Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers

List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 11 days, 5 support, 0 oppose. Other comments. Promote. Geraldk 14:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list of members which contanis notable members of a Greek-letter Fraternity that has gone through peer review and should meet the FL criteria. Thanks for any feedback and of course, Support.--Ccson 15:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support A very well-written and NPOV list, full of famous and notable people. It is often hard(er) to write a list so well, and I like the fact that it is highly-organized, as well as directly to the point. Jmlk 1 7 18:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for reviewing the article and your support.

~~Oppose~~ ~~Remove copyrighted images.~~--Crzy cheetah 22:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First, thank you for reviewing the article and I will be quick to make your requested changes. I obtained the images from the main article for each listed member, but if you can be more specific of which images you find objectionable; I will remove them? Thank you again.--Ccson 02:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I checked half of the list and found five of them, there may be more. --Crzy cheetah 04:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Which five copyrighted images did you find?--Ccson 04:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I hid them, click here.--Crzy cheetah 04:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you in support now?--Ccson 07:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, as I said I just checked half of the list. There may be more. --Crzy cheetah 08:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but, if you're not going to verify the copyright status of the remaining images, how will you be able to remove your opposition?

That's your job as a nominator to verify the copyright status of the remaining images. I randomly picked 3 images, two of them had copyright issues. I suggest you to go one by one and remove all copyrighted images. The copyrighted image is the one that has a copyrighted tag on it.--Crzy cheetah 17:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done--Ccson 22:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I don't see any copyrighted images now. The next problem I have is the overlinking. There's no need to link the people's name under their photos (in captions). They are linked in the list already, so what's the point of linking them again? --Crzy cheetah 02:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done I modeled this list exactly like the List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni which has the names linked on the pictures, so I didn't think it was in violation of the Featured List Criteria. Can you provide a complete list of objections so I can address them at the same time?--Ccson 04:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't about violating the criteria, it was more like following the guidelines. Your last question had me laughing for a minute. It's just that I saw copyrighted images and stopped reviewing the list. Now, there are two things that bother me:

There are many red links or unlinked names. I assume that some members are not linked because they are just not notable enough to have their own articles. If so, I don't agree about that. There is a sentence at the beginning of the list that says, "Here follows a list of notable Alphas." If they are notable, then each of them needs to have an article about him. If they are not notable, then why are they on the list?

Surely you're not suggesting that's someone notability is judged base on an article in Wikipedia. This article can and should stand on it own mertis because I have sourced all notability listed. In fact, there is no reason for a reader to view an article to verify facts in this article. The links are provided when there is a corresponding article, but wikipeda does not require that all names listed in an article have wikilink. I created the list based on who was notable based on their contribution to the category. I will remove the redlinks.--Ccson 22:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough.--Crzy cheetah 02:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no explanation about Pledge chapters. ~~What do they mean? How one gets those Pledge chapters? What is the difference between any two?~~ There are people who don't have any, why not? As you can see there are a lot of questions about this column, so it needs an explanation.

Done I don't know which chapter each person pledged, but that's not what makes them notable, it's an optional field.--Ccson 22:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? Is having a pledge chapter an option one may take? Or you mean that Pledge Chapters column in this list is an optional field?--Crzy cheetah 02:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The latter, Pledge Chapters column in this list is an optional field. sorry for the confusion.--Ccson 13:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to note that the pledge chapters of those members are unknown because it shows that as if they didn't deserve any.--Crzy cheetah 20:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I used the Featured list List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni as a model and it doesn't have anyhing for "Class Year" for students where they haven't yet verified the year.Would you prefer "Unknow", "?" "TBD" (to be determined), or something entirely different from these three suggestions?--Ccson 02:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing was missing in that Georgia list. I'd suggest you add ''unknown'' in all cells that misses thosepledge chapters.--Crzy cheetah 06:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then I wonder why I would make such a statement that could easily be verified? What does your computer display for the following persons: Chucn Sannipoli, Stephen Pace, John Brown, lll, James Ellis, Nicole Jordan and Andy Runton? Thanks--Ccson 14:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

for names such as Josh Taylor, Thomas Okama, or Stan Brakhage where they list Stan as "Never Graduated", but the others who did graduate, but class year is "unkown", is left blank. There are many more, I just stopped checking half way through. I appreciate your suggestion, however; I just want this list to match the standard that has been set by current Featured List. Do you still require ''unknown'' in all cells that missing a pledge chapters?--Ccson 14:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd make the same suggestion to any of those FL's if I saw their nominations. I just dislike blank cells. Blank cells imply that the list is unfinished and requires additional info. If there is a special reason why those cells have to stay blank, than it has to be mentioned somewhere. I assume that you can't find out their pledge chapters, that's why I am suggesting the unknown note. I understand that this is somewhat of a nitpicking on my part, but there may be some people(readers) who could assume that those without pledge chapters didn't deserve any and their perception of those members worsens. I think we shouldn't leave anything for the readers to assume. Everything needs to be explained. This list may very well be a standard for future FLCs of this category.--Crzy cheetah 20:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Done Thanks!!

~~I may see some other things that look bad to me, so I may be back with some more objections. This list is only going to improve from this.~~ --Crzy cheetah 06:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support I really believe that this list needs a star, but the article size (113,186 bytes) worries me.--Crzy cheetah 07:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support A very well done list. 2much 21:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Extremely well done list.-RoBoTam^ice 01:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]