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Happy editing! Nardog (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Ciao! Ho visto che hai fatto diverse modifiche migliorative sulle pagine riguardanti la lingua e la fonologia italiane ed hai anche partecipato a diverse discussioni. Vorrei chiedere la tua opinione, ed eventualmente il tuo aiuto, riguardo ad una certa questione ortografica e fonetica, nulla di complicato. Se fossi interessato, come spero, rispondimi sulla mia pagina di discussione. Grazie!

Con piacere. Non mi hai lasciato nessun recapito, ma possiamo parlarne qui.--47.32.20.133 (talk) 22:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Andava bene sulla mia pagina di discussione, ma forse è meglio se scriviamo entrambi in un'unica pagina. Allora, potresti dirmi che cosa pensi nello scenario che vado a presentarti? Riguarda il titolo da dare ad una voce. Il nome è quello di un Italiano, ma potrebbe essere una parola italiana, ed è accentato sulla E. Su un dizionario italiano (per esempio il Dizionario d'ortografia e pronunzia) viene riportato con l'accento acuto, indicando a fianco la relativa pronuncia semichiusa. Su Internet si trovano altri risultati con questa grafia, ma molti altri con l'accento grave, certamente meno rilevanti di un dizionario. Ciò è dovuto sia alla pronuncia locale del nome, con accento diverso dallo standard fiorentino, sia al fatto che visse nell'800 e di solito allora tutti gli accenti finali erano scritti gravi, sia al fatto che sulla nostra tastiera dobbiamo premere "maiuscolo+è" per ottenere "é" e spesso chi digita neanche sa la differenza fra l'uno e l'altro. A tuo parere quale sarebbe il titolo giusto da dare alla voce? Quello con l'accento acuto, riportato dal dizionario ma meno diffuso in rete, o quello con l'accento grave, non corrispondente alla pronuncia toscana ma apparentemente più diffuso? Per favore, fammi sapere la tua opinione. Grazie!

Mi dispiace, ma devo confessare che senza avere le informazioni basilari sul tizio, non so rispondere. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Il tizio è Giuseppe Pitré ([1]): è siciliano e nel dialetto locale viene pronunciato "Giuseppi Pitrè"; molti risultati su Internet lo danno come "Pitrè" ma ce ne sono tanti altri che invece lo riportano in italiano standard come "Pitré". Ora che sono stato più preciso riesci a dirmi qual è la tua opinione al riguardo?

Ora sì. Ovviamente il fiorentino non c'entra -- e il DOP fiorentineggiante può essere sospetto per la pronuncia di un cognome siciliano. Non capisco i motivi per cui Pitré sarebbe italiano standard. Comunque, il cognome va scritto come lo scriveva lui, ed è quasi sicuro che la forma fosse Pitrè. I suoi libri pubblicati durante la sua vita portano il cognome Pitrè ([2]} ([3]), sua figlia sembra adoperare è ([4]), e pare che Pitrè sia molto più comune di Pitré fra gli studiosi. In assenza di indicazioni contrarie, si suppone che la vocale finale sia [ɛ]. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

BTW, it turns out that even the guy who started all the trouble -- and consequently wasted a lot of his and others' time -- re è or é knows that the genuine form is Pitrè: "in Sicily (where Pitré lived) the local pronunciation has only open vowels (/ɛ/ and /ɔ/), so probably Pitré used to pronounce his name /pi'trɛ/ and to sign as "Pitrè". Unfortunately, he also got it into his head that DOP is a sort of phonological bible for all of Italy, as though no other source, not even the trail left by Pitrè himself, could trump their exuberant Florentinizing. Why, I don't know; severe overdose of prescriptivism, perhaps, and/or yearning for an authority to tell him what to do (and in doing it, denigrate both Pitrè and his Palermitano). The issue seems to be settled now. I hope the poor guy learned something from the experience. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 15:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

October 2018

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Welcome!

Thanks, I suppose. You don't say which edits of mine you're referring to, so it's not easy to address the problem. A few weeks ago there was a disruptor called Mosidan (for the nonce; he adopts several names) chasing me around reverting my good-faith legitimate IPA renditions of Italian toponyms, even removing references, and claiming that his versions were consensus when they were not. An editor by the handle of Scrapiron seems to have decided to accept the incorrect versions, so I gave up on trying to help to assure accuracy for Wikipedia in that regard.47.32.20.133 (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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