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Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize information in articles related to Rugby union. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. If you have a passion for rugby union and wish to make Wikipedia the world's foremost reference on rugby union like the rest of our participants then add your name to the list below. Then read the section below labelled How to help. For more information on WikiProjects, please see Wikipedia:WikiProjects and Wikipedia:WikiProject best practices

The current Collaboration of the fortnight is None.
WikiProject on
Rugby Union
Main
Departments
Collaboration
Work Groups
Fijian rugby task force
Guidelines
 Sports portal

Aim and scope edit

The aim of the project is to create a pool of consistent and attractive articles that are easy to find and read.

This project shall create and maintain;

  • the Rugby union category and sub-category structures
  • templates, infoboxes and other tools to help wikipedias display and make better use of content
  • articles related to rugby union

Goals edit

To make Wikipedia the world's foremost reference on rugby union in terms of both quantity and, most of all, quality.

  • Article creation
  • To make finding related articles easier.
  • To raise articles to feature article status.

These perhaps could go on to be sister or child projects. Until there are more members of the rugby union wikiproject, this is not feasible. They may for now be classified as sub projects or unofficial projects. This means they may or may not define their own manual of style and structure for their related articles. If applicable please see related sub project pages.

Parentage edit

This project is a child of WikiProject Rugby. WikiProject Rugby union adopts the WikiProject Rugby's manual of style as its own.

The manual of style shall determine only structure and style of WP-items.

Participants edit

If you wish to become a member, simply add yourself to the bottom of the list of names by editing this page.

Cap Username Team (Club) Team (Nation)
1. DaGizza (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs reside Australia
but support anyone against them!
2. Mdmanser (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs
Eastern Suburbs		 Australia
3. GordyB (talk · contribs) Leeds Tykes England
4. GringoInChile (talk · contribs) Canterbury Crusaders New Zealand
5. Cvene64 (talk · contribs) England
6. Stormie (talk · contribs) Sydney University
Highlanders		 New Zealand
7. Saint-djc (talk · contribs) Northampton Saints England
8. Nelson50 (talk · contribs) Munster Ireland
9. Stabilo_boss (talk · contribs) Leinster
also support Munster in the Heineken Cup.
Used to play for Skerries RFC. underage.		 Ireland
10. Rowlan (talk · contribs) Ulster Rugby
Stade Français
St. Louis Bombers - this is the club I play for		 Ireland
British and Irish Lions
USA
11. Rhion (talk · contribs) Llanelli Scarlets Wales
12. Hamedog (talk · contribs) Canterbury Crusaders New Zealand
13. UrquartXV (talk · contribs) England
14. Retro_junkies (talk · contribs) Border Reivers
Selkirk		 Scotland
15. Lisiate (talk · contribs) Wellington Hurricanes New Zealand
16. Historian (talk · contribs) Glasgow Warriors
NEC Green Rockets
Otago Highlanders
Scotland
Japan
17. Westius (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs
Eastwood		 Australia
18. Grcampbell (talk · contribs) Edinburgh Gunners
Scotland,
France
19. Soundabuser (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs
West Harbour RFC		 Australia
20. GWO (talk · contribs) Crewe and Nantwich RUFC,
Llanelli Scarlets
Referee		 Wales
21. Hoopydink (talk · contribs) University College, Dublin U20's
Boston Irish Wolfhounds		 Ireland
USA
22. Mitch119 (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs Australia
23. Jazzper (talk · contribs) NSW Waratahs
Shore School
Mosman Rugby Union Club		 Australia
24. Kingfisherswift (talk · contribs) Saracens England
25. Arguss (talk · contribs) New Zealand
26. Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Scotland
27. Shudda.nz (talk · contribs) Canterbury Crusaders New Zealand
28. Adam777 (talk · contribs) Waunarlwydd
The Ospreys		 Wales
29. QwentyJ (talk · contribs) Northampton Saints Scotland
30. MarkFGilmore (talk · contribs) Newcastle Falcons England
31. S.ferguson (talk · contribs) Wellington Hurricanes
Johnsonville Rugby Union		 New Zealand
32. Kwekubo (talk · contribs) Blackrock College RFC
Leinster		 Ireland
33. KeithW (talk · contribs) Coventry R.F.C. England
34. Outside Center (talk · contribs) Washington Rugby USA
British and Irish Lions
England
35. Am_rockstar (talk · contribs) Burnaby Lake Rugby Club Canada
36. RugbyUrulez (talk · contribs) Blue Bulls
Bulls (Super 14)		 South Africa
37. ronan.evans (talk · contribs) The Brumbies Australia
Ireland
38. Stitchface (talk · contribs) Biarritz Olympique Pays Basque France

How to help edit

  • Create — The most important thing is information first. If an article has not been written on a topic which has much available information, then write it.
  • Clean up — Many articles, especially when they are first written, can be messy, incomprehensive and even incorrect. You can help by tidying up such articles with respect to what is correct and the wikiproject's guidelines on formatting articles.
  • Feature status — Bringing an article to feature status is an advanced job possibly not suited to a novice wikipedian or novice writer. This requires turning a good article into an article of outstanding excellence.

The above also applies to templates, categories and other wiki items that make finding rugby union information easier.

You can find articles that you like to edit by browsing the rugby union category.

Requested articles edit

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/Requests

To do edit

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/To do

  • We need to move the South African and New Zealand Super 14 teams from (rugby club) to (rugby franchise). They calling them clubs is wrong, they are franchises of their countries rugby boards.--HamedogTalk|@ 12:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

News edit

It's now a featured list! hoopydinkConas tá tú? 02:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Update I've collected all of the information and I'm slowly adding sections to each team's article. I have a rubric, so the articles will all be formatted the same and have the same sections. I also hope to model the Rugby Super League article after the Super 14 article. hoopydinkConas tá tú? 20:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Samegoes for Rugby World Cup qualification - needs a lot of help.Cvene64 07:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Rugby union in the United States is now a blue link, as you can see, but not a very good one. Most of the sections are blank and needs to be heavily edited. I'll be working on it, but it's a big article and could use multiple editors. Hoopydink 04:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • New COTF - Rugby World Cup - sub-pages need the most help. Cvene64 02:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Template:Rugby_Team_infobox applied to Ulster Rugby. Can someone confirm what the away socks and shorts colours are please? --Kwekubo 17:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • AIB League created, though there is very little there at present.GordyB 15:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I have made a fortnightly collabortation which can be found here:Portal:Rugby Union/Collaboration of the fortnight.--HamedogTalk|@ 02:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi. I have started a new category of Users who support a national rugby union team. I hope that will be of interest and useful. --Historian 11:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Whilst tidying up the Springbok's page I moved a description of the 2004 Tri Nations Series to a new page. I also moved data from the Tri Nations Series to the same page. It still needs some work, perhaps somebody could fill in the missing sections?GordyB 10:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Major changes to the history section of Fiji national rugby union team.GordyB 10:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • For some reason the USA, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa Union pages have an automatic redirect to their respective national team pages. This is very annoying as it prevents the creation of separate articles on their governing bodies. Does anybody know how this can be fixed or why it is happening?GordyB 15:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
    • The redirect can be removed but then it leaves a blank article like this. I have done this with Fiji but I think someone will revert the redirect if it stays too long without any content. I don't think we should remove the redirects until with have material to put in its place.GringoInChile 17:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
      • It takes no time at all to make a stub.GordyB 21:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
        • I've worked out how to do it. Thanks. I'll replace the redirects with decent stubs. I've already done the Fiji Rugby Union.GordyB 22:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I started the template Template:National_rugby_team. Feel free to edit it and so on. Forever young 10:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC) - copied from talk page.
  • British and Irish Lions - continues to be a problem due to persistant politicisation by people who do not even like rugby union.GordyB 17:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Seems to have died down.GordyB 10:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC). I've contacted an admin who removed the POV tag, there is no reason for this article to have one other than a couple of individuals not liking the concept of the Lions or the fact that the IRFU refer to themselves as a 'home nation'. This may restart the row.GordyB 21:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • History section added to All Blacks.GordyB 13:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Hello, i know that im the new member, retro_junkies, but why is the powergen cup on the scot_rugby_prem template when it has nothing to do with scottish clubs?
    • Never noticed it before. I've deleted it. I suspect that either the English or Welsh template was used as a model (probably the Welsh one) and somehow it slipped through.GordyB 22:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
      • And that's why it's great that we now have a Scotland fan in the project. Welcome User:Retro_junkies! --Stormie 00:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much!, please find under the the templates, templates for the scots 2nd and 3rd divisons! -- User:Retro_junkies
  • Is anyone out there interested in Sydney club rugby? Have started pages on NSWRU and its comps as well as Suburban rugby. There are over 50 clubs in 'subbies' alone. Would someone (esp anyone with a wider range of Wiki skills than myself) like to help out or give me some tips. Would love to do a template but don't know how. Much appreciated. Soundabuser 01:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    • It'd be nice to get more detail on the clubs at the Tooheys New Cup level first, although I'd never discourage you from doing articles on subbies clubs if you're willing and able to do so. —Stormie 12:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Have just begun pages on each of the remaining Shute Shield/Tooheys New Cup team, they all need plenty of work but its a start Soundabuser 03:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I've started augmenting the Zurich_Premiership page with the final tables but I'm busy at present so have only done two. This data is freely available at various rugby sites (Sporting life, Leicester Tigers) if anyone else has the time. Stuey 26/04/06

General strategy and discussion forums edit

Templates edit

Starting Line-up edit

Infoboxes edit

  • {{Rugby06}} - A list of rugby competitions played in 2006.

Region Templates edit

National Sets of Links edit

Groupings of Nations edit

Other Groupings edit

Note: None for Pacific teams (added GordyB 21:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)), Ireland and Europe as a whole

There is one for European club competitions as a whole {{Rugby European Rugby Cup links}}. It could be expanded to include links to the 6N and national teams in a similar way to SANZAR links.GordyB 17:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I might try that over the weekend. How about adding the Celtic League to it aswell?? We really need to Standardise some of the Templates, but I'm still learning wiki-code, I'm more of a Graphics Man. Stabilo boss 17:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
You really don't need to know wikicode. I think virtually all these templates are cannibalised from each other which is why they have a similar look. If you go to the SANZAR links and edit it, you can copy and paste the code into a word file. Then all you need to do is replace each link with the appropriate European one.GordyB 20:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Added template for Sydney suburban rugby clubs Soundabuser 08:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Just added a template for the six nations {{Six nations}} --Bob 00:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Added template for Rugby Union in Australia Soundabuser 08:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I have merged the {{Eng rugby nat1}} into the {{Eng rugby prem}}, and reformatted the result to be similar to the SANZAR and French templates. I've also moved all the pages using {{Eng rugby nat1}} to use {{Eng rugby prem}}. This makes {{Eng rugby nat1}} redundant, so is there any way to delete it? KeithW 12:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Eng rugby nat1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Bob 17:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Just done the same for Scotland. {{Scot_rugby_2nd}} and {{Scot_rugby_3rd}} are now redundant. They have been merged into {{Scot_rugby_prem}}, and all the pages using them changed to use {{Scot_rugby_prem}}. KeithW 19:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Scot rugby 2nd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. KeithW 20:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Voted on it. --Bob 21:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Scot rugby 3rd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. KeithW 20:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Voted on it. --Bob 21:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Stub templates edit


User page template edit

Wikiproject banner edit

Links to individual national teams edit

  • {{nrut}} - general link, without flags
    • NB: Using this template for New Zealand will result in a redirect, as their article does not follow the standard of "Foo national rugby union team", but is instead at their historic name of All Blacks.
  • {{nrutf}} and {{nrutf2}} - general, with flag to the left and to the right of the country name, respectively
Put an -rt before the template name to see the flag on the right hand side for use in the rugbybox templates. ie. {{ru-rt|FIJ}} - Fiji  

Super 14 team links edit

  • {{ReverseBLUru}} - Works with Reverse in front, so it can be used in rugbybox.

Other edit

Resources edit

Match/player statistics edit

  • RugbyData.com - Provides statistics and records. Can be used to complete data tables such as the international rugby team infobox.
  • Player profiles from 6 nations - Short profiles on every 6N squad player, can be the basis of a stub
  • IRFU player profiles - New, previously the IRFU gave only brief details
  • WRU player profiles - Good profiles
  • RFU player profiles - Need heavy editing as the RFU don't write their profiles in chronological order
  • No SRU equivalent as yet.
  • All Blacks A-Z - stats and brief bios for all All Blacks, past and present. We also have a template (Template:All Blacks) for producing links to player pages there.
  • Springboks Profiles - database, searchable by full or partial surname, of profiles for many past and all present Springboks, including stats and brief bios. We also have a template (Template:Springboks) for producing links to player pages there.
  • Convictcreations.com - A very good read and very up-to-date. Covers all major sports in Australia e.g. Aussie rules, league, union, soccer and cricket. Somewhat biased towards Aussie rules but masses of material.GordyB 22:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Historic edit

Naming Conventions edit

Rugby union shall be written in lower case, such as rugby union, except when starting a sentence, such as in this one.

See the Rugby union discussion page for more information.

Also see wikipedia naming conventions, for naming articles.

Can I add a plea here not to use 'rugby' to mean 'rugby union'. I know that in many countries rugby=rugby union and if league exists then it is called 'league' and almost never refered to as 'rugby'. However this is not universal and in some parts of the world e.g. much of Yorkshire, Lancashire amd Cumbria rugby almost always means 'rugby league'. I have tried to go through both sets of articles 'correcting' this usage. This is very much a bone of contention among English league fans who see it as marginalising rugby league. I can see only a couple of 'correct' usages of 'rugby' for the 15 man code 1) when required to do so by the title of the article - the RWC is the Rugby World Cup; it would be silly to alter this to RUWC 2) talking about 'champagne rugby union' or 'counter-attacking rugby union' is odd.GordyB 17:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Summarise and link edit

Particularly when writing history of rugby union, be careful not to duplicate information. The standard way to deal with possibly duplicate information is to keep one major source of that information and wherever else it is useful, summarise and link to it, in the following manner.

  1. Place the link under the heading of the section you are writing and before any text.
  2. Use {{main}}, like this {{main|Article name here}}. It will appear like this:
    Main article: Article name here
  3. If necessary or relevant, also link to a specific section in the article

You can see an example here.

However, it may be that yours is a complicated subject and for the reader to get the whole picture with as little reading as possible, it is recommended you write light paragraphs that link to the relevant articles in the text.

Referencing edit

When adding information/statistics, particularly regarding popularity, be sure to add a reference, by adding this after it (using Wikipedia as an example:

<ref name=wiki1>{{cite web | publisher=wikipedia.org | title=Main page of Wikipedia | url=http://www.en.wikipedia.org/main| accessdate=1 April | accessyear=2006}}</ref>

  • Not be sure to change all the names, publishers, titles, urls, and access dates to your specific reference.

Then, put a references section at the bottom of the page, but not below the external links. Like this:

==References==

<div style="font-size: 90%"> <references /> </div>

If you are using the same source a few paragraphs later, re-reference like this:

<ref name=wiki1/>

Glossary edit

I find my self starting to use special terms to refer to things on wikipedia. If you do too, add them here so you can use them in discourse. This may facilitate or hamper communication. I guess we'll find out.

WP-item

This term has be coined as a catch-all phrase for 'things' defineable through wikipedia such as articles, templates, categories, infoboxes etc. Pronounced wikipedia item or wiki item?

Below is a complete list of all tests the All Blacks have played, in chronological order.

The All Blacks score is listed first.

Year Date Opposition Venue Attendance Final
score
1903 August 15   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 30,000 22–3
1904 August 13   Great Britain Athletic Park 20,000 9–3
1905 September 2   Australia Tahuna Park 3,000 14–3
1905 November 18   Scotland Inverleith 21,000 12–7
1905 November 25   Ireland Lansdowne Road 12,000 15–0
1905 December 02   England Crystal Palace 45,000 15–0
1905 December 16   Wales Cardiff Arms Park 47,000 0–3
1906 January 1   France Parc des Princes 10,000 38–8
1907 July 20   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 50,000 26–6
1907 August 3   Australia Woolloongabba Ground 17,000 14–5
1907 August 10   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 35,000 5–5
1908 June 10 {{ru|A-W}} Carisbrook 23,000 32–5
1908 June 27 {{ru|A-W}} Athletic Park 10,000 3–3
1908 July 27 {{ru|A-W}} Potter's Park 12,000 29–0
1910 June 25   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 30,000 6–0
1910 June 27   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 8,000 0–11
1910 July 2   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 18,000 28–13
1913 September 6   Australia Athletic Park 5,000 30–5
1913 September 13   Australia Carisbrook 15,000 25–13
1913 September 20   Australia Lancaster Park Unknown 5–16
1913 November 15   United States California Field 10,000 51–3
1914 July 18   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 9,000 5–0
1914 August 1   Australia Woolloongabba Ground 12,000 17–0
1914 August 15   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 5,000 22–7
1921 August 13   South Africa Carisbrook 25,000 13–5
1921 August 27   South Africa Eden Park 40,000 5–9
1921 September 17   South Africa Athletic Park 18,000 0–0
1924 November 1   Ireland Lansdowne Road 25,000 6–0
1924 November 29   Wales Saint Helen's Ground 50,000 19–0
1925 January 3   England Twickenham 60,000 17–11
1925 January 18   France Stade Des Ponts Jumeaux 30,000 30–6
1928 June 30   South Africa Kingsmead 10,000 0–17
1928 July 21   South Africa Ellis Park 38,000 7–6
1928 August 18   South Africa Crusader Ground 18,500 6–11
1928 September 1   South Africa Newlands 23,000 13–5
1929 July 6   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000 8–9
1929 July 20   Australia Exhibition Ground 18,000 9–17
1929 July 27   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 29,000 13–15
1930 June 31 British and Irish Lions Carisbrook 27,000 3–6
1930 July 5 British and Irish Lions Lancaster Park 32,000 13–10
1930 July 26 British and Irish Lions Eden Park 40,000 15–10
1930 August 9 British and Irish Lions Athletic Park 40,000 22–8
1931 September 12   Australia Eden Park 15,000 20–13
1932 July 2   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 30,000 17–22
1932 July 16   Australia Exhibition Ground 15,000 21–3
1932 July 23   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 30,000 21–13
1934 August 11   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000 11–25
1934 August 25   Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 30,000 3–3
1935 November 23   Scotland Murrayfield 60,000 18–8
1935 December 7   Ireland Lansdowne Road 30,000 17–9
1935 December 13   Wales Arms Park 50,000 12–13


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