My point is that you changed them because I asked user Pop4any on his talk page to do it since it was his original code. You could only have known of this request and my original idea that it was difficult to read if you were troling my contributions and/or his user page. Your watchlist for the nine NPHC orgs would not have alerted you to my msg on another user page. The moral of of this is learn your Alpha, Beta, Gammas. Please leave me alone.--Ccson 12:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Notable Alphas

I would like to make more contributions to the list of notable Alphas. I have references, but am unsure how to create a reference on this site. Are there instructions available anywhere? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Playboymixx06 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

See {{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}} for 3 possible reference styles. I beleive these references will point others such as journal, newspaper, etc. You can also look at the code that has been entered for other APA names to see how it has been used, and/or if you supply the first reference, I can enter it so you can see how its done.

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I don't know if it's used by anything else than Wikipedia:Featured content/Lists. It's basically the exact opposite of <noinclude>: everything not in the tag will not be appear in transclusion. Circeus 16:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Jena Six

I had reverted your edits on the Jena Six page because you didn't even pay attention to what you were changing. Using "ref name", more than one fact can be linked to a source. If you change the source and keep the ref name tag (as you did), then all the ones connected will instead go to the new source. I've updated the section with new sources, but please pay attention next time to what you're changing. Ophois 15:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I see the mistake I made and I corrected it, however; since each time you've also reverted the text, it appears that your real intention was not in the citation, but in restoring the original text. Next time, since you seem to understand what's involved in citations, and if that's your true intention, simply change the ref name for one of the references so its not duplicated. That's a more simpler and better change than restoring to an out-of-date reference.--Ccson 16:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Email

Brother what is your email I had a question about something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhrozenAPE06 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left you a message on your user page, but if you would like to communicate by email, please provide yours and I will contact you.--Ccson 20:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Haven't forgotten.

Only warning.

I have reviewed your image uploads and have come across a startling number of images you have uploaded in violation of our image policy. Usually when I see abuses of this magnitude, I hard ban the user right out, but it has been a while since your abuses and any block would be punitive. So let this be your only warning....

• Before I began reviewing your uploads, more than half of your uploaded images have been deleted by other administrators for varying reasons, and this is troubling.

• You have uploaded copyrighted images of living individuals. This is discouraged: copyrighted images of living individuals are considered replaceable fair use, and thus against policy. All replaceable fair use images you have uploaded have been deleted.

• You have uploaded images without providing source information. This is prohibited, and all those images have been deleted.

• And the most serious offenses, you have uploaded a shocking, shocking number of images under false copyright tags. You have uploaded copyrighted images, mostly from educational institutions and private websites, claiming that the images are GFDL or public domain, when this is not the case for each of those images. AN IMAGE MUST EXPLICITLY STATE ITS COPYLEFT STATUS FOR YOU TO CLAIM SUCH WHEN UPLOADING. Most images found online are not GFDL or public domain. Copyright is automatic, and to upload images claiming a license under which it was never released constitutes a copyright violation and one of the most serious offenses a user can commit. All of your offending uploads have been deleted.

Other administrators have been alerted to your violations. I do not know if your offenses were accidental, or if they were on purpose. Either way, any single instance of violating our image policy will result in a ban from editing without further warning. We take copyrights very seriously, and copyright violations will not be tolerated. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

If the violations were accidental, than I have no desire to see you stop editing, provided your further uploads are within policy. My main concerns weren't really with the logos, but the historical pictures and pictures of individuals you put GFDL tags on when they were not GFDL. That is a big no-no. If you have any questions about image use, I'll be more than willing to help you. Just keep the following things in mind:

• An image can only be tagged as GFDL if you own it (took it) and release it that way, or the image was specifically labeled as such wherever you found it.
• Copyrighted images of living individuals are prohibited. Copyrighted images of dead individuals are O.K. provided the source where you found the image is the owner of the image and you have an appropriate fair use rationale.
• All copyrighted logos that you upload must have a source.

Again, you kind of have to be rather careful with image uploads. If you are in doubt, ask first. In most cases, it probably won't be allowed.

By the way, my talk page is User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson. You have been leaving me message on one of my sub-pages. If you need assistance with anything, contact me at my talk page. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I clicked on your userid from the msg you posted here, and then chose the associated talk page. I will probably refrain from adding images unless I think it really pertinent, but I will consult you for advice before adding. Again, I really wasn't trying to do anything against wikipedia policy.--Ccson 19:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I share your concerns here. Whilst I understand the need for compliance with copyrights, Admins do seem to be taking differing stances, and that is unhelpful. The whole process of uploading an image is somewhat cumbersome and impenetrable, especially to unsophisticated editors and newbies, so I'd guess most people are just "hoping for the best". Personally, I deprecate the practice of wholesale deletion without warning and threats of banning where in fact policy has changed after those images have been uploaded. If the copyright can be fixed, they should be given a chance to do so. And sooner rather than later. I don't think we want to lose good editors. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 15:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Images

I reviewed the revison history for List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers and see that a lot of images were removed. Are you sure I uploaded all these images or did I just use them in this article? I'm concerned that many of the images are from deceased persons so I'm not sure why they were deleted, they had a source, were they tagged with GFDL, and if so what would the appropriate tag for a deceased person? Also, can you provide an example of an image of a living person tagged with GFDL and the source so I can see exactly what you're saying I should look for to ensure it's licensed under GFDL? --Ccson 14:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I know you said you would be checking back on my talk page for my response, but I'd prefer to keep it here, as the conversation is a bit detailed, and I don't keep an archive and regularly clear out my talk page.

So to your questions...

The GFDL is a specific license applied to a work, by the author of the work, that allows for reproduction of that work provided credit is given. There are other copyleft licenses, such as the Creative Commons series of licenses. The GFDL is what Wikipedia uses as a default.

Copyright is automatic on most works. Works that are not copyrighted are items in the public domain, such as works published prior to 1923, works of the United States federal government, and some state governments. There are other exceptions, but it can get a bit complicated. Some folks, when contributing to Wikipedia automatically release their works into the public domain, but there aren't that many, and the GFDL takes precedence anyway. If you know an image is from before 1923, and can prove it (i.e. the individual died before 1923, or the source website specifically says the date is from before 1923), than you may upload it as a public domain image. Here is an example of an image I found online that has to be from before 1923, so I uploaded it to our sister site which hosts only copyleft material for all Wikipedias, Wikimedia Commons, as public domain, and it can be used anywhere on Wikipedia without restrictions.

Images that you take, and that you own can be tagged as GFDL, because you are the copyright holder. When you upload an image to Wikipedia that you own, it is automatically GFDL, and you can choose to add other copyleft tags. Here is an example of an image of a living person that is tagged GFDL and CC. I took this image myself, so I was able to upload it and tag it as copyleft, and it can be used without restriction anywhere on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has many images of famous living people, uploaded by users who took the images themselves.

So how do you know, if you are uploading an image you found online, that the work is GFDL? Unless you took it, it probably is not. Copyleft licenses are relatively new, so nearly every image you can find online on websites are not going to be copyleft, and thus not compatible with Wikipedia. Even if it comes from a website that does not have a copyright notice, copyright still applies. Some websites do release their works under the GFDL or a compatible CC license, but these are fairly few and far between. (There is a website called Flickr that hosts user-generated images, some of which are usable on Wikipedia because the uploader chose a CC license that can be used on here, but you have to be careful because images on Flickr are not automatically copyleft.)

So what do you do if you want to upload copyrighted images of individuals. If the individual is alive, you don't. Copyrighted images of living individuals (except in very few case-by-case circumstances) are considered replaceable fair use and will be deleted. See here for fair use guidelines. So lets say you want to upload an image of a deceased individual. If you are taking the image from a website, it is very important that you know for sure that the website owns the image, and that they are the source, or that they clearly list what the source is. A proper, traceable, verifiable source must be provided for all images uploaded to Wikipedia. If you upload a copyrighted image for use on Wikipedia, it may only be used in very restrictive circumstances: an image of a deceased individual who was part of an organization, for instance, may only be used on an article about the individual, and not the organization. Once you've uploaded the image, you must provide the source, a copyright tag (not a GFDL tag because it wouldn't be GFDL), and a proper fair use rationale (and that is really important).

Here is an example of an image that I have uploaded of a deceased individual. There are many websites with pictures of this individual, but none actually have the right to use the images, nor do they provide their sources. I found this image on a website that clearly provided the source (in this case, the copyright owners gave permission to the website to use the image). After uploading the image, I put an appropriate copyright tag on it, gave a proper fair use rationale, and put it on the article about the individual. This image cannot be used anywhere else, though.

So, there you go. Copyright policy in a nut-shell. A big nut-shell, but I think I've clearly spelled out what is acceptable and what is not. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 17:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You have written an excellent treatise on copyrighted images, however; I will take you up on your offer for advice if/when I ever decide to upload another image. Thank You.--Ccson 14:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Images undeleted. Sources found. Fair use guideline provided. The world is saved. Miranda 05:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

How can I ever Thank You? I guess I can say it–?Thank You!!!--Ccson 14:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

...uh, I deleted 73 of his images, Miranda, and only four or five were restored. You make it seem like you saved scores of images, and that is just not the case. Perplexing... --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The images I helped to restore and provided FURGs to were shields of NPHC organizations. Each of the organizations' memberships consist of about 100K to 200K each. I think that's fairly important feat. :-D Miranda 22:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Quote box

I noticed you had requested a feature for {{Quote box}} quite a while ago. I created an updated version at {{Quote box2}} that might be what you were looking for. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look and see if I can make use of it.--Ccson 14:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Works great, thanks.--Ccson 15:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

AKA/APA/KAY images from 1940

Miranda 20:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do some research to see how to incorporate this into the articles(s).--Ccson 02:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

From Alpha Kappa Alpha Through the Years: 1908-1988, p. 140:

“ The 1940 Boule in Kansas City was a tri-convention with cooperative scheduling by Alpha Kappa Alpha, Alpha Phi Alpha, and Kappa Alpha Psi. ”

Miranda 03:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

See text in fourth paragraph. Also, I think the file name and description of this badge is incorrect. this appears to be the Alpha Phi Alpha delegates badge as shown by the black/gold ribbon and the Greek ΆΦΆ letters. I would think that the AKA ribbon was pink/green and crimson/creme for Kappa with corresponding Greek letters. What are your thoughts?--Ccson 15:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

(reduce indent) I do agree that it is a APA badge. I noted that while incorporating the picture in the article, seen here. Miranda 22:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but you named the file "BadgeAKA2", refer to the pin in the AKA article and in the summary description on the image's page as part of AKA's 23rd Boule, when in fact this particular pin is part of APA 28th convention. I know the AKA and Kappa medallion (the round part) was the same, but again this pin and the black/gold ribbon attached was not part of the 23rd Boule because it wasn't distributed to its member who attended that Boule. Perhaps consider recropping the image so that no part of the ribbon is shown so that the text on the close-up is not misleading. You do need change the text on the full image because it's incorrect.--Ccson 04:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The three conventions were held at the same time in Kansas City. I chose the name of the file as AKA, b/c that's how it was listed on eBay. Miranda 14:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for letting me of the file.--Ccson 23:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Beta Chapter Links

FYI
prominent alum: http://www.aphiabeta.com/prominent.html

100th anniversary reunion: http://www.beta2007.com/
-RoBoTam^ice 17:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I will update the List of APA brothers with some of the names from the prominent list of beta members.--Ccson 03:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Alpha Phi Alpha shield.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Alpha Phi Alpha shield.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. β^_command 22:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

re: LeRoi Jones

Hey Frat,

Bro. Lawrence Ross, author of The Divine Nine emailing! Sorry about making a hash of adding LeRoi Jones to the list, but I was never very good at html. Anyway, LeRoi Jones is better known as Amiri Baraka, one of the most famous beat writers ever. He was initiated at Howard University and is listed in their lines: http://members.aol.com/fiveb90/lines.htm I can get you more info if you'd like. Thanks for all of your work, by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.81.43.41 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find either of the two names in the link you provided. Perhaps I missed the name in your link; can you give the year he pledged so I can narrow the search. Another frat, Robotam, provided a link for prominent Beta member, http://www.aphiabeta.com/prominent.html and this name is not listed. Once I see his name listed on a website I will speedily add his name to the list.--Ccson 03:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorority/Frat Songs

Hi, Ccson. I am worried about the inclusion of Sorority/Frat songs, since the specific organizations have rules which prohibit songs from being in the public eye. I am trying to begin a list AKA list like you have done, and I would like to know your thoughts. Miranda 05:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of specific policy regarding songs/poems being in the public. The Alpha fraternity song is routinely sung publicly. They may have have a problem with it being printed, but even this seems odd since the words are sung publicly. Skip Mason, in one of his historical moments contrasts the similarities between different BGLO frats, and he could only do this if he knew the words to the other groups and I don't believe he obtaned the words through a covert act. The "House of Alpha" poem I used is in the publicly available history book, plus it's listed on many web sites, and pledges learn these poems and not all pledges become members, so I don't think they are regarded as fraternal secrets just for intiated members.

Regarding your list, it's a good start. I would not place the civil rights categories under the Politics main cat. Many civil rights leaders have made the leap to politics, but there are many who simply remained activists. You should review the comments I received when the APA list was nominated and see what problems were encountered so you can avoid them in your list.--Ccson 05:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I am about to put a poem on the scratch page, just like you did. I have also corrected the Civil Rights portion of the list. Thanks. Miranda 23:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal

You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. Right now debate seems to be among support for the current selective democratic/consensus based proposal, a selective dictatorial approach like that used at WP:TFA or a non-selective first in line/calendar approach like that used at WP:POTD. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

re: LeRoi Jones...

Hey Frat,

Bro. Ross again. I decided to go to Amazon and search inside Amiri Baraka's autobio and see what I could find. As it turns out, he does talk about being a Sphinxman, but ultimately not being initiated into Alpha. His perspective on pledging is both humorous, a lot sad and pretty modern, by the way, considering the experience he details at Howard. So nice catch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.242.242.162 (talk) 09:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

many are called. . .--Ccson 04:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Skip Mason

Hi Justin, I saw your question at the Alpha Phi Alpha Talk page regarding Skip Mason. Mason is not the Fraternity's Historian; he is instead College Archivist for Morehouse College and Alpha Phi Alpha's Chairman of the National Historical Commission. He is also author of Talented Tenth: The Founders and Presidents of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity.[6] hope that answers your question re: reliability.-RoBoTam^ice 16:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Additional proof of Mason's reliability is that he was the curator of the fraternity's Centennial Exhibit during the 100th anniversary convention[7] and a current candidate to become the 33rd General President of Alpha Phi Alpha in 2008[8].

Honorary Members

For the APA list, did you list all of the honorary members or just some. I am having trouble finding information on some AKA honorary members. Cheers. Miranda 03:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I listed notable members and all honorary members are not notable.--Ccson 03:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, if it is okay, for the Pledge Chapter to be changed to Initiation Chapter? I noticed that some NPHC/NPC/etc. have a policy against pledging. Thanks. Miranda 05:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done--Ccson 13:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Linking articles

I started working on a Navigation Box to link articles related to the Fraternity. You can preview it on my user space Alpha Phi Alph articles. Please take a look and provide suggestions/comments on the discussion page. Absolon S. Kent 16:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Feedback

I don't know if we need the first sentence which states "this article is a series. . ." because this really isn't an article.

Add these to Associations

• Head Start
• Boy Scouts of America
• Big Brothers Big Sisters of America

You may just want to provide a link for General Presidents to this template, Template:Alpha Phi Alpha General Presidents

See also Template:Alpha Men First Accomplishments

I would would keep the section "other related articles" but I would create a seperate section entitled Prominent Members (or something similar). The related articles should be where Alpha Phi Alpha appears such as Jena Six, Cathy Cox, etc. You might also consider adding some of the topics the World Policy Council has written reports about, namely Extraordinary rendition, AIDS, Millennium Challenge Account, Israeli-Palestinian conflict, et. al.--Ccson 14:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggested changes have been added to the draft

Your suggested changes have been added.

The intent of the template is to place it on specific Alpha articles (Alpha Phi Alpha, List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, Jewel's pages, etc.) to create an easy accessable web.

My only concern about the Prominent Members section is that it may become very long if we try to include each individual Alpha man's page (much like the African American topics template. If we keep it general (List of Brothers, Alpha Firsts, etc) it should remain compact and okay.

I definately welcome additional comments or criticism about the template.Absolon S. Kent 16:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to include individual members and I wanted you to use the presidents template instead of the list of 32 names you have listed. I have updated the draft for what i envisioned. Instead of making this an article, I also think you should consider making this a template that can be imbedded into articles.--Ccson 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Finished (for now)

I moved the finalized template. The code is {{Alpha Phi Alpha articles}}. I guess we can start to add it to relevant articles. Absolon S. Kent 13:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added the template to Alpha Phi Alpha, List of APA brothers, MLK Memorial and Henry Callis pages for now. Update others articles when you have the time. I don't think it should be on other templates or the articles listed in "topics of interest". Great idea and effort!!--Ccson 01:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal

You either voted on the original list of the day proposal or the revised version. A more modest experimental proposal is now at issue at WP:LOTDP. Feel free to voice your opinion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 19:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Skee-Phi

Hey Bro! I'm new to Wikipedia just wanted to introduce myself, you can see my userpage for more info. I've made a couple of edits on the Alpha Kappa Alpha page as well as been in a discussion about other subjects concerning the sorority see [9]. I want to say great job on the Alpha Phi Alpha page, very informative without being overwhelming and too much information. I attended the Centennial Celebration in DC and had a blast. Didn't know Lionel Richie was a Bro? It was awesome to see that Thelma from Good Times BerNadette Stanis is married to an Alpha. Skee-PhiKnicksfan4ever 04:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Welcome, and Happy Hoidays!--Ccson (talk) 14:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You tooKnicksfan4ever (talk) 15:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetizing

Per Manual of Style, it's First (Maiden name) then last name. Maiden name goes before last name. i.e. Mrs. Tommie Lynn Dais goes after Ashley Jackson. Thanks. Miranda 22:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Notable members of Alpha Phi Alpha

Hi, we have conversated before about the page for notable Alpha brothers. I would like to make more contributions, but am having some trouble with the page. I would like to add the following althletes: Bobby Bell (Mu chapter) NFL Hall of Famer, Sandy Stephens (Mu chapter) (NFL player and First Black All American quarterback ), Bill Munsey (Mu chapter) NFL player, Kenny Washington (Alpha Delta) (First black player in the NFL), and Woody Strode (Alpha Delta) (second Black player in the NFL). I have more, but I thought those would be enough for now. All of those brothers are "notable" and significant to their fields. I also have references, however I do not have an online reference for Kenny Washington and Woody Strode. Information about Washington and Strode was found in the Sphinx magazine. Information can be found about brothers Bell, Stephens, and Munsey on the Mu chapter website. Bell, Stephens, and Munsey were all initiated into the fraternity the same year as NFL hall of famer Carl Eller in the Spring of 1961. http://www.geocities.com/muchapter1912/linehistory.html Maybe you could help?

Thanks, Bro. Jackson

Playboymixx06 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey just wanted to let you know I added Isiah Leggett to the list of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. Definitely a frat to be proud of. Skee-Phi Knicksfan4ever 19:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, however; in the future we should only include persons who have national/international notability, maybe state/local persons like kwame kilpatrick who while a mayor has garnered national attention. just may opinion.--Ccson (talk) 19:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying, Ike has definitely garnered national attention with Montgomery County, MD being one of the richest counties in America and with him being the only African-American official ever elected to office. He's also garnering national attention with his stance on day-laborers.Knicksfan4ever 19:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

thanks for helping to improve the article.--Ccson (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Great article. Would love to hear you opinion on sweetheart organizations. I addressed it here [10] Knicksfan4ever 19:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your work!

Dear Ccson,

Thank you for your participation in making List of Alpha Kappa Alpha sisters a featured list. This is the first featured list of a sorority on Wikipedia! Congrats!

Best, Miranda 04:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)