User talk:Bastun/2022

Ogham

Hi, I have to work now - can you check the article which you just edited. The article originally used AD & BC, not CE. Regards Denisarona (talk) 11:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Will do, but I did have a quick check before editing and there were already 'CE' dates in the version reverted to. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick check - the article was changed from AD to Ce by 216.59.246.110 in September 2021. Regards Denisarona (talk) 21:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Denisarona - busy day for me, too! I'll change them all to AD in a short while. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

You are wrong about WP:ERA. It says "An article's established era style should not be changed without reasons specific to its content; seek consensus on the talk page first (applying Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles by opening a discussion under a heading using the word era, and briefly stating why the style should be changed." It says nothing about the original style. Doug Weller talk 10:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller. Removed the heading as it's directly related to the existing section. The problem here is that the article's era style was changed - partially, and without discussion - in September 2021, and partially changed again a couple of days ago, again without discussion. Yesterday, after Denisarona commented here, I restored everything to BC/AD, which is what was there originally. That would seem to be the correct course of action, no? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, in this case I agree. But if it had been CE for several years, I'd say that was established even if there had been no discussion (at least one pov editor disagrees with me on this) And I did find one that the editor started with one style and before anyone else edited it, changed it. Sorry I missed the earlier section. It's obviously subjective and that's a pain. Doug Weller talk 11:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for clarifying. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

St Brigid

st p's dates aren't exact but his lifetime is contemporary to Brigid's - her mother was baptized by St Patrick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6730:DD50:1C31:937E:BDE2:C0D5 (talk) 12:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

"She was hanging around with the totally historically accurate Saint Patrick and they were BFFs when she was 10? Really? Let's not include that in Wikipedia's voice."

sure - by your own standards that the dates for patrick & brigid are estimates you can estimate either way - 5-10 yrs - either she wasn't even alive yet or she was 15-20 - regardless the records are all w/in a century that her mother was baptized by him so the family was tight, especially being pagan converts, at the least or accurately portrayed by the records - it's fine to doubt the finite portions of historicity but the actual existence of contemporaries? please ... - the accounts for jesus are almost as old & historians have attested his existence - what's the archaeological evidence lawrence was in sinai or gordon in khartoum? none but we know they were there - by your standards they weren't there & aristotle is a myth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6730:DD50:1C31:937E:BDE2:C0D5 (talk) 13:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The fact is that there's much debate about whether there ever was a Saint Brigid, or whether she's a Christianisation of the Celtic goddess, but whatever. Either way, please stop pasting in chunks of copyrighted material, or you'll be blocked. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

FACs and FARs at archive pages

Hi, Bastun. Per your query here, the long answer:

As a recent example, have a look at Talk:Super Mario 64, which is on its third re-promotion as an FA, with four FARs and three FACs.

In the very early days of FAC and FAR, repeat FACs or FARs were rare, and nominations were typically (but not always) placed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidate/Article name, for example. But with no naming convention, all sorts of oddities were occurring. Over the years, as more and more FACs and FARs were second or third ... or seventh ... time nominations, people were making a mess of moves, names, deletions, overwrites, with no naming convention. Gimmetrow and Drpda, who eventually designed Template:Article history for storing all of them, and Maralia and me as well, who helped, were spending huge amounts of time just correcting malformed FAC and FAR nominations. It was often critically messy, because nominators would overwrite an old nomination, not correct the issues already identified, and bring back the FAC.

Gimmetrow figured out to do a pre-load for new FAC and FAR nominations that would look for the last archived FAC or FAR, and place the new one at that number plus one. And then build everything into article history, which he then extended to include PR, GA, OTD, ITN, the works. That was in about 2007, perhaps 2008; what has me worried is that I don't recall ever seeing someone question that in all the years since, but if this FAR has been obscured because it's parked in an archiveX, considering the level of past problems at JKR, that would be a Really Bad Thing. My sense was that everything was working fine. Your thoughts? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, SandyGeorgia! See, this is the thing, I've never been involved in FAR or FAC, that I recall, so it might just be an impression I have? To me, as I said, I'm used to seeing the This is an archive, please don't edit... blurb when I look at talk page articles or the like, and it's counter-intuitive to be doing current work at an archive page. But if you're saying it's been working fine for 14-ish years without any problems, then if it's not broke, don't fix it? I'll live with the "counter-intuitiveness" of it! :-) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Still ... worrisome ... I don't want to have a 95+ editor backlash if there are editors out there in the dark. :( Maybe for our next draft I will make a talk notification with an incredibly vile edit summary laced with profanity and anger so I can end up at ANI and get everyone's attention! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

PS, active peer reviews are also set up from the outset at archiveX files, eg Wikipedia:Peer review/Nonmetal/archive2, so I am hoping the convention is more widely understood than you realize. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah - peer review is another area I've not been involved in, personally. I generally just potter about (no pun intended!) in Mainspace and the talkpages of articles on my watchlist. It is an area I'm going to have to look at for a couple of articles I started and would like to see improvements on, but when I'm less busy. The fact I've found the FAR page, and participated, /archive or not, points to it not being a problem generally, moreso my problem. I really wouldn't worry about it. I'd also avoid the ANI route if possible, digging out 10 year old talk page quotes can be tiresome! :-) Cheers, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:05, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the pun, and good humor, which cheered me a bit ... your query left me quite unnerved and upset, fearing that all our work was for naught/nought, and would be attacked for failure to nofify. Whew, glad I won't have to go incredibly vile and profane :0. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:08, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm really sorry for causing any stress or worry - not my intention at all! I think ye have been doing some great work on the article, and although the remaining section will be the most difficult, you're approaching it in a logical, consistent and balanced way, from what I can see. Keep up the great work! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Bastun; that is the nicest barnstar I have ever received. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:20, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Three reverts on People Before Profit Alliance.

Just posting here for fair-warning:

You have just completed your third revert on this page, the reverts are the following  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People_Before_Profit&type=revision&diff=1084962284&oldid=1084956048, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People_Before_Profit&type=revision&diff=1084915756&oldid=1084909271, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People_Before_Profit&type=revision&diff=1084947339&oldid=1084932136. At no point have you seriously discussed the failings in the sources, and you have now edit-warred your POV into the article with three reverts within 12 hours. Please self-revert, deleting the content for which there is no consensus, or I will report you to ANI edit-warring. I assume this is an oversight on your part, so I will give you 24 hours to self-revert. 

Boynamedsue (talk) 16:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Emigrate vs immigrate

With respect to wording on Death of Savita Halappanavar, the appropriate word in its context is "immigrated", meaning to move to another country. "Emigrate" means to leave for another country, rendering "emigrated to the United States" illogical. The appropriate usage of "emigrate" would be if the phrase was written as "emigrated from Ireland to the United States". Please see the definitions of emigrate and immigrate as provided by Cambridge Dictionary. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 09:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Please re-check the definitions. To immigrate is "to come to live in" a country. To emigrate is to permanently leave one country for another. "...Halappanavar had emigrated to the United States" is correct usage and perfectly clear from the context, and common usage in Ireland (and the article is written in Hiberno-English). I'll alter it to "emigrated from Ireland to the United States" to remove any ambiguity. Cheers, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

European Rugby Champions Cup

Why is this worthy of such an edit summary? The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium was scheduled to host the 2023 Champions Cup final until only a few days ago... – PeeJay 14:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

My bad, PeeJay. I had genuinely missed the announcement that it was going to Tottenham and I actually thought this was vandalism. Five of the nine played and planned EPCR finals being in England, when the tournament has six participating nations (possibly seven from next year) also struck me as mad. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello

This might sound somehow,but I would love to know how to tag someone on a talk page e.g @bastun (and you will receive a message that you were mentioned). Also I would love to know how In a talk page I can add links and citations that can be navigated from talk to source.. thanks so much ! ~ Uricdivine (talk) 20:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Spread your wings

FWIW, do you realise nine of your last ten edits, have been to my talkpage? I don't mind you posting at my talkpage, but there are other pages out there that need attention, too. GoodDay (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Fair point, well made, GoodDay. Sarah777, happy to continue the discussion here or at your page. The whole cancel culture/cancel culture vs free speech thing is really interesting and worth talking about, I agree. My problem with it is I can think of so few examples of people who are supposed to have been "cancelled" who actually have been. Aside from those who've actually been accused of physical/sex abuse or rape, in any case? JK Rowling is still one of the richest authors in the world, with a successful new film franchise. Dave Chapelle has a new special on Netflix, so it insists on telling me. David Quinn rails against being cancelled from his weekly newspaper column. Googling articles for who has been "cancelled" reveals mostly people I've never heard of (admittedly that's on me), and a majority include the words rape, abuse, assault, or all three. Graham Linehan is genuinely the only one I can think of (and in that case I feel for Arthur Matthews) who could be said to be "cancelled" because of their views. If I don't like what Dave Chappelle or JK Rowling write or say, it's my right to stop watching their shows or films or buying their books (admittedly I never bought her books, after the first one!) If a newspaper platforms a load of anti-trans opinion writers "debating" the right of some of my friends to exist, then absolutely, I'll stop buying that newspaper.

But that's always been the way things work - from the time we stopped paying rent to Captain Boycott, through to the local priest reading someone from the altar. I'd regard that, though, as entirely different to a House Un-American Activities Committee or what happens in Russia or China when you express views contrary to the state's official line or criticising a dictator. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm chuffed to learn that I contributed to your elegant signature! Probably agree with you on this more than not. However, "cancel culture" encompasses social media bans as well as attempts to "cancel" people in the entertainment industry. My view is that the backlash against it has made it increasingly counter-productive. But the threat was/is real. As for Russia/China - the threat of career destruction is as bad wherever it happens. Those who end up in a worse position are usually actively campaigning against the Government or members of it - so Chapelle or JK aren't good analogies - Edward Snowden or Julian Assange are much better analogues. I have a suspicion that in terms of many of the "culture war" issues we probably share many opinions - climate denial, mad gun laws, racism. We probably differ on the nature of power - to me the culture war is itself a civil war in the Western Oligarchy and a useful distraction to absorb the energy of potential enemies of the Oligarchy. From 2,000 miles away, the DNC and GOP are simply two slave-owners who disagree about to control the slaves, to over-dramatise it a wee bit. Sarah777 (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

That's the bottom line, right there. The upper class, want the middle class to fight amongst themselves. If persons 'B' & 'C' are at logger heads? Person 'A' can walk away with the money. For example, ever notice how mainstream news concentrates on things that divide us? That's because mainstream news are owned by corporations :) GoodDay (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't disagree - but are we now sinning on Bastun's page as you accused him of sinning on yours?! Sarah777 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(And back from holidays!) GoodDay, I don't know if you've ever seen this essay, but it's worth a read. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Shocked!

Thanks for the Famine "thanks"! I was a bit apprehensive re Arbcom and all that. But the article is riddled with speculation from all sides. I say this as someone who has no doubt it was actually physical and cultural genocide. Sarah777 (talk) 20:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

:-) I'm full of surprises! No, it was a good edit, and I fully agree with you. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Umar Al-Qadri

Umar is not a member of any of the organisations listed, the sole reference you keep reverting points to Trinity Translational Medicine Institute?! Please stop vandalising my accurate edits to support your pet homophobe. RogerCasementStan (talk) 16:12, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, the edit that RCS reverted today was backed up by the archived link; I reverted their edit. —C.Fred (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Cheers! The SPA seems a bit obsessed! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Irish slavery or indenture

Hey, I'm absolutely willing to talk things out with you, but please don't just revert edits I spent hours writing, collecting serious issues about the article. I may have phrased things a bit too harshly, and I am sorry if that was the case. But you have to understand how unbelievably frustrating it is to try and research a topic online and only find opinion pieces by one scientist, and then the Wikipedia page about it is essentially the same. I clicked expecting a pointbypoint of "this exact type of punishment was applied to both the Irish and the Africans, that was only applied to the Irish, this was a right only the Irish had, that was a duty only performed by Africans" Instead I was met with even more "it is wrong to compare the two" opinion pieces. I really really want that article to be less crap, but I have no idea where to even start. I looked up a source that predates the meme and the claims and the sources of the article. IMO this should be enough to prove that there is scientifically legitimate opposition to the POV presented in the article that's being ignored. Thus the POV tag is justified. 2001:4C4C:1EE6:5000:4CF:2147:4BF5:29A1 (talk) 11:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

No, it isn't. The Irish weren't slaves in the Caribbean. It's a myth. The article is about the myth. What you may actually be looking for is another article: Irish indentured servants, perhaps, or Slavery in Ireland. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

User:Mogh Roith

I get the idea that User:Mogh Roith has no clue where is is talking about or that we are in fact talking to User:HarveyCarter... The Banner talk 12:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Not familiar with that particular sock farm, but the MO/passing familiarity with policy is... interesting. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I am very familiar with Harvey Carter socks, and Mogh Roith is nothing like him. Harvey posts one-liners, knows how to indent, is obviously trolling (as opposed to apparently having no clue), and always encloses his signature in brackets. Scolaire (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, fair. The Banner talk 13:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Banner. Re your report that I was "HarveyCarter etc. As you now know that's not true. But thanks for the apology.

Bastun. re policy etc. So far any passing familiarity comes from what I've read on the Wiki site.

Scolaire. Alas new and still learning. Thanks for your help with editing etc. Mogh Roith (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

BMH citation problem

Hi, I tried to put in a citation -Lily Mernin's BMH witness statement- to her article, but it doesn't seem to have worked. I notice that a few others I checked -Cahir Davitt and Ernest Blythe, I think, have their BMH statements at Wayback (archived) and that works. I am at a loss. Any chance you could sort it?Aineireland (talk) 00:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aineireland, that's fixed now - the problem was one of the characters in the website address - was a zero rather than a capital 'O'. 0441, not O441. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:40, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Can't believe I missed that as I have confused them before.Aineireland (talk) 16:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

No problem :-) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Postnominal letters in Ireland.

Have a look here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-nominal_letters_(Ireland) .

A Senior Counsel in Ireland has 'S.C.' after their names. - (2406:E003:A09:6101:150C:8C5E:974F:5045 (talk) 07:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC))

What's your point? This is Wikipedia, not Ireland. We don't put H.Dip after the names of the 30% or so of TDs who are teachers. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Your removal of talk page comments.

Hi, I note you removed talk page comments here: [[1]]. Generally this is not appropriate or approved of, but in this case it seems entirely appropriate. Springnuts (talk) 22:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Graham Lineham

My bad: I was not referring to your comment but to the previous one. I’ve put a clarification correction and apology on the talk page, I hope this is sufficient. Springnuts (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely! Thanks for clarifying! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:11, 27 December 2022 (UTC)