Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024

RTVE broadcasting plans

It has been confirmed that the grand final will also be broadcast on RNE 1 (https://www.escplus.es/eurovision/2024/radio-nacional-de-espana-emitira-en-directo-la-gran-final-del-festival-de-eurovision-2024/ & https://www.rtve.es/television/20240423/nebulossa-se-despiden-espana-antes-viajar-a-eurovision/16072445.shtml)

It has also been confirmed by one of TVE's commentary assistants that the semi-finals will be broadcast on La 1. Also that there will be simulcast as usual with TVE Internacional and La 1 UHD (they broadcast practically in simulcast at times). (https://twitter.com/victorESC_udero/status/1782550794232856693)

Could this information be included? Thanks! Ferx90 (talk) 11:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for the Twitter link. I’ll add it. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 12:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Including streaming platforms of broadcasters?

In past years, the "Broadcasts" section generally does not list the broadcasters' streaming platforms (i.e BBC iPlayer, RaiPlay, RTVE Play) as channels unless they have their own stream for a different purpose than the linear broadcast. Should this stick for this year? Pdhadam (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

What convinced me to make this move was the fact that Yle Areena is indeed mentioned for past editions and I wanted to make the table more consistent. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pdhadam:, @IvanScrooge98: If you ask me adding them just adds unnecessary duplication to some names already listed, BBC iPlayer was listed but not BBC Sounds? I say remove them for those that are just duplicating already listed commentators, but leave them in if a different commentator is listed. -- AxG / ✉  08:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

BBC Sounds was not added because it wasn’t mentioned in sources so far – or at least I had not seen it. What you propose may be a solution though. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 08:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with AxG's proposal. Streaming platforms generally tend to simulcast the terrestrial broadcast anyways, and it's only when there are additional commentary options which are available only on these platforms that we should then consider including them in the tables. I don't believe the footnotes which have been added here provide any additional value to the reader. It seems likely that the vast majority, if not all, of these broadcasters have streaming platforms and will broadcast the contest on these anyway, but only in some cases are they explicitly mentioned within the sources, and adding a footnote for close to two-thirds of the line entries just doesn't strike me as useful to the reader. The best course of action in my opinion is to include any simulcast information on streaming platforms within the individual country articles. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Big Five in the semifinal running orders

The Big Five should be included in the running orders for the semifinals, in a different colour to show that they're not competing but still a part of the show. LivLovisa (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree that they should be included, but a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Tables for semis yielded no consensus for adding them. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 19:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Eurovision 2024 website

Hi guys, this is the official website for eurovision 2024 malmo. Malmo2024.com It's short and easy to remember. Moradber (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Now, that’s a useful shortcut! However, it’s still a redirect to eurovision.tv/event/malmo-2024, which is where the official website is still located—if changing it in the infobox is what you’re suggesting. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah ecaxtly, I means putting malmo2024.com will be more useful for people to easy remember and access (compared to the long url) Moradber (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That doesn’t matter. The official website is located at eurovision.tv/event/malmo-2024, so this is what should be displayed on here. Not a redirect. See Wikipedia:External links#Redirection sites. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine: Suspilne Kultura and Radio Promin will broadcast all shows. Timur Miroshnychenko confirmed as TV commentator

Sources: https://suspilne.media/culture/736995-vse-so-treba-znati-pro-evrobacenna-2024-data-provedenna-pravila-ucasniki/

https://suspilne.media/culture/734871-evrobacenna-2024-de-divitisa-vistup-ukraini-u-persomu-pivfinali-i-ak-golosuvati/ Qcumber (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Norwegian commentators

Marte Stokstad is commentating the NRK1 broadcast, but Jon Marius Hyttebakk will commentate the NRK P1 broadcast: https://www.nrk.no/kultur/slik-folgjer-du-eurovision-song-contest-pa-nrk-1.16865023 Kringlekasting (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

TVE Internacional will broadcast live both semi-finals and the Grand Final of Eurovisión 2024

Source: https://www.escplus.es/eurovision/2024/tve-internacional-retransmitira-en-directo-las-semifinales-y-la-gran-final-de-eurovision-2024/ (In spanish)

Can you add it to the table? Thanks Ferx90 (talk) 14:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

La 1 UHD will also broadcast Semi 2 & Final

The information on broadcasts on La 1 UHD has been updated in the previous article: "In addition, both the second semi-final on 9 May and the grand final on 11 May will be broadcast in simulcast on La 1 UHD, the ultra-high definition version of the channel".

Source: https://www.escplus.es/eurovision/2024/tve-internacional-retransmitira-en-directo-las-semifinales-y-la-gran-final-de-eurovision-2024/ (In spanish)

Can you add it to the table too? Thanks Ferx90 (talk) 19:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Now that’s interesting. HD channels normally have the same exact programming of its regular counterparts, not just part of it, and it would be redundant to add them. This seems peculiar to me but I’m still not sure if we should add it. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I would tend to agree. Given that this channel is essentially a simulcast of the regular channel I don't believe it should be added, in the same way that we don't list every HD channel where the programming is exactly or almost exactly the same. It is however potentially something which might be relevant for inclusion within the Switzerland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

You mean Spain instead of Switzerland, right?

Let me give a small contribution to the topic. Televisión Española has been testing 4K since 2015. On 1 June 2021, it launched "TVE 4K" in two feeds SDR and HDR through DTT free-to-air in test mode and only in some parts of Spain -in some big cities mainly- broadcasting in loop the content they had in native 4K. Starting with the 2022 FIFA World Cup in late 2022, they renamed the channel to "TVE UHD" and began to simulcast in HDR the signal of La 1 (up-scaling the content not in UDH), still in test mode. I had the luck to watch last year's Eurovision (2023) in 4K through it. On 11 February 2024, with the shutdown of SD channels in Spain (now only HD exists) they officially launched "La 1 UHD" as the regular simulcast of La 1 in UHD in all the country, being the first broadcaster who covers it entire territory in UHD in DTT.

And regarding Eurovision, the 2022 contest was the first one produced in 4K, but not even RAI itself was able to broadcast in native 4K, and I have no idea if any other broadcaster was able to do so. I don't know if it's necessary to list all the simulcasts, but 4K broadcast needs to be addressed somehow in the prose of the corresponding articles as an improvement in broadcasting technology, like when color arrived in 1968, or when HD was tested in Athens and was not first broadcast until Helsinki. Ferclopedio (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes I did, although it's clear from the ref that it's the Spanish channel my mind initially went to the Swiss channel of the same name. The 4K broadcast in 2022 is already included in the Broadcasts section of that article; I agree however that potentially it could be placed more prominently within the Production section given the first use and improvements in technology just like the other examples you have stated. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I only realized now that the programming does match the one of La 1, since the other semi is on La 2. My bad. That means it’s not worth listing in the table but may be mentioned elsewhere. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 10:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

The spokesperson for Malta has been announced. It's MATT BLXCK (stage name in caps).

Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/r/WNBHaakN1nfEmJbB/?mibextid=WC7FNe Db90mt (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine: Radio Promin will also broadcast SF1. Radio commentators announced

The first semi-final is added to the schedule on their website: https://ukr.radio/channel.html?channelID=2&progID=696&sliderIndex=87

Although it has been announced by Suspilne that SF1 on Radio Promin will be commentated by Dmytro Zakharchenko and Lesia Antypenko https://eurovision.ua/6198-yevrobachennya-2024-de-dyvytysya-yak-golosuvaty-ta-zirky-u-pershomu-pivfinali/

Qcumber (talk) 02:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Do we need "the inclusion of Israel" paragraph on the top page?

Controversies have their own topic in this article. I don't understand why Israel's participation has to get special mention on the top page. Usually the top page only includes dates, location, and the withdrawing and returning countries. "The inclusion of Israel" should be removed. It is right after Romania's decision to opt-out. What does Romania opting out have to do with "the inclusion of Israel"? Tonyb1989 (talk) 03:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tonyb1989 In normal circumstances such a line would not be included, however Israel's participation this year has generated heaps of media coverage and controversy that it would be unfeasible to leave it out from lead entirely. Other experienced editors may be able to provide further reasoning for this though. Pdhadam (talk) 07:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I would like more reasoning. I understand that Israel's participation has created controversy. But I cannot find other articles where the controversy is mentioned in the top page. So yes, I would like to read more reasoning. Why other controversies are not on the top page on other years? Tonyb1989 (talk) 04:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Cyprus 2nd half

Cyprus is listed as performing in the first half of the final, when they have drawn second half. Please change it. 2A02:8309:2183:7800:60C9:3461:3C15:33FC (talk) 06:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

they never confirm their sources! EUROVOIX made the mistake and they copied it, instead of checking with the official eurovision.tv website first!! amateurs! 87.228.232.98 (talk) 08:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

More information on Eric Saade's keffiyeh

Eric Saade responded to the statement by the EBU with a quite effective response, I suppose it may be relevant information to add to the current section on his performance. Translated roughly, he says that he got the keffiyeh from his father during his youth and it was unimaginable that it would be considered a political symbol one day, and it would be like calling the traditional Swedish 'Dalahästen' a political symbol. He goes on to say the stance/statement by the EBU is plain racism and refers to this years' slogan: United by Music. https://www.svt.se/kultur/har-kuppar-saade-hade-palestinasjal-runt-handen Andthereitis (talk) 07:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Just added Saade's main points in the section. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 12:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Can someone correct the mistake on esc 2024 wiki page? Cyprus is performing inthe 2nd half of the final.

Can someone correct the mistake on esc 2024 wiki page? Cyprus is performing inthe 2nd half of the final. 87.228.232.98 (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-protected edit request on 8 May 2024

Cyprus has drawn 2nd half in the final, not 1st half. This should be fixed accordingly in the ‘Final’ section.

Purpley24 (talk) 08:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 May 2024

CYPRUS IS LISTED AS PERFORMING IN THE 1ST HALF, WHEN THEY HAVE DRAWN TO SING IN THE 2ND HALF. EUROVOIX MADE THE MISTAKE, YOU COPIED IT AND DIDNT BOTHER CONFIRMING WITH THE OFFICIAL EUROVISION.TV WEBPAGE. PLEASE CORRECT IT. AMATEURS 87.228.232.98 (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ^{No need to shout...} ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 May 2024 (2)

ADD: The spokes person for Iceland is Friðrik Ómar Hjörleifsson. Source: https://www.ruv.is/frettir/menning-og-daegurmal/2024-05-08-fridrik-omar-stigakynnir-islands-i-eurovision-412113 Rogunb085 (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine: correction about radio commentators

Despite the announecement in fact Radio Promin broadcast the first semi-final wih TV commentary by Timur Miroshnychenko.

I've provided details and sources (audiorecords of the radio broadcast on Radio Promin website) here: Ukraine in the Eurovision Song Contest#Commentators and spokespersons

I think it's more correct now to mention Miroshnychenko as Radio Promin commentator in Ukraine. Qcumber (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Gosh, what a mess. Thanks for providing the info and source, I’ll add a note in the table. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 09:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-protected edit request on 9 May 2024

During the dress rehearsal, Israel's song got heavily booed. Tons of audience members were also shouting "Free Palestine". Article and video footage: [1]https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/08/israels-eurovision-performance-drowned-boos-free-palestine-chants-20802588/ IkiEneng (talk) 10:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Added to the "Protest actions" section. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Serbian broadcaster

They had 25 mins of the show cut off. This may have caused Poland and Iceland not to qualify. 109.176.113.2 (talk) 11:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This is already present in a note in the "Broadcasts" section. Unless the EBU comments, though, it's not our place to say that the two countries might have gotten less votes for that. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 May 2024

In the participant list, add "VRT" [2] as a broadcaster for Belgium. Belgium has 2 public broadcasting stations affiliated to the European Broadcasting Union. As far as I know the third public broadcaster in Belgium doesn't participate in the Eurovision Song Contest. Sméagol 88 (talk) 13:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

The participating broadcaster this year is RTBF. The two alternate to represent Belgium so next year it's going to be VRT. See Belgium in the Eurovision Song Contest. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 14:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Luxembourg commentary

Hi,

The French-language broadcast on RTL for Luxembourg had a second commentator : Emma Sorgato (The Voice Belgique season 11 winner). Source : https://play.rtl.lu/shows/lb/eurovision/episodes/r/3371381 Best regards, TVESC (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 17:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 May 2024 (2)

As in past years, when some countries broke their qualification strike or qualified to the final after a long time, that was detailed, so in this year case, Ireland’s, Latvia’s and Georgia’s qualification after 6, 7 and 7 years shall be highlighted. 81.0.36.253 (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

belgium's broadcasting interrupted during israel

during isnotreal's performance in the second semi-final, vrt interrupted their broadcasting to just show a black screen with white text that promoted israel's disqualification. this was done as an act of protest and raising awareness about the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. Firsy.mid (talk) 23:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Someone covered this already, but the unions of VRT interrupted the broadcast for Israel's condemnation on human rights and press freedom during the start of the broadcast. It's unknown how long it lasted. Bray0829 (talk) 04:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I watched the VRT broadcast, the same screen was also shown in place of the very end of the credits and the Te Deum at the end of the broadcast. TibeThatGuy (talk) 16:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

“Weaponising antisemitism”

Is it really fair to link to the page on the weaponising of antisemitism for Netenyahu’s claims of antisemitism. Surely it would be better to say that he thinks it’s antisemitism but others have accused him of weaponising it? To link directly to it makes it seem like fact rather than opinion. 94.173.220.20 (talk) 01:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

He brought up antisemitism as a response to human rights protests. Kinda speaks for itself. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 07:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine broadcast update

Broadcasters and commentators in participating countries

Country	Broadcaster	Channel(s)	Show(s)	Commentator(s)	Ref(s)
Ukraine	Suspilne	Suspilne Kultura	Final	TBA 10 May 2024
			All shows	Ukrainian: Timur Miroshnychenko Ukrainian sign language: Tetiana Zhurkova, Inna Petrova, Iryna Skolotova, Yuliia Porplik, Anfisa Boldusieva and Lada Sokoliuk
		Radio Promin		Dmytro Zakharchenko and Lesia Antypenko

Briefly:

• Radio Promin had same pattern of broadcast as during semi-final 1
• Timur Miroshnychenko announced during stream on Suspilne YouTube channel that he will have a co-commentator during the grand-final who will be announced by Suspilne on Friday.

|- Qcumber (talk) 03:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

“Controversies”

This article is only going to be bogged down if it keeps in it a ‘controversies’ section. The whole section is always a POV can of worms over what to include and exclude. This year in particular. I mean the excessive detail, length and cruft included is maddening when it comes to some things and this year is no exception. Plus the use of poor and depreciated sources is frequently done. It’s a shit show to have such a section, no one is ever happy and it just cases edit conflicts. As such this article must not get to be derailed by one it must be eliminated or seriously considered as to what is a controversy and what is not and that is likely to be a tarpit on top of quicksand. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 05:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@PicturePerfect666 I do agree in that the controversies related to Israel in the contest this year should be condensed ASAP in the article, but mass removing them without prior discussion isn't a good move. @IvanScrooge98 has done most of the lifting, so it's a good starting point to discuss with. Pdhadam (talk) 05:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I did condense the section but was reverted without reason by the user you mentioned. Additionally no one user is ‘a good stating point’ as that asserts they have some kind of WP:Ownership, which is a no-no, see also WP:BRD. As I have set out above the section has serious issues and if these can be overcome those I’ll be happy to pare it down but seriously the excessive detail; what was written on banners and graffitied that’s not needed, quote after quote after none of them are needed, the number of protests completely unnecessary. The section and all ‘controversies’ sections are a mess and this is no different. It has strayed in to commentary, bias, and news reporting of the actions of one set of individuals with little regard to encyclopaedic value and content. What the entrants did I can see a value to that, such as the statement and words or symbols removed or included in outfits. Otherwise it’s just being a news outlet and straying from the focus of the article. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 13:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m sorry but this section is the result of months of work of different editors. If I have expanded it significantly in these last few days, it’s because a lot of things are happening one after the other. You can’t Just come and make mass removals. I believe when dust has settled in the next days we will know how to deal more properly. Now, if you could tell me more in detail what sources you have an issue with, we can at least start from there. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The amount of work and number of editors is completely irrelevant. That is an assertion of WP:Ownership, based on well hard work went in. Which is a major no-no of Wikipedia. Also ‘dust settling’ does not mean the issues raised get a hand wave away. Serious issues such as WP:NPOV, WP:Bloat and WP:Deprecated. Tabloid news papers are an example source to avoid, the full list is in a table in the link provided. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 13:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Carola and Charlotte

In the Final section, it lists Carola (Sweden 1991) and Charlotte Perrelli (Sweden 1999) as the performers. Carola should be correctly listed as Carola (Sweden 1983, 1991 & 2006) give her the credit deserved as she's the only woman to have finished top 5 in 3 contests (and 3 different decades). Charlotte represented Sweden in 1999 and 2008. 2A02:8309:2183:7800:6C98:725C:480A:BCC9 (talk) 09:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Their wins supersedes their other participations when it comes to talking about Carola and Charlotte's records, and this also applies to multi-time artists who have won once 2001:EE0:4607:6360:5EF:1EFA:E85A:347B (talk) 10:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine: Vasyl Baidak announced as grand final co-commenator

Source: https://suspilne.media/culture/742875-timur-mirosnicenko-ta-vasil-bajdak-budut-komentuvati-final-evrobacenni-2024/

The article about Vasyl Baidak is avilable only in Ukrainian wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Байдак_Василь_Васильович Qcumber (talk) 10:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)