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Fábio

Hello!

The matches for Cruzeiro on oGol from 2005 to 2021, which all have the tournament defined, total to 956 and not 955, do you perhaps know which is the extra one, so we can try to verify if he indeed played one more from other sources?

P.S. Cruzeiropedia has become a bit unreliable, as at the moment it reads 953 matches instead of 955; based on Cruzeiro's article and the matches played after we have 955 as a total, which was also what Cruzeiropedia had back then.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 10:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanks! Yes, I agree; there is a lot of information supporting that he definitely didn't play in that match... by the way, Cruzeiropedia has pre-match info explaining he won't be available for the match, and there is also this video of highlights (no match entire available, but the highlights back up Cruzeiropedia's description).

P.S. I hope we are not missing matches, and I am talking about those 4 oGol has between 1999 and 2000.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Yes, it makes perfectly sense why he couldn't play in that match, no idea why oGol includes him; maybe we could send them all the sources with the lineups, description and highlights video, so they remove him?

By the way, regarding the 2 matches shown now as friendlies in Cruzeiropedia, we will carry on as we were, i.e. with 955 as official; not only because Cruzeiropedia isn't officials, but also because we cannot "succumb" to "whims" (if I can put it this way) of having the status of matches being degraded after years: I don't exclude a couple of matches having being degraded to friendly ones, but were those official ones when they were played? That's what counts. After all, they haven't even given info about which two ones they are referring to...

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 11:28, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Regarding the two matches Cruzeiropedia has added as friendlies, if you see his matches between 2005 and 2021 in oGol, all of them were in Série A, Série B, Mineiro, Brazil Cup, Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana except for two that were played in Primeira Liga in 2016, which is not included in the friendly tournaments in RSSSF, included also as official in SoccerWay, apart from oGol; well, it's a Copa Sul-Minas-Rio "schism" tournament that wasn't played under CBF's seal, which recognized it as friendly (there is relative info in the Portuguese WP article), so I added a relative note. If you disagree, tell me.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Kazuyoshi Miura 1986

Hello!

I have found he did play in the Torneio Início Paulista in 1986 (tournament link in Portuguese WP and in RSSSF); I found at least one more match for Santos there in 1986 (Ponte Preta 1 x 0 Santos on 16 February 1986, link here) and also found online info from a blog that he played for CA Juventus as well there (link here – unreliable WordPress – which is an article about CA Juventus winning that tournament, where he appears as "Kazuo").

So +1 for Santos?

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 15:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Yes, you are right, the matches were played in one day, so they cannot be added, didn't notice before...

P.S. I hadn't noticed it was played with matches of 20 minutes, because it's not listed as friendly in RSSSF, and I had also seen it in official websites (e.g. see CA Juventus here, also on their official facebook account), but apparently it can't be included with 20-minute duration; in addition, I found this (facebook account), which mentions it, but says it's not considered by them (Associação dos Pesquisadores e Historiadores do Santos FC, ASSOPHIS).

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

He is not on that match on ENFA, but I wouldn't exclude having played, as the lineups they show are missing substitutes, i.e. they have 11 only players for both clubs; it would be a miracle if both clubs didn't make any changes.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 06:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Léo Júnior

Hello!

I am informing that I have decided to add to the list with the most official appearances Júnior, based on his profile on oGol. If you have any objections, please tell me.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

I totally agree, in season by season comparison with FlaEstatistica seems exactly like Djalma Santos' case, who played football at a time when friendlies weren't separated from the official matches, but for the standards of the article he shouldn't be added.

Now, first we need to add 33 to the total because FlaEstatistica has 876 for Flamengo and oGol 843, and 4 more for the Olympic team, so 1105 + 37 = 1142 total.

Then, in addition to those 55 friendlies, and without searching extensively online for some tournaments (torneio...) which I couldn't find in the friendly tournaments, I have calculated these friendlies:

20 in 1977 + 3 matches in Torneio Início Carioca (which, if you remember, the matches were played in 10' or 20' at the same day) + 25 in 1978 + 15 in 1979 + 12 in 1980 + 3 in 1981 + 5 in 1982 + 4 in 1983 + 2 in 1984 + 3 in 1989 + 11 in 1990 + 11 in 1991 + 4 in 1992 + 5 in 1993 = 120 friendlies (+3 matches in Torneio Início) + 55 until 1976

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Yasuhito Endō

Hello!

It is based on what the relevant sources have/had.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 09:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ibrahimović, et c.

Hello!

Yes, I am aware of Ibrahimović and the others, as I am also aware that today he is included in Milan's squad, but I wait until someone has 998 matches before being added to the list (hidden until reaching 1,000).

Sources: oGol and Svenskfotboll are good enough to back his numbers in his WP bio article.

RSSSF has two more matches, but without any details, and these could have been in selects.

P.S. Zlatan, as well as Sergio Ramos, could have already been on the list, if they hadn't been prone to receiving match bans.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

Based on WP, Luka Modrić seems to be the closest to reaching 1,000, but I am missing sources for 8 matches he has on WP (WP has 130 for Dinamo Zagreb, but I find only 125 from the known DBs, and WP has 25 for Zrinjski Mostar, while the DBs have 22). If you can find good references for these 8 extra matches, he will be added (hidden) after the next official match he plays.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

FYI, Zlatan Ibrahimović, with 999 official appearances, has been added as hidden to the list. The 1,000th appearance is only a matter of time, most likely in the next match of Sweden.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 10:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Ray Clemence

Hello!

Both matches were for the FA Cup.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:34, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

RSSSF's Thousand Matches

Hello!

How are you? I am informing that I realized RSSSF's Thousand Matches publication (direct link here) got updated after more than 13 years (an unexpected positive surprise) and I see many names missing from WP's list of men's footballers with the most official appearances there, as well as some names, like Neville Southall, I already knew they had more than 1,000 official matches but couldn't find sources to back it up (such a verification is important, even though there is only a total number), however, since all but four players don't have details per team, no changes can be made to WP's list, apart from those 4 players, i.e. Peter Shilton, Raymond Clemence and Patrick Jennings will increase their tally and Stanley Matthews will be added to the list; regarding the rest, no changes can be made until there are such (per team) details added by RSSSF. Do you agree or have any objections to that?

Awaiting your feedback/opinion before proceeding with the changes.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 18:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Yes, I am aware of Pat Jennings needing updates, and, along with the addition of Stanley Matthews, the update is on the to-do list, and will be done in the same manner Peter Shilton and Ray Clemence were updated, when I have enough time.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 15:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Luka Modrić

Hello!

I am searching for good references for the number of Luka Modrić for Dinamo Zagreb and Zrinjski Mostar. Since I could not find ones related to the clubs to justify the numbers, I am looking for a local source at that time from a famous news' outlet with the total both in Croatia and BiH, which could suffice, before looking for cup matches separately.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

First, I would like to say that he has been added to the list.

Now, I wish to also say that I have also found two articles from famous newspapers of Croatia claiming 130 matches (and 33 goals in them, with his WP bio-article, by the way, claiming 32 goals) for his numbers for Dinamo Zagreb, which for me are good enough so his total for D. Zagreb to be changed to 130 matches (with +1 goal, 33 goals in total, based on the sources), and also with the starting year changed to 2000, based on the first reference that also has years (it now has 2001, based on his stats for Croatia U15). 1st ref direct link (scroll down because the stats are at the bottom) and 2nd ref direct link. Do you agree or do you have any objection?

P.S. I: His FootballDatabase profile also has 33 goals, even though it has 121 matches as the total, however also colour noted his national cup data for the four seasons he played for D. Zagred as incomplete, in the according column, having also no data at all in his first two seasons.

P.S. II: Still looking for sources about the 3 more matches WP has for Zrinjski Mostar, but the first article before also has 22 instead of 25 matches (like the known DBs).

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

I am informing I have already made the changes regarding D. Zagreb.

If you have any objection, just tell me...

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

I have also done the same for his numbers for Zrinjski Mostar, because I found good relevant references.

If you have any objection, just tell me...

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Zinho (Crizam César de Oliveira Filho)

Hello!

I will look at it as soon as possible.

Grêmiopédia alone, by the way, does not suffice, as all pedia/paedia/paideia/paedeia are user generated websites, and so another reference backing this total would be needed, or at least some proof for the extra 11 matches it has (oGol has 135), which is very likely to be already on the site, as often in Grêmiopédia there are also match reports, e.g. from a newspaper, et c.

Also, oGol's total of 57 matches for Brazil senior NT not only is not in accordance with what other football DBs have, but also oGol has match reports for only 55 matches, even though their total sums up to 57, so another good ref is needed there as well, ideally a ref coming from CBF claiming 57 matches.

Nonetheless, if the numbers of Fla Estatística and Verdazzo are those you say, then he still, even without 13 matches, would have 1,069 matches, so yes, he can be added.

P.S. I had already responded previously about Pat Jennings (see here).

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Renamed

Hello!

What do you think about this?

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 05:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

1000 or more official appearances

Hello!

Long time no see. How are you? Hope all is fine!

If it's no bother, I would much appreciate your contribution here.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

I am fine too, thanks for asking, also I am pleased to "hear" from you and reading you are fine!

I personally prefer flexibility, i.e. a more generic name, so I like it as it is right now, so disagree with the name change, like I also said here, but everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, so you are, of course, allowed to disagree, but please, if you can, write down your opinion/input/feedback in the talk page of the article, as it may be crucial, since it's a tie, at the moment.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

As I don't have time anymore, as much as I would like to have, I have decided to opt to seize my curation of the list.

If you wish to take over, please do so.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 10:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Pepe Reina

Hello!

Based on his bio WP article, he has 999 official matches. As I don't have spare time currently to check the known football DBs (oGol, FDB, 11v11, BDFutbol, et c.) and sources for his NT numbers, if you can, please cross-check them for verification and, if you wish, add him to the list or just do only the former and I'll add him myself when I have time (it will be much easier once I have confirmed the numbers he has in WP and have the sources available alltogether).

No matter what, thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

Nice! Go ahead and add him to the list then.

My time is limited anymore, I can't keep up updating the list.

Please take over...

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Stanley Matthews, Pat Jennings and Roberto Carlos

Hello!

If you take over the article, I wish to remind that Stanley Matthews needs to be added (RSSSF's source) and Pat Jennings to be updated (same source). Also, noting that both IFFHS and RSSSF have 5 more matches for Roberto Carlos, for whom we had other references claiming 5 more matches.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Xavi

Hello! With the url-status parameter on the ref set to dead, there is no need for a note. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 12:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello

First if you look at one of your sources here eurohockey.com it says the Alpenliga right? If you look here from you also 1994 Six Nations Tournament you will see that the 1994–95 Alpenliga season was (quote) "temporarily merged into" in other words "part of" this tournament that season according to the text ok so YES he did play in the Alpenliga as part of the six nations tournament agree? If he played 1 game also in the Serie A that is ok but then it should be a separate line for this so one line with Alpenliga and one line with the serie A game like they did here eurohockey.com agree?

Hope for reply.

P.S. Did add that one game in Serie A on him is this ok?

Kind regards Bakermannn (talk) 20:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Moving your reply on my talk page to here, because you are supposed to keep the discussion in one place. In addition, I am well aware of my sources. You should realize that "temporarily merged into" is not the same as being on its own. Therefore, he did not play in the Alpenliga, because Bolzano played in a completely new and unrelated division. – sbaio 04:39, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Jamie Cureton

Hello! I am fine, thank you, how about you? Regarding the first issue, the FA Youth XI match should not be included in the count, like it is for other players, but it could be mentioned as an explanatory note. Regarding the second one, RSSSF is of course not infallible, and so they may be missing one match, perhaps he played one in 2023? The last match date they have is 2022 and not 2023. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 00:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Is he still playing or has he retired from playing, because his WP bio article says he is a player-manager while he is not bolded on the list? On another topic, if you ever have spare time, you can consider also adding Scott McGleish and Barry Hayles to the list. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 12:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, a tip, if I may: it is wise to back-up refs once per year, i.e. to update the archived links of still playing players, as obviously only these need updating. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 13:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Billy Meredith

Hello! I wanted to also inform that RSSSF's list was updated in July, and it anymore includes details also on another player, William "Billy" Meredith's numbers; excluding reserves (19+), Welsh trial matches (14) and other selects (7) there are (1078 minus 40) 1038 matches and can be added to the list, what do you think? You can see his 50 international matches on the 11v11 profile. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

1043+ matches actually, because his 5+ matches for Chirk Reserves were for the Welsh Amateur Cup which also includes A teams. Direct link for the details here. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Summing up for RSSSF's list, at the moment the only things left are Stanley Matthews and William Meredith to be added to the list. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 23:57, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! If RSSSF includes them, it means there are FAs that credit them as official. Besides, my thesis is he should be added with relevant notes, as, regardless if those matches were later regarded as unofficial ones, they were official ones when they were played, which is what really counts. And the same stands for Stanley Matthews. Maybe also with a gray background to indicate this. Regarding Meredith, 6 abandoned matches (1 goal) should not be included (so the total is 1,037+), like it is for all the other players who have the abandoned matches removed from WP's list, and there should also be a note about the 2 matches in the Victory tournament, which the English and Welsh FAs do not deem as official, while other FAs involved do, including also the 11v11 (Association of Football Statisticians, AFS, statisticians). The references I would like to add are these, whenever I have time. If you have free time, feel free to add them. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Júnior

. . . -> 178 in total, so 1142 – 178, i.e. 964.

Furthermore, there are also discrepancies even in his numbers for the national team: if you see NFT, it has 69 instead of 74, and 11v11 has 72 including the farewell match of Zico in 1989, which was against the Rest of the World, and you can see in the club stats in 11v11 he additionally played once for the Rest of the World and once for a South America team, so probably the +2 is those matches (which would make the total 74, but we don't include those 3, including Zico's farewell, in the list). By the way, while oGol counts 74 in the total, they also have per tournament 69 in total, and finally, to add to that, all the seasons for Pescara and Torino have "Sem Competição Definida" matches.

So, bottom line, they are friendlies included, and he won't be added to the list.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 11:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Ivan Rakitić

Hello! Yes, I am aware; in my notes-bookmarks, he is the next new player to be added to the list, and I have been following his matches recently, i.e. specifically since the transfer to Al-Shabab, because I knew he was nearing... by the way, I haven't checked the football DBs for confirmation, so there may be more matches than what his WP bio-article claims... In the meantime, I wish to add Paulo da Silva, who seems to already have passed the milestone, but hadn't found time to add him. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello! As he has reached 998 or 999 (based on WP) matches, we could add him as hidden on the list, however I have some querries for which I would like your opinion/input: on first looks, I cannot find a source for the match for FC Nordstern Basel which his WP bio-article career section includes, can you? Also, regarding his total for Schalke, oGol has 136 matches, even though the other known DBs claim a total of 135, including Kicker, which I consider more accurate than oGol when it comes to German clubs' numbers, perhaps you know where this extra match is coming from? If not, then I guess we can assume it is a mistake or a typo. P.S. I: Regarding Nordstern Basel, of course a newspaper article from a reliable source could be good enough as well. P.S. II: I feel like adding that I haven't yet checked, but will soon do, for the totals the official sites of the clubs have, in case they have stats, e.g. like in the case of Schalke. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again! Regarding Nordstern Basel, it was probably this cup match, based on TransferMarkt, but of course TransferMarkt is considered unreliable in the English WP and so cannot be used, and so other source should be found, however I failed to find any other. By the way, judging from this, it is likely he had played in a few, i.e. more than one, matches for Nordstern Basel. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello! In addition, I am missing any source for the cup match for Basel WP has at the 2005–06 season, and it's not only that it's not on any of the known football DBs, but that the WP articles themselves (including those of other language counterparts and not only the English WP) have in their body that he only played in two matches for Basel during that season. Do you have any source for an extra match on that season? Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for the quick response. The point actually was, until now, i.e. some minutes earlier, that I couldn't even find any source, let about a reliable one, that he played for Nordstern Basel, so we couldn't even use a question mark, as we needed a reliable reference mentioning it. However, I found this lately, but I don't know anything about this site, though I didn't find any talk on WP related to it as being unreliable (even though it may be too early for such talks, as it seems like a pretty new website) and I found many football articles on WP that it has been used. For all I know, they could have well copied their numbers there from WP, but I guess we could use that as a reference for the time being. In addition, it serves also for Basel's A team numbers so to have 50 in the total as at the moment it's 49. What do you say? P.S. Including 1 match for Nordstern Basel and 50 for Basel's main team, the total is 1,000 matches. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 15:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Paulo da Silva

Hello! Do you perhaps know how many official appearances does Paulo da Silva have? The Spanish article (link here) includes him with 1005 matches, but the known DBs, e.g. oGol, still show him far from the threshold. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 17:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Do you know any source for his matches for Club 12 de Junio? He probably played there 8 times (Italian WP), but I couldn't find a source with a number, only that he played for the club and later went to Atlántida, which is the club he started football, i.e. for his last season for real this time as a player before retiring. For the latter I have this, which has references in AFA's site with lineups (one can count 8 matches till now, as the league is still ongoing), but for Club 12 de Junio for Primera División B Nacional 2023 (Paraguay) I couldn't find any source (WP has only results). P.S. I. Nonetheless, even without those 8 matches, he has passed 1,000 official matches and will be added as soon as possible to the list. P.S. II. Maybe you should consider archiving in the talk section, because at the moment it is not navigable. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Well, some brief, hoping you can help; apart from his numbers for 12 de junio, I am also missing lineups for two matches for Toluca; the one on 9 January 2004 (Chivas Guadalajara 1–2 Toluca) and the one on 11 January 2004 (Toluca 1–2 Santos Laguna) for the InterLiga 2004 group stage, where he most likely played, taken into account he played on the first of the three matches Toluca played there that year/season (while I have found a reference for that one only and also for all the matches he played in the next InterLiga editions, I couldn't find any for those two matches). By the way, there is an archived link of the site of the tournament, but, unfortunately, without archived links for the lineups (direct link here). Tell me if you know or can find a reliable source for lineups for these matches... I also found nothing about his numbers for Presidente Hayes, Sport Colombia and Perugia; while it's likely he never made an official appearance for Perugia or played only in the youth sector, even though WP claims at least 2 league matches in the infobox, I am pretty sure he has matches for Presidente Hayes and/or Sport Colombia, even though I am not positive I will find any references because Paraguay has a small population (well, compared to other South American countries) and it's football is not known (well, like Brazil's, Argentina's, Colombia's or Uruguay's). P.S. Talking of football from Paraguay, I have also in mind to check in the future Roque Santa Cruz and Óscar Cardozo, who both may also have reached, or nearing there, a thousand of official matches. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 08:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I have added Paulo da Silva to the list with the majority of his number of matches found (matches for Presidente Hayes and Sport Colombia only missing), but, noticing he doesn't have a career statistics' tables on his WP bio-article, both club and international lacking from the article, and having noticed you often complete the career statistics, if you could create such tables, it would be really helpful. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 00:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Edin Džeko

Hello! Yes, I know he is close, as I very recently made a check of players who are near to the milestone (in fact, I checked the numbers of players who have near 960 matches and above, i.e. from Jesús Navas), but there is some time before following his matches. In fact, after Ivan Rakitić, who could have reached 1,000 matches easily by now if he hadn't been injured, I think the next one to reach first 1,000 matches, before Edin Džeko, would be Robert Lewandowski, taken into he has more upcoming matches than the rest players who are close (Poland will play at the finals of the Euro, BiH no). Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 09:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello!

How are you? Hope everything is ok!

First, I must say I am going to add Edin Džeko to the list of men's footballers with the most official appearances as I have him with a total of 1,000 matches at present or even 1,001, depending on one extra match in WP I am missing a source for.

That said, Edin Džeko has 5 matches (1 goal) for Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH) U21 in his bio-article in WP, i.e. in the infobox, but I could only find he had played in 4 matches (1 goal), e.g. from WF and BeSoccer. Do you, perhaps, know, or can you find, any reliable reference that he has played 5 matches for BiH U21 instead of 4?

P.S. Just noting that if there was an additional match he played for BiH U21, it's very likely this had been against the senior team, as it appears there is a friendly charity match taken place between these two (see here), which would still be legit, i.e. count as official friendly for the U21 team, even though it's unofficial for the senior team.

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello again!

This extra match online appeared only in one known relative media oulet (Klix.ba – fourth most visited) and chronically only after if was made as an edit by a removed only IP address user (see here and here), while in others it's mentioned as four matches played, even in recent ones, e.g. see here, so I decided to revert it.

Obviously, one can make it again 5 if (s)he can find a legit ref to justify 5 matches for BiH U21.

By the way, there are also bibliography sources which people cannot view, but there is none such on the article, so that this total could be coming from there, just saying...

Of course, in case you have any objections to being reverted, please feel free to tell me why...

Kind regards,

Lorry Gundersen (talk) 18:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Apparently, it's Edin Džeko v2 – it seems he actually has 999 matches or even fewer at present, as I hadn't noticed before, but I am missing references at the moment, and I hope it's only for the time being, i.e. there are still places on the web to look, for the national cup matches (well, meaning for the numbers he has in his WP bio-article) for Željezničar, specifically 6 matches (1 goal) and for Ústí nad Labem, i.e. 4 matches (2 goals), because I had the wrong impression the known DBs had them, my bad, and it's 999 instead of 1,000 because Teplice, for which I found national cup matches stats, has totals 47 (16 goals) instead of the 48 (17 goals) his WP article has on the clubs' career table, with the difference being 2 matches (0 goals) instead of 3 matches (1 goal) in national cups; refs: [1], [2] and [3]. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 21:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)