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Gearless Locker

Help me out on this gearless locker. Is it like a Detroit Locker or True Trac. I saw you deleted the link but I can't find anything else out there on it. If you can help me out with this, it does look like some new tech that needs light on it. --Dana60Cummins (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not a new technology. It seems to be a regular old Detroit locker with some clutches instead of the the normal gears, as far as I can tell. It certainly isn't a helical gear diff (what I think you mean by True Trac). After a bit more research, I'm going to remove the whole section. It is the same as a Detroit locker in function, just different in how it goes about accomplishing that function. Bdc101 (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good. But maybe we should throw something underneath autolockers. I did find a English website for it, talking about "less noice" So maybe this should go right beside the Detroit Locker. BTW how do you think it holds up strength wise? I really do find this dif fascinating --Dana60Cummins (talk) 20:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

And yes I was talking about the Tru Trac.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 20:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

If you want to put a note in the detroit locker section about the gearless version, go for it. A sentence or two would be appropriate, just not a whole section.

I'm not very knowledgeable about off-roading if that's what you're referring to. I just built race cars for a few years in college. Figure that clutch-type limited slip diffs will wear the clutches out over time... this one is probably the same way. But like the clutch LSD, it would be a gradual failure. For track use, it will probably be just as bad as a Detroit locker; extreme understeer on corner exit followed by power oversteer, but maybe with a somewhat more gradual transition. For drag racing it won't matter either way, they'll probably both act the same.

Usually when you find some obscure type of diff that seems to have something going for it, yet is not in widespread use, it's because of one of several reasons: a) nobody knows about it; b) nobody builds it; c) a similar alternative is much more easy to obtain; or d) or it just sucks. Looks like a, b, and c might apply here. Can't comment on d since I have no experience with it. Bdc101 (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Bdc101 and Dana60Cummins Hi,

The KAISER LOCKER is a product that already exists for five years now but was mainly sold in the South American market. It has started being commercialy available in the North American and European market for the last 9 months and users who have fitted it and tested it on their cars are ravving about it. People I know who have fitted it here in Greece and Cyprus are ready to fit it now also on the front axle of their Land Rovers since they are 100% satisfied with the way it worked and operates on their vehicles. It does not create any strange noises (apart from a very occasional small noise when going downwards on a steep downhill and lifting your foot from the accelerator/gas pedal. But even then the noise created has nothing to do with the clonking of the Detroit and does not result in any kind of vibration or shudder on the transmission. The KAISER has nothing to do with the Detroit and this is a misconception that has been stated on a few fora but it does not apply in real life. The only occasion when an actual end user of a KAISER has complained about strange noise is credited to a Land rover owner. His car is fitted with a manual gearbox but we strongly suspect that his center differential is damaged and operates at a permanent locked position, something which is apparent from the symptoms he described. Unfortunately he is unwilling to proceed into testing his center differential so as to establish whether it is on a permanent locked condition.

My post for the KAISER is based on first hand experience with that unit and I will be posting shortly facts and photos after fitting it also to the FRONT axle.

The KAISER is not comparable to any other type of locking differential since the way it operates is completely different from the one that all other "lockers" follow.

pantg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pantg (talk • contribs) 12:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Functionally it is exactly the same as a Detroit locker. It locks both wheels together under power, but allows a wheel to be overdriven faster than the driveshaft is turning it. How it mechanically accomplishes that is not really relevant. It is a different way to do the exact same thing. Personally I think even calling it notable enough to mention is pushing it.

Using Wikipedia for advertising your product will get your edits removed fast. Bdc101 (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I still think it's notable: Lunchbox lockers are like Detroit lockers, and they are noted.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 18:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Lunchbox lockers are notable because they allow you to install the locking diff without removing the carrier. I noticed that there is actually a separate WP page for the lunchbox locker, which I linked to. It is a tiny article and should probably be deleted though.

I noticed there is some other advertising jargon in there that I missed. I'll go ahead and remove it. I've been removing so much advertising spam from mom-and-pop axle & diff shops lately that I've been removing pretty much anything that I see that might be advertising. If you want to mention the Kaiser diff, go ahead, but I'm not going to take the time to. Bdc101 (talk) 21:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd like the user to upload a picture and maybe a brief description. Like you, I have been deleting advertising jargon for a while. If I ad something about the Kaiser dif, I'll throw it your way first. --Dana60Cummins (talk) 12:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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