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Where did you get all those "Times of Zambia" articles from 40 years ago? Cheers.--Dribblingod (talk) 09:34, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

From the National Archives of Zambia, an institution which has archived documents of national and cultural interest, and newspapers from early 1930s to date. Take a trip there armed with my list of references, you will find all these newspapers that have been referred to. Cheers to you too.Ace72 (talk) 13:39, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

No need to take a trip. Sent them an email. Cheers.--Dribblingod (talk) 15:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok. There was no internet then so the information had to be obtained from newspapers. Times of Zambia still exists, as does Zambia Daily Mail. But do you think I created all those references? There are places called libraries you know. Anyway, good luck. At least your comments are not as harsh as some other editors. Cheers.

May I come in?

I have followed the preceding exchange with interest and it’s a pity I didn’t happen on it earlier otherwise I would have made a contribution. The only question that I came across was from Dribblingod on my talk page questioning my sources of info under ‘Dubious Sources.’ It was indeed an editing war but I am pleased that there is an explanation for the 107 goals in the article. Some of the comments are however offensive, in particular this unsigned post:

“fuck off with this chitalu fucking monkeys,zambia football,muhahahahahahah,shitest thing i've ever heard,go to suck a dick moron. PFA”

There was also this post

this chitalu and his record are pure jokes,who is chitalu,zambia???pfff,they have a liga?omg,maybe his record is for amateur ones.

Well, to answer some of the questions

• Muchimba did the research. Hack (talk) 09:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC) is right that the editor visited a library and found articles of Chitalu
• Thanks to Hack and Marutimon for pointing out to Dribblingod that Placing a date and publisher on the reference allows it to be verified and that my claims stand. Very insightful too, as to the identity of the editor.
• I believe Dribblingod, mistrusting as always, sent the National Archives an email; to enquire if they have all the old papers and if Muchimba did the research. I am sure they answered an emphatic YES to both questions. Thank God for libraries.
• Muchimba did the research though at that time, the newspapers had not been digitized so he was looking at the actual newspapers of 1972. The next person who will go the archives armed with the list of references will have a far much easier task.

Just to clarify:

• The Zambian league in 1972 was not amateur as people allege but had been in existence from 1962, as were the cup competitions
• Two years later, Zambia reached the final of the African Cup of Nations. Incidentally, Zambia are the current African champions and have 2 silver medals and 3 bronze so it’s not like we are talking about a small, never before heard of country in terms of football.
• All the matches were official except (in the researchers view) for the matches against Maseru United (from Lesotho), and the matches against Sheffield United and Union Espanola
• He also said the Midlands vs Copperbelt matches were a bit hard to classify. They were official matches in that they were organised by the FAZ but were matches involving neither Warriors not the Zambia national team. They competed for what was called the NFL trophy but the midlands were a regional team made up of players from Warriors and other clubs such as Green Buffaloes, City of Lusaka and Kabwe United
• The Charity Shield was an official competition. It is the season-opening fixture similar to the English Community Shield
• The Castle Cup, Challenge Cup and Heinrich Chibuku Cup were all official knockout competitions played over at least 5 rounds, with prize-money for the winners. And yes, the FAZ have vouched for all these matches
• And who came up with the idea that the Chibuku Cup was not official anyway? You may be surprised to know that some countries outside Europe have more than one cup competition.

That said, scans of pages highlighting Chitalu’s exploits are available, with the picture Chitalu holding the ball with ‘107 goals’ on it as a start. and if an email address can be provided to me, I will send the scans SOLELY for the purpose of backing up what has been put in the article. I am pretty sure I have scans of most, if not all of those matches.

Of course I will need your assurance that they will be used only for the intended purpose. At least it will prove that someone went to the library and looked at the old newspapers, that libraries exist, and maybe some people will stop calling us monkeys... and I thought this only happened on European soccer pitches. Regards.

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