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A barnstar for you!

  The Original Barnstar
For your fine contributions to the Rachel Owen page, I'm really sorry for the upset I caused over trivial matters. Theroadislong (talk) 15:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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BLT Living Room Salon

Hey there I'm doing a living room editathon tomorrow 3-7. I thought I'd create a meetup page for it just to keep track of our edits. Maybe if you have time tomorrow or this weekend you could look at whatever pages we create. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/2016_Living_Room_Salon Thanks! --Heathart (talk) 23:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Upright parameter

Hi, BL. The upright= parameter is a scaling parameter. If no scaling multiplier is used, then the default scale is, I believe 70%.

A scaling factor of 1 would keep the image scaled to the thumbnail size set in user Preferences, assuming that the image is equal to or greater in size than the thumbnail size.

Out of the box, on enwiki, our thumbnails are set to 220px

So if you want an image to be 400px wide you would use a scaling factor of 400/220 which would be: upright=1.82

If you use the naked upright= parameter, the image size would be 220px wide times 70%, which would equal 154px

I hope this helps. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:12, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Desmin Borges

Looks like you can delete him from your to-do-list! Desmin Borges (and yes, I've been reading up on you ;) ) (Sacha Kay (talk) 10:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)) P.S. Found a new challenge for once Brandon Jenkins gets to be approved

Hi @Sacha Kay: I think that Desmin Borges page is shamefully brief and could use some TLC, which is why it's on my huge To Do list. It's not always about the fact that someone already has a page, but is more about the fact that the page needs help.
Ah ha! Unfortunately: I have a lot on my plate, and can only do a select number of rescues, usually related to editathons here in NYC -- or people really vocal about their pages on Twitter.
I would encourage you, if you have time, to go through this great Wikipedia tutorial. It was the best thing I did when I started out and has all the nuts and bolts. Will support your future work as an editor by giving you a lot of the information you might need. Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm really happy that you found the time to come to the rescue of Brandon Jenkins. I've learned a lot from what you did. And I hope I can come back here to ask questions from time to time, if needed. (Sacha Kay (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC))
Thank you for the link to the tutorial! I'll most definitely look into it! :) (Sacha Kay (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC))
P.S. HAPPY NEW YEAR! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacha Kay (talkcontribs) 20:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@Sacha Kay: I'm so glad it was helpful. I have followed other people's edits and it has helped me as well.
Please definitely reach out if you need help. I would recommend working on improving existing articles first while you build your skills. You are very enthusiastic but I don't want you to get discouraged. New articles are very difficult!
Happy New Year to you too! -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

AfD Brandon Jenkins

I just wanted to say thank you for your comment on the article for deletion page of Brandon Jenkins. It's nice to see that there are people thinking like you, for I found the whole editing experience more or less hostile, so far. Looking forward to what kind of improvements you can show (and teach) me! (Sacha Kay (talk) 16:46, 29 December 2016 (UTC))

@Sacha Kay: Thanks for the kind comments and notifications. Would it be possible to hold off editing the page while I work on it? I'm getting edit conflicts and am trying to do a major overhaul and improvement on the page, but need a bunch of time to do the scrub? Let me know -- Erika aka 18:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
You've already done such an amazing job on the page!!! Sorry for having caused edit conflicts. I saw you asked for a source/reference and thought to insert it right away, in all my enthusiasm. Never figured it would cause you any problems. I'll stay away from the page. Thank you so, so much for everything you're doing for the article. (Sacha Kay (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC))
@Sacha Kay: Oh no, I don't want to discourage you from editing the page at all. And good for you for updating your user page! #yay -- just give me a couple hours to try and do a scrub and add citations. I want this to be a positive experience where you can channel your obvious -- and WELCOME -- enthusiasm onto Wikipedia. I want to help here, not stop you at all! -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Believe me, all you did was Encourage me. You've reinstalled my faith in humanity here on Wiki. :) You've truly worked magic on the Brandon Jenkins page. I would have >>never<< been able to make it like this. Question: how do I put a picture on his page? Does a picture automatically become "public domain"? Or is it possible to put up a picture here (with permission from Brandon Jenkins) without it becoming public domain? I really don't know how to thank you for all you've done for the article, by the way. (Sacha Kay (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC))

Do you think that the "Sand Spring Line" (from his song Refinery Blues) is the same as this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Springs_Railway ? You really don't stop amazing me, incredible, all the information you found on Brandon Jenkins!(Sacha Kay (talk) 07:45, 30 December 2016 (UTC))

  The Article Rescue Barnstar
Thank you so much for all you've done (for the Brandon Jenkins article) ánd taught me.

You're my hero. Sacha Kay (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy 2017!

  Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Rosiestep! Sending Happy New Year wishes to you! Xo -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 20:17, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Review page?

So the people who were at the living room meetup are slowly completing pages. There should be one on Kambui Olujimi up soon- I'm not sure how to review:monitor it like you do so when you have time would you take a peek at it? Right now it's in the girls sandbox but I just told her to move it over. Thanks! Hope your holidays were wonderful! --Heathart (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Heathart: Hey, if you can send me the link next time I would really appreciate it, will make things go a bit faster on my end.
The review and/or monitoring I do is to fix the citations and build the page from there. Which sounds sort of simple and is inadequate I know. The pages -- because of notability and inherent bias (and I am not saying this is right in any way) -- need to be better than new pages usually need to be. It's completely unfair but that's the truth. Otherwise I think there could be significant backlash to your project and/or wide-spread deletions. Also, I would like to avoid the rescue process after the article goes up as it takes a ton of energy and time and effort that if the page was vetted more closely, could be avoided from the start.
Specifically: There are too many self-focused citations on this page right now, not enough neutral third party citations. The citations are not full citations, either.
Also, please tell folks NOT to paste copyrighted information from websites on pages, even in the sandbox or draft or user space areas. It's better to paste the link and make it a To Do list on the page so they can go through links as they build the page. No copyrighted or info of unclear origin that exists online can be on the encyclopedia, even in these "safe" spaces.
I am also concerned that you are using your entry as an example, as it also needs help and is not fully vetted. I guess I will fix that too.
The page I linked to above is not ready for the main space. It needs a lot of help so I will need to do some major work to get it in submittable shape. Also, I hope no one submits these for review, as they will definitely get deleted. I will do what I can but maybe we should meet or talk on the phone again as a way to empower you and arm you with more info.
I want to help I do but I think you are not getting enough support in all of this terrific work you are doing. I don't want to be patronizing in any way, just want to empower you. As you know I am very impressed with what you are doing and love your low-key, practical, smart approach to things. I want to encourage and enable success here and I fear I haven't provided that support adequately. -- Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 15:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thank you!! i'll try to work on this particular one more and make sure we vett them more before they go live -- Heathart (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for the rant, Heather. That sounds like a good plan. If I get some time I'll try and fix and vett those two entries.... Xo -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Need an extra hand?

Hey BrillLyle! I noticed that you're organizing some NYC events focused on women journos on Wikipedia next month. I'm not in NYC but if you need help doing any on-wiki prep (pulling together lists of articles that could be improved, redlinks, how-tos for new editors, other!) I'd be delighted to pitch in--a lot of the articles I've created fit the bill, I've come across plenty more that could use attention as well, and I'd love to help in whatever way I can to encourage participation and collaboration on these! Let me know, no task too menial! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Innisfree987: Profuse apologies I didn't respond earlier. I just now saw this. Yes, would welcome remote participation 100%. As far as organizing the event and providing how to guidance for editors, the group sponsoring and organizing the event is working offline so not everything is migrated to the page just yet, and I think they are doing a great job. I am going to be doing the training for new editors with the support of the WM NYC-based contingent of WikiFacilitators, so I think the editor onboarding is probably covered. But please definitely be part of this editathon! You are more than welcome! And again, sorry I didn't respond earlier. -- Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 18:36, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Sunday January 15: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference

Sunday January 15: Wikipedia Day NYC 2017
 
 

You are invited to join us at Ace Hotel for Wikipedia Day NYC 2017, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference as part of the project's global 16th birthday festivities. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

With special guests Katherine Maher of the Wikimedia Foundation and Tim Wu of Columbia Law School speaking on our Post-truth panel!

Also featuring an International/Multilingual panel, a Documenting Activism panel, a Multimedia/Tech Panel, a Science panel, an Art panel, and more.

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 7:00 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 14:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Get well soon

be well - miss you. Hannah Silverman (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@Hannah Silverman: Thanks Hannah! Hope you had fun! Xo -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 05:42, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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Question for you!

How do I add discussion in front of the Reference, as you would in a footnote? for example as in this article, reference 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Louis_Duhamel_du_Monceau Thanks! Lregouby (talk) 20:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Lregouby: I'm not 100% sure what you mean with your question. Can you give me more details? -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 04:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi @BrillLyle:! I want to cite a source but say something about that source as well. It looks like it is possible to add text before or after the citation information in other articles (like the one above), but I can't see how. Any suggestions? Lregouby (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Lregouby: I still need more specifics. I think you are trying to add content to the article on Henri-Louis Duhamel du Monceau, and want to add the content with an existing -- or possibly new -- citation/reference? Maybe if you did the self-guided introduction and went through the Tutorials, those would help?
I will try to follow up your edit to the page you edited on Carolyn Wilson Harris and maybe this will illustrate what can be done?
I would like to help but I am unsure what your specific question is, apologies. If you have specific content you want to add, and a specific citation, I could try to walk you through how to add that to a specific page, maybe? We could work on your sandbox and then when it seems clear, add the information to the page itself, maybe? -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 23:49, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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twitter

Regarding this. Policy (WP:NOT) states that we are not writing linkfarms, and that inclusion should be warranted. The guideline (WP:EL that is specifically for external links states that social networking sites are discouraged, ánd that we only include one external link to an official website of a subject. Here, the official website is linking prominently to facebook, twitter, etc. etc. The template instructions for Twitter reads that we should also not include the links if another official website is already linked, especially if that official website is linking to the twitter as well.

I agree that there are exceptions to this, e.g. for subjects who have a prominent official website, but who are very much known for, e.g. their twitter use. I do not see this as such a case.

You also state that twitter is prominent, but so is instagram, facebook, etc. etc. On that account, all of them should be included. Moreover, you state that in a general sense, which would mean that you suggest that we may not have consensus on our inclusion standards (WP:NOT/WP:EL etc.). If the latter is the case, then I suggest that a discussion is started to re-establish a consensus whether we should link to (all) social networking sites of a subject. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Beetstra: Yeah, none of these WP:RULEZ or arguments will convince me this is correct. Especially given Twitter's current usage today. It is a valid and actually very important external link. Especially active accounts like the one I linked to. Twitter is a lot different than Facebook, etc. so that isn't a compelling argument either. So respectfully and vehemently disagree. -- BrillLyle (talk) 09:44, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
That is what I mean, I think you then disagree with the current consensus as written in our inclusion standards. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
@Beetstra: As feedback, I guess I don't find it helpful or the best use of time for you to explain what I mean, when (a) I can clearly do this myself, and (b) I am stating what I am meaning to communicate, i think pretty clearly. What is the solution here, or the benefit of this discussion beyond WP:RULEZ? I disagree. Now what?
The fact is I see the linking of Twitter in Wikidata regularly -- and it appears in many external link pages of highly public figures like the subject of the article in discussion. It is fact that Trump uses Twitter to set government policy and publish information that is taken as primary source material by press and public alike. This is the reality that I don't believe WP:RULEZ takes into account. I believe the current so-called consensus (on Wikipedia, sort of makes me smile, this) does not reflect current usage nor does it reflect a practical approach to common sense inclusion of valuable information for BLPs. I think the use of the Twitter link should of course be judicious, but if the account is notable and active -- and relevant to the BLP -- then it should be included. BrillLyle (talk) 11:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
@Beetstra: And now you've reverted my edit. I thought this was a discussion. I see this as very hostile, not maintaining good faith. Not sure why I should continue this discussion with you. This seems pointless. I'm very unhappy, and again as feedback, think maybe you might want to re-evaluate both the discussion and the actions you are taking here. BrillLyle (talk) 11:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
BrillLyle, you state that you don't agree with the rules, that is fine. However, that is how our consensus works. You can also invoke WP:IAR, but for that you do need good reason. If we, on every article, invoke WP:IAR then that is not ignoring rules anymore, then it means that the rules need to be changed.
I know that it is there on WikiData regularly, and there it should be. WikiData's inclusion standards are different than en.wikipedia's inclusion standards. That it is inclusion standard on WikiData does not mean that the individual wikipedias, or en.wikipedia, have to use the data that is available. That is a local choice. At the moment, we strongly suggest against using this data, see WP:NOT/WP:EL/{{Twitter}} for usage of external links, social networks and twitter specifically.
'It appears on many external link pages of highly public figures' .. that is a Wikipedia:WHATABOUTX argument. It does not belong there either (barring the few exceptions, like Donald Trump (I think the quote was along the lines of 'every fourth Tweet of Donald makes world headlines')).
Your last sentence says it all: "if the account is notable and active -- and relevant to the BLP -- then it should be included. ". If you can show me that the twitter use of Patricia Phelps de Cisneros is a significant part of what she is known for, then yes, it can be included. I do not believe that her Twitter use is significantly different from her Facebook use, her Instagram use,
That re-evaluation has been done a couple of times in the last months, but you are free to re-start that thread. You are also free to see whether the current consensus to exclude social networking still stands. Some people have vehemently opposed my removals, others have strongly agreed with the removals as the inclusion was not in line with policy/guideline/general use in the first place (I have not seen significant discussion to convince the community to include the links). And on the thousands and thousands of removals I have performed, I see minimal resistance (less than 5 reasoned reverts/re-insertion), and regular thanks (including for the specific removal in question).
Regarding discussion - per WP:EL, we are discussing the inclusion, not the removal. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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Featuring special guest presentations on WikiProject La Guardia and Wagner Archives, WikiProject Metropolitan Museum of Art, Wiki Loves the Dominican Republic, and more.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 137 West 14th Street

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 22:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Artsy

  Hello, I'm Smjg. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Artsy have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. — Smjg (talk) 20:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@Smjg: -- This wasn't vandalism on my part. I know I didn't set it up correctly but it seems like Artsy should be a disambiguation page. Because there's no way to link Artsy to the Artsy (website) link -- and there should be, correct? Sorry I don't do disambiguation pages often. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 20:58, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. Thinking about it now, I think the best plan would be to redirect Artsy straight to Artsy (website), since this seems to me what people would usually be looking for when they search for "Artsy".
But more generally:
  • If an article currently redirects somewhere else, you can use {{Redirect}} on the page that it redirects to. In this instance, a suitable one would be {{Redirect|Artsy|the website|Artsy (website)}}.
  • If there's a case to turn a redirect into a disambiguation page, it would be better to rewrite it from scratch as one, rather than to try to add links to the existing redirect page.
Smjg (talk) 21:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
@Smjg: I am not versed in these things at all.... Apologies. Whatever you think is the correct approach I support.... Thanks for understanding this issue. I really appreciate it! -- Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

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March 11: Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon @ MoMA (and beyond!)

Saturday March 11: Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
 
 

Join us at the Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Education and Research Building at the Museum of Modern Art, 4 West 54th Street, on Saturday, March 11, 2017 from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. for an all-day communal updating of Wikipedia entries on subjects related to art and feminism. There will be childcare, snacks, multiple trainings and panel discussions. People of all gender identities and expressions welcomed and encouraged to attend.

This year’s edit-a-thon kicks off at 10:00 a.m. with a conversation about information activism with writer Joanne McNeil and Data & Society Research Institute Fellow Zara Rahman, moderated by Kimberly Drew, the social media manager for the Metropolitan Museum of Art, creator of the Tumblr “Black Contemporary Art,” and the person behind @museummammy on Instagram. Afternoon breakout groups will engage in focused discussions about related issues, including intersectionality and librarianship, power structures in notability guidelines on Wikipedia, and radical archives. --Pharos (talk) 18:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


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hey sandbox

thanks for helping again. i moved Gia M. Hamiltons page live as you saw, but i think i did something wrong? It seems like all my sandbox history went with it and my sandbox is spanking clean with no history. yikes. any clues?--Heathart (talk) 01:09, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

@Heathart: -- Sorry for the delayed response. Hellacious weekend and this week is very busy too. I think what you describe here, this is why I prefer not to use sandboxes, instead prefer to create a subpage on your personal namespace -- something like User:Heathart/Gia M. Hamilton instead. That way the history of that sub page on your namespace can move seamlessly and the history of your sandbox can just be on your sandbox. Sorry, not sure if this is clear. I use my sandbox only to play with information -- I don't use it as a space to build pages for this reason. It's more of why Art+Feminism recommending using the sandbox for this purpose I think is terrible advice. I'm sure others in the Wikipedia community subscribe to using the sandbox this way. But from this practical and functional standpoint -- and the concern you have about losing your page history when you move the page -- that's why. Ping me off Wiki if you want more info, etc. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 10:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
@Heathart: I'm among those who suggest that newbies start an article in sandbox on the theory that moving it with its edit history makes the history conveniently available to strangers. This of course is also the theory that the additional complication for the originator is less important. Naturally we old-timers will choose methods that suit us. Making a new article is rare for me, so the question doesn't arise. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
@Jim.henderson: I use my Sandbox as a testing place but that's probably not its actual purpose so I am definitely limited to this approach. I think maybe the unexpected move of the history was more of the issue than the location of where the work happened. If you don't want the history moved another subpage might be helpful. There's no way to restore the history, right, Jim? -- Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 18:14, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I figure the Sandbox, being the most easily accessed subpage, is to be taught to new editors. The use of other subpages is a more advanced lesson, to be omitted from a one-day session that must cover more vital details. No, I don't know of a way to duplicate an article history. On the other hand, newbies don't have the page mover right, so unless they call for service by us old-timers, they must cut and paste anyway, leaving the history behind. When an article is created by page move, or whatever method, the editor might want to put it on a userpage list of created articles, analogous to my list of created commonscats for ready access. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:36, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
ah, ok @Jim.henderson: @BrillLyle:... understood. So I guess my question is this... I know its bad for newbies to create new pages. But if they're stubborn about it and they attend an all day workshop where I'm by their side and I think they have a good article... they will maybe need to do the sandbox and forego their history... or create a subuser page... but how do they eventually earn that "move" button?? Thanks for the help! Wish me luck this weekend! I've pinged all the wikipedians I can find in the area but not many are available... would love to get more bodies here!--Heathart (talk) 00:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
@Jim.henderson: Ah, I am learning from you Jim! Thank you for this explanation. That makes it make more sense if that makes any sense.... Xo -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 11:42, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
It does my heart good to see that you followed my suggestion and made your list of article originations, @Heathart:. I had forgotten that the Wikipedia:Page mover right is a fairly rare one, with only 120 of us who are not Admins; fewer than have the Wikipedia:Account creator right. There ought to be more; almost any coach should be ready to do it. As for my attending your Saturday session, it depends on how quickly I recover from yesterday's indisposition. I am stronger this evening and hope to reach my usual old-fogie physical and mental powers by then. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
@Jim.henderson: Saturday is in Toronto, so if you feel like joining remotely, I welcome you. Otherwise I'll be back soon. :) --Heathart (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hello!

Blacklunchtable (talk) 14:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry

I am sorry my comment on the deletion discussion for Alice Cling came off as combative. That was not my intent. I have not been banned from nominating articles for deletion. I would encourage you to understand restrictions before making claims on what they are. I am allow to nominate one article for deletion per day, and that does not cover speedy deletions or prod deletions. I really don't want to antagonize people, but I know for a fact that Wikipedia does not have enough editors to keep up 800,000+ articles on living people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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