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Careful edits to your User page

A few of us gnomes go around fixing pages with Special:LintErrors, and your user page popped up on my radar as a page with many errors that were causing the page to be displayed in ways that changed when Tidy went away. I have boldly and carefully made some changes to your page in order to restore it to what it likely looked like before Tidy's departure. If I have made any errors, I apologize. I'm happy to fix any mistakes that I have made; just let me know what doesn't look right. (There are still some low-priority errors remaining; a bot will probably come by someday to fix those, if the community deems it necessary.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:27, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Jonesey95 - thank you for all the work you do gnoming. I thought I cleaned the lint trap several months ago to prevent moisture build-up and eventual paint peel - guess not. I am rather dependent on Tidy so whatever accommodates a better display of my page's cleanliness, please feel free to gnome away...although don't be concerned about any of the dirty language you may happen upon. I have a healthy variety of (talk page watcher)s / ^{( Buttinsky)s}, some of whom are rather rowdy and unpredictable...ah, but variety is the spice of life. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 17:42, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Lint knitted into sweaters.

Thanks for tolerating me. And don't worry about the salty bits; they make my day a lot more fun than the edit wars and clue-impaired folks that infect some of my other gnome hangouts. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I think quite a bit of this comes out of what turned out to be a mess that emerged in one of my talk page archives. There was enough lint to knit a sweater, and I think a lot of it was thanks to Atsme (and to Thunder Britches, whose return I hope is imminent). Jonesey95 was kind enough to fix it for me, and I'm guessing your messages showed up. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

^{(clears throat)} Tryp - about my lint...according to the wikilinked thread, my sig has been fixed, but when that thread began there were "8,809,398 lint errors of type Obsolete HTML tags, most of those <font> tags. My sig represents only a few parts per million, which is a tiny part of a much bigger problem. In other words, you've probably got more lint in your navel than what I've left behind in threads on your TP. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 01:40, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, did you say something to me? I was distracted by the rotor blades. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Day-em rotor blades...they'll do it everytime. So...speaking of rotor blades...here's one for you, Tryp:

A blonde woman was taking helicopter lessons. The instructor said: "I'll radio you every 1,000 feet to see how you're doing."

The instructor radioed her at 1,000 ft. and said she was doing great. Told her she was still doing well at 2,000 ft.

Just before 3,000 feet, the propeller stopped, and she twirled to the ground. The instructor ran to her and pulled her out of the wreckage. He asked, "What went wrong?"
She said: "At 2,500 feet, I was getting cold so I turned the big fan off." ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 22:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Sorry I can't find the beautiful "You've got mail!" thingy. Just to let you know I e-mailed you. Feel free to revert/delete this edit.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:36, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Zig - it's all good! I am a monitor lizard...^{Hell no, it has nothing to do with David Icke!} I will monitor my emails when the volunteer work day begins tomorrow...or the next day...or two. I will do my best to not disappoint. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 23:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

WOOF, WOOF, WOOF

Atsme, how are those little puppies doing? You know, I did that once too. Both a lot of fun and a nightmare at the same time.

Golden retriever with her litter of 13 goldendoodle puppies

Gandydancer (talk) 05:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Wow! 13 puppies and you survived! My daughter's litter is down by 2 and the survivors are getting big fast, Gandydancer. She, not I, is the one who was blessed/cursed with that litter. I'm a former breeder of Rottweilers - retired from breeding/raising/training-exhibiting when there was no one left but me to clean the dog runs. As you already know, being a breeder-kennel owner is a lot of work that requires child labor. My oldest daughter (who had excellent training in kennel cleaning/training as a child) ventured into raising/breeding/exhibiting American Bulldogs and French Bulldogs, and has done well. She had one litter of 13 bullies a while back but I was never blessed/cursed with such a huge litter. I'm just an humble spectator. I can only imagine what it must be like to be strapped with the responsibility. Crissy's holiday litter of 12 is now down to 10 puppies; 1 died at birth, and another had ichthyosis and had to be put down. I see where some of our dog articles need some work so as soon as I can pry myself away from The Adventures of Merlin marathon on Netflix, I'll get busy. I also have an image of a premature red bag foal that I've been meaning to upload. Oh, and I raised/owned/sold a few pot bellied pigs, one of whom (my Miss Piggy) was in a B-movie that aired on Bravo (Flowers on a MooMoo), and another I gave to Leslie Merrill (she hosted/did voice overs for me) was flown to New York to appear on David Letterman's stupid pet tricks. As it turned out, the night she was scheduled, Letterman hosted Sting and Samuel L. Jackson, and the show ran overtime, so all Leslie came away with was a year's supply of Coors Lite, and some photographs of Layla with the 2 celebs. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 14:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Atsme!

Just dropping by to apologise for not getting back to your holiday greetings. To be honest I just went off -line just before Christmas. I feel really bad for not getting back to you, but I was in the badlands emotionally. Son of a bitch. I do hope you and yours are well and kicking arse where it's required! Forgive me babe? Respect and love. Si.Simon Adler (talk) 05:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Simon Adler!! What a pleasant surprise. Of course you're forgiven, even though you've done nothing that requires forgiveness. I was wondering what happened to you and thought maybe you were just taking some time off for the holidays. I'm sorry to hear you were down in the dumps. What can I and your other Wikifriends do to (1) make you feel better, and (2) prevent potential badlands trips in the future? 😘 ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 06:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Would you try and write a more proper lead for Mordred based on the current version of the article?

It might also help me out in seeing is the article really giving a proper impression about various aspects, does it get them a proper due or maybe forgetting something important, etc. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:18, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Good thoughts, SNAAAAKE!! I will attempt to perform my layperson duties tomorrow when I'm assured of a fresh start. For the moment, Happy Hour is upon us. Me thinks it is better to wait until the potion wears off. ^{Your ears must have been ringing. Atsme✍🏻📧} 23:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I just thought it should probably answer the frequently asked questions according to Google. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 22:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

It's done, thanks. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Good job, SNAAAAKE!!! I love the way you articulated my prose and added what was necessary to make it flow. You never cease to amaze me. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 02:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Just wrote a brand new Guiomar (Arthurian legend) if you'd like to review (maybe copyedit also). --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 01:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Kewl - I'm looking forward to reading it tomorrow - great way to start my day. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 02:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

The story in the Merlin version goes like that: https://i.imgur.com/zxSoYEM.png SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Would you perhaps look into Tristan and Iseult in free time? There's no hurry whatsoever about it. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 07:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Circe#Circe in the arts

Would be cool if you asked around for someone to fix these articles. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 18:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ben Shapiro

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPhoneography

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Is it possible to arrange for someone to fix Circe?

As tagged through the article. I don't even want to start myself for real because then I'm not going to ever end, again. I see it as "Sources" changed into a section about the classical legend and the rest rewritten. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok, let me do some focused reading first. I've got a Friday night b-day celebration to attend (not mine), so maybe over the weekend. ^Atsme 📣 📧17:44, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Pooh

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

For tagging Pooh for deletion instead of reverting the vandalism. Surely Pooh is world famous in Texas? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Considering the same IP has reverted 5 or 6 redirects of Pooh, wouldn't it be better to delete the page? At least it will make it a bit harder for the IP to restore the page. ^Atsme 📣 📧 13:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

What a strange idea. We admins have other ways of dealing with IP address vandalism. Indeed, I should have noticed that it was persistent vandalism and acted the first time I dealt with the page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:12, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

 Self-whale... for when a trout just isn't enough - actually, RHaworth, I was responding to your redirect on your TP while you were here whacking me. 😂 Boy, do we have pooh in Texas - it explains why we wear high-top boots. ^Atsme 📣 📧 13:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

New article

juice. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Neat! Except it would be great if the "History" section were expanded to cover more than just "United States History"; unless you have some evidence that people in other countries don't drink it very much? --GRuban (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

GRuban: Thanks, and feel free to expand the article. My work is just the start, based upon basic net searches for sources. The topic has actually received a fair amount of coverage, so the article is definitely expandable. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

I am a hopeless cherryholic, Na1000. I'm also a champion at retrieving a Maraschino cherry from a glass of Amor de Cosmos and tying the stem in a knot with my tongue. ^Atsme 📣 📧 01:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC) ^{Note: Never knew there was a Samuel Smith Old Brewery's cherry beer or a Battle of Charro II Imperial Brett IPA with cherry juice! Good article, Na1000! 01:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)}

Hey, thanks. Don't have many to collaborate with in recent times, so I've notified a few folks in hopes to encourage others to edit/improve/expand. However, it's just an invitation. Tying the cherry stem in the mouth is extremely difficult. I wonder if there's an article for that? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Didn't find an article, but I did link to a video that shows how. :b ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Kriek lambic for true lovers of cherries! 8^D
   — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Y Tick (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Tried finding a better image for the juice article earlier on Flickr, but not finding anything usable that is congruent with Commons' policies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Na1000, I just ordered some Montmorency Cherry juice, and it's scheduled to arrive on Tuesday. I'll try to get some good pictures for the article. BH - I just Googled Kriek lambic and the closest store to me that sells it is 30 miles away. I'll be calling them on Monday to make sure they have it in stock before I hit the road. Ahhhh...life's little pleasures. ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:29, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Nice. I didn't know about the potential health benefits of the juice until today, when researching. The article was previously a redirect to the cherry article, which had zero content about cherry juice. Yes, this is something that I will keep in mind. I've long been a believer in the power of nature to heal. Hey, send some of that beer this way when you get it! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Na1000, see this review. ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:53, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

If you are going that far, I'd suggest getting some Peche (peach lambic, and we don't have an article for it - I'm surprised) and Framboise...those are also superb. If you don't like them, Atsme then you can trout me. :) All are five stars.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I knew about the potential health benefits of beer before today, though... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:50, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

BH, will do! In fact, I'll create a "Cherry beer review" section on my TP before I start tasting the goods, then I'll add a disclaimer with some "before" picts, and if I'm able, I'll add a few "after" picts. ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Peche is just a little more subtle than kriek so it should precede when it comes to tasting. Kriek before peche is like an IPA before a brown ale.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Before and after North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, Berean Hunter, GRuban - the Montmorency cherry juice arrived, and I made my first beverage today for happy hour. By itself, the juice is a bit sour, so here's what I did to "sweeten" it to my taste: 1⁄2 glass of cherry juice, 1⁄4 glass 7-Up (or Tonic water), and a double jigger of Apple Jim Beam (or Apple Crown) (make the glass as big as you can handle). Vanilla vodka would work, or if you're into a more fruity taste, raspberry vodka. Tomorrow I'll be picking up the Lindeman's Framboise and Lindeman's Kriek. No Peche or Samuel Smith Organic Cherry Ale to be found in this state. Can't ship beer into Texas. I'll try to get some pictures before the tasting begins. ^Atsme 📣 📧 03:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

The long and short of it.

Montmorency Cherry juice

Is that Montmorency cherry juice a concentrate? Most that I'm seeing online is. I noticed this recommended mixdown. (...jots down note to pick up Apple Beam.) I suspect that Rumple minze & 7up (what I know as a Certs shot) could be mixed with cherry juice. The juice would probably be nice in a variation to a classic Alabama slammer, too. The cherry lollipop is excellent.

Lindeman's is an excellent pick. This well done video and this one may help lend appreciation to the treats that you have in store. Somehow, I set out today to get kriek and peche and instead came back with four different types of Sierra Nevada. I'm hoping to get into the coffee stout later.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 19:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Re: "I'll try to get some pictures before the tasting begins..." The cherry juice article would certainly benefit from the addition of a better image than what's presently there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

NA1000 - today I bought 4 wine glasses with stems shaped like the Eiffel Tower but if that doesn't work, I have plenty of other glasses. BH - the Montmorency tart cherry juice I have is fresh pressed and pasteurized, brand is Indian Summer. I tried it with the Club Soda tonight but I like it with 7-Up better. At Total Wine & More, they had a tester set-up with samples of Samuel Adams Blonde mixed with Apple Crown. Surprisingly tasty. Apple Crown is much smoother than Apple Jim Beam but it tends to sneak up on you much faster. 😊 Tomorrow will be a busy shoot shot day for me. ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like you've been catching a buzz. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Northamerica1000 - I just uploaded 2 images that may or may not be suitable for Cherry juice. ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 00:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

All right, and thanks! Great images, and I have added both to the article. Nice presentation with the cherries and strawberries too! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

BH, thank you for your recommendations. I conducted a taste-test of the Peche served in champagne glasses to Sunday guests. Outstanding, and not at all what any of us expected. Reminded me a bit of a Bellini cocktail. Haven't yet tested the Framboise and Kriek lambic but looking forward to it. I've heard nothing but rave reviews. ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 13:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad that you found the peche after all and that you and your guests enjoyed it. I have found that these three particular lambics make for good small gifts at Christmas, too. The only problem that I've ever had with them is that they tend to disappear too quickly, leaving you wanting more. You may also like it without the fruit as it still has a distinctive flavor and you can occasionally find it sold near the others as gueuze.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Na1000, BH, beer drinkers come in all shapes and sizes. ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 22:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I'd have never believed it until I saw it. No way. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

--Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Just saw this, Tryptofish - sure have missed your presence. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 09:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Review

This is under deep reconstruction but for your viewing pleasure...I'd prefer a read over rather any edits in the sandbox as I look a it everyday and an currently at a series of roadblocks. Here is the disaster. Maybe this will get you away from other entanglements.--MONGO (talk) 14:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Yep - it's a rainy day here. I've been trying to get some issues with Circe and Circe in the arts tucked away, need to work on some NPP/AfC stuff and got sidetracked by a disruptive ever-changing IP user who is now harassing me. I can use at least one more distraction on this rainy day in Texas. ^Atsme 📣 📧 15:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Atsme. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 15:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

BilCat (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

New article

juice. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The making of a pass.

Nope - no way I'm buying prune beer. ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 23:11, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually, it has been done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I have the perfect image for the article - see the top of my page - "Archives for it will soon pass." ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 23:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you making a pass at me? Ha. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

A guest pass for Ats

That's all right, I've been passed-on before. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Could've been worse, as in spelled with an "i".^Atsme👩‍💻 📧 14:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

^^^Oh, duh...the "i" was your obvious intent.02:36, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Getting a bit tired, I'll pass out eventually. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I can't top that one, so I'll pass. ^Atsme 👩‍💻 📧 14:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

You're living in the past...ha. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll just say in passing that if you venture into past, present and future tenses of pass, our punderful little adventure may continue infinitely; thereby, requiring a rather in-tense focus, possibly even drifting into a different word, tense...not that there's anything wrong with that...^{Caution: double entendres Atsme} 👩‍💻 📧 18:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Thought you'd appreciate this

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

Sharp kid that Taibbi. I wonder if the WMF will offer free counseling for the Russiagaters, thousands of editing hours wasted. Devastating. 188.129.143.42 (talk) 08:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't know him, but wmd is not considered a RS by any means, especially by WP:PAGs which I respect. I get the point you came to make, and I do feel somewhat vindicated as it relates to my position of "exercising caution" regarding WP:NEWSORG, WP:RECENTISM, biased media, pundits and opinion vs fact. Knowing journalism/media as I do, and having gone up against 2 of the big 3 networks in RL, I know full well that despite the information we have now and that which will be revealed in the near future - information that will likely stir the very souls of the American people - it is far from being over. We still have to endure the media's "save face" position that will surely lead the way into next year's elections. There will always be the diehards who will continue to beat a dead horse, and those who will defend fake news and propaganda simply because it serves their agenda or supports their POV. The few who will never admit they're wrong, no matter what, will eventually lose all credibility and fade away. They are typically the ones who accuse innocents of doing exactly the same thing they're doing but will never admit to it. It becomes highly problematic when it takes the form of a majority that targets individuals with opposing views - it's group think run amok - a mobocrasy, not unlike the lynch mobs that were riled emotionally rather than acting pragmatically. We've endured similar under prior presidents and survived, and we will under this one. Time wounds all heels.

A feral tabby

Back on point...I found WaPo's take on it interesting but cautiously noncommittal: "The fact that Mueller isn’t indicting Trump tells us nothing about his conclusions about the president personally. But the fact that none of his campaign aides or advisers are going to be charged with conspiracy does suggest Trump won’t be accused." Too bad they didn't handle the original accusations equally as well. I agree that it's better to wait until it's all out in the open, and the American people are made as fully aware of the circumstances as what our national security allows, but we can't just totally dismiss the obvious. We simply state the facts with strict adherence to NPOV. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:36, 24 March 2019 (UTC) ^{12:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)}

Hmmm...I'm gradually learning who Taibbi is, and the name has nothing to do with cats (not even sure if it's pronounced the same). I maintain my position of adhering closely to WP:RECENTISM and WP:NEWSORG. Wait for it...it's difficult to predict what the future holds.^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Looks like editors' concerns about SPLC were not for naught, either. Some of their allegations of racism have been included in several of our BLPs which need revisiting now that they've been exposed in long overdue articles by NYTimes, and WaPo per the Gazette editorial board article. WP:RSN needs to be updated as well. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Email

I just received an email apparently from you with the message: "Houston, we have a problem." If that is in fact you, please elaborate. If not, we do have a problem. ―Mandruss ☎ 00:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I just changed my password. My apologies - if it was me, I have no recollection of sending it or why I would have sent it. Strange!! If it's any reassurance, I can still smell peanut butter. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Mandruss, was that labeled as having come through the Wikipedia email system?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Berean Hunter: The subject line was: Wikipedia email from user "Atsme". The sender field was: Wikipedia <wiki@wikimedia.org>. And it had the usual epilogue following the message, starting with "This email was sent by user "Atsme" on the English Wikipedia to user "Mandruss". It has been automatically...". ―Mandruss ☎ 01:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I sent all the info to Berean Hunter and have assumed full responsibility. I apologize to you Mandruss - it was neither deliberate, nor my intention to cause you concern. Houston may very well have a problem, but it does not originate with me...(to my knowledge). I have been having issues with my laptop (MacOS) but I don't think I was hacked. If that were the case, the hackers are probably more frustrated than I because hacking a Mac is not fun. My sincerest apologies, and thank you for bringing this to my attention. It doesn't hurt to exercise a measure of caution when things appear to be unusual, as in this case. Let's blame it on Happy Hour, and move on. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

With another compromised account today, I was worried that this may have happened to you. I do not see a compromise however so that isn't a problem after all.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if I should be relieved or concerned. 😂 On a serious note, thank you BH. Your work on WP is very much appreciated...far more than you know...especially your patience in putting up with my random tech quirks and Mac anomalies. Callanecc may recall an emoji (rolling eyes) anomaly I couldn't explain at first, but one we eventually managed to resolve. 😉 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Berean Hunter: At the risk of failing to move on, and purely for my education: If Atsme's account was not compromised, that leaves five possibilities: Someone used Atsme's computer while she was logged in, Atsme did it and had forgotten she did it by 30 minutes later, Atsme did it and is lying about it, 4.) there is some glitch in Wikipedia's email system that causes emails to be delivered so long after they were sent that the sender has understandably forgotten about them, or 5.) the email was a perfect forgery not sent through Wikipedia. Do I have that right? Just curious. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not a liar, so scratch that possibility. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:39, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

In fairness, there's a sixth possibility, that I made the whole thing up. As well as a seventh, that there is some glitch in Yahoo! Mail (Mandruss's email client for WP emails) that causes emails to be delivered so long after they were sent that the sender has understandably forgotten about them. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:47, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Options 4, 5, 6 & 7 are negative based on what I have seen (with minor refactoring of your comment above to indicate 4 & 5). Other possibilities may exist beyond those already mentioned but I don't want to conjecture.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Mandruss, I truly do want to put your mind at ease. I have taken full responsibility for the glitch - be it the result of my stupidity, forgetfullness, an anamoly, senility, or other health issue or computer/software glitch you want to throw into the mix. Ask yourself why I would send you an email containing nothing more than "Houston, we have a problem." I am not known for brevity, so if there truly was a problem, it would have been presented to you in a lengthy paragraph chapter, or novel. If there was a serious personal problem, I would have consulted my family first, and if it was a WP problem...well, when have you known me to not speak up publicly about an issue? Granted, I prefer to avoid controversy and I cannot imagine what controversy I would have consulted you about considering we rarely communicate. It's Sunday, the one day I work hard at being an 😇. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 03:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

You are misinterpreting my comments. I come from a technical background and I have a natural curiosity about all things technical. That's all. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Apologies. My concerns go beyond natural curiosity as it relates to all things. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 03:26, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Some of the possibilities could be eliminated (account hacked, forgery) or confirmed (brain fart, somebody using shared laptop) by Atsme checking her browser history.

There is also possibility #8: Atsme thought she sent the email to a different user but sent it to Mandruss by accident. ~Awilley (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

There is #9 (or is it 10)...aka: "at this point what difference does it make?"--MONGO (talk) 12:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Direction from Venezuela to Bonaire

Moved to Talk:Bonaire

 – Wrong venue.

Please comment on Talk:Otto Warmbier

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Greetings from Wales

The daffodil is the national flower worn on St David's Day (1 March) in Wales. The daffodil may be known as Welsh: cenhinen Bedr (Saint Peter's leek)
I know I'm a week too early, but I hope to put some cheer on your talk.
For what it's worth, I always enjoy your humour. Don't let the B*s*a*d* grind you down!
All the best! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 20:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

❤ to my special new friend. ^Atsme 📣 📧 21:13, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank You!

Hey, thank you very much for considering me worthy enough of the award! I am really grateful and you are really amazing! Your personalized nomination message was really, really wonderful and kind. I would continue to do my best to contribute to Wikipedia. Adityavagarwal (talk) 09:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

There is no one more deserving. ^Atsme 📣 📧 04:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

When adding links to material on external sites, please ensure that the external site is not violating the creator's copyright. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website's operator has created or licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube or Sci-Hub, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Alexbrn (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Alex, I have asked you to NOT COME TO MY TP. You are only 1 of 2 users who are not welcome here, especially now that you've dropped such a ridiculous fallacious warning bomb that smells worse than a pile of fresh 💩. You have spent the past 2 days gaslighting and pounding me with one PA after another and I hope the admins watching my TP will take the proper measures to stop your big boy bullying of this female editor. Just today you said it would be best for me to get a WP:CLUE, but you are actually the one who needs the clues, starting with the following: Pluto Network - watch the video. Scholarly Communication for Researchers, Powered by Researchers If you believe Pluto Network is in violation of copyrights, then do whatever you need to do and stop them, but I have not seen anything that even comes close to a copyvio at their site. One last thing - before you go dropping anymore warnings like this one on any other WP users, you need to pause long enough to take an introspective look and make sure your actions are not subconsciously motivated by a potential COI. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Funny how things have a way of self-correcting: wait for it. It's the free stuff and income equality so many have been advocating for while protesting against capitalism. ^{21:02, 14 April 2019 (UTC)}

Is this who we want to be?

The following quote by Diannaa nearly 7 years ago is filled with insight and compassion, and it certainly struck a cord with me because her words are applicable to more than just the case she addressed. I think they may apply to numerous situations across the entire WP community. May her words ring eternal. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 14:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this thread for a few days and noticed there are quite a few things mentioned here that Pumpkin Sky is being asked to do before he is allowed to return:

• speak to the community
• face the music
• admit his mistakes
• agree to learn to avoid his previous pitfalls
• apologize
• pave the road
• give his opponents a chance to get their ounce of blood or set conditions for his return
• "pay"/"own up"
• address the allegations
• willing to accept the consequences
• work to address all of the issues, both content and conduct-related
• explain Barking Moon's hostility
• seek redemption
• face whatever sanctions
• let people take their pound of flesh
• let people parade his sins out before the world
• let people know he is being punished
• needs to show remorse
• seek absolution

Is that really the kind of community we want to be? Is that really the kind of people we want to be? Or maybe we can trim this list down to things that are actually in line with the way civilised people behave, and are actually relevant to building an encyclopedia. Just my opinion. --Dianna (talk) 8:56 am, 14 April 2012, Saturday (6 years, 10 months, 18 days ago) (UTC−5)

Marxism at its best. — JFG ^talk 14:36, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Capitalism sucks except when compared to everything else....or as Churchill said.--MONGO (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I remember it well. The one blocked for months is my friend, was unblocked a few days later, is blocked now. O happy community. We wrote Franz Kafka together, and it fits so well ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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Replied. And the edit. ∯WBG^converse 16:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Y ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:AFD

An article you created or have contributed to has been nominated for deletion
Click the image for an important message. Like, it's April Fools' Day today, you know? North America1000 09:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC) So...   Keep   on   keepin'   on!    North America1000 09:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Pretty crafty, NA1000. You caught me completely off guard.^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

It worked! I put this together on the fly, sort of a weak layout, but yep, it is what it is. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, Anna Frodesiak...speaking of Articles for Death Deletion, I found this golden bit of information that would be an excellent accompaniment for the prune juice article. You may not give a flying flip about it, but what better day than today to start moving on it? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Beautiful picture

I added a beautiful picture of me to your userpage. You are welcome!--MONGO (talk) 17:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Only a 500 lb. gorilla could get away with that, as you well know. Me thinks maybe you need a shave. Oh, and I'm going to let it sit there until tomorrow...or at least until I can come up with a proper smartass reply. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Some might say it's an April Fools joke, but...its really me! And...I did shave!--MONGO (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this my queue to tell jokes about the Farmer's daughters...?? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Damn...never heard that one told that way. That's funny.--MONGO (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Your AE comment

• [1]. I saw a lot of disputes like that. In Russian society that could be a discussion if "Crimea is ours", etc. This is not at all about "left" and "right" and even not about "politics". This is about two things: (a) moral values of participants in discussion, and (b) purely practical issues (for example, tax laws, state budget or government shutdown affect directly a lot of people). My very best wishes (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Interesting perspective. Thanks for stopping by Mvbw. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to say that your comment was unhelpful. Personally, I do not see "AP2 fiasco" or "hatred" by any contributors. But regardless, if you see a problem (I do not see it), you are expected to suggests a solution, with appropriate justification on appropriate noticeboard. Otherwise, others are going to follow your example [2] and expose themselves to potential sanctions for Wikipedia:Casting aspersions. My very best wishes (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

We all have a POV, and now I know yours. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps this essay will prove more helpful. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I do not think your AE comment had anything to do with my biases. But, yes, I do have a problem with understanding US politics, perhaps because of my background. For example, I understand why Russians "vote" for Putin or Ukrainians will vote for Zelensky. But I can not understand why so many Americans voted (and will vote) for the current president. Even though I do have friends and even relatives who voted for him. My very best wishes (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I doubt some of the people who voted for him even know that answer. It could be generational, or simply frustration with career politicians and lobbyists, and/or the failures of big government on a global scale? There is a wide gap between the needs of suburbanites/ruralites vs urbanites on both coasts which certainly played a role. I also believe public vs private education may have been instrumental as was gender. Check out the demographics/voting profiles at PEW. As a sidebar, I'll just mention that I was a bit dismayed over what I read in a Wikileaked email from Bill Ivey to John Podesta wherein the following statement caught my attention (my bold for emphasis):

Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.

There's also the issue of MSM's 90% negativity which appears to have backfired on them and created a lot of distrust, perhaps more so now after the Mueller investigation found there was no collusion. One last thought - it's hard to convince people that higher taxes = a better life for them (the working middle class), or that government needs to control health care. I imagine Americans have seen how things are going in the UK and Canada. That's all I've got as an explanation at this point. I try not to think too much about politics but when I do, my focus is on NPOV first and foremost, BLP, RS, RECENTISM, NEWSORG, MOS and copy editing, and of course, using common sense to know when to deploy IAR. Hope that helps. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Personally, I could not care less if someone was a celebrity, a professional politician, or even a republican. What matters for me is what kind of person he/she is, and what are the views and ideas by the candidate. Yes, that's a nice chart. It tells that the president has been elected mostly by poorly educated older white men. About health care in US, the problem is the lack of market system (you do not know how much the services cost in different hospitals and can not choose), but surprisingly, Trump administration was working to fix it... Personally, I also do not mind to increasing the taxes. Main problem I think the state budget: they fund war, rather than education, science and technology. My very best wishes (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I've got a ton of Flickr files to upload to Commons, is there an automatic or at least-semi automatic way to do it?

And then just add categories or something.

Or someone being a bit of a weirdo who likes to do it manually, because I sure don't. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, there is a pretty easy way to upload them if they all have the same license. Talk to the Wizard - there is a "share images from Flickr" button on that page. It should be pretty simple. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

So I heard, but I just really can't see it anywhere. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, it's https://tools.wmflabs.org/flickr2commons/#/ apparently. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

How did you get there? Click on this link or does it bring up the link you just added? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The mystery "alternative upload methods" link. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The mobile version is absurdly dysfunctional and horrible and it's bugging me so

And I don't even know where to go about it. Things including but not limited to navboxes not showing up at all (!), talk pages being inaccessible (!!!), block quotes appearing in HUGE FONTS instead of smaller-than-usual fonts in the normal (desktop) version, and more it's all so stupid and annoying for no reason and for I don't know how many years now. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 14:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

You're not alone in that regard. Is there not an option to change to desktop when you scroll down?? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but, you know, people (random users most of all) use it. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

There's a wishlist for WMF somewhere on this site. Maybe one of my tps know the address. I'll try to find it, too but they need to know that while it may work well for casual readers, it's pretty dysfunctional for editors. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

SNAAAAKE!! - start here. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh god, just a quick look at all this bureaucracy was enough to chase me away. What's annoying me most is the issue of completely absurd quotation font size and this should be really quickly fixed by making it even simply the standard font size - not even smaller like on desktop, I don't really care, just not this giant size. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Also just look at for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon wheere I used different quotation styles (different for the "here lies Arthur" that has a larger font) - and compare with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon where just everything is huge without a difference. It's so stupid, why would anyone do it. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Another issue I just though about Talk:Plastic Keys to Paradise - as in my comments there, but I think everyone else who commented (no matter their views or beliefs) will agree on just that the article should be arranged to be completely rewritten or just deleted (not salted, just because it's so damn awful). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Capture screen images of the issues you're encountering on your mobile device and submit them to Village Pump Tech. They may know some workarounds besides switch to desktop view. Oh, and check in your WP Preferences under Gadgets and Beta to make sure you don't have something turned on (or not turned on) that may help. With regards to anything political or religious in nature like the article you referenced above, my suggestion is for you to not even read such articles on WP because you will be tempted to engage. There are so many other areas where your talents are needed. What about the architectural styles during medieval times, and the story/legends behind gargoyles and similar building garnishments? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:15, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not about my preferences, it's about my work looking entirely not as I intended for many many people (maybe most, as apparently most people use mobile, which is not surprising as it's automatically showing up on a phone from a search engine). The Iran keys article - someone needs to entirely rewrite (and rename) it, or it has to be deleted and it's not even going to be controversial. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, Ok so you're saying that changing your preferences has no effect on the way you see your work (not even browser prefs?), so the same applies to others using mobile devices. Hmmm...the developers of my website made it so that the desktop view and mobile view are compatible. I think they succeeded. I imagine WP is using an entirely different markup that makes it more complex in its simplicity and by doing so, it does not allow for compatibility between the two different views. It is my understanding that WMF is working on a cure but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Can you write code? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

No, I mean it's not about me, it's all about randoms watching these articles on their phones. I hoped you'd maybe get them work on fixing the horrid mobile version that was made so awful for just no reason whatsoever. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I understand but it's not that simple to get changes/updates made. You'll be happy to know the techs are working on it but you also saw the multiple layers of bureaucracy we have to peel back in order to get the tools we need. I wish we could make it go faster but having said that...you can spit in one hand, and wish in the other and see which hand fills the fastest. That's just the way it is, I'm afraid. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)