Template talk:Infobox song contest

website parameter

Should this template have an 'official website' parameter? I had come to the Eurovision 2020 page on the assumption that I would find the official website linked from the infobox, so - based on that entirely unscientific case-study of 1 - perhaps other people are too. By comparison Template:Infobox tournament does have a website parameter. Wittylama 09:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I know that the above comment is over a year old, but I agree that it is useful. If I knew how to I'd add it. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Remove empty headers from infobox?

Hi, I am not very familiar with infobox templates, but is it possible to remove sections if they are empty? For example, in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 article, the participants column is currently emtpy, and it looks like someone forgot to put something in there. So it would be helpful if the header was gone too. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I added it on the sandbox (line 55), is it good? ―JochemvanHees (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done since no one objected. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about interval acts

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision regarding the interval acts field. The thread is Opening & interval acts in the infobox. Thank you. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Add parameters for televote and jury winners?

I think we should add parameters for the televote and the jury winners, to make the result more detailed in all eurovision contests after 2009. ―Mike4992 (talk) 07:51, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I think that would make sense, although I think that if the parameter is added, it should only be used for 2016 onwards; since that was when the jury and televote became split. Talking about jury and televote winners before 2016 makes it look like it's part of the official results somehow. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 08:51, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Merging Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival

Sanremo Music Festival 2021
Dates
Semi-final 1	2 March 2021
Semi-final 2	3 March 2021
Semi-final 3	4 March 2021
Semi-final 4	5 March 2021
Final	6 March 2021
Host
Venue	Teatro Ariston (Sanremo, Liguria, Italy)
Presenter(s)	Amadeus and Fiorello
Musical director	Leonardo De Amicis
Artistic director	Amadeus
Host broadcaster	Rai 1, Rai Radio 2, Rai Italia, Eurovision
Big Artists section
Number of entries	26
Winner	Måneskin "Zitti e buoni"
Newcomers' section
Number of entries	8
Winner	Gaudiano "Polvere da sparo"

I noticed that there was a TfD a while ago that resulted in merging Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival into here, but that merge was never carried out. I have therefore taken the initiative to make a series of edits to Template:Infobox song contest/sandbox implementing this merge. This requires a lot of changes, since this template was clearly only made for Eurovision; I have now made it more versatile as to support any kind of song contest (hopefully). These are the changes I made, which I hope cover everything from the Sanremo infobox:

• Added an |artistic director= parameter.
• Added an |alt= parameter (which is a good idea anyway).
• Added a |competing= parameter. It defaults to countries, but you can set it so that something else is competing (for example, with |competing=artists it will say "Returning artists" instead of "Returning countries").
• Added support for multiple sections that use numbered parameters (like |entries1= instead of |entries=), so that both the Big Artists section and the Newcomers' section can be supported.
• Added various aliases of existing parameters, to make conversion a little easier:
  • |image=, alias of |logo=;
  • |imagesize=, alias of |size=;
  • |broadcaster=, alias of |host=;
  • |orchestra leader=, alias of |musdirector=.
• I have not included the |big artist songs= and |newcomer songs= parameters, since as far as I can tell they are never different from the number of acts, so it seems useless to me. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
• I also decided to not include the |Eurovision process= and |Eurovision entry= parameters, since I feel like it is better to put this in prose anyway than how it is now.

Furthermore, the template documentation should be expanded quite a bit to generalise it also for non-Eurovision contests, and to show which params should be used for which contest. Any feedback on any of this is welcome. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: Thanks very much for initiating this! I definitely support efforts to generalise this template further and to allow it to be used for a wide variety of contests. Many of the above changes would be definitely welcome, particularly for other contests which use orchestras or live music (e.g. Festivali i Këngës), and adding additional aliases is always a good idea to allow diversity of use. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@ImStevan: Hi, I see you've made some changes to the template as well to make it work for the American Song Contest. The changes I made to the sandbox made this template work for any song contest, which I personally think is better. Most of your changes can be accomplished with the |competing= parameter I added, but I thought you made some other good changes as well (such as the qualification round dates), so I merged those with my changes on the sandbox. I'm not so sure about the new nul points parameters though, since that can happen in any of the previous rounds so you'd need one parameter for every round. And also I don't know if it's that noteworthy anyway for the infobox. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: okay, just tell me which template to use and i'll stick to it in the future (for ASC). I just thought the null would be useful depending on the format of the show, considering we have 6 shows, cramming all nulls into a single one could be kinda hard. At the same time, if jull is nearly impossible, we can keep only one just in case. It's just a matter of time. ImStevan (talk) 21:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, with the Eurovision Song Contest, the parameter is currently only used to list the nul points for the final, not the semi-finals. I thought it'd be the same for the American Song Contest, but you're right we'll have to see how the format turns out. With my proposal btw you'd still be using {{Infobox song contest}} except you set |competing=states to make sure it says that states are competing rather than countries.―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: Good idea. I assume the "competing" label can be used for any string data (countries, states, artists) since this is (if i understood correctly) gonna be used for Sanremo aswell? ImStevan (talk) 01:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the idea. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Also it might not be a bad idea to add a null points for semi finals in the esc infobox? Tt usually happens in a semi final once a year in either jury or tele, so it could be useful. ImStevan (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I think you're right, although looking back I haven't been able to find any occurence of nul points in the semi-finals in the past ten years. This is probably because there are fewer countries in the semis so there's a higher chance that you'll get at least 1 point from any given country. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: only if u look at the combined result only, if u take into account jury and tele nulls, that's a diff story ImStevan (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Jochem van Hees, is this ready to go live? Primefac (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, yes it is. The only thing that still needs to be done is replacing the infoboxes in the articles. I'm on a wikibreak rn though, I don't think I have time to do that. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I have started replacing the infoboxes. If someone wants to help, I'd recommend going from the oldest contest to newest, since I'm doing the reverse order. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Order of parameters

Why does "Winning song" come after "Nul points in final" – and indeed why is it at the very bottom of the infobox, coming long after some much less important factoids? --Theurgist (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Theurgist: sorry for only noticing this just now. I think putting the winner above nul points makes sense, but where else would you suggest putting it? I think that putting that section after the hosting info and participants makes sense, and those simply take up quite a bit of space. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: Maybe place that section above the map, and make the map also highlight the winner, so as to reflect both the "Participants" and "Vote" sections.

I think the other sections could be trimmed down. The usually quite long "Opening act" and "Interval act" bits aren't notable enough for the infobox, as those performers are neither organizers nor competitors, but invited guests. Also, "Returning countries" and "Non-returning countries" are too trivial, especially for a contest such as Eurovision where participation is voluntary and not a matter of qualification or something. --Theurgist (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about this infobox

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024 regarding provisional information in the infobox. The thread is Why is it disallowed to inform readers that a country is returning to the contest, after having not participated in the most recent edition.. Thank you. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Heat 5

I tried to edit the template to include a parameter for heat 5 (a new feature in Melodifestivalen 2024) but I only ended up making a mess. Could someone do the job? Thanks in advance! 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 09:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. Just for future reference you have to increase or decrease every field value by one when making a change, not just for the section you are adding to or removing from. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

"As of" in participants section

A while ago I proposed adding a |participants update= parameter to indicate that the info in the participants section is provisional, and a few people said they liked it. I then forgot about it though and didn't actually apply the changes, and now a different solution is being used on Eurovision Song Contest 2024. You can see how it looks in the testcases. Shall I just go ahead and apply the changes anyway? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I prefer this solution over the efn, so I'd definitely support applying this change. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Blue in map

I see that we have incorporated the suggested blue for uncertain countries, but I feel a more pastel shade of blue (closer to the one in the original suggestion) would be a better choice, to me the vibrant colors feel like they signify the country has confirmed something (which they have not in this case) Aleki37 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm indifferent on the color. @ImStevan: did you confirm that "hadn't participated in the past but broadcast the show delayed" wasn't being used before you overwrote it? I can't remember why it exists, but if it's in there, it was likely being used somewhere? Grk1011 (talk) 14:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Grk1011: It was being used in Congratulations: 50 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest but the parameter is defined in the article, so the change to the default writing makes no difference there. @Aleki37: I feel like this color is more neutral as it is darker so it doesn't stick out as much as the pastel blue compared to the darker purple and yellow — IмSтevan ^talk 15:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Made a new parameter for this just in case — IмSтevan ^talk 15:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)